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So what Was The Point Of Iraq?

PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 9:04 pm
by 8bitagent
Countless dead Iraqis from Clinton's 8 years of carpet bombing and crippling sanctions, the apocalyptic horror show of the neocons from 2003-2009.

What was it truly all about? An ill conceived plan to control it as a US satellite and gobble up the oil? A secret Saudi plan to Balkanize the region into three sectarian states?
Was it all really about the oil? While some US companies are benefiting, most the oil seems to have gone to Russia, China, Arab countries and Europe.

For all the endless terrabytes of punditry from activists, scholars, conspiracy writers, talking heads, etc...in the summer of 2012, what can be said?

Because every indication is that Iran now pretty much controls Iraq. Just a giant f-up? Iran also now largely dominates Southern Lebanon once again and seeks influence in Afghanistan. Maybe that's what the ultimate controllers wanted; to manipulate a much bigger war down the road?

Re: So what Was The Point Of Iraq?

PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 9:42 pm
by 82_28
You know, I don't know. I know that the original narrative was always bullshit. Yet, I don't know. I tend to veer into the evil of the occult, myself. Hence, why I do not know.

The "war" took on at least two forms from the American anti-war bystander's perspective. Both admitted brutality and admitted providing of a democracy to a people who were fed racist stereotypes in order to get the ball rolling. I view it as an attack on all humans everywhere. Bear with me here, but the less you were physically attacked, I feel, the more damage was done. It was a scam -- hence my feelings of the occult in whatever its forms being solely behind it. It hollowed out most of the "first world's" economies. It made everyone scramble when they didn't have to, in order to make governments soluble domestically (municipal/state etc) and overseas. It was a pure act of selfishness and a heist over both mind and finance.

It was the next step in the mind game that began, as we know it, as 9/11.

I was drunkish the other night and got into an argument with some people about 9/11 being an "inside job". I don't even argue about this shit anymore, never bring it up, don't carry on conversations about it. But someone brought it up. Forget who. But I just frankly said "Inside job" and etc etc. The devil's always in the details. Obama made the dubya haters have hope. The rest is a history we'll never know.

Very sly and clever was it. We will never know other than that there is a force out there that can change the tide of ordinary life like a switch. Of this we can be sure.

Re: So what Was The Point Of Iraq?

PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 10:18 pm
by 8bitagent
82_28 wrote:You know, I don't know. I know that the original narrative was always bullshit. Yet, I don't know. I tend to veer into the evil of the occult, myself. Hence, why I do not know.

The "war" took on at least two forms from the American anti-war bystander's perspective. Both admitted brutality and admitted providing of a democracy to a people who were fed racist stereotypes in order to get the ball rolling. I view it as an attack on all humans everywhere. Bear with me here, but the less you were physically attacked, I feel, the more damage was done. It was a scam -- hence my feelings of the occult in whatever its forms being solely behind it. It hollowed out most of the "first world's" economies. It made everyone scramble when they didn't have to, in order to make governments soluble domestically (municipal/state etc) and overseas. It was a pure act of selfishness and a heist over both mind and finance.

It was the next step in the mind game that began, as we know it, as 9/11.

I was drunkish the other night and got into an argument with some people about 9/11 being an "inside job". I don't even argue about this shit anymore, never bring it up, don't carry on conversations about it. But someone brought it up. Forget who. But I just frankly said "Inside job" and etc etc. The devil's always in the details. Obama made the dubya haters have hope. The rest is a history we'll never know.

Very sly and clever was it. We will never know other than that there is a force out there that can change the tide of ordinary life like a switch. Of this we can be sure.


I hear you...I don't even know anymore. And I'm no stranger to drunken rants about deep state stuff to people in (mostly) civil discussions or debates.

I definitely see the overall agenda of Iraq being occult in nature as well. Not that Cheney and the neocons would ever be aware of it. Way beyond them. Perhaps the point was simply to create a thunderdome arena of car bombs and nuttyness. We do know on the exoteric tip Iraq ended up as a bad place for people wearing the "white hats" to do any evil(torture, killing, rapes, etc) they chose to. A Hostel or Franklin Fundraiser for the Mil Industrial/PMC/CIA brand.

Like the Holocaust or war in general, perhaps these soul ripping trauma events are simply that...to create chaos, death and misery for whatever aeon changing dark energetic purpose.


It's hard for me to muster the interest in debating or discussing 9/11. Either they will be of the "mistakes were made" liberal/centrist/right wing type who *may* be willing to entertain the idea of Saudi or Pakistani involvement. Or, albeit rarer, they are of the full blown Bush and the CIA flew drone planes "Inside Job" type.

When people hear I do not believe 9/11 was an "inside job" in the sense of Truthers(tm) believe, that might take people back a bit. I believe more than ever that some sort of nasty something or ever was in a way effectively manipulating various moving parts in a meta-meta play of which the players had no idea of the other's participation. On the exoteric end, you do indeed have a strong Saudi involvement. You have a tower of babel of CIA/NSA/Pentagon clusterfuckage. But I honest to goodness don't believe there was Rumsfeld, Cheney or cigar chomping Pentagon guys in some smoke filled room going "ok this is how were going to do it". Perhaps they were frightened by it, especially with the cryptic "Angel is Next". I think someone or SOMETHING did 9/11 FOR them like an early golden goose christmas present.
I think BOTH the US government and al Qaeda got played and punk'd. Hard to explain what I'm getting at. Maybe everyone dun got a case of the Wendigo.

I think the neocons and US government leaders are virulent scumbags...but I can't help but think when it comes to 9/11, or any of the post 9/11 evil they did...it was important for THEM TO THINK there was a genuine al Qaeda thread. Because the ending to Jack Nicholson in the Pledge I feel PERFECTLY sums up how I see the neocons.


Re: So what Was The Point Of Iraq?

PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 11:01 pm
by Forgetting2
Interesting. Been wondering the same thing lately. I wonder how many people are having that thought percolating up at this particular time, and how it might be a part of the collective thought.

Re: So what Was The Point Of Iraq?

PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 11:11 pm
by Forgetting2
8bitagent wrote:Perhaps they were frightened by it, especially with the cryptic "Angel is Next". I think someone or SOMETHING did 9/11 FOR them like an early golden goose christmas present.
I think BOTH the US government and al Qaeda got played and punk'd. Hard to explain what I'm getting at. Maybe everyone dun got a case of the Wendigo.


Maybe both the US government and al Qaeda got punk'd, but I'd be surprised if the likes of Rumsfeld and Cheney didn't at least think they knew what they were doing. The only one who ever seemed scared to me was Bush Jr., and that only briefly at the beginning.

Re: So what Was The Point Of Iraq?

PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2012 12:26 am
by Luther Blissett
Yeah, the powers that be don't always have to be American. Control, resources, psyops, esoteric ritual, imperialism, "trampling Babylon," exotic weapons testing, smokescreen, message management...it's probably a great many things.

I do think it's like someone said on the vets thread: it had been too long since we'd had a war, and the ways in which culture had shifted by the late 90's (the "dream of the 90's") was spontaneous and heading in a direction of non-control. I think it was mostly a way of oppressing the poorest people in this country and in the target countries, to affect a few future generations, and to manage messaging.

Re: So what Was The Point Of Iraq?

PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2012 12:37 am
by 8bitagent
Luther Blissett wrote:Yeah, the powers that be don't always have to be American. Control, resources, psyops, esoteric ritual, imperialism, "trampling Babylon," exotic weapons testing, smokescreen, message management...it's probably a great many things.

I do think it's like someone said on the vets thread: it had been too long since we'd had a war, and the ways in which culture had shifted by the late 90's (the "dream of the 90's") was spontaneous and heading in a direction of non-control. I think it was mostly a way of oppressing the poorest people in this country and in the target countries, to affect a few future generations, and to manage messaging.



When the whole anti IMF/anti World Bank/anti WTO/anti globalization period of leftist activism rose in 1999 through the summer of 2001 world wide, it was pretty strong. I'd say even more stronger and more urgent feeling than Occupy. I remember Rage Against the Machine performed in front of a large protest...not outside the RNC, but outside the DNC. I often saw posters of Bush and Gore in Shepard Fairy OBEY style everywhere in 2000. People were just fed up with everything. The Gingrich "contract with America" and the "moral majority". Bill Clinton and his massive deregulation of Wall Street and the IMF BS with Asia. The left was charged.

Then came 9/11, and boy did that knock the sails out of the left big time. Like the white powder covered patrons of Manhattan walking in an erie trance that once clear blue Tuesday, the left seemed demolished. Even some peace activists were saying "Maybe we need to go in there to Afghanistan and take care of business". In fact the overall staunch support for the Afghan war by the left was so strong, I remember getting into shouting matches with so called "anti Bush/anti Iraq war" liberals about how I said Afghanistan should also be included in there as a lie based war for profit.

All the Y2k hype...and then 21 months later it came in an unexpected way, leaving people in a fugue like state of disbelief and fog.

Everyone from our friends and family to the media and the government pushes "social media" and instant connectivity 24/7, and one has to wonder how the next big war or destructive 9/11-ish event would be sold or handled. The youth of today are a bit different(for example) than the youth of 2001.

Re: So what Was The Point Of Iraq?

PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2012 2:04 am
by Joe Hillshoist
8bitagent wrote:
Luther Blissett wrote:Yeah, the powers that be don't always have to be American. Control, resources, psyops, esoteric ritual, imperialism, "trampling Babylon," exotic weapons testing, smokescreen, message management...it's probably a great many things.

I do think it's like someone said on the vets thread: it had been too long since we'd had a war, and the ways in which culture had shifted by the late 90's (the "dream of the 90's") was spontaneous and heading in a direction of non-control. I think it was mostly a way of oppressing the poorest people in this country and in the target countries, to affect a few future generations, and to manage messaging.



When the whole anti IMF/anti World Bank/anti WTO/anti globalization period of leftist activism rose in 1999 through the summer of 2001 world wide, it was pretty strong. I'd say even more stronger and more urgent feeling than Occupy. I remember Rage Against the Machine performed in front of a large protest...not outside the RNC, but outside the DNC. I often saw posters of Bush and Gore in Shepard Fairy OBEY style everywhere in 2000. People were just fed up with everything. The Gingrich "contract with America" and the "moral majority". Bill Clinton and his massive deregulation of Wall Street and the IMF BS with Asia. The left was charged.

Then came 9/11, and boy did that knock the sails out of the left big time. Like the white powder covered patrons of Manhattan walking in an erie trance that once clear blue Tuesday, the left seemed demolished. Even some peace activists were saying "Maybe we need to go in there to Afghanistan and take care of business". In fact the overall staunch support for the Afghan war by the left was so strong, I remember getting into shouting matches with so called "anti Bush/anti Iraq war" liberals about how I said Afghanistan should also be included in there as a lie based war for profit.

All the Y2k hype...and then 21 months later it came in an unexpected way, leaving people in a fugue like state of disbelief and fog.

Everyone from our friends and family to the media and the government pushes "social media" and instant connectivity 24/7, and one has to wonder how the next big war or destructive 9/11-ish event would be sold or handled. The youth of today are a bit different(for example) than the youth of 2001.


This if anything. better to bring the whole thing down than surrender power.

Re: So what Was The Point Of Iraq?

PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2012 3:50 am
by AhabsOtherLeg
Sykes–Picot 2.0.

Re: So what Was The Point Of Iraq?

PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2012 9:07 am
by Wombaticus Rex
Destabilize the region and make money for a specific set of players doing so.

Re: So what Was The Point Of Iraq?

PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2012 9:16 am
by vince
I've heard that the post-Saddam Iraqi Dinar will be the savior of both the American debt AND the world debt.
Supposedly, both the American government, and other European countries ( those in horrible economic shape) have purchased billions in this currency in the knowledge that once the country is back on it's feet, the Dinar will return to it's old pre-Sadam value.

Anybody else heard of this?

Re: So what Was The Point Of Iraq?

PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2012 10:40 am
by crikkett
Luther Blissett wrote:Yeah, the powers that be don't always have to be American. Control, resources, psyops, esoteric ritual, imperialism, "trampling Babylon," exotic weapons testing, smokescreen, message management...it's probably a great many things.

I do think it's like someone said on the vets thread: it had been too long since we'd had a war, and the ways in which culture had shifted by the late 90's (the "dream of the 90's") was spontaneous and heading in a direction of non-control. I think it was mostly a way of oppressing the poorest people in this country and in the target countries, to affect a few future generations, and to manage messaging.


Then there was the seizure of priceless Sumerian artifacts that perhaps could have revealed so much to us about our history and future...

Re: So what Was The Point Of Iraq?

PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2012 10:49 am
by barracuda
vince wrote:Anybody else heard of this?


It's a scam.

Also, in answer to the OP question, it was at least partly a personal vendetta.

Re: So what Was The Point Of Iraq?

PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2012 11:37 am
by Runner
Sykes-Pico. I didn't know of Sykes-Pico. Not even a little.
Did some reading about it and for context.

What else was happening in 1916?

America, as yet to formally enter WW1. New York. Black Tom Island.
Can't answer the OP as to the Point of Iraq but I hear an echo
from the past in the following;

The Black Tom explosion on July 30, 1916
Source: Black Tom explosion - Wikipedia
Address : <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Tom_explosion>

Re: So what Was The Point Of Iraq?

PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2012 11:50 am
by seemslikeadream
Babylon



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World War Three - The Players part 1 DulceDecorum
Posted by seemslikeadream, Mon Sep-03-07 07:42 AM

DulceDecorum (1359 posts)
Apr-10-03, 04:14 PM (ET)
World War Three: The Players
Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, we are now witnessing global strife.
The triggering event occured on September 11, 2001 when it appears that four civilian airliners crashed into the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center in New York City as well as one wall of the Pentagon and an open field in Shanksville, Pennsylvania.

The world was shocked at the thought that anyone would deliberately inflict such carnage. All nations sent condolences to the United States and pledged to help it locate and punish the perpetrators of this dastardly deed.
It soon became apparent that the Bush administration was not interested in investigating the incident but rather in waging war.

The Bush Administration declared that Osama bin Laden was the criminal mastermind behind this incident and propmtly bombed the Taliban - the government of Afghanistan - when they asked for proof.
Next the Administration then declared that Iran, Iraq and North Korea comprised an "Axis of Evil" and they would have be dealt with. George W. Bush displayed an intense hatred of Saddam Hussein, the president of Iraq. Nation after nation refused to assist him in his vendetta.

The Bush administration claimed that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and posed a viable threat to the security of the US. The United Nations sent inspectors into Iraq and no such weapons were ever found. Then the Bush administration, aided and abetted by Tony Blair, the prime minister ofBritain and Jose Maria Aznar, the prime minister of Spain launched a war against Iraq.
This war was immensely unpopular. Millions of people took part in protests and marches before it even began. Tensions rose even higher after the first bombs dropped on Baghdad.
The Pentagon strategists had come up something they referred to as "Shock and Awe." This involved the use of weapons of mass destruction.

Thousands of Iraqi died and the pictures of their broken bodies and shattered lives were broadcast worldwide.
An immense wave of sympathy was engendered for these people and an immense hatred for the US began to be felt.
The Pentagon responded by attacking journalists. In one incident, the Palestine Hotel, unofficial home to the world's networks and newspapers, was deliberately targetted by an American tank.
Soon afterwards, the area across the hotel was secured by the US and a statue of Saddam Hussein was destroyed by American soldiers and certain Iraqi-looking extras who were specially shipped into the country for media events such as this.
Victory was declared, apart from a few technicalities.

Not one to long rest on the laurels of others, Defense Secretary Rumsfeld then notified Syria - and also Iran - that there were next.
Syria was accused of assisting Iraq with the purchase of certain types of equipment for Iraqi soldiers. They denied it. But so also did Osama bin Laden deny involvement with the hijacked airliners and his abode was destroyed.

This is the situation at present.
And so it behooves us to look closely at the events, the reasons for them, and, of course, the players.

There are many strands to this rope.
Religion. Money. Power. Personality. Nationalism. Racism.
Love and hate.
All the ingredients needed for a blockbuster novel, or perhaps, Armageddon.

Hopefully this thread will explore these strands and serve as a repository of information lest we forget.
http://argument.independent.co.uk/commentators/sto.. onclick="window.open(this.href);return false.



1. The Sunni, the Shi'ia and the Ismaili.
OK, most people here are kinda Christian and kinda understand the difference between the Orthodox and the Roman Catholic Church on the one hand and the myriad of Protestant groups on the other.
But when it comes to Islam, most here have absolutely NO clue as to who is what and why and what is means all around.
This article explains how the sunni-shi'ite split came about.
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/anthony.campbell1/ass.. onclick="window.open(this.href);return false.

The shi'ites then split into two more groups, the Twelvers and the Seveners who are also known as the Ismaili. The leader of the Ismaili is the called the Aga Khan and he is an extremely wealthy bloke who behaves in a philanthropic manner.
http://www.akdn.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false

The Ismaili trace their heritage back to the Assassins and a place called Alamut.
http://ismaili.net/~heritage/mirrors/26_alamut/ala.. onclick="window.open(this.href);return false.

Why should we care?

Frightening and hysterical at the same time, the CIA's assassin training manual incorporates some of the techniques and practices of the Assassin order.
http://www.disinfo.com/pages/dossier/id985/pg3/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false

Some say that all secret societies, for example the Freemasons, trace their lineage back to the Alamut. Certainly the Knights Templar had dealings with Alamut and incoroprated much into their way of life.

In the final analysis, I would say that it is most unwise to upset the Sh'ia Muslims and that holds true even no matter what.
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/Print/0,3858,463786.. onclick="window.open(this.href);return false.

It is in Najaf, at the shrine of Imam Ali which is the burial site of the son-in-law of the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) where the infidel crusaders went to their knees before abandoning their mission.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/03/otsc.irq.../" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false

3. Enter, Baal.
OK, this is where it gets good.
Someone once said that when the going gets weird, the weird go pro. Well, ladies and gentlemen, hang onto your hats.
First off I would like to say that religion is a very personal thing and what may seem weird to you or me is perfectly normal and rational to a Believer.
For example, cannibalism.
Christians have a ceremony where they hold up a chalice - or cup - of red fluid and say "this is my blood" and then they hold up something white and porous and they say "this is my body" and they give everyone a little bit of each and tell them to eat and drink of the body of Christ, who just so happens to be the person they adore the most in their split-personality God.
Now, when Kabaka Mwanga discovered that some of the baGanda children were participating in this ritual, he summoned them to his palace and issued a cease and desist order. Contrary to what you may have heard, the overwhelming majority of African people find cannibalism (and oral sex) quite revolting.
The young Christian converts refused to comply and so they were put to death, one by one. Thus we came about the story of the 11 Ugandan martyrs.
So, as you can see, everyone has their own view point concerning their own religious behavior.

And we are off to Babylon.
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/04/09/10495677.. onclick="window.open(this.href);return false.

So what was the biblical and historical significance of Babylon?
Prosser said, "The significance of Babylon seems to be that these empires come along and they attempt to unite the world by force into one power under an anti-Christ type person, and there's no doubt that Saddam fits that kind of mold. And he has killed hundreds of thousands of his own people... So they don't care, what they care about is naked power and they don't realize that kind of power always goes before a fall."
http://cbn.org/CBNNews/iraq/030403aa.asp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false

Every day for months (no, let's make it years) Saddam Hussein has been in the news with his possible weapons cache, and the thought that these weapons could be hidden inside his famous Presidential palaces.
Like many people though, I had wondered why it was that there were apparently so many of these palaces, and moreover than that why they were so huge! This lead me to begin to search out materials concerning the palaces in order to find out their significance, and in turn, be able to understand more about what is exactly happening there today.
<snip>
After being shocked by this title, I began to read A Palace for the Antichrist rather intently. Within this book I discovered the real purpose behind the title -- which was not to imply that Saddam was the AntiChrist, but to suggest that perhaps he is some kind of predecessor instead.
Regardless of "what" he is, one thing is absolutely certain. Saddam Hussein is fulfilling scripture by rebuilding the palaces of King Nebucanezzer of Babylon, and it is prophesied that in the end times of the Bible that Babylon would be the home of the AntiChrist.
http://www.epinions.com/content_87006154372" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false

To the horror of archaeologists, Saddam has reconstructed Babylon to provide a fitting monument to his own reign. The 10-year multi-million pound building project is complete and huge arches in sharp-edged yellow brick rise above the broken 2,500-year-old stone. Vast crenellated walls once again surround the throne room of Nebuchadnezzar. The king had his name inscribed on the original bricks in jagged cuneiform script. Now the walls carry inscriptions in swirling Arabic telling of the glory of 'the great protector of Iraq... the ever victorious Saddam Hussein'.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,197350.. onclick="window.open(this.href);return false.

Reuters) - Extending their dominion over Iraq, U.S. forces moved on Wednesday through the site of King Nebuchadnezzar's ancient Babylon, a cradle of civilization and one of the jewels in the country's rich archeological crown.
It also houses one of the many lavish palaces of a more recent Iraqi ruler, Saddam Hussein -- a place of golden taps in marble bathrooms and an air that no one's visited of late.
http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=focusIra.. onclick="window.open(this.href);return false.

The first synagogue in the world was built, it seems, in Babylon. Though there is no accurate information in this regard, except for the legend connected with the founding of "Shaf weYativ " Synagogue. The legend tells us that King Yehoyachin who was exiled in the first Diaspora to Babylon (597 B.C.), brought with him earth from Israel, or more accurately bricks, which he used in the building of the "Shaf weYativ " Synagogue in Nehardea, traditionally believed to be the Great synagogue in Baghdad.
http://www.babylonjewry.org.il/new/english/neharde.. onclick="window.open(this.href);return false.

The southern portion of Babylonia, Lower Mesopotamia, lying chiefly on the right bank of the Euphrates, but commonly used of the whole of the Mesopotamian plain. The Hebrew name is Kasdim, which is usually rendered "Chaldeans" (Jer. 50:10; 51:24,35).
http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/chaldea.. onclick="window.open(this.href);return false.

"King". The sun god of the Canaanites (Ammonites?) in old Palestine and sometimes associated with the Sumerian Baal, although Moloch (or Molekh) was entirely malevolent.
http://www.pantheon.org/articles/m/moloch.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false

The antiquity of the worship of the god or gods of Baal extends back to the 14th century BCE among the ancient Semitic peoples, the descendants of Shem, the oldest son of Biblical Noah
http://www.pantheon.org/articles/b/baal.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false

So what have learned so far?

The three major organized religions have their origins in the Middle East, around Babylon .
When Saddam Hussein began to rebuild the temples of Nebuchadnezzer, this triggered off a chain of events of truly Biblical proportions. He was seen as the fore-runner of the anti-christ by the American right-wing conservative church-goers. Hence the support for the doctrine of the pre-emptive strike.
The Chaldeans are alive and well. By this, I do NOT necessarily mean the Iraqi Christians up near Detroit but rather the mystics who are deeply enmeshed in the occult some of whom have "Baal" - Master - as part of their name.

I suppose you are wondering exactly how North Korea became part and parcel of this "axis of evil." Read on.


Just like Cain and Abel, these countries today are fighting as enemy countries in order to indemnify the disunity in their past.
Who is going to unite them? It is Rev. Moon. Rev. Moon is now establishing a unity among them. International conferences and political meetings cannot be successful without my support. We have come to such a stage at this time. Unless we indemnify such complicated historical mistakes, we cannot solve all of these present problems.
<snip>
American churches and American government opposed Father. People conspired and wished to put an end to the work of Rev. Moon for their own sake. Because they could not kill me, they took this measure. If they had a way to kill me, they would have done whatever they could, but, things did not work out in the way they wanted. It was at this time that Father gathered and educated 7,000 ministers. Their education was not at all easy. (164-131)
2) 70,000 Minister Education
If we could educate 7,000 or 70,000 ministers, we have something extra when we enter into the land of Canaan. If we could educate 70,000 ministers, we can organize two hundred fifty local organizations and digest America completely. The land of Canaan is possible if we gain a victory over the Communist party. So, we will secure 45 million Victory Over Communism membership centering on Christianity. If we could unite 70,000 ministers in America, we can easily achieve the goal of 45 million membership. (1985/4/8)
<snip>
What Father is trying to do in America is to inspire American Christianity. Forty years ago, American churches and American government could not unite with Father. Forty years ago, Korean Christianity and the people could not unite with Father. Father can reconnect them again. What Father has done in America is to activate American church leaders, and thereby create the environment and conditions upon which America can move forward. Many American ministers are coming here, aren't they? 164-13 1)
American ministers must help Korea. The fall took place because the archangel failed to assist Adam. They must assist Korea. We take 7,000 ministers to Korea this year. This event is what is meant by assistance. Because American churches could not unite with Father forty years ago, Father is reaching out to them again. We are now working really hard. We are trying to educate Christian leaders, thereby saving America.
http://www.unification.org/ucbooks/HDH/WU2/WU2-7-5.. onclick="window.open(this.href);return false.

OK then, ladies and gentlemen, it would appear that several forces are working in concert.
Now why would a religious leader want to lead his flock astray and keep them in fear of an impending Apocalypse?
MONEY.
Hey you can't take it with you folks, so you might as well dump it into the church coffers for my, I mean - the Lord's, work.

In the course of trying to get Falwell to address the unpaid debt he heard details of the Rev. Falwell’s accounting practices upon which the Almighty would presumably frown.
“I talked to Falwell’s accountant, who was very apologetic,” the former Hilliard executive stated. “He said there was plenty of money to pay off the loan, except any time there was money left in the account at the end of the month Jerry stripped it out.”
“Falwell’s accountant told me 'if I can pay you in chunks off the books so Jerry doesn’t see it, I can get it handled.’
"So we worked out a payment schedule. And after that checks drawn on Liberty University came in for a few months, until Falwell figured out what was going on and put a stop to it,” Hilliard’s former manager stated.
http://www.madcowprod.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false

American Christian Zionists say they are now a more important source of support for Israel than American Jews or the traditional Jewish lobby.
“It is my belief that the Bible Belt in America is Israel’s only safety belt right now,” says Rev. Jerry Falwell, one of the leaders of the Christian Right. That’s the bulk of Evangelical Christians; Falwell claims to speak for all of them.
<snip>
That is precisely what the Bush Administration and the Israeli Government have been saying since September 11, that they are allies in the war on terror. But the Christian Fundamentalists go further. They say it is not just an alliance between nations but between religions.
“A lot of Muslims feel these days that Christians and Jews are getting together and ganging up on them,” Simon said to Falwell.
“That’s true. I’m sorry, that’s true. I hope it will cease to be so. But I think that is the fact right now,” says Falwell.
Falwell believes most Muslims want to live in peace but, he says, the lines have been drawn. Christians and Jews are on one side, Muslims on the other and, he says, those lines were drawn more than a thousand years ago.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/03/60minute.. onclick="window.open(this.href);return false.

Thus it turns out that the Moonies and the Rapture-Ready Christians have linked forces with the Pharisees and the Chaldean Followers of Baal.
No kidding. No April Fool joke either.

The baal guys want Baghdad because it is the site of Babylon where they used to worship and practice their shocking and awful human sacrifice -- like they are doing now.
The baal guys are doing everything thy can to bring Molech back to reign on earth. Molech is also known as Chemosh of Moab.
Yes, chemo. Yes, moab.
Massive Ordinance Air Burst , Mother Of All Bombs. The exploding sky.
Molech enjoys watching people pass through fire. It is called holocaust.

Some say that six million or more humans must die in sacrifice before the altar of the anti-christ is red enough to receive him.
Have you looked at Iraq lately?
Wondered why the journalists whose newstories and pictures increase the protests and slow the bloodletting are now losing their own lives?

The Pharisees are promoting some weird agenda called the Seven Noachide or Noahide Laws which supposedly were given to Noah and are the Supreme Law, even higher than the Ten Commandments or any scripture whatsoever, despite the fact that appear nowhere that the average reader of Holy Books can find them.
God's Own Word is nothing when held up to these "laws" and the interpretations on them given by the Pharisees themselves.
Apparently, those who are not of the Chosen Few are supposed to serve those who are.
This is now the Law of Federal government of the United States of America.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c102:H.J.RES... onclick="window.open(this.href);return false:
The Sanhedrin is back in action.
It is alive and well in the USA.
Now coming to a courtroom near you.

Some of you may have noticed that the US Department of Justice has undergone several most radical changes since one John Ashcroft was anointed. He may be simply obeying the Noahide directive:
7. To set up courts to ensure obedience to the other six laws
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Judaism/The_Seven.. onclick="window.open(this.href);return false.

Mr. Rod Paige just caught some heat for indicating his desire to comply with what appears to be Noahide educational policies.
This approach to education, based on the three-thousand-year-old Jewish yeshiva system, drastically minimizes secular studies (math, science, history, English, social studies, computers & other technical studies) in favor of total immersion in Torah, the Word of G-d. This includes written Torah, oral Torah, halacha (religious law), Hebrew language, etc.; this philosophy of education is fundamentally opposite the one used in public and private schools and in standard home-schooling programs.
http://www.noahide.com/minimum.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false

They speak most authoritatively.
For example, this article has a copyright dated 1998.16) An escalation of terrorism within the borders of the United States, along with debt-fueled inflationary economic crisis and urban riots; a general breakdown of law and order, followed by police state measures that will deliberately fail to restore order; rising confusion and panic amongst the population, with no one being able to identify the cause.
<snip>
2) In the second stage, the growing Noachide movement will seize political power--using only peaceful, lawful means--in the capitals of the Western nations. This, of course, will not take place until the Noachide society has grown to some threshold size. We do not know how large this needs to be nor which nations will join the revolution first, although the United States, as a fairly religious, conservative nation, certainly tops the list of prospects.
<snip>
The pre-existing Noachide judges and courts will replace the existing court system of each country, and the legal code will be drastically rewritten to conform to halacha; in the United States, the emphasis will be on restoring the authority of the Constitution and abolishing all unconstitutional government programs and agencies. The national debt will be foreclosed, probably by paying off creditors with government land holdings, thus averting economic disaster. And law and order will be fully restored through the establishment of internal security measures, again in accordance with Torah law.
http://www.noahide.com/finalwar.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false
So why worry? Be happy.
They will take care of you and how!

Strange bedfellows, did you say?
Naturally, the Rapture-Ready Christians think that is all totally cool because according to them, the anti-christ has to put in an appearance before they can be whisked off to eat pie in the sky.
They get quite the thrill seeing what they fervently believe to be Satan in action, and they just LOVE helping him out.
http://slate.msn.com/id/17513/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false
Since they won't be needing their retirement plans, they are quite willing to sell them and every one else's pensions down the river.
Hence Enron, soldier's families on welfare, homeless veterans, etc.

Trouble is, Eden is supposedly somewhere around the current "theatre of operations" and cherubim with flaming swords are guarding it.
And we have barely scratched the surface of Islamic belief.

The Rapture-Ready Christians, as you can see, will oversee the slaughter of the Muslims and will show little other than joy at the sight of the wailing heathen women, dead pagan babies and unsaved maimed men. Those evangelists who feel the stirrings of humanity within them will attempt to convert these people to Christianity. If they refuse they shall die and perish in everlasting fire. Amen. Their born-again hearts are hard enough to justify this war and to also claim that it is in the best interests of those in torment.



4. Never underestimate the power of Madison Avenue.
LAST EDITED ON Apr-11-03 AT 08:36 PM (ET)
They misunderestimated me.
George W Bush*

War is a bloody brutal business and a bloody hard sell.
But, for a price, there are those who are willing to assist, even in this endeavor.
These are a few of the supporting cast members in
"The Great Game"
coming shortly to a theatre of operations near you.


THE RENDON GROUP
For some people, war is terror, disaster and death. For others, it's a PR problem.
At the Rendon Group, a public-relations firm with offices in Boston and Washington, pleasant news arrived the other day with a $397,000 contract to help the Pentagon look good while bombing Afghanistan. The four-month deal includes an option to renew through most of 2002.
This is a job for savvy PR pros who know how to sound humanistic. "At the Rendon Group, we believe in people," says the company's mission statement, which expresses "our admiration and respect for cultural diversity" and proclaims a commitment to "helping people win in the global marketplace."
<snip>
Rendon proudly notes that it provided "community and media relations counsel to the Monsanto Chemical Company in its effort to clean up several contaminated sites." Overseas, Rendon helped the Kuwait Petroleum Corporation to cope with labor strife and bad press when closing a refinery in Naples, Italy.
Some clients have been more shadowy. Rendon worked for the government of Kuwait in the early 1990s. And the firm made a lot of money by contracting with the CIA to do media work for the Iraqi National Congress, an organization seeking the overthrow of Saddam Hussein.
http://www.fair.org/media-beat/011025.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false

Much of the pro-war information cited by the White House comes from the Iraqi National Congress (INC), a front group established in the early 1990s by the Rendon Group. (PR Watch's Fourth Quarter 2001 issue detailed the Rendon Group's role in creating the INC.)
"Most Iraq hands with long experience in dealing with that country's tumultuous politics consider the INC's intelligence-gathering abilities to be nearly nil," Dreyfuss stated. "The Pentagon's critics are appalled that intelligence provided by the INC might shape US decisions about going to war against Baghdad. At the CIA and at the State Department, Ahmed Chalabi, the INC's leader, is viewed as the ineffectual head of a self-inflated and corrupt organization skilled at lobbying and public relations, but not much else."
http://www.prwatch.org/prwissues/2002Q4/war.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false

AW SHADDUP
ClandestineRadio.com, a website which monitors underground and anti-government radio stations in countries throughout the world, credits the Rendon Group with "designing and supervising" the Iraqi Broadcasting Corporation (IBC) and Radio Hurriah, which began broadcasting Iraqi opposition propaganda in January 1992 from a US government transmitter in Kuwait. According to a September 1996 article in Time magazine, six CIA case officers supervised the IBC's 11 hours of daily programming and Iraqi National Congress activities in the Iraqi Kurdistan city of Arbil. These activities came to an abrupt end on August 31, 1996, when the Iraqi army invaded Arbil and executed all but 12 out of 100 IBC staff workers along with about 100 members of the Iraqi National Congress.
http://www.prwatch.org/prwissues/2001Q4/rendon.htm.. onclick="window.open(this.href);return false.

BERNADOR ASSOCIATES
Benador Associates are proud to present a highly qualified cadre of inspiring, knowledgeable speakers who are available to address your group or broadcast audience.
Each of our experts is nationally and internationally recognized on issues of the Middle East and national security, among others.
http://www.benadorassociates.com/speakers.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false

Ms Mylroie and Ms Miller both have connections with the Middle East Forum. Mr Perle, Mr Rubin, Ms Wurmser, Ms Mylroie and Ms Miller are all clients of Eleana Benador, a Peruvian-born linguist who acts as a sort of theatrical agent for experts on the Middle East and terrorism, organising their TV appearances and speaking engagements.
Of the 28 clients on Ms Benador's books, at least nine are connected with the AEI, the Washington Institute and the Middle East Forum.
Although these three privately-funded organisations promote views from only one end of the political spectrum, the amount of exposure that they get with their books, articles and TV appearances is extraordinary.
<snip>
The Middle East Forum issues two regular publications, the Middle East Quarterly and the Middle East Intelligence Bulletin, the latter published jointly with the United States Committee for a Free Lebanon.
The Middle East Quarterly describes itself as "a bold, insightful, and controversial publication".
Among the insights in its latest issue is an article on weapons of mass destruction that says SYRIA "has more destructive capabilities" than Iraq, or Iran.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/journalist/sto.. onclick="window.open(this.href);return false.

HILL & KNOWLTON
"Risk communication is about two things," Buckmaster said, "scaring people into action and trying to reassure them into inaction." Although corporate crisis management focuses on "reassuring into inaction," he noted noted that PR firms are sometimes hired to inflame rather than downplay fears.
Sometimes, he said, flacks "have to help people get outraged" about pressing public issues. "Sometimes you have to scare people into action."
These comments precipitated a momentary crisis in Buckmaster's own presentation, when a woman in the audience raised her hand and asked about Hill & Knowlton's role in "scaring people into action" during the months leading up to the Persian Gulf war.

H&K's wartime propaganda on behalf of the Kuwaiti government-in-exile remains notorious, even within the PR trade. Buckmaster's firm engineered the infamous fraudulent testimony in which Iraqi soldiers were falsely accused of ripping Kuwaiti babies out of hospital incubators and leaving them on the floor to die.
As Buckmaster's audience well knew, this "atrocity" never happened, but H&K nonetheless used the manufactured "baby incubator" incident to whip up war hysteria among the American public and politicians.

The woman's question prompted a buzz of anticipation, but Buckmaster managed to dodge the question like a true PR pro. "The Pentagon is the best risk-management group in the business," he mumbled, and quickly changed the subject.
http://www.prwatch.org/prwissues/1997Q1/risky.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false