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Too Political for TED

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Re: Too Political for TED

Postby barracuda » Thu May 17, 2012 11:53 pm

TED and inequality: The real story

Today TED was subject to a story so misleading it would be funny... except it successfully launched an aggressive online campaign against us.

The National Journal alleged we had censored a talk because we considered the issue of inequality "too hot to handle." The story ignited a firestorm of outrage on Reddit, Huffington Post and elsewhere. We were accused of being cowards. We were in the pay of our corporate partners. We were the despicable puppets of the Republican party.

Here's what actually happened.

At TED this year, an attendee pitched a 3-minute audience talk on inequality. The talk tapped into a really important and timely issue. But it framed the issue in a way that was explicitly partisan. And it included a number of arguments that were unconvincing, even to those of us who supported his overall stance. The audience at TED who heard it live (and who are often accused of being overly enthusiastic about left-leaning ideas) gave it, on average, mediocre ratings.

At TED we post one talk a day on our home page. We're drawing from a pool of 250+ that we record at our own conferences each year and up to 10,000 recorded at the various TEDx events around the world, not to mention our other conference partners. Our policy is to post only talks that are truly special. And we try to steer clear of talks that are bound to descend into the same dismal partisan head-butting people can find every day elsewhere in the media.

We discussed internally and ultimately told the speaker we did not plan to post. He did not react well. He had hired a PR firm to promote the talk to MoveOn and others, and the PR firm warned us that unless we posted he would go to the press and accuse us of censoring him. We again declined and this time I wrote him and tried gently to explain in detail why I thought his talk was flawed.

So he forwarded portions of the private emails to a reporter and the National Journal duly bit on the story. And it was picked up by various other outlets.

And a non-story about a talk not being chosen, because we believed we had better ones, somehow got turned into a scandal about censorship. Which is like saying that if I call the New York Times and they turn down my request to publish an op-ed by me, they're censoring me.

For the record, pretty much everyone at TED, including me, worries a great deal about the issue of rising inequality. We've carried talks on it in the past, like this one from Richard Wilkinson. We'd carry more in the future if someone can find a way of framing the issue that is convincing and avoids being needlessly partisan in tone.

Also, for the record, we have never sought advice from any of our advertisers on what we carry editorially. To anyone who knows how TED operates, or who has observed the noncommercial look and feel of the website, the notion that we would is laughable. We only care about one thing: finding the best speakers and the best ideas we can, and sharing them with the world. For free. I've devoted the rest of my life to doing this, and honestly, it's pretty disheartening to have motives and intentions taken to task so viciously by people who simply don't know the facts.

One takeaway for us is that we're considering at some point posting the full archive from future conferences (somewhere away from the home page). Perhaps this would draw the sting from the accusations of censorship. Here, for starters, is the talk concerned. You can judge for yourself...

No doubt it will now, ironically, get stupendous viewing numbers and spark a magnificent debate, and then the conspiracy theorists will say the whole thing was a set-up!

OK... thanks for listening. Over and out.
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Re: Too Political for TED

Postby Forgetting2 » Fri May 18, 2012 12:45 am

The audience at TED who heard it live (and who are often accused of being overly enthusiastic about left-leaning ideas) gave it, on average, mediocre ratings


Looks like the audience is halfway into giving a standing ovations when the video cuts out.
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Re: Too Political for TED

Postby Project Willow » Fri May 18, 2012 2:10 am

You can't be neutral on a moving train.
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Re: Too Political for TED

Postby Forgetting2 » Fri May 18, 2012 2:45 am

It's unfortunate though that the idea of people having more money to buy more stuff is in there unqualified.

Cryptogon brought up the idea of maximum wage ratios while discussing this, which is interesting.

(I initially typed 'maximum rage ratios.' Hmm.)
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Re: Too Political for TED

Postby JackRiddler » Fri May 18, 2012 2:49 am

Wow. I read the TED statement first and wondered if they were being unfairly pilloried. Then I watched the video.

Yep, too political. This is open and shut. There's nothing "partisan" in what he said. The problem is that it's too true and too simply so. Also, he gets a standing ovation at the end, no question.
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Re: Too Political for TED

Postby Forgetting2 » Fri May 18, 2012 3:08 am

Does look like at least half the audience is going for the standing O. Also sounds like an audio edit at 4:15. Probably just to cut out some applause :shrug:
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Re: Too Political for TED

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Fri May 18, 2012 3:44 am

TED is a spook project to co-opt intelligentsia begun in 1984 under the Reagan psyops-era that gave us the National Endowment for Democracy.

An offshoot of the CIA's Aspen Institute -type strategy of targeting economically influential demographics to herd them into safe harbors.

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Re: Too Political for TED

Postby gnosticheresy_2 » Fri May 18, 2012 4:31 am

Forgetting2 wrote:It's unfortunate though that the idea of people having more money to buy more stuff is in there unqualified.

Cryptogon brought up the idea of maximum wage ratios while discussing this, which is interesting.

(I initially typed 'maximum rage ratios.' Hmm.)


I'd thought about this before, maximum compensation ratios coupled with compulsory employee ownership (i.e. every employee is an equal shareholder in the company, regardless of rank). That way you don't have to have the state interfering but it stops the psychopaths and sociopaths having too much influence.
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Re: Too Political for TED

Postby crikkett » Fri May 18, 2012 8:58 am

I wanted to give him a standing O. The video did seem to be cut to remove applause at 4:15. Great Talk.
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Re: Too Political for TED

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Fri May 18, 2012 10:54 am

Been holding my tongue because I want to see how people in the media (esp. Greenwald & AJ - I'm addicted to LULZ!) interpreted the roots and funding of the TED system. Seeing Hugh's synthesis was predictable and thus less entertaining. It's quite a tangle, and Wurman is a fascinating thinker, too. (Also, Anderson's childhood is spook-tastic.)

But...there's so many vested interests tangled up at the TED/Davos level that pretty much any narrative you want to prove...the evidence is there for it.

In related news, that's boring and pedantic "Reality is Complex" meta-post #32,118 from yours truly and my weekly quota is now filled.
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Re: Too Political for TED

Postby Searcher08 » Fri May 18, 2012 5:02 pm

Wombaticus Rex wrote:Been holding my tongue because I want to see how people in the media (esp. Greenwald & AJ - I'm addicted to LULZ!) interpreted the roots and funding of the TED system. Seeing Hugh's synthesis was predictable and thus less entertaining. It's quite a tangle, and Wurman is a fascinating thinker, too. (Also, Anderson's childhood is spook-tastic.)

But...there's so many vested interests tangled up at the TED/Davos level that pretty much any narrative you want to prove...the evidence is there for it.

In related news, that's boring and pedantic "Reality is Complex" meta-post #32,118 from yours truly and my weekly quota is now filled.


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You read the bolded text and spend ten minutes looking through the front page, then searching R.I. for an decidedly exciting sounding and non-boring post by Wombaticus Rex called "Reality is Complex" \<] :mrgreen:
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Re: Too Political for TED

Postby Simulist » Fri May 18, 2012 5:18 pm

JackRiddler wrote:Wow. I read the TED statement first and wondered if they were being unfairly pilloried. Then I watched the video.

Yep, too political. This is open and shut. There's nothing "partisan" in what he said. The problem is that it's too true and too simply so. Also, he gets a standing ovation at the end, no question.

I had the same experience: I read the TED statement first, also.

But, after watching the video, I see clearly that you're absolutely right: "The problem is that it's too true and too simply so."
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Re: Too Political for TED

Postby Searcher08 » Fri May 18, 2012 6:47 pm

Simulist wrote:
JackRiddler wrote:Wow. I read the TED statement first and wondered if they were being unfairly pilloried. Then I watched the video.

Yep, too political. This is open and shut. There's nothing "partisan" in what he said. The problem is that it's too true and too simply so. Also, he gets a standing ovation at the end, no question.

I had the same experience: I read the TED statement first, also.

But, after watching the video, I see clearly that you're absolutely right: "The problem is that it's too true and too simply so."


I really enjoyed his talk and thought in delivery and content it was fine - there have certainly been TED talks much worse. From my calibration of TED talks end applause (which obviously take place in a wide range of venues with varying sound conditions, ) it received a pretty average response. Few TED talks I have seen have panned back to the audience after completion

However, there are two TEDs which I contend are far far better.

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Re: Too Political for TED

Postby 8bitagent » Fri May 18, 2012 10:09 pm

TED to me is just part of the smarmy "safe" mainstream establishment left, ala MSNBC, Facebook, Google, etc. The sort that will slather Clooney's Obama campaign dinners with money yet
scoff at anti war or pro Bradley Manning type people. It's part of the more popular mainstream college nerd collective. Bush is bad, but Obama is good. Things are ok, technology is mostly for good...safe safe safe. This is the world where Colbert and Mahr is "edgy". As is Dailykos, Crooksandliar, Huffpo and all the other yawn inducing rags.

I think it's curious people like Jeremy Scahill for example, are let anywhere near establishment wonks like MSNBC.
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