Navigating New Identity Politics

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Re: Navigating New Identity Politics

Postby American Dream » Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:08 pm

Luther Blissett wrote:
wordspeak2 wrote:Half-satire is how I read it. Thanks for the original piece. Just when you thought it couldn't get any weirder.


Did you check out the Something Awful link after the article I posted? This list almost reads like what we might call a limited hangout for the patriarchy. Did you know that otherkin erasure contributes to the kyriarchy?

i believe it is important to investigate the systemic natures of oppressions in order to stop them. i am invested in recognizing and being accountable for my privileges and my fuckups, acknowledging and valuing and appreciating and validating marginalized identities, respecting complex intersections, and resisting, naming, challenging and overthrowing kyriarchy in its various forms.

some of the oppressions and systems that kyriarchy is composed of:
(some of these things are restated in different words, and this is by no means a complete list)
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ableism. abuse culture. academic elitism. ageism. adultism. ahistoricalism. allism. anthropocentrism. antisemitism. antiziganism. appropriation. asexual hate. atheist dogma. audism. authoritarian models and hierarchies. bdsm hate. binarism. body modifications hate. body policing. bullying. capitalism. cartesian dualism. casteism. christian supremacy. chronologism. cisgenderism. cissexism. classism. coercive diagnosis. colonialism. colorism. communalism. compulsory schooling. conservatism. cultural appropriation. cyber / online / internet culture hate. democracy. determinism. diet shaming. drug use enforcement. drug use & culture hate. educationism / educational institutionalism. elitism. enforced silencing. enforcing and policing dichotomies. enforcing attitudes. enforcing the self / body and self / mind dichotomies. environmental destruction. erasure. ethnicism. ethnocentrism. eurocentrism. evolutionary psychology. fascism. fat hate. food policing. fundamentalism. furry hate. gender policing. genderizations. genderqueer hate. generalizations. globalization. government ideology. grammar / spelling policing. gridmapping. GSM / GSAM (gender and (a)sexuality marginalized) hate. healthism. heightism. heteronormativity. heterosexism. hierarchalism. hindutva. hueism. imperialism. individualism. islam hate. jingoism. kink hate. kink policing. language(s) policing / imposition. liberalism. libertarianism. linearity. logocentrism. looksism. majority rule. marginalization. marriage as an enforced norm. militarism. misogyny. monoamorism. monogamism. monosexism. nation-state ideology. nationalism. nazism. neocolonialism. neoliberalism. nerd / geek hate. nonconsent culture. nonconsensual / coercive fetishization. nonconsensual / coercive sexualization. nonhuman hate. normativity. objectivism. oppression of undocumented beings. oppressive family structures. oppressive notions of science. oralism. orientalism. otherkin hate + erasure. parentism. patriotism. policing. policing selfhoods. privatization. progressivism. property ideology. queer hate. racism. surprise sex culture. rationalism. republicanism. religious / spiritual discrimination. reproductivism. revisionism. saffronization. scientific dogma. sectarianism. sex work hate + shaming. sexism. sexualism. shaming in general. singletism. sizism. speciesism. standardized work and education. statism. stealth shaming. stigmatization. the academic industrial complex. the adult / child dichotomy. the "all dichotomies must be false dichotomies" philosophy. the bigoted myth of neutrality. the prison industrial complex. therian hate. totalitarianism. transabled hate. transmisogyny. trans (*) hate. universalism. victim blaming. war. zionism.

It's like a bad joke: but at whose expense?...
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Re: Navigating New Identity Politics

Postby Luther Blissett » Thu Jan 01, 2015 5:53 pm

I'm putting my post about Leelah here.

Is there any truth to the screenshots I saw earlier of her mother posting that awful transphobic stuff on Laverne Cox's Instagram post about Leelah?

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Dan Savage seems to be moving to make up for some of his earlier transgressions against trans people.
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Re: Navigating New Identity Politics

Postby conniption » Sun Aug 05, 2018 3:59 am

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How identity politics makes the Left lose its collective identity

Tomasz Pierscionek
Tomasz Pierscionek is a doctor specialising in psychiatry. He was previously on the board of the charity Medact, is editor of the London Progressive Journal and has appeared as a guest on RT’s Sputnik and Al-Mayadeen’s Kalima Horra.

Published time: 2 Aug, 2018

The identity politics phenomenon sweeping across the Western world is a divide and conquer strategy that prevents the emergence of a genuine resistance to the elites.

A core principle of socialism is the idea of an overarching supra-national solidarity that unites the international working class and overrides any factor that might divide it, such as nation, race, or gender. Workers of all nations are partners, having equal worth and responsibility in a struggle against those who profit from their brain and muscle.

Capitalism, especially in its most evolved, exploitative and heartless form - imperialism - has wronged certain groups of people more than others. Colonial empires tended to reserve their greatest brutality for subjugated peoples whilst the working class of these imperialist nations fared better in comparison, being closer to the crumbs that fell from the table of empire. The international class struggle aims to liberate all people everywhere from the drudgery of capitalism regardless of their past or present degree of oppression. The phrase ‘an injury to one is an injury to all’ encapsulates this mindset and conflicts with the idea of prioritising the interests of one faction of the working class over the entire collective.

Since the latter part of the 20th century, a liberally-inspired tendency has taken root amongst the Left (in the West at least) that encourages departure from a single identity based on class in favour of multiple identities based upon one’s gender, sexuality, race or any other dividing factor. Each subgroup, increasingly alienated from all others, focuses on the shared identity and unique experiences of its members and prioritises its own empowerment. Anyone outside this subgroup is demoted to the rank of ally, at best.

At the time of writing there are apparently over 70 different gender options in the West, not to mention numerous sexualities - the traditional LGBT acronym has thus far grown to LGBTQQIP2SAA. Adding race to the mix results in an even greater number of possible permutations or identities. Each subgroup has its own ideology. Precious time is spent fighting against those deemed less oppressed and telling them to ‘check their privilege’ as the ever-changing pecking order of the ‘Oppression Olympics’ plays out. The rules to this sport are as fluid as the identities taking part. One of the latest dilemmas affecting the identity politics movement is the issue of whether men transitioning to women deserve recognition and acceptance or 'whether trans women aren’t women and are apparently “raping” lesbians'.

The ideology of identity politics asserts that the straight white male is at the apex of the privilege pyramid, responsible for the oppression of all other groups. His original sin condemns him to everlasting shame. While it is true that straight white men (as a group) have faced less obstacles than females, non-straight men or ethnic minorities, the majority of straight white men, past and present, also struggle to survive from paycheck to paycheck and are not personally involved in the oppression of any other group. While most of the world’s wealthiest individuals are Caucasian males, millions of white men exist who are both poor and powerless. The idea of ‘whiteness’ is itself an ambiguous concept involving racial profiling. For example, the Irish, Slavs and Ashkenazi Jews may look white yet have suffered more than their fair share of famines, occupations and genocides throughout the centuries. The idea of tying an individual’s privilege to their appearance is itself a form of racism dreamed up by woolly minded, liberal (some might say privileged) ‘intellectuals’ who would be superfluous in any socialist society.

Is the middle-class ethnic minority lesbian living in Western Europe more oppressed than the whitish looking Syrian residing under ISIS occupation? Is the British white working class male really more privileged than a middle class woman from the same society? Stereotyping based on race, gender or any other factor only leads to alienation and animosity. How can there be unity amongst the Left if we are only loyal to ourselves and those most like us? Some ‘white’ men who feel the Left has nothing to offer them have decided to play the identity politics game in their search of salvation and have drifted towards supporting Trump (a billionaire with whom they have nothing in common) or far-right movements, resulting in further alienation, animosity and powerlessness which in turn only strengthens the position of the top 1%. People around the world are more divided by class than any other factor.

It is much easier to ‘struggle’ against an equally or slightly less oppressed group than to take the time and effort to unite with them against the common enemy - capitalism. Fighting oppression through identity politics is at best a lazy, perverse and fetishistic form of the class struggle led by mostly liberal, middle class and tertiary-educated activists who understand little of left-wing political theory. At worst it is yet another tool used by the top 1% to divide the other 99% into 99 or 999 different competing groups who are too preoccupied with fighting their own little corner to challenge the status quo. It is ironic that one of the major donors to the faux-left identity politics movement is the privileged white cisgender male billionaire George Soros, whose NGOs helped orchestrate the Euromaidan protests in Ukraine that gave way to the emergence of far right and neo-nazi movements: the kind of people who believe in racial superiority and do not look kindly on diversity.

There is a carefully crafted misconception that identity politics derives from Marxist thought and the meaningless phrase ‘cultural Marxism’, which has more to do with liberal culture than Marxism, is used to sell this line of thinking. Not only does identity politics have nothing in common with Marxism, socialism or any other strand of traditional left-wing thought, it is anathema to the very concept.

‘An injury to one is an injury to all’ has been replaced with something like ‘An injury to me is all that matters’. No socialist country, whether in practice or in name only, promoted identity politics. Neither the African and Asian nations that liberated themselves from colonialist oppression nor the USSR and Eastern Bloc states nor the left-wing movements that sprung up across Latin America in the early 21st century had any time to play identity politics.

The idea that identity politics is part of traditional left-wing thought is promoted by the right who seek to demonise left wing-movements, liberals who seek to infiltrate, backstab and destroy said left-wing movements, and misguided young radicals who know nothing about political theory and have neither the patience nor discipline to learn. The last group seek a cheap thrill that makes them feel as if they have shaken the foundations of the establishment when in reality they strengthen it.

Identity politics is typically a modern middle-class led phenomenon that helps those in charge keep the masses divided and distracted. In the West you are free to choose any gender or sexuality, transition between these at whim, or perhaps create your own, but you are not allowed to question the foundations of capitalism or liberalism. Identity politics is the new opiate of the masses and prevents organised resistance against the system. Segments of the Western Left even believe such aforementioned ‘freedoms’ are a bellwether of progress and an indicator of its cultural superiority, one that warrants export abroad be it softly via NGOs or more bluntly through colour revolutions and regime change.

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/434924-left-po ... y-divided/
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Re: Navigating New Identity Politics

Postby American Dream » Sun Aug 05, 2018 6:11 am

Sorry conniption, but that sort of identity vs. class dichotomy is by now sounding pretty old and tired. After so much thought and discourse, it should be abundantly clear that there is a higher synthesis...
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Re: Navigating New Identity Politics

Postby conniption » Sun Aug 05, 2018 7:44 am

American Dream wrote:Sorry conniption, but that sort of identity vs. class dichotomy is by now sounding pretty old and tired. After so much thought and discourse, it should be abundantly clear that there is a higher synthesis...


"Old and tired" ... that's me.

sorry right back at ya, AD,
I happen to agree with the gentleman..
"People around the world are more divided by class than any other factor."

"thought and discourse" indeed. lol We call that shit stirrin' where I come from...but you are the pro, so...whatever.
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Re: Navigating New Identity Politics

Postby American Dream » Sun Aug 05, 2018 7:51 am

It's still not either/or in any way. The banner of class politics can be wielded for agenda that are: liberal, progressive, stalinist, or anything else. The Devil's in the details.

In no way does the reality of Class eliminate the fact that our everyday experience of the economic regime is mediated through important realities of Race, Gender, and other hugely important factors that might superficially be derided as "identity politics".
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Re: Navigating New Identity Politics

Postby Heaven Swan » Sun Aug 05, 2018 9:46 am

From above article—
How identity politics makes the Left lose its collective identity

Tomasz Pierscionek

“The identity politics phenomenon sweeping across the Western world is a divide and conquer strategy that prevents the emergence of a genuine resistance to the elites.

A core principle of socialism is the idea of an overarching supra-national solidarity that unites the international working class and overrides any factor that might divide it, such as nation, race, or gender. Workers of all nations are partners, having equal worth and responsibility in a struggle against those who profit from their brain and muscle....”


American Dream wrote:

Sorry conniption, but that sort of identity vs. class dichotomy is by now sounding pretty old and tired. After so much thought and discourse, it should be abundantly clear that there is a higher synthesis...



Is the “higher synthesis” the one championed by the Evergreen U students in their crusade against “racist” professors? The same “higher synthesis” i.e. identity politics, that’s been nurtured and promoted on elite campuses then diffused far and wide? The same synthesis that allows GenXers and Millenials that grew up with zero experience in the left and no knowledge of the basic tenets of socialism or even feminism to assert that they are activists because they’re working a corporate job that POC, women (or insert oppressed group) were previously excluded from? Such people have told me to my face that they see liberal politics as their tribe competing with the others for coveted jobs and resources.

How on earth can a “higher synthesis” that leads to intertribal warfare be defended as progress?

I agree with the author that we need to go back to a class analysis. The alternative is the destruction of the left by way of infighting and political ignorance. Picking up on the discussion from the other thread...
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=41187
...maybe the end of the left and the right wouldn’t be such a bad thing, as long as a new movement that truly addresses people’s needs rises up from the ashes.
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Re: Navigating New Identity Politics

Postby American Dream » Sun Aug 05, 2018 9:55 am

No, the higher synthesis has little to nothing to do with the sort of privilege politics blamed on the opponents of Brett Weinstein, who actually were/are an ideologically diverse group.
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Re: Navigating New Identity Politics

Postby Heaven Swan » Sun Aug 05, 2018 10:08 am

American Dream » Sun Aug 05, 2018 9:55 am wrote:No, the higher synthesis has little to nothing to do with the sort of privilege politics blamed on the opponents of Brett Weinstein, who actually were/are an ideologically diverse group.


So what is this higher synthesis then?
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Re: Navigating New Identity Politics

Postby American Dream » Sun Aug 05, 2018 10:54 am

See the privilege politics link in my previous post for a point in the right direction.
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Re: Navigating New Identity Politics

Postby Heaven Swan » Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:03 am

American Dream » Sun Aug 05, 2018 10:54 am wrote:See the privilege politics link in my previous post for a point in the right direction.


I read that. It’s from 2012 and doesn’t really address the issues we are facing today.
If you’re so clear and convinced that the higher synthesis you refer to is superior, I’d like to hear from you, in your own words, what exactly this higher synthesis is.
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Re: Navigating New Identity Politics

Postby American Dream » Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:42 am

What is this fundamental and defining difference you see between 2012 and now?

Capitalism has long been the dominant mode of production. Patriarchy and State have longer histories, as does Racism.
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Re: Navigating New Identity Politics

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:53 am

American Dream » Sun Aug 05, 2018 10:42 am wrote:What is this fundamental and defining difference you see between 2012 and now?


Trends changed and now you have to say different things to pick up chicks at protests?

In 2012 you thought that "otherkin" riff was "like a bad joke," but in 2018, that's pure cishet bigotry. Really makes you wonder what the fate of "minor attracted persons" will be in 2022.

It's going to keep being the same spectacle every time -- triggering incident, lots of media hand-wringing, choosing celebrities to be The Face Of The Movement, explainers in Vox and videos on Facebook about The Right Words And How To Use Them, then magazine covers and ads on TV. We will never run out of new minorities or niche sexualities. The shows on TV will keep getting more diverse and the world will keep burning. It's an exciting time to be alive, all in all.
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Re: Navigating New Identity Politics

Postby seemslikeadream » Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:55 am

Trends changed and now you have to say different things to pick up chicks at protests?


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"My name is Dishglove Fannypack, and I'm here to own the libs."

The fanny pack really ties the whole outfit together don't you think?

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Sperm banks accept donations

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It’s why birth control should be free for women and abortion subsidized by gov’t


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Re: Navigating New Identity Politics

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:09 pm

SLAD, I'm talking about the other side of the front line ... you know, the only side with "chicks" to begin with. Thanks for the .jpgs, though, it's important to keep RI looking just like our Facebook feed, otherwise ... how can we get any thinking done?

Chan culture is not a reproductive strategy, hence the "incel" mockery -- but male feminism definitely is.

A decade ago is was acceptable and normal to joke about transexuals because they didn't have their PR or street-level organizing together yet. Presumably all the pundits and comedians who were mocking "Trannies" back then have completely purged their souls of that darkness, rather than made a cynical decision to go with the flow. How could anyone question the commitment of Barclays to human rights, for instance? This whole rainbow flag movement on Madison Avenue is at least as serious as when they were all "Going Green" ten years ago, right?

As long we keep looking up to the screen god for validation we're going to keep losing all of these fights.

At least we'll have the consolation of being right, or something.
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