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Rand and Ron Paul scrape you off their shoes.

Postby barracuda » Sun Jul 08, 2012 2:52 am

That didn't take long. Nothing quite says, "Guess I'm never running for the presidency again!" like wiping your feet on the faces of your small, grass-roots internet donors while fumbling for the corporate tit:

Rand and Ron Paul Denounce Net Neutrality and the Public Domain

Rand and Ron Paul have penned an Internet Freedom manifesto that is pretty terrible. It pans the idea of net neutrality, arguing that the phone companies who receive gigantic government handouts in the form of cheap (or free) rights of ways and hold natural monopolies over our connectivity should be able to use that government largesse to run a protection racket in which any website that doesn't pay for "premium carriage" will be slowed down when you or I try to visit them. They also denounce the public domain as a collectivist plot, and argue that government monopolies over knowledge should be extended, and that tax-dollars should be used to enforce them. TechDirt's Mike Masnick has some choice words for the Pauls:

    To them, any support of a neutral internet must be about "coercive state actions" and "collective rule" over "privately owned broadband high-speed infrastructure." This makes me curious if the Pauls spoke out against the billions and billions in subsidies and rights of way grants that the government provided the telcos and cable providers to build their networks. Once again, I am against regulating net neutrality -- because it's obvious that the telcos will control that process and the regulations will favor them against the public -- but pretending that broadband infrastructure is really "privately owned" when so much of it involved tax-payer-funded subsidies and rights of way is being in denial.

    Then there's the following, where they claim that these evil "collectivists" want to limit "private property rights on the internet" and are saying that "what is considered to be in the public domain should be greatly expanded." Considering the Pauls were both instrumental in the fight against SOPA and PIPA, you would think that the two of them understood how copyright law is massively abused and how beneficial the public domain is. But apparently not. To them it's all part of this "collectivist" plot. Earth to the Pauls: copyright is a massive government-granted monopoly privilege. That's the kind of thing we thought you were against, not for. In this document, you seem to be arguing for one of the largest programs in the world of a centralized government handing out private monopoly privileges.
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Re: Rand and Ron Paul scrape you off their shoes.

Postby barracuda » Sun Jul 08, 2012 2:55 am

Here's the abomination:

The Technology Revolution
 - A Campaign for Liberty Manifesto

This is what a technology revolution looks like:

New innovators create vast new markets where none existed previously; Individual genius enabled by the truly free market the Internet represents routes around obsolete and ineffective government attempts at control; The arrogant attempts of governments to centralize, intervene, subsidize, micromanage and regulate innovation is scoffed at and ignored.

The revolution is occurring around the world.
It is occurring in the private sector, not the public sector.
It is occurring despite wrongheaded attempts by governments to micromanage markets through disastrous industrial policy.

And it is driven by the Internet, the single greatest catalyst in history for individual liberty and free markets.
The true technology revolutionaries have little need for big government and never have. Microsoft ignored the government for years and changed the world by leading the PC revolution.

Today, companies like Apple -- which has created several completely new markets out of whole cloth (iPhone, iPad, iTunes, and iPod) -- are changing the world again, successfully adopting visionary new revenue models for movies, songs and games, and launching an “app economy” responsible for creating almost half a million jobs in the United States since the iPhone was introduced...

All in less than 5 years, and all without government permission, partnerships, subsidies, or regulations!

Technology revolutionaries succeeded not because of some collectivist vision that seeks to regulate “fairness”, “neutrality”, “privacy” or “competition” through coercive state actions, or that views the Internet and technology as a vast commons that must be freely available to all, but rather because of the same belief as America’s Founders who understood that private property is the foundation of prosperity and freedom itself.
Technology revolutionaries succeed because of the decentralized nature of the Internet, which defies government control.

As a consequence, decentralization has unlocked individual self-empowerment, entrepreneurialism, creativity, innovation and the creation of new markets in ways never before imagined in human history.

But, ironically, just as decentralization has unleashed the potential for free markets and individual freedom on a global scale, collectivist special interests and governments worldwide are now tirelessly pushing for more centralized control of the Internet and technology.

Here at home they are aided and abetted both by an Administration that wholeheartedly believes in the wisdom of government to manage markets and some in the technology industry that cynically use the cudgel of government control and regulation to hamstring competitors – the Apple’s and Microsoft’s of tomorrow.
Internet collectivism takes many forms, all of them pernicious.

Among the most insidious are government attempts to control and regulate competition, infrastructure, privacy and intellectual property. According to them;

      Successful companies in brand new frontier industries that didn’t even exist as recently as five years ago should be penalized and intimidated with antitrust actions in the name of “fairness” and “competition.”

      Privately owned broadband high-speed infrastructure must be subject to collective rule via public ownership and government regulations that require “sharing” with other competitors.

      Internet infrastructure must be treated as a commons subject to centralized government control through a variety of foolish “public interest” and “fairness” regulations.

      Wireless, the lifeblood of the mobile Internet revolution, must be micromanaged as a government-controlled commons, with limited exclusive property rights.

      Private property rights on the Internet should exist in limited fashion or not at all, and what is considered to be in the public domain should be greatly expanded.

      Private sector data collection practices must be scrutinized and tightly regulated in the name of “protecting consumers”, at the same time as government’s warrantless surveillance and collection of private citizens’ Internet data has dramatically increased.


Internet collectivists are clever. 
They are masters at hijacking the language of freedom and liberty to disingenuously push for more centralized control. 
“Openness” means government control of privately owned infrastructure. 
“Net neutrality” means government acting as arbiter and enforcer of what it deems to be "neutral".

“Internet freedom” means the destruction of property rights.

“Competition” means managed competition, with the government acting as judge and jury on what constitutes competition and what does not.

Our “right to privacy” only applies to the data collection activities of the private sector, rarely to government.

The eminent economist Ludwig von Mises wrote that when government seeks to solve one problem, it creates two more.

Nowhere is this more evident than in the realm of Internet collectivists and the centralized control of the Internet they seek.

The body of incremental communications law and regulation that has emerged since the days of Alexander Graham Bell are entirely unsuited to the dynamic and ever-changing Internet for one simple reason:

Technology is evolving faster than government’s ability to regulate it.

Ronald Reagan once said, "Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction." But in the Internet era, true Internet freedom can be lost in far less than one generation.

Around the world, the real threat to Internet freedom comes not from bad people or inefficient markets -- we can and will always route around them -- but from governments' foolish attempts to manage and control innovation.

And it is not just the tyrannies we must fear. The road away from freedom is paved with good intentions.

Today, the road to tyranny is being paved by a collectivist-Industrial complex -- a dangerous brew of wealthy, international NGO's, progressive do-gooders, corporate cronies and sympathetic political elites.

Their goals are clear: The collectivist-industrial complex seeks to undermine free markets and property rights, replacing them with "benevolent" government control and a vision of "free" that quickly evolves from "free speech" to "free stuff."

We know where this path leads. As Thomas Jefferson said, "The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground."

A benevolent monopoly for "the public interest" is nothing more than a means for the old guard to reassert their power. The role of the government on the Internet is to protect us from force and fraud, not to decide our interests.

But while the Internet has produced a revolution, it has not, in fact, "changed everything".

We do not need to reinvent our principles for the web; we only need apply our core principles to it. When faced with Internet regulation, we should ask these key questions:

    1. Is this a core function of the federal government?
    2. Does it execute Constitutionally defined duties?
    3. Does it protect Constitutionally defined rights?
    
4. Does it protect property rights?
    5. Does it protect individual rights?
    
6. If the federal government does not do this, will others?
    
7.Will this policy or regulation allow the market to decide outcomes or will it distort the market for political ends?
    
8. Is this policy or regulation clear and specific, with defined metrics and limitations?

Yes, there will always be problems and challenges that exist in the online universe. These challenges are sometimes significant and important and other times not. Government, however, will never solve them. Markets will.

As a matter of principle, we oppose any attempt by Government to tax, regulate, monitor or control the Internet, and we oppose the Internet collectivists who collaborate with the government against Internet freedom.

This is our revolution.... Government needs to get out of the way.
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Re: Rand and Ron Paul scrape you off their shoes.

Postby justdrew » Sun Jul 08, 2012 2:57 am

... up next, the Paul family redefine lynching as a free speech issue ...
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Re: Rand and Ron Paul scrape you off their shoes.

Postby 8bitagent » Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:06 am

justdrew wrote:... up next, the Paul family redefine lynching as a free speech issue ...


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Re: Rand and Ron Paul scrape you off their shoes.

Postby justdrew » Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:56 am

barracuda wrote:Here's the abomination:

The Technology Revolution
 - A Campaign for Liberty Manifesto

This is what a technology revolution looks like:

New innovators create vast new markets where none existed previously; Individual genius enabled by the truly free market the Internet represents routes around obsolete and ineffective government attempts at control; The arrogant attempts of governments to centralize, intervene, subsidize, micromanage and regulate innovation is scoffed at and ignored.

...

This is our revolution.... Government needs to get out of the way.


as our every email and ip packet are routed even now though NSA/chinese/iranian/russian deep packet inspection hardware. Look at how the private sector SCOFFS AT and IGNORES government attempts at censorship! indeed! oh wait, they're grovelling to see who can aid the most and who can sell the platform and hardware to do it with. nevermind.

it's 1994 again in Paul-land! I dont think this is going anywhere. It's literally hogwash.

http://tech.slashdot.org/story/12/07/06/0021254/ron-pauls-new-primary-goal-is-internet-freedom
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Re: Rand and Ron Paul scrape you off their shoes.

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sun Jul 08, 2012 9:36 am

Nosebleed-inducing cognitive dissonance. Rand and Ron know better than to pretend there is actually a firewall -- or even a cubicle partition -- between the corporate and government goals and roles with respect to IT. Even their Libertarded nightmares of "government control of the internet" would manifest themselves as...windfalls for private contractors and a free market panopticon.

I am open to the argument that this already happened in the late 90's.
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Re: Rand and Ron Paul scrape you off their shoes.

Postby JackRiddler » Sun Jul 08, 2012 10:52 am

People were always willing to look past the evident Paul priorities, because of the admirably blunt positions on empire and drug war (and the admirably blunt but foolish position on banking). These were never primary, however. Paul's "left" support was foolish. It was always clear that there was more passion and energy in him to condemn the IRS, corporate regulation and programs like Social Security, than to scale back the Pentagon or the deep state or the prison-industrial-drug war complex. Even in the latter cases, it was not about doing the right thing but reducing the all-purpose lone evil known as "government." He would abolish the Federal Reserve not because it's the bankers lobby within the state but because any regulation on banking is odious; they should be free not only to fail but to eat you in the process. The "special interests" of the public are evil (if rather vague and general) "collectivism," the Borg collectivism of the corporations and the corporate-owned state is "freedom."
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Re: Rand and Ron Paul scrape you off their shoes.

Postby wordspeak2 » Sun Jul 08, 2012 1:42 pm

Well-said, JR.
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Re: Rand and Ron Paul scrape you off their shoes.

Postby Iamwhomiam » Sun Jul 08, 2012 1:51 pm

Finally! A thread about the Pauls with a proper and fitting title.
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Re: Rand and Ron Paul scrape you off their shoes.

Postby jingofever » Sun Jul 08, 2012 2:35 pm

What do a Congressman and a Senator know about innovation?

This is what a technology revolution looks like: New innovators create vast new markets where none existed previously; Individual genius enabled by the truly free market the Internet represents routes around obsolete and ineffective government attempts at control; The arrogant attempts of governments to centralize, intervene, subsidize, micromanage and regulate innovation is scoffed at and ignored.

This is an Ayn Rand fantasy. None of the engineers and designers at Apple or any internet company were scoffing at the government unless they were scoffing at drug laws or were working for Megaupload or other file-sharing websites. The Pauls seem to think the government is constantly hovering over tech companies trying to stifle any "innovation". That if given half a chance, the government would have outlawed iPads.
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Re: Rand and Ron Paul scrape you off their shoes.

Postby 2012 Countdown » Sun Jul 08, 2012 3:19 pm

Very interesting and quite expected by Rand. I never trusted that POS. An innocent interpretation is Daddy is selling out to help sonny boy.
What is sad is that many who are proponents of net neutrality will now be against it because of their blind Paul worship. Divide them/us once again.
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Re: Rand and Ron Paul scrape you off their shoes.

Postby justdrew » Sun Jul 08, 2012 3:20 pm

when are these clowns going to attack the primary point at which the gubamint oppresses us?! High time they go after repressive traffic laws. Da gubamint has no right to tell me when and how to drive my car, if I want to scoff at that stop sign, that's my bidniss!
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Re: Rand and Ron Paul scrape you off their shoes.

Postby JackRiddler » Sun Jul 08, 2012 3:55 pm

jingofever wrote:What do a Congressman and a Senator know about innovation?


You'd think politicians would know DARPA, CERN, non-profit universities and state-owned telecoms invested in R&D ceaselessly and at a loss for 30 years before the entrepreneurial Internet as we know it became possible in the 1990s, as the fruit of public funding. You'd think they'd know the Unix software backbone for most servers as well as Apple OS is Copyright The Regents of the State University of California.

JackRiddler wrote:.

Helping someone prepare a class, I collected a selection of graphic depictions of the Internet (some of which I've seen here before or posted myself), and I just thought, why not share it here?

A. EARLY PLANS FOR DECENTRALIZED GENERAL NETWORKS

1) Larry Roberts' sketch of a proposal for an ARPANET, late 1960s.
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This Internet pioneer is interviewed in the German documentary about the Unabomber and the transhumanists, Das Netz. (There's a post about that here somewhere.)

Picked it up here, where there are a series of early Internet topologies through 1991:
http://personalpages.manchester.ac.uk/s ... rical.html

2) On that page you will also see one of the first RAND proposals from the 1960s, for a communications network that would survive a nuclear attack (the original idea behind ARPANET and the Internet).
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3) Plan of ARPANET/MILNET/INTERNET from 1987 in which it looks like a circuit board and is still very easy to depict:
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It should be noted networks accessible by modem to users around the world in 1987 were already much bigger than that. I believe USENET already existed. There were post-office networks in widespread use in France and Germany offering many services that would be familiar to us today, including message boards, places to download software and trade stuff, etc.

4) Tim Berners-Lee with a 1989 sketch of his idea for a World Wide Web based on the HyperText Markup Language:
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I do not purport to understand what the hell that's supposed to mean, but obviously it was of great consequence.

Also picked up from the Manchester collection, here:
http://personalpages.manchester.ac.uk/s ... ptual.html

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B. CABLE INFRASTRUCTURE, GEOGRAPHIC

5) "The Internet in 1901"
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From http://www.edge.org/documents/Edge-Serp ... ge-57.html

SNIP


Much more at my favorite most-ignored JackRiddler thread:

Take Over the Internet And Rule the World!
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Re: Rand and Ron Paul scrape you off their shoes.

Postby jingofever » Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:29 pm

JackRiddler wrote:You'd think they'd know the Unix software backbone for most servers as well as Apple OS is Copyright The Regents of the State University of California.

That is only BSD. Unix was developed by AT&T but anybody can create their own version because it was collectivized, I mean opened. I suspect Linux is the most popular Unix flavor for servers and that is under a license that is rather hostile towards Pauline ideas of private property. But I don't expect the Pauls or other legislators to know that or any internet history.
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Re: Rand and Ron Paul scrape you off their shoes.

Postby JackRiddler » Sun Jul 08, 2012 5:37 pm

jingofever wrote:
JackRiddler wrote:You'd think they'd know the Unix software backbone for most servers as well as Apple OS is Copyright The Regents of the State University of California.

That is only BSD. Unix was developed by AT&T but anybody can create their own version because it was collectivized, I mean opened. I suspect Linux is the most popular Unix flavor for servers and that is under a license that is rather hostile towards Pauline ideas of private property. But I don't expect the Pauls or other legislators to know that or any internet history.


But I appreciate learning it from you.

wikipedia wrote:Berkeley Software Distribution (BSD, sometimes called Berkeley Unix) is a Unix operating system derivative developed and distributed by the Computer Systems Research Group (CSRG) of the University of California, Berkeley, from 1977 to 1995. Today the term "BSD" is often used non-specifically to refer to any of the BSD descendants which together form a branch of the family of Unix-like operating systems. Operating systems derived from the original BSD code remain actively developed and widely used.

Historically, BSD has been considered a branch of UNIX—"BSD UNIX", because it shared the initial codebase and design with the original AT&T UNIX operating system. In the 1980s, BSD was widely adopted by vendors of workstation-class systems in the form of proprietary UNIX variants such as DEC ULTRIX and Sun Microsystems SunOS. This can be attributed to the ease with which it could be licensed, and the familiarity it found among the founders of many technology companies of this era.

Though these proprietary BSD derivatives were largely superseded by the UNIX System V Release 4 and OSF/1 systems in the 1990s (both of which incorporated BSD code and are the basis of other modern Unix systems), later BSD releases provided a basis for several open source development projects, e.g. FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD or DragonFly, that are ongoing. These, in turn, have been incorporated in whole or in part in modern proprietary operating systems, e.g. the TCP/IP (IPv4 only) networking code in Microsoft Windows or the foundation of Apple's Mac OS X.


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