The Mali situation

Moderators: Elvis, DrVolin, Jeff

The Mali situation

Postby Ben D » Tue May 22, 2012 2:31 am

Interesting to see that US troops have been introduced to the situation,...

Fighting in Mali Adds Chaos to Troubled African Region

DER SPIEGEL By Horand Knaup 05/11/2012

The military coup and ensuing fighting in Mali has resulted in the deterioration of an already bad situation in Africa's Sahel region. Islamist extremists have gained the upper hand in northern Mali and now control Timbuktu. Al-Qaida and other militant groups now have free reign across vast swaths of Africa.

Image
Armored vehicles rumbled through the deserted streets of Bamako, Mali, last week, while the rattle of fire from assault rifles could be heard coming from the western part of the capital, especially around the presidential guard's barracks and in the city's slums.

It was the most recent battle between troops loyal to Mali's former government and those who seized power in a March coup. Acting Prime Minister Cheick Modibo Diarra decried this "attempt to destabilize our country" and the "foreign elements" and "dark powers" he says are pulling the strings in the rebellion.
Heads of state from the Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS) met last week for an emergency summit, as Mali, long considered a model of democracy in the region, descended into chaos. Two thirds of this desert country are out of government control, and even in Bamako, coup leaders are only keeping their grip with great effort.

Mali is not the only country where tensions are boiling over; the situation is much the same in many parts of the region. Tuareg rebels have declared their own state, Azawad, in the northern part of Mali, which has also been invaded by Ansar Dine, an Islamist group that works closely with an organization known as al-Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM). Entire swaths of land are ruled by gangs who make millions by taking hostages and smuggling drugs and weapons. It's often difficult to tell here exactly who are Tuaregs, who are terrorists or who are merely gangsters.

Algerian Prime Minister Ahmed Ouyahia has called the situation "very, very worrying." Mhand Berkouk, director of the Echaab Center for Strategic Studies, in Algiers, fears an "Afghanization of the entire Sahel region." Berkouk believes Azawad could become a base for terrorists from around the world.

Ungovernable

That same fear drove the Malian soldiers who carried out the March 21 coup against the country's president of many years, Amadou Touré. The soldiers, led by Captain Amadou Sanogo, rebelled in the hope of improving their desperate situation in the fight against the Tuareg, accusing President Touré of "incompetence in the fight against Islamic terror."

Thus far, however, coup leaders have achieved precisely the opposite of what they had hoped. Just days after Touré was ousted, Tuareg and Ansar Dine fighters rolled into Gao and Timbuktu, black Islamist flags flying from their all-terrain vehicles, and now control those cities completely. Overnight, the withdrawal of government authority in Mali has rendered ungovernable an area four times the size of France, spread across the Sahara Desert and the Sahel zone. Islamist groups now move nearly unchallenged across a territory that stretches from Tindouf in western Algeria to the border between Libya and Chad in the east, and into the northern part of Nigeria to the south.

These groups move weapons and drugs, take hostages and plan attacks. In February 2011, they attempted to bomb Mauritanian President Mohamed Ould Abdel Aziz out of their way with over a ton of explosives. They kidnapped two Canadians in Niger and also tried to abduct a German diplomat in Nouakchott, Mauritania.

At the moment, it's impossible to say how the new state of Azawad plans to assert itself, or who exactly will rule there: the al-Qaida supporters, who immediately declared Sharia law to be the legal basis for the state of Azawad? Or the secular Tuareg, who have gathered under the banner of the National Movement for the Liberation of Azawad (MNLA)? And what of the splinter group known as the Movement for Unity and Jihad in West Africa (MUJAO), which specializes in kidnappings and is currently holding at least 10 hostages?

The chaos in the northern part of the country, the rebels' advance, the ousting of President Touré -- none of this came as a great surprise to Western diplomats and intelligence services. US embassy documents released by Wikileaks in the fall of 2010 revealed just what a hopeless battle Mali's army was fighting within its own country.

Two Pick-Ups and a Minivan

In these documents, American diplomats described an attack by al-Qaida fighters against Malian soldiers on July 4, 2009, which turned into a debacle for the army. Six days after the deadly ambush of Malian military forces by fighters from al-Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM), there remains uncertainty concerning the exact number of soldiers involved and casualties sustained by government forces," the Americans reported. Having suffered its greatest casualties since 1991, the Malian military suspended patrols in the area of the battle, temporarily withdrawing its forces to the relative safety of Timbuktu." The enemy was far better equipped and more mobile, the diplomats added.

Soon after, American soldiers visited a military base in northeastern Mali and found "a woeful shortage of basic supplies and logistical support." Around half of the base's soldiers were deployed to fight al-Qaida, the Americans reported, and the remaining half had just "three operational vehicles, including two pick-up trucks and one minivan," while the soldiers' weapons dated "from the 1960s."

The US military sent money and supplies, as well as an elite group of US Army soldiers from Colorado, who spent five weeks training the members of a Malian special forces unit. While there, the American soldiers learned something astonishing: "When the survivors of the July 4 ambush were asked why they had left behind so many vehicles to be captured by AQIM, they said the drivers had been killed and no one else in the unit knew how to drive. When asked why they had not used a heavy machine gun, they answered that the gunner who knew how to operate the weapon had also been killed, and he was the only one who knew what to do."

The Americans' intervention has failed to reverse the course of this disaster in the sand. Morale among the Malian soldiers is wretched, and the Tuareg fighters now have heavy weaponry they were able to obtain during the turmoil of the Libyan civil war last year. This includes missile launchers, armored vehicles and, it is said, anti-aircraft missiles as well.

'Down with Democracy!'

A military defeat in Mali is not the only failure at hand. There is far more at stake. What began in North Africa in late 2010 as the Arab Spring, spurred on by a great deal of support in the West, has created new extremes in many parts of the Muslim world.

In the Sahara especially, the calls for democracy and freedom, and the demands for the people to have a voice in decision-making, have met with resistance. Fundamentalists here have begun to reorganize. They're fighting for influence in southern Libya, and in March, a suicide bomber blew himself up in front of a police station in Tamanrasset in southern Algeria, a city that had long been peaceful. Soon after, fundamentalist women took to the streets in Nouakchott, Mauritania, for the first time in that country's history. But the women weren't marching for equality. "Down with democracy!" they chanted. "Introduce Sharia!"

NATO saved Benghazi, Libya, but in exchange lost Timbuktu, Mali, says Gregory Mann, a history professor at Columbia University in New York who is a specialist in the Sahel region.

The government's weakness is one reason for the instability in the region, UN analysts say, and new, profitable lines of business here are another: Where cigarette smugglers once slipped through the desert, now they funnel 50 to 60 metric tons of cocaine, valued at up to $10 billion (€8 billion), through the Sahara each year, bound for Europe.

In one known example, a Boeing 727 landed on a makeshift runway in the middle of the desert north of Gao in November 2009, and mere minutes later, helpers started unloading several tons of cocaine into waiting 4x4 vehicles. They then set fire to the airplane, which had taken off in Venezuela before suddenly disappearing from radar screens.

Impossible to Pinpoint

Kidnapping is the other lucrative trade plied by al-Qaida terrorists and extremists in the region. Currently, a dozen Western hostages and 7 Algerian hostages are being held. These gangs are believed to have taken in over €100 million in ransom so far, and MUJAO kidnappers are now demanding €30 million for the return of one Spanish and one Italian hostage. The kidnappers are familiar with the territory and highly mobile, capable of moving their hostages 1,000 or 2,000 kilometers at a time, at night if necessary. They get their bearings from rocks and dunes, keeping their satellite phones switched off and making it impossible to pinpoint the location of such convoys.

A German civil engineer is also presumed held by al-Qaida, after being abducted from Kano, Nigeria, in late January. Not until late March did his family receive proof that he was alive -- a video in which the exhausted prisoner begged the German government to save his life.
Most of these hostages are believed to be held in the area around Taoudenni, located in Mali's far north near the borders with Mauritania and Algeria. There are few water sources in this rocky desert region, and temperatures can reach 50 degrees Celsius (120 degrees Fahrenheit) in the shade.

ECOWAS leaders now want to send troops into this Tuareg region, but it would be a suicide mission, with the opponents holding too great an advantage. They know the desert better than almost anyone, and likely possess better weaponry as well. Gregory Mann, the West African history professor, is skeptical about whether it will be possible to save the region. "It will be a long road back -- for the North, for all of Mali, but also for the idea of representative and inclusive government," he says.

Translated from the German by Ella Ornstein
There is That which was not born, nor created, nor evolved. If it were not so, there would never be any refuge from being born, or created, or evolving. That is the end of suffering. That is God**.

** or Nirvana, Allah, Brahman, Tao, etc...
User avatar
Ben D
 
Posts: 2005
Joined: Sun Aug 12, 2007 8:10 pm
Location: Australia
Blog: View Blog (3)

Re: The Mali situation

Postby Ben D » Sat Jan 12, 2013 2:35 am

France launches air strikes on Mali

guardian.co.uk, Friday 11 January 2013 19.37 GMT

President François Hollande responds to advance south by Islamist rebels by sending armed forces to aid Malian troops

French troops have begun military operations including air strikes in Mali to contain Islamist groups which are continuing to clash with the army in a fight for control of the desert north of the west African country.

François Hollande announced on Friday night that French armed forces had gone to the aid of Malian troops on the ground during the afternoon. The French president said Mali was facing a "terrorist aggression" of which "the whole world now knows its brutality and fanaticism".

The foreign minister, Laurent Fabius, said France's air force carried out an air strike in Mali on Friday as it supported government forces.

Al-Qaida-linked groups seized the northern two-thirds of Mali last April, a month after a military coup that followed the army's desertion of a military campaign against Tuareg and Islamist rebels. Western powers fear militants could use the vast desert in the former French colony as a launchpad for international attacks.

France said it was acting with the backing of west African states. It had responded to an appeal for military assistance from Mali's embattled interim president, Dioncounda Traoré, after Islamists seized the town of Konna in the centre of the country, about 375 miles north-east of the capital, Bamako, on Thursday.

On Friday night a defence ministry official said the Malian army had retaken control of Konna. "The Malian army has retaken Konna with the help of our military partners. We are there now," Lieutenant Colonel Diaran Kone told Reuters, adding that the army was mopping up Islamist fighters in the surrounding area.

Hollande said recent UN security council resolutions provided the legal framework for him to respond to the request.

The very existence of the "friendly" state of Mali was under threat as well as the security of its population and that of 6,000 French expatriates, Hollande warned.

The military operation would last "as long as necessary", he said. The French parliament will debate the move on Monday.

Hollande added: "Terrorists must know that France will always be there when it's a question, not of its fundamental interests, but of the rights of the Malian population to live freely and in democracy."

Late last year, the 15 countries in west Africa, including Mali, agreed on a proposal for the military to take back the north, and sought backing from the United Nations. The UN security council authorised the intervention but imposed certain conditions. These include training for Mali's military, which has been accused of serious human rights abuses since the coup.

Traoré used a live televised address on Friday night to announce a state of emergency for the next 10 days, and called on mining companies and non-governmental bodies to donate trucks to the military effort.



There is That which was not born, nor created, nor evolved. If it were not so, there would never be any refuge from being born, or created, or evolving. That is the end of suffering. That is God**.

** or Nirvana, Allah, Brahman, Tao, etc...
User avatar
Ben D
 
Posts: 2005
Joined: Sun Aug 12, 2007 8:10 pm
Location: Australia
Blog: View Blog (3)

Re: The Mali situation

Postby wintler2 » Sun Jan 13, 2013 4:16 am

US troops have been there some time..
Three Prostitutes Were Involved In That Fatal US Army Car Crash In Mali

A mysterious April 20 car crash in Mali led to the deaths of three U.S. Special Operations forces and three Moroccan prostitutes traveling with the commandos, reports Craig Whitlock of the Washington Post.

The incident is odd since the U.S. suspended military and humanitarian work there in late March after the Malian president was overthrown in a military coup, and the Obama administration has not publicly acknowledged the clandestine intelligence operations in which the men were seemingly involved.


Celebrating a successful coup, perhaps?

Mali is 3rd biggest gold producer in Africa, has phosphate and lithium deposits, and theres supposedly some oil in the Taoudeni basin in north, but damn (Tuareg) peasants have been holding up Progress.
Globalsecurity.org Mali's northern deserts remain impoverished and underdeveloped. Growing desertification has made herding and farming difficult. Kidnappings and insecurity have killed off tourism, which was a key industry for the Tuareg in recent decades. Insecurity has also prevented exploration of potential oil, gas and mineral deposits.

Oil exploration started in 2005, by Aus company Baraka Petroleum.
Last edited by wintler2 on Sun Jan 13, 2013 4:23 am, edited 1 time in total.
"Wintler2, you are a disgusting example of a human being, the worst kind in existence on God's Earth. This is not just my personal judgement.." BenD

Research question: are all god botherers authoritarians?
User avatar
wintler2
 
Posts: 2884
Joined: Sun Nov 12, 2006 3:43 am
Location: Inland SE Aus.
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: The Mali situation

Postby wintler2 » Sun Jan 13, 2013 4:21 am

From US State Dept / cablegate, thanks wikileaks!

8 May 2006
http://www.cablegatesearch.net/cable.php?id=06BAMAKO520

One and a half years after oil and gas exploration in northern Mali resumed, those searching for &black gold8 may be on the brink of success.

To date, the Malian government has opened approximately 700,000 square kilometers of land to oil prospecting. Recent estimates by Australian-owned Baraka Petroleum, which leads the race for Malian oil, suggest that oil may be flowing by the barrel from Mali no later than 2008.

For landlocked and poverty-stricken Mali, oil reserves could mean a considerable economic boost. With oil prospecting centered on Mali's politically fragile northern regions, many see a real opportunity for economic diversification, development and growth. At the same time, however, some have serious doubts about the economic viability of extracting oil and gas from Mali's isolated North and further fear that the discovery of oil could upset the already delicate balance between Mali's central government and the Tuareg populations of the North.


No oil produced yet, and nobody is publicly claiming proven reserves. But with possession so uncertain, why would you?
"Wintler2, you are a disgusting example of a human being, the worst kind in existence on God's Earth. This is not just my personal judgement.." BenD

Research question: are all god botherers authoritarians?
User avatar
wintler2
 
Posts: 2884
Joined: Sun Nov 12, 2006 3:43 am
Location: Inland SE Aus.
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: The Mali situation

Postby wintler2 » Sun Jan 13, 2013 6:44 am

.. The soldiers, led by Captain Amadou Sanogo, rebelled in the hope of improving their desperate situation in the fight against the Tuareg, accusing President Touré of "incompetence in the fight against Islamic terror."


In an interview with a Malian newspaper, Sanogo said he began his army career as an enlisted man, attending training at the US Marine Corps base in Quantico, Virginia, before receiving infantry and English language training at Fort Benning, Georgia. He subsequently was promoted to the rank of lieutenant and attended further US-based training.
http://thinkafricapress.com/mali/captai ... -name-coup
"Wintler2, you are a disgusting example of a human being, the worst kind in existence on God's Earth. This is not just my personal judgement.." BenD

Research question: are all god botherers authoritarians?
User avatar
wintler2
 
Posts: 2884
Joined: Sun Nov 12, 2006 3:43 am
Location: Inland SE Aus.
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: The Mali situation

Postby 8bitagent » Sun Jan 13, 2013 8:53 am

When will jihadis learn they're absolutely nothing but thoroughly controlled and manipulated wind up toys for the very "Satanic" echelon they claim to be fighting against?

Oh, need a pretext to invade, strip land, topple a dictator, go to war, take away rights? Just pull back some jihadis and watch em' go!
"Do you know who I am? I am the arm, and I sound like this..."-man from another place, twin peaks fire walk with me
User avatar
8bitagent
 
Posts: 12244
Joined: Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:49 am
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: The Mali situation

Postby wintler2 » Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:30 pm

Now the French have troops on the ground fighting the 'terrorists' and the Brits have sent bombers, but the US special forces which we know are there aren't getting a mention, for some reason. Maybe Obama doesn't want the grunts to know how close their next war is.
At least the 'terrorists' know what they're fighting about..
Islamists take foreign hostages in attack on Algerian oil field
"Wintler2, you are a disgusting example of a human being, the worst kind in existence on God's Earth. This is not just my personal judgement.." BenD

Research question: are all god botherers authoritarians?
User avatar
wintler2
 
Posts: 2884
Joined: Sun Nov 12, 2006 3:43 am
Location: Inland SE Aus.
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: The Mali situation

Postby Ben D » Wed Jan 16, 2013 7:05 pm

‘Mali’ Islamists kill 3, take 41 hostage in Algeria

Edited: 17 January, 2013

Islamists claiming to come from Mali killed three foreigners and are holding 41 more hostage after a raid on a compound near an Algerian gas field. The attack is reportedly in retaliation to the ongoing French military campaign in Mali.

A group of several dozen heavily armed Islamic militants have reportedly repelled an attempt by the Algerian army to raid the facility where the hostages are being held. The soldiers were forced to retreat after an exchange of fire, Mauritania's ANI news agency reported citing a source in the al Qaeda-affiliated group.

The source added that besides light weapons the militants are armed with mortars and anti-aircraft missiles.
The terrorist group using three vehicles launched an early morning attack against a base owned by Sontrach, the Algerian national oil company.

A Briton and an Algerian security guard were killed and seven people were injured in the assault, including two foreigners, Algeria's official APS news agency said. A French national was also killed in the attack, Reuters cites a local source as saying.

The Foreign Office in London said it could not confirm that a Briton had been killed, only that “British Nationals ”were caught up in an "ongoing terrorist incident."

"Forty-one westerners including seven Americans, French, British and Japanese citizens have been taken hostage," a spokesman for the Islamists told the Mauritanian News Agency and Sahara Media.


There is That which was not born, nor created, nor evolved. If it were not so, there would never be any refuge from being born, or created, or evolving. That is the end of suffering. That is God**.

** or Nirvana, Allah, Brahman, Tao, etc...
User avatar
Ben D
 
Posts: 2005
Joined: Sun Aug 12, 2007 8:10 pm
Location: Australia
Blog: View Blog (3)

Re: The Mali situation

Postby Ben D » Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:47 am

Since US troops have already been involved in Mali with White House approval, it would seem that this disagreement can only concern the degree of 'aggressive' action desired by the Pentagon.

White House, Pentagon 'disagree over Mali

From: AAP January 19, 2013 5:08PM

THE White House and the US Defense Department are at odds over the danger posed by radical Islamic groups that have taken control of parts of Mali and are stirring up trouble in other parts of West Africa, The Los Angeles Times has reported.

Citing unnamed US officials, the newspaper said the events in Mali and neighbouring Algeria have prompted sharp debate within President Barack Obama's administration over whether these radicals present enough of a risk to warrant a military response.

Islamist militants associated with al-Qaeda have seized control of a significant part of northern Mali, prompting France to launch a military operation there a week ago to prevent the rebels from capturing Bamako, the capital.

French Defence Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian said Paris had increased its troop numbers by 400 in a single day - from 1400 on Thursday to 1800 on Friday - "and the progress on our presence on the ground continues."

France plans to deploy 2500 soldiers in the country.

Some top Pentagon officials and military officers warn that without more aggressive US action, Mali could become a haven for extremists, akin to Afghanistan before the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, the report said.

But many top White House aides say it is unclear whether the Mali insurgents, who include members of Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM), could threaten the United States, the paper said.

Those aides worry about being drawn into a messy conflict against an elusive enemy in Mali just as US forces are withdrawing from Afghanistan.

"No one here is questioning the threat that AQIM poses regionally," the paper quoted one administration official as saying.

"The question we all need to ask is, what threat do they pose to the US homeland? The answer so far has been none."
There is That which was not born, nor created, nor evolved. If it were not so, there would never be any refuge from being born, or created, or evolving. That is the end of suffering. That is God**.

** or Nirvana, Allah, Brahman, Tao, etc...
User avatar
Ben D
 
Posts: 2005
Joined: Sun Aug 12, 2007 8:10 pm
Location: Australia
Blog: View Blog (3)

Re: The Mali situation

Postby parel » Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:02 am

How Washington helped foster the Islamist uprising in Mali

451 1429 DECEMBER 2012
As the French-led military operation begins, Jeremy Keenan reveals how the US and Algeria have been sponsoring terror in the Sahara.

On 12 October 2012, the UN Security Council voted unanimously in favour of a French-drafted resolution asking Mali’s government to draw up plans for a military mission to re-establish control over the northern part of Mali, an area of the Sahara bigger than France. Known as Azawad by local Tuareg people, northern Mali has been under the control of Islamist extremists following a Tuareg rebellion at the beginning of the year. For several months, the international media have been referring to northern Mali as ‘Africa’s Afghanistan’, with calls for international military intervention becoming inexorable.


Calling the shots: a US Special Forces soldier training Malian troops in Kita, May 2010. Alfred de Montesquiou
While the media have provided abundant descriptive coverage of the course of events and atrocities committed in Azawad since the outbreak in January of what was ostensibly just another Tuareg rebellion, some pretty basic questions have not been addressed. No journalist has asked, or at least answered satisfactorily, how this latest Tuareg rebellion was hijacked, almost as soon as it started, by a few hundred Islamist extremists.

In short, the world’s media have failed to explain the situation in Azawad. That is because the real story of what has been going on there borders on the incredible, taking us deep into the murky reaches of Western intelligence and its hook-up with Algeria’s secret service.

The real story of what has been going on borders on the incredible, taking us deep into the murky reaches of Western intelligence Azawad’s current nightmare is generally explained as the unintended outcome of the overthrow of Libya’s Muammar al-Qadafi. That is true in so far as his downfall precipitated the return to the Sahel (Niger and Mali) of thousands of angry, disillusioned and well-armed Tuareg fighters who had gone to seek their metaphorical fortunes by serving the Qadafi regime. But this was merely the last straw in a decade of increasing exploitation, repression and marginalization that has underpinned an ongoing cycle of Tuareg protest, unrest and rebellion. In that respect, Libya was the catalyst for the Azawad rebellion, not its underlying cause. Rather, the catastrophe now being played out in Mali is the inevitable outcome of the way in which the Global War On Terror has been inserted into the Sahara-Sahel by the US, in concert with Algerian intelligence operatives, since 2002.


more: http://www.newint.org/features/2012/12/ ... sm-sahara/
parel
 
Posts: 361
Joined: Sat Mar 24, 2007 7:22 pm
Location: New Zealand
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: The Mali situation

Postby smiths » Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:53 pm

Mali and Algeria – A slightly different view

Let’s ask a simple question I have not seen in the mainstream media. How are these groups funded? It takes money to become ‘heavily armed’. Mr Belmokhtar may be in a Gas facility but he doesn’t own it. He does not get income from the gas and oil fields. And over in Mali, Norther Mali especially, they have very little of anything. Mali is one of the ten poorest nations on earth.

One does, however, have one burgeoning business. Mali is one of the main transit routes for South American drugs coming to Europe. I wrote about it here in Augsut last year. One of the articles I quoted from was from September 2012, in the Globe and Mail which in turn drew on a UN report and a US Homeland security report from as long ago as 2008.

Another key drug route is northern Mali,..The smugglers in Mali transport huge quantities of drugs through the Sahara desert and eventually to Mediterranean ports, where they are shipped to Europe.

So who are these ‘smugglers’?

…the smuggling routes are controlled by Islamist radicals with links to al-Qaeda. The Islamists have played a key role in the rebellion that seized control of every city in northern Mali in recent weeks.

That. I think, is how the Islamist groups in both Mali and Algeria are funded and armed. Algeria is the country due north of Northern Mali. This is one of the main drug routes from the West African coast up to the Med. I’m not saying the Islamists, some of them at lest, aren’t interested in teh radical Islam agenda. I am saying that they are also in the drug trade. And remember it’s a big trade.

A report by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security in 2008 warned that cocaine was being smuggled across the Atlantic on a growing fleet of at least 10 airplanes, including Boeing 727s, executive jets and twin-engine turboprops.

Now those planes are not owned by either the Mali rebels nor al-Qaeda. They are owned by the Cocaine cartels. But those planes are bringing a regualr and considerable income to the men and groups that run and control the drug transport networks. To you and me, and media these groups are Islamist terrorists. To the drug cartels they are a transport company. Either way they need paying and having been paid they will probably need a bank.

My guess is that the Mali and Algerian Islamist groups will be paid partly in money and partly in kind. The ‘kind’ – again I am guessing – will be arms shipped in on the same planes from Panama. Panama is where you source weapoons, especially Kalashikovs of either Czech or Chinese manufature.

It is a win/win deal. The Algerian and Mali groups don’t have to find their own arms dealer every time they need something. They can simply negotiate that the same plane that brings the drug also brings in arms. The rest of the time they can accept cash.

If there was no drug trade crossing Mali into Algeria, I doubt there would be much of an Islamist force in those countries either. Are they an ideologically driven force of fundamentalists or are they a drug dealers service industry? I would say they could not flourish as the one without also being the other.

And yet our governments have known about this trade and these specific routes for several years now and done very little. Particularly the French have had a good idea what is going on in this reason and what has been going on in its banks. Our governments know that many of the banks of West Africa from Mali down to Togo, and inland from the coast across the sahel up to Moroco, libya, Tunisia and Algeria are all handling and laundering this money.

It may be very hard to track down the mobile and well armerd insurgents. But we know how they are funded and have a pretty good idea where they are likely to be banking their money. And those banks are not hard to track down. Yet little if anything has been done about the side of this problem, the financial side, which is easy to locate, and doesn’t require soldiers to die to deal with it. Yet nothing has been done for years. Why?

Why do we wait till the money has bought the guns and created the ‘well armed’ groups and then choose to tackle the men with guns rather than the men with the drugs and the other men who bank the proceeds and keep the whole thing running?

Could it be that there are interests in our countries that are willing to tollerate islamists as long as they stick to the day job of helping us and our prefered African leaders bank the proceeds of the war with drugs.

http://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2013/01/mali/
the question is why, who, why, what, why, when, why and why again?
User avatar
smiths
 
Posts: 2205
Joined: Wed May 18, 2005 4:18 am
Location: perth, western australia
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: The Mali situation

Postby undead » Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:25 am

Mali crisis: French-led troops 'surround Timbuktu'

French-led troops in Mali have surrounded the historic city of Timbuktu, after capturing the airport from militant Islamists, officials say.

The troops encountered no resistance as they headed towards the city, where a building housing ancient manuscripts has reportedly been set on fire.


[...]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21227053

Would anyone like to share thoughts on the significance of this? Reminds me of the looting of that museum in Baghdad, back when they invaded. A travesty of historical proportions, like when the Christians destroyed the library in Alexandria. What a shame.
┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐
User avatar
undead
 
Posts: 997
Joined: Fri May 14, 2010 1:23 am
Location: Doumbekistan
Blog: View Blog (1)

Re: The Mali situation

Postby 82_28 » Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:31 am

^^^^Yeah, I was gonna post the same. Horrible loss of history and up there with Alexandria for sure. I hate not knowing what we have lost. I wonder, but doubt, if any of it was at least digitized.
There is no me. There is no you. There is all. There is no you. There is no me. And that is all. A profound acceptance of an enormous pageantry. A haunting certainty that the unifying principle of this universe is love. -- Propagandhi
User avatar
82_28
 
Posts: 11194
Joined: Fri Nov 30, 2007 4:34 am
Location: North of Queen Anne
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: The Mali situation

Postby barracuda » Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:12 pm

undead wrote:Would anyone like to share thoughts on the significance of this? Reminds me of the looting of that museum in Baghdad, back when they invaded. A travesty of historical proportions, like when the Christians destroyed the library in Alexandria. What a shame.


Here's what I can tell you based upon some mild web perusal and personal knowledge of family members who have spent considerable time in Timbuktu:

Unesco had apparently begun scanning some of the documents, but from what I can tell got only as far as 160 scans out of some 20 - 30,000 documents housed at the now-immolated Ahmed Baba Institute. This new building, constructed four years ago, had replaced a crumbling and inadequate structure which had housed these collections since the 1960's. The documents themselves are drawn from collections of local families who retained the heritage of their craftsman class roots by burying the manuscripts in their mud huts or storing them in suitcases and cardboard boxes for centuries.

Image

The most important documents dated from the 14th to 16th centuries of medieval Timbuktu, and were the output of the intellectual activities of the Sankoré mosque, and the numerous koranic schools and libraries which surrounded the so-called University of Timbuktu. There are estimated to be somewhere around one million such manuscripts in Mali, virtually none of which have been documented or translated.

Why are these valuable documents rotting in old suitcases all over the country? Because very few people give a shit about medieval Islamic heritage, and even fewer have the interest and resources to conserve and translate these types of documents. They are fragile as butterfly wings, and written in an unusual and obsolete script with archaic grammatical forms and usages. Storage and preservation is a complex and costly affair. Translating them is the bailiwick of a select handful of dedicated researchers. A subdued trade in these manuscripts went on during the French colonial period when they could be had for nothing, and many were taken out of Mali to Paris. You could still buy them quite recently from sellers for a relative pittance if you went to Timbuktu and knew where to look or who to ask.

Bottom line: no one gives two flying fucks about the "priceless" (ha) intellectual heritage of North Africa unless its destruction can be profitably pinned on our enemy du jour. The entire cost of the now-destroyed museum and lost documents equals about ten minutes of Imperial military expenses.
User avatar
barracuda
 
Posts: 12890
Joined: Thu Sep 06, 2007 5:58 pm
Location: Niles, California
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: The Mali situation

Postby hava007 » Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:28 pm

glad its mentioned, as recently this board has been ignoring so much of "world news", it seemed almost to have imploded into itself.

Mali, Egype (recently), Burma, Elections in Israel, UK v. EU, and others I forgot.
hava007
 
Posts: 133
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:55 am
Blog: View Blog (0)

Next

Return to General Discussion

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 161 guests