Alternative Rothschild Thread.

[Searcher08]

I had previously said that I wanted to create a thread which would be a Beginner's Mind approach to the Rothschilds, rather than one connected to conspiracy theories. So if you want to consider those P L E A S E post them in the OTHER Rothschild thread.

I respectfully ask the mods to allow this alternative thread to exist.


Perhaps a good place to start is from a Google search for the word Rothschild itself - the first page of returns appears to be 50% divided between Rothschild family and business interests and 50% far Right / Anti-Semitic sources. I appreciate that Google can personalise results, but it would be interesting to see if other people have similar results.

I had previously posted that on inital glance, the Rothschild family did not appear to have an involvement with the Bilderberg Group, the Council for Foreign Relations or the Trilateral Commission; when I searched the commonly available historical membership lists an interesting point was that the Rothschilds were absent.

Curiously, there was a consistent Rockefeller presence throughout all those organisations.

If we then go to Wikipedia, it seems that the there is a family who have been engaged in banking and finance for several hundred years, since at least the early 18th century. They have been involved in serious winemaking in France and have given their main 'seat' in England to the National Trust (not sure what the US equivalent would be??).

They have been involved in philanthropy for many generations and have donated large amounts of artwork to the nation.

They have had a large role in the creation of a Jewish state, going back to the late nineteenth century, and have been benefactors and supporters of the 19th Zionist project (creating a Jewish homeland in Palestine)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Rothschild,_4th_Baron_Rothschild

I would say that from Wiki, it is reasonable to conclude that:
The Rothschilds are not a 'monolithic' block. They have / have had lots of internal rivalries - which on first look seem to reflect rather upmarket lifestyle but with Dallas / Dynasty forces at work across generations. At times there appear to have been greater cooperation than others. One force that created division was actually the degree of investment risk.

I would also say that it is reasonable to conclude that they are a 'very connected' group of people

- some into Hollywood 'royalty'

-some into the Whitehouse

-some into Russian oligarchs

-some into ecology and complimentary medicine(!)

Results of Wiki browsing indicate a very multi-faceted group of people - contrasting this with the Bush family is an interesting thought experiment - very different indeed.

[American Dream]

I had previously said that I wanted to create a thread which would be a Beginner's Mind approach to the Rothschilds, rather than one connected to conspiracy theories. So if you want to consider those P L E A S E post them in the OTHER Rothschild thread.

So it sounds like you're asking for here verifiable facts about the Rothschild Clan, as opposed to unsubstantiated and/or dubious allegations.

Have I got that right?

[Searcher08]

I had previously said that I wanted to create a thread which would be a Beginner's Mind approach to the Rothschilds, rather than one connected to conspiracy theories. So if you want to consider those P L E A S E post them in the OTHER Rothschild thread.

So it sounds like you're asking for here verifiable facts about the Rothschild Clan, as opposed to unsubstantiated and/or dubious allegations.

Have I got that right?

Pretty much for the first part - information gathering
My hope for this thread is that it can at least start with a firm foundation of that, keep feelings and negativity / allegations elsewhere (in the OTHER thread) and perhaps if the knowledge base is developed, then just explore for a bit.

Get lots of good facts, know that there will be many ways of looking at them, and then discuss.

[Sounder]

He's that Catholic banker guy, right?

[Bruce Dazzling]

Sounder,

Why do you think this thread needs to be a separate entity from this one?

[compared2what?]

I had previously said that I wanted to create a thread which would be a Beginner's Mind approach to the Rothschilds, rather than one connected to conspiracy theories. So if you want to consider those P L E A S E post them in the OTHER Rothschild thread.

I respectfully ask the mods to allow this alternative thread to exist.


Perhaps a good place to start is from a Google search for the word Rothschild itself - the first page of returns appears to be 50% divided between Rothschild family and business interests and 50% far Right / Anti-Semitic sources. I appreciate that Google can personalise results, but it would be interesting to see if other people have similar results.

I had previously posted that on inital glance, the Rothschild family did not appear to have an involvement with the Bilderberg Group, the Council for Foreign Relations or the Trilateral Commission; when I searched the commonly available historical membership lists an interesting point was that the Rothschilds were absent.

Curiously, there was a consistent Rockefeller presence throughout all those organisations.

If we then go to Wikipedia, it seems that the there is a family who have been engaged in banking and finance for several hundred years, since at least the early 18th century. They have been involved in serious winemaking in France and have given their main 'seat' in England to the National Trust (not sure what the US equivalent would be??).

They have been involved in philanthropy for many generations and have donated large amounts of artwork to the nation.

They have had a large role in the creation of a Jewish state, going back to the late nineteenth century, and have been benefactors and supporters of the 19th Zionist project (creating a Jewish homeland in Palestine)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Rothschild,_4th_Baron_Rothschild

I would say that from Wiki, it is reasonable to conclude that:
The Rothschilds are not a 'monolithic' block. They have / have had lots of internal rivalries - which on first look seem to reflect rather upmarket lifestyle but with Dallas / Dynasty forces at work across generations. At times there appear to have been greater cooperation than others. One force that created division was actually the degree of investment risk.

I would also say that it is reasonable to conclude that they are a 'very connected' group of people

- some into Hollywood 'royalty'

-some into the Whitehouse

-some into Russian oligarchs

-some into ecology and complimentary medicine(!)

Results of Wiki browsing indicate a very multi-faceted group of people - contrasting this with the Bush family is an interesting thought experiment - very different indeed.

IOW: About the same as the Khan family or the Guinness family, or the Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg family, or the Thurn und Taxis family, or any other hereditarily wealthy family that can trace its roots back that far or further.

And not so very different from any number of hereditarily wealthy families of somewhat more recent origin -- eg, Niarchos, Vanderbilt, DuPont, Bronfman, Ford, Rockefeller, Whitney, Kennedy, etcetera.

There's really nothing very special about them, as enormously hereditarily wealthy families go.

[Sounder]

I don't think it's fair for you to presume that I would notice or care about that either way.

I also see now that this thread is a different subject anyway.

Do you think that your framing of the subject should have priority Bruce?

Hey you know what, and not to get all huffy or anything like that, but I try to contribute with points of substance and am totally ignored, yet you somehow think it's fine that the one time you condensed to address me you do it with some pin me to the wall bullshit bandwagon request. That is not fine.

You right, I need to get away from the computer.

[Searcher08]

David de Rotshchild
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Mayer_de_Rothschild

Ecology

After leaving Harrow School in 1996 he attended Oxford Brookes receiving a 2:1 B.Sc (Hons) in Political Science and Information Systems. In 2002, de Rothschild studied at the College of Naturopathic Medicine, London where he received an advanced Diploma in Natural Medicine, ND.[5]

By age 20, de Rothschild had started his own music merchandising business and sold it. In 2001 he bought a 1,100 acre organic farm in New Zealand, and was invited to take part in a Polar expedition. This experience turned de Rothschild into an enterprising eco-adventurer.[6]

In 2006, de Rothschild spent over 100 days crossing the Arctic from Russia to Canada, which saw him become one of only 42 people, and the youngest British person, to ever reach both geographical poles. He had already become one of only 14 people ever to traverse the continent of Antarctica, and was part of a team that broke the world record for the fastest ever crossing of the Greenland ice cap.

As part of Adventure Ecology’s ARTiculate series, de Rothschild led a field trip expedition to Ecuador in 2007. The group spent time in the Ecuadorian rain forest, documenting the damage international oil companies had caused by drilling the vast oil reserves.

In March 2010 de Rothschild and a crew of 5 began an expedition to sail across the Pacific on a catamaran partially made from reclaimed post-consumer plastic bottles called the Plastiki.[7] The Plastiki successfully completed its journey to Sydney on 26 July 2010.[8]

In November 2011 de Rothschild and a small crew mounted an expedition to Brazil’s Amazon rainforest as part of the ARTiculate series, with the goal of better understanding and publicizing the effects of the controversial Belo Monte dam project. This expedition was supplemented by articles on Myoo.com and culminated in an art project developed with local children[9]. When asked by Outside Magazine reporter Caty Enders about whether an expedition could make a difference in a pressing issue like the Belo Monte dam de Rothschild replied that "it would be naïve to think that this mini art-based adventure into the Amazon is going to change what has been in motion for the last 36 years. But when you see someone in the road and they’re dying, do you keep walking and say, Oh, they’ll be dead soon? That’s the reality when you embark on an adventure like this, you may never know the true outcome until many years later"[10].
[edit] Plastiki

In the summer of 2010, de Rothschild launched the “Plastiki,” a 60-foot catamaran was built from approx. 12,500 reclaimed plastic bottles and a unique recyclable technology called Seretex. Seretex, which was developed by de Rothschild and his team, was meant to reuse PET in a novel way, finding new uses for a waste product. The Plastiki and its crew sailed over 8,000 nautical miles across the Pacific Ocean from San Francisco to Sydney. Along with the Plastiki de Rothschild launched a platform for community interaction and sharing stories called "Myoo" (the name comes from the pronunciation of "community"). The Plastiki was named one of 2010's fifty best inventions by Time Magazine[11].The Plastiki is named after the Kon Tiki, a raft used by Pacific explorer Thor Heyerdahl[12].

The construction of the ship is notable not only for it's use of recycled plastic bottles as a primary building material, but also using reclaimed and environmentally-friendly materials throughout. In April, 2007 he told Good Morning America: "Every part of the boat, even down to the glue we used to stick the boat together, [it] is a glue we made and had to engineer specifically for this project. It's made of cashew nuts and sugar….every part of the boat - from the interior with reclaimed materials, reclaimed fabric, is all trying to do our best and showcasing there are a lot of solutions out there,"[13].

[slimmouse]

Well as someone , who suggested in a previous thread, that an appropriate name for the Israeli lobby might be Red shield stooges, and given that I cant get intelligent response on that thread, it is my belief that Israel is a Rothschild thiefdom, deliberately created to endure the power of the usual suspects.

A lot of subjectivity here for sure, but to be honest I havent done the years of research of others who make far stronger claims and yet are subsequently castigated (by those who I would suggest know fuckall about the subject )

Heres a quote the "experts" can get busy denying ;

Baron Edmond Benjamin de Rothschild's basic belief was that the Jews of Israel must become financially independent, by choosing a source of income on which they can subsist and thrive. In the early years, the only viable option seemed to be the encouragement of an agricultural society. As such, in the late 19th Century and early 20th Century, the Baron purchased more of the region's land than any other person or organization ever, on which hethe Baron settled new immigrants and allowed them to build their homes and cultivate the lands.

Thats your starter for 10, and we wont go into the foundations and trusts that have been subsequently established just yet

This btw is actually from their own site and is of course the "sanitised" version. We can probably get into the real history of it , if anyone likes to. We wont go into the "coincidence" of Oil discovery in the region at this point, or the Rothschilds involvemnent in the Oil industry at this point ( Oh yes, much to my surprise also, theyre well into that too )

Post 1947 of course, purchases were no longer required. Having set up this land based on pseudo religious claptrap, they then proceeded to steal it from the defenceless with funding and firepower from the usual suspects.

[sunny]

[Bruce Dazzling]

I don't think it's fair for you to presume that I would notice or care about that either way.

I also see now that this thread is a different subject anyway.

Do you think that your framing of the subject should have priority Bruce?

Hey you know what, and not to get all huffy or anything like that, but I try to contribute with points of substance and am totally ignored, yet you somehow think it's fine that the one time you condensed to address me you do it with some pin me to the wall bullshit bandwagon request. That is not fine.

You right, I need to get away from the computer.

I mistakenly addressed my question to you, Sounder, because your screen name is similar to Searcher's. I felt that his thread and mine had very similar goals, but that mine was posted hours earlier. I wanted him to explain how his might be differentiated from mine, and I was going to suggest that we combine the two threads.

I'm addressing the rest of your rather bizarre response via PM.

So anyway, Searcher08, why do you think this thread needs to be a separate entity from this one?

[slimmouse]

David de Rotshchild
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Mayer_de_Rothschild

Ecology

After leaving Harrow School in 1996 he attended Oxford Brookes receiving a 2:1 B.Sc (Hons) in Political Science and Information Systems. In 2002, de Rothschild studied at the College of Naturopathic Medicine, London where he received an advanced Diploma in Natural Medicine, ND.[5]

By age 20, de Rothschild had started his own music merchandising business and sold it. In 2001 he bought a 1,100 acre organic farm in New Zealand, and was invited to take part in a Polar expedition. This experience turned de Rothschild into an enterprising eco-adventurer.[6]

In 2006, de Rothschild spent over 100 days crossing the Arctic from Russia to Canada, which saw him become one of only 42 people, and the youngest British person, to ever reach both geographical poles. He had already become one of only 14 people ever to traverse the continent of Antarctica, and was part of a team that broke the world record for the fastest ever crossing of the Greenland ice cap.

As part of Adventure Ecology’s ARTiculate series, de Rothschild led a field trip expedition to Ecuador in 2007. The group spent time in the Ecuadorian rain forest, documenting the damage international oil companies had caused by drilling the vast oil reserves.

In March 2010 de Rothschild and a crew of 5 began an expedition to sail across the Pacific on a catamaran partially made from reclaimed post-consumer plastic bottles called the Plastiki.[7] The Plastiki successfully completed its journey to Sydney on 26 July 2010.[8]

In November 2011 de Rothschild and a small crew mounted an expedition to Brazil’s Amazon rainforest as part of the ARTiculate series, with the goal of better understanding and publicizing the effects of the controversial Belo Monte dam project. This expedition was supplemented by articles on Myoo.com and culminated in an art project developed with local children[9]. When asked by Outside Magazine reporter Caty Enders about whether an expedition could make a difference in a pressing issue like the Belo Monte dam de Rothschild replied that "it would be naïve to think that this mini art-based adventure into the Amazon is going to change what has been in motion for the last 36 years. But when you see someone in the road and they’re dying, do you keep walking and say, Oh, they’ll be dead soon? That’s the reality when you embark on an adventure like this, you may never know the true outcome until many years later"[10].
[edit] Plastiki

In the summer of 2010, de Rothschild launched the “Plastiki,” a 60-foot catamaran was built from approx. 12,500 reclaimed plastic bottles and a unique recyclable technology called Seretex. Seretex, which was developed by de Rothschild and his team, was meant to reuse PET in a novel way, finding new uses for a waste product. The Plastiki and its crew sailed over 8,000 nautical miles across the Pacific Ocean from San Francisco to Sydney. Along with the Plastiki de Rothschild launched a platform for community interaction and sharing stories called "Myoo" (the name comes from the pronunciation of "community"). The Plastiki was named one of 2010's fifty best inventions by Time Magazine[11].The Plastiki is named after the Kon Tiki, a raft used by Pacific explorer Thor Heyerdahl[12].

The construction of the ship is notable not only for it's use of recycled plastic bottles as a primary building material, but also using reclaimed and environmentally-friendly materials throughout. In April, 2007 he told Good Morning America: "Every part of the boat, even down to the glue we used to stick the boat together, [it] is a glue we made and had to engineer specifically for this project. It's made of cashew nuts and sugar….every part of the boat - from the interior with reclaimed materials, reclaimed fabric, is all trying to do our best and showcasing there are a lot of solutions out there,"[13].

Hey searcher thanks for this, seriously.

We live in eternal hope.

[JackRiddler]

So anyway, Searcher08, why do you think this thread needs to be a separate entity from this one?

Because that one demands facts, not farts.

[seemslikeadream]

I'm gonna register here

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[seemslikeadream]

So anyway, Searcher08, why do you think this thread needs to be a separate entity from this one?

Because that one demands facts, not farts.

well head over there ....if ya can't take your own stink stay out of this thread