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Re: Noam Chomsky

Postby Sounder » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:47 pm

Carry on any old way you need to.


solace, clearly this video was not suitable for you. So of course you have nothing interesting to say.

It would however be interesting to hear from past supporters of Chomsky that are also sensitive to injustices perpetrated by Israel.

I have two of my favorite posters here in mind, but won't name names so the choice is more theirs on whether to respond or not.
All these things will continue as long as coercion remains a central element of our mentality.
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Re: Noam Chomsky

Postby slimmouse » Fri Sep 26, 2014 6:06 am

Many threads around here on Chomsky, so wasnt sure where to drop this, however its Chomsky definitively explained by James Corbett who illustrates as plain as the nose on your face who// what Chomsky is, without any need to try and understand why.

By some distance its the best critique of Noam Ive ever come across. Both the very good and the outright ridiculous. Some of the quotes from the audio recordings are simply classics - at least two references to evidence as "factoids"

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Re: Noam Chomsky

Postby coffin_dodger » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:05 am

^^ thanks for posting that video presentation, Slim - it's a mixture of pleasure (that others are seeing what you have seen) and horror (as you realise the world in which you exist is becoming more and more hostile to your existence) to witness the slow-motion, step-sequenced unravelling of the bullshit in which we have been / are immersed. These gatekeepers are extremely sophisticated until decloaked, but once you've seen them for what they are, they are utterly transparent and laughably crude. :thumbsup
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Re: Noam Chomsky

Postby brekin » Mon May 22, 2017 12:35 pm

Just picked up Tom Wolfe's The Kingdom of Speech and he really goes to town on Chomsky.
Basically, he likens Chomsky's universal grammar as a "just so" story which started as an intellectual fad, became a cult and now an academic religion.
Now Chomsky's entrechnment, influence and dogmatism has sealed linguistics into a field with very little progress because it is stuck in its ideological framework that doesn't allow real science to be considered. Being a darling of the left, a still touring Rolling Stone, as it were, only bolsters his linguistic credentials, which feeds into his political activist rep.
Wolfe basically calls Chomsky (& Darwin earlier in the book in a different vein) poseurs, phonies, theory salesmen, etc.
Of course, it is Wolfe, so it is chatty, idiosyncratic, gossipy, and he's been taking heat for his supposed linguistic ignorance, but it is spicy food for thought.
That is if you can handle the eating of another hero.

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The basis to Chomsky's linguistic theory is rooted in biolinguistics, holding that the principles underlying the structure of language are biologically determined in the human mind and hence genetically transmitted.[167] He therefore argues that all humans share the same underlying linguistic structure, irrespective of sociocultural differences.[168] In adopting this position, Chomsky rejects the radical behaviorist psychology of B. F. Skinner which views the mind as a tabula rasa ("blank slate") and thus treats language as learned behavior.[169] Accordingly, he argues that language is a unique evolutionary development of the human species and is unlike modes of communication used by any other animal species.[170][171] Chomsky's nativist, internalist view of language is consistent with the philosophical school of "rationalism", and is contrasted with the anti-nativist, externalist view of language, which is consistent with the philosophical school of "empiricism".[172][159]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Chomsky

The Kingdom of Speech
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kingdom_of_Speech

The Kingdom of Speech is a critique of Charles Darwin and Noam Chomsky written by Tom Wolfe. The book's criticisms of Chomsky are outlined in an article in Harper's Magazine.[1]

In the book, Wolfe criticises Darwin and his colleagues for taking partial credit from Alfred Wallace for the theory of evolution and ignoring Wallace's later work on the theory. Wolfe then criticises Noam Chomsky for dismissing Daniel Everett, who disputes Chomsky's claim that all languages are based ultimately on a hard-wired mechanism known as the language acquisition device (LAD). Wolfe argues that speech, not evolution, sets humans apart from animals and is responsible for all of humanity's complex achievements.

Critical response[edit]
In The Guardian, Steven Poole criticises Wolfe's whole approach to Darwin and dismisses his suggestion that Darwin had no evidence for his theory of evolution, saying that Darwin 'adduced a lot of evidence at the time, including the geographical distribution of species, comparative anatomy, fossils and the existence of vestigial organs. Today, of course, evolution is observed in real time in the laboratory, among microbes or insects'.[2]

In The Washington Post, Jerry Coyne agrees that Wolfe 'grossly distorts the theory of evolution'. He also notes that 'Everett didn't slay [Chomsky's theory of] universal grammar: Later linguists found that the Pirahã language indeed had recursion (e.g., "I want the same hammock you just showed me"). Finally, the technical notion of "recursion" was never the totality of Chomsky's theory anyway. He highlighted the idea in a brief paper in 2003, but his theory always consisted of operations for merging words into bigger and bigger phrases, something no one disputes.' In concluding his review, Coyne states that 'I'm not sure why Wolfe bears such animus against evolution and the use of evidence rather than bluster to support claims about reality. Perhaps his social conservatism has bred such a discomfort with the implications of modern science - that the universe works by natural rather than supernatural or divine laws - that he's compelled to snicker at one of the foundations of modern science: He's called another one, the big bang, "the nuttiest theory I've ever heard."'[3]

In The Times, Oliver Kamm is equally critical, pointing out that Wolfe doesn't appreciate that Chomsky himself 'is sceptical that the language organ is a product of natural selection' and that, indeed, some 'scholars believe that Chomsky underestimates the explanatory power of evolutionary theory.' [4] Harry Ritchie in The Spectator says 'Wolfe is at his best when describing Chomsky's almost religiously cultish, charismatic hold over linguistics', but that Wolfe's 'version of Chomsky's downfall is as wrong as Chomsky certainly is.'.[5] David Z. Morris's in the Washington Independent points out that Wolfe 'has proven his enduring ability to choose the right moment. Our views of language and human nature are shifting radically and quickly ... The Kingdom of Speech is traversing the right territory' but he then concludes that the book 'is too loose, too glib, and, in a few places, too glaringly flawed.'[6]

In some contrast to these opinions, Peter York in The Sunday Times, claims that the geneticist Steve Jones admires Wolfe's grasp of both the Darwin literature and the "real weaknesses" of Chomsky's view of language origins.[7] While Daniel Everett himself has said Wolfe's book is 'the opinion of someone who has looked carefully at the field for years. Some mistakes are likely his fault. Others are the fault of the field for having been unsuccessful in making itself understandable to the public.' (Although Everett has also tweeted that: 'Chomsky's view of [language] origins is nearly identical to Wolfe's view of evol[ution]. Both simplistic.')[8]

In The Chronicle of Higher Education, Tom Bartlett interviews both Wolfe and Chomsky, and compares and contrasts Wolfe's book with anthropologist Chris Knight's more 'in-depth' investigation, Decoding Chomsky: Science and revolutionary politics. In Bartlett's interview, Chomsky criticises Wolfe saying his 'errors are so extraordinary that it would take an essay to review them.'[9]


The Chomsky Puzzle
Piecing together a celebrity scientist
http://www.chronicle.com/article/The-Ch ... ing/237558
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