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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby Luther Blissett » Tue Aug 14, 2012 3:11 pm

I'd like to say something anecdotal about the price of firepower in the Aurora shooting (and any others in which it is mentioned) — $10K is a lot, but so is $3-5K. I think that I make pretty good money (much better than unemployed grad students) but could never shell out that much for anything. I'm probably in the fourth quintile and still live paycheck to paycheck, don't own a home, and don't own a vehicle. I could build a $3K collection of anything over some time, but not in the short frames most of these shooters are reported to have had.

I don't think many Americans are doing well enough to throw around what I consider to be pretty large sums of cash. I'm not saying it's definitive proof that the arsenals were given to the killers outright; I think I just feel a twinge of negative emotions when $3K is treated like petty pocket change.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby 8bitagent » Tue Aug 14, 2012 3:22 pm

CLK wrote:
8bitagent wrote:CLK/Secret Sun, thanks for posting!

Someone a few pages back mused how the Alex Jones types view these events as "staged in order to take away gun rights". But gun rights are never stripped. The person mentioned gun sales go through the roof every time these events occur due to the conspiracy belief that the gub'ment gonna grab the guns. I believe OKC 1995 was a deep state event, however there's no doubt Mcveigh was obsessed and immersed in early-mid 90's southern gun circuit white militia conspiracy beliefs(ZOG, gun grabbing, etc)

CLK mentions a lot of the main gun events since VT Tech(again, something about that OKC/hitler birth time period) but while in the last couple years the psychos have been non right wing youth(Loughner, Holmes) for several years we must remember so much of the gun and violent events were by crazed Fox News watching nuts. Holocaust museum shooting, Pentagon shooting,
Austin TX IRS plane attack, Pittsburgh trap where 4 cops were killed by a right winger, Dr Till shooting, etc.

I do agree that the conspiracy isn't to "grab guns" but to FLOOD every nook and cranny with guns, ratchet up the rhetoric and create a tense atmosphere and climate to set everything off.
You look at popular video game series, and the third or fourth game usually moves away from exotic foreign fronts and brings the violence to the heartland of America(new Black Ops, new Assassins Creed, Modern Warfare 2, etc) In the 90's white nationalists talked of a "race war", but is America that far removed from the 1992 period or even 1968?
In leftist circles, we may have issues with Obama and some Democrats feeling they have betrayed progressive ideals. But in right wing world, they talk of guns and violent revolutions.

And we saw in Tuscon, your theory manifest wildly with not just a shooting in a Democratic district...but the near assassination of a popular Democrat.
That "Safeway" to hell, and all that's come soon. I hope Aurora isn't a harbinger, yet relatively speaking(other than Syria) it's been an eerily quiet 2012.


Thanks 8- I very much agree- in fact, I made a lot of the same points on my blog. Alex Jones is 1000% controlled by the extreme right fringe of the Republican Party, he doesn't even bother to hide it anymore. He's also one of the most disturbing pathological liars I've ever seen in the media.

But stop the presses- here's yet ANOTHER "random" shooting in yet another Democratic district. http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/crime-law/woman-charged-random-grocery-store-shooting-3-men/nQ9q4/


Alex Jones I came to feel has the demeanor of an abusive father or step father you have to constantly walk on egg shells with(something I know all too well sadly) I spoke with AJ at a 'conference' in LA some years back, and Im not sure how people can stand being around such a hot head. Something about the Obama period has pushed him further to the right. In the Bush years he used to have more leftist guests, but he's gone almost completely right wing with the gun obsession/anti "illegals"/climate denial/attack on "socialism".

I'm not sure what is truly the spark for all these shootings. The only case I can confidently say there was a "mind controlled killer" aspect was the Sirhan Sirhan/RFK event...as well some things to me indicate a deep state connection to the DC Beltway Sniper case(particularly some of the instructions and clues as well as the FBI woman killed)
But perhaps as Jeff once quipped, it's midnight in America...or something is in the air.

The media reaction to the Trayvon case, while clearly not a planned event and more of just a random organic situation, felt like a trial balloon. That tragic incident at Twin Lakes
oepned up a strange David Lynchian prism into something still brewing and nasty right below the surface. My fear has long been that you might see something shocking or a series of shocking events to create LA riot tension and chaos on a mass scale, which in itself is meant to rile up all those good ol boy gun owners.

In my thread here I lament how it may not be the mythical "staged nuclear false flag 9/11" deep politic/conspiracy sirens believe will happen, but something a little all too American
that any "PTB" may have up their sleeves. As race and violence internally ultimately seems to be the pie crust of America, not 9/11 hysteria
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby CLK » Tue Aug 14, 2012 3:40 pm

8bitagent wrote:
CLK wrote:
8bitagent wrote:CLK/Secret Sun, thanks for posting!

Someone a few pages back mused how the Alex Jones types view these events as "staged in order to take away gun rights". But gun rights are never stripped. The person mentioned gun sales go through the roof every time these events occur due to the conspiracy belief that the gub'ment gonna grab the guns. I believe OKC 1995 was a deep state event, however there's no doubt Mcveigh was obsessed and immersed in early-mid 90's southern gun circuit white militia conspiracy beliefs(ZOG, gun grabbing, etc)

CLK mentions a lot of the main gun events since VT Tech(again, something about that OKC/hitler birth time period) but while in the last couple years the psychos have been non right wing youth(Loughner, Holmes) for several years we must remember so much of the gun and violent events were by crazed Fox News watching nuts. Holocaust museum shooting, Pentagon shooting,
Austin TX IRS plane attack, Pittsburgh trap where 4 cops were killed by a right winger, Dr Till shooting, etc.

I do agree that the conspiracy isn't to "grab guns" but to FLOOD every nook and cranny with guns, ratchet up the rhetoric and create a tense atmosphere and climate to set everything off.
You look at popular video game series, and the third or fourth game usually moves away from exotic foreign fronts and brings the violence to the heartland of America(new Black Ops, new Assassins Creed, Modern Warfare 2, etc) In the 90's white nationalists talked of a "race war", but is America that far removed from the 1992 period or even 1968?
In leftist circles, we may have issues with Obama and some Democrats feeling they have betrayed progressive ideals. But in right wing world, they talk of guns and violent revolutions.

And we saw in Tuscon, your theory manifest wildly with not just a shooting in a Democratic district...but the near assassination of a popular Democrat.
That "Safeway" to hell, and all that's come soon. I hope Aurora isn't a harbinger, yet relatively speaking(other than Syria) it's been an eerily quiet 2012.


Thanks 8- I very much agree- in fact, I made a lot of the same points on my blog. Alex Jones is 1000% controlled by the extreme right fringe of the Republican Party, he doesn't even bother to hide it anymore. He's also one of the most disturbing pathological liars I've ever seen in the media.

But stop the presses- here's yet ANOTHER "random" shooting in yet another Democratic district. http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/crime-law/woman-charged-random-grocery-store-shooting-3-men/nQ9q4/


Alex Jones I came to feel has the demeanor of an abusive father or step father you have to constantly walk on egg shells with(something I know all too well sadly) I spoke with AJ at a 'conference' in LA some years back, and Im not sure how people can stand being around such a hot head. Something about the Obama period has pushed him further to the right. In the Bush years he used to have more leftist guests, but he's gone almost completely right wing with the gun obsession/anti "illegals"/climate denial/attack on "socialism".

I'm not sure what is truly the spark for all these shootings. The only case I can confidently say there was a "mind controlled killer" aspect was the Sirhan Sirhan/RFK event...as well some things to me indicate a deep state connection to the DC Beltway Sniper case(particularly some of the instructions and clues as well as the FBI woman killed)
But perhaps as Jeff once quipped, it's midnight in America...or something is in the air.

The media reaction to the Trayvon case, while clearly not a planned event and more of just a random organic situation, felt like a trial balloon. That tragic incident at Twin Lakes
oepned up a strange David Lynchian prism into something still brewing and nasty right below the surface. My fear has long been that you might see something shocking or a series of shocking events to create LA riot tension and chaos on a mass scale, which in itself is meant to rile up all those good ol boy gun owners.

In my thread here I lament how it may not be the mythical "staged nuclear false flag 9/11" deep politic/conspiracy sirens believe will happen, but something a little all too American
that any "PTB" may have up their sleeves. As race and violence internally ultimately seems to be the pie crust of America, not 9/11 hysteria
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/ ... =8&t=34396


Well, you don't necessarily need to include the government in these shootings- it could be the work of a bunch of rich extremists trying to do a LARP of The Turner Diaries.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby 8bitagent » Tue Aug 14, 2012 5:35 pm

CLK wrote:

Well, you don't necessarily need to include the government in these shootings- it could be the work of a bunch of rich extremists trying to do a LARP of The Turner Diaries.



Oh man, welcome aboard...I've been missing that sort of wit.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby chump » Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:55 am

This is weird...

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http://www.yumapioneer.com/index.php?op ... &Itemid=39

Authorities investigating an apparent double homicide in southern Yuma County
Written by Tony Rayl Monday, 13 August 2012

The Yuma County Sheriff's Office and Colorado Bureau of Investigation are investigating an apparent double-homicide at a rural residence in southern Yuma County, located about one mile north of Highway 36 near the community of Kirk.

The incident occurred this morning, August 13, 2012.

Both victims are females, and a male suspect is in custody.

Yuma County Sheriff Chad Day said it is believed all three are related to each other, but was not releasing any names until the victims had been positively identified. The bodies remained in the residence as of late this afternoon as authorities waited for CBI's mobile lab to arrive.

Authorities were alerted to the situation when a female called 911 at 10:35 a.m., gave her address and said she needed the Sheriff's Department before hanging up. The first deputies from Wray arrived at the remote scene in 35 minutes.

At last report, Sheriff Day said the judge who signed the search warrant for the residence also has issued a gag order, limiting the sort of details that will be made available to the public.



http://www.yumapioneer.com/index.php?op ... &Itemid=39


Withrow advised; caused disturbance in Aurora recently
Written by Tony Rayl Wednesday, 15 August 2012

Murder suspect Tyler Withrow appeared in Yuma County District Court, Tuesday afternoon, for his advisement.

The Pioneer also learned overnight and earlier this morning of an incident involving Withrow at townhouse complex in Aurora, on July 27. The Denver Post has since reported about the incident on its website.


Judge Michael Singer presided over the court proceeding via closed circuit television. District Attorney Robert Watson participated in the same manner.

The judged advised Withrow that he would be charged with two counts of homicide in the first degree.

Withrow's court-appointed public defender, Damon Brune, pressed for a date when “discovery” relevant to the crime scene and other aspects will be granted. Watson countered that it can be done when the investigation is complete, within 48 hours.

The next hearing in the case was set for Tuesday, September 4, at 9:35 a.m. to review matters and general status of the case.

Withrow was described by a witness at the hearing as about 5-foot-9, of slight build, weighing about 140-150 pounds. He reportedly appeared calm and rational at the advisement.

He created a disturbance on July 27 at the complex where he apparently was living. He reportedly was bleeding, attacked other people, and broke windows while running around naked. Police finally had to taser him in order to apprehend him and take him to the hospital.

However, according to the Post report, Aurora police never did arrest him, leaving him at the hospital. Authorities were in the process of securing a warrant.


It is believed Withrow is related to the victims. The Yuma County Sheriff’s Office is not releasing their names until after an autopsy is conducted Thursday morning.



http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_21323 ... ring-comic


... Court records show Withrow remains under investigation by Aurora police for a July 27 incident at a townhome complex. Withrow had contact with Aurora police during a disturbance in the 2500 block of South Victor Street, said Sgt. Cassidee Carlson, a police spokeswoman.

Public records show Withrow lives on the block.

When officers arrived at the complex, they found Withrow naked in a neighbor's garage, where he was smashing car windows with a golf club.

Withrow was not lucid and refused to comply with — or didn't understand — police commands, Carlson said.

Officers used a Taser on Withrow, and he was brought to a hospital to be treated for minor injuries. The hospital held Withrow because of his mental state before releasing him.

He was not arrested the day of the Aurora incident, but police were applying for an arrest warrant in the case, Carlson said. Withrow was under investigation for criminal mischief, burglary and resisting arrest...


...Withrow professed an interest in necromancy, the occult practice of raising the dead to gain information, but, the news release stated, "While not studying necromancy with the intent to raise the dead to destroy the world as you know it and rebuild it in my own image, I am a Denver comic available for master of ceremony duties. Cheap."

His blog and Twitter account were taken down Wednesday...


http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/20 ... murder.php

Tyler Withrow, self-described "unhinged" stand-up comic, charged with double murder

Tyler Withrow is reportedly a budding stand-up comic and author of two e-books, including one whose title begins, What Unhinged Tyler Withrow. Now, however, that question has a decidedly unfunny application, given that Withrow has been arrested for the murders of two women in Yuma County.

Much of Withrow's online presence has been scrubbed. His personal website, TylerWithrowUnhinged, is in maintenance mode right now, and the Denver Post reports that his Twitter account is also down. Moreover, his MySpace page, listed under the name President Tyler, is only viewable my friends. At this writing, however, Barnes & Noble still features two e-books he authored...
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby brekin » Thu Aug 16, 2012 2:18 pm

Guess there is video at the webpage, but I haven't viewed it.

Mustaine: Obama staged Aurora shootings
The Megadeth singer tells fans that the Dark Knight and Sikh temple shootings were a conspiracy to limit gun rights
http://www.salon.com/2012/08/16/megadet ... shootings/

When did Dave Mustaine trade in heavy metal for a tinfoil hat? During a concert in Singapore, the 50-year-old Megadeth frontman declared that the Obama administration was responsible for the recent mass shootings in Aurora and Oak Creek.

“My president,” he told the crowd, making a dramatic gagging gesture, “is trying to pass a gun ban. So he’s staging all of these murders, like the ‘Fast And Furious’ thing down at the border, in Aurora, Colo., all the people that were killed there, and now the beautiful people at the Sikh temple… I don’t know where I’m gonna live if America keeps going the way it’s going because it looks like it’s turning into Nazi America.”

And then, presumably, he continued to rock some gnarly tunes while the rest of the band rolled their eyes. Mustaine’s comments might have gone unnoticed had TMZ not posted video of the tirade, which immediately went viral. Because you don’t often get to see that much gibberish combined with that much hair.

Mustaine is certainly not a great fan of progressive politics. He’s become increasingly conservative since he became a born-again Christian several years ago, and supported Rick Santorum for president. Rick. Santorum. And earlier this year, in a Canadian talk show interview, Mustaine said he had “a lot of questions about [President Obama], but certainly not where he was born. I know he was born somewhere else than America.”

One could almost laugh off Mustaine’s delusional, factless paranoia, except for a few not-so-funny aspects. For starters, it’s one thing when Mr. Joe Q. Nobody mouths off in his fringe Yahoo group. It’s different when a guy who’s sold 30 million albums does so. He’s got a platform and a following. And in a world where celebrity affords a degree of automatic credibility, God help us, people listen to him. More depressingly, he’s not the only guy in the world aboard the “This Is All Obama’s Fault” crazy train.

Last month, when Gun Owners of America president Larry Pratt talked to Slate about the Aurora shooting, he said:

We’re still not clear who may or may not have been involved with the guy. He found a way back into the theater, and we don’t know how that happened. He may have jimmied the door himself; somebody may have worked with him. It’s reasonable to ask. Here we are, the same week they may be signing a UN gun control treaty. After the government got involved in Fast and Furious, the WAY they got involved, it’s not a preposterous question to ask – if this was some kind of operation.

Actually, “preposterous” is exactly the word for what he’s describing. Adding new fuel to the crazy fire, on Thursday, Paul Joseph Watson wrote (on noted conspiracy theorist/radio blowhard Alex Jones’ site PrisonPlanet) that “Mustaine’s suspicions about the Colorado and Sikh temple shootings are not without foundation,” an assertion based almost entirely on early, confused reports from both massacres that there may have been more than one shooter.

In much the same way that haters gonna hate, crazy’s gonna be crazy. But it is shamefully messed up to use the deaths of 18 innocent people as an excuse to run off at the mouth about your paranoia that Obama is going to take your guns away. And while the beauty of being American is that everyone is entitled to have an opinion and express it, no matter how half-baked it may be, next time Mustaine wants to exploit tragedy for between-song patter, I hope he decides instead to shut up and sing.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby 8bitagent » Thu Aug 16, 2012 6:33 pm

LOL, gun ban? Actually some assault rifles have been legalized under Obama. God these right wing conspiratards make me laugh.
Shooting happens=gun sales skyrocket 400%. Rinse, repeat a zillion times. Not a single indication the "gubment" wants to
restrict guns at all. Im now solidly of the belief that it's a conspiracy to FLOOD guns in America and ratchet up the rhetoric for a
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby Iamwhomiam » Thu Aug 16, 2012 7:49 pm

8bit wrote:
Actually some assault rifles have been legalized under Obama.


I believe that is statement is inaccurate, 8bit.

The federal ban on assault weapons expired in 2004, under junior's administration.

They remain illegal to possess in NYS unless they were purchased before the ban was instituted in 1994.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby wordspeak2 » Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:07 am

Federal gun policy isn't changing one iota. Anyway, I just learned that Dave Mustaine supported Rick Santorum, and peddles right-wing anti-gun conspiracy shit. Evidence that mainstream wingnut fundamentalism is merging with Alex Jones-style wingnut thought? (half-kidding.)

Does anyone find any of the evidence of multiple shooters at all compelling? If there were more people involved than Holmes, doesn't it seem that the police would have to be involved to cover it up? ...Which would point to governmental involvement, rather than independent r-wing fanatic? Though maybe the lines are more blurred than I realize. Then we have the Sikh shooting done by a neo-Nazi trained in psy-ops. Inside or outside? Both?

Re: James Holmes and his defense, obviously they're going to say he's "mentally ill," to keep him off Death Row. I'm not sure that means anything. I'm not sure "mentally ill" means anything in general anymore, except in the most extreme cases. Looking at the video from six years earlier, Holmes was perfectly normal. Something happened in that time.

Very interested in the gun topic, as I find the "Turners Diary" angle compelling. I think U.S. intelligence has long looked at the right-wing militia-style movement, to over-generalize, as both a potential threat and a potential weapon. I have a Chip Berlet book in which he demonizes "right-wing populism" as a threat to liberal sanctity, especially the conspiracy theory angle of it. (getting too big too fast, says Berlet) At the same time I see the quite rapid growth of the anti-socialist-NWO crowd armed to the teeth, and it seems intuitive that crazed anti-Communists inside and outside official intelligence would be contemplating how to use these people in a directly counter-revolutionary manner, as someone said earlier in the thread.

I really hate guns. I've had guns pointed at my head three times in my life... really dislike guns. The arming of America certainly makes more sense to me than the disarming of America. Maybe the NRA itself has a secret black-ops team running around doing these types of things, with a head nod from some intelligence placements. kidding. half.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby justdrew » Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:52 am

so has anyone seen anything about a "second gas mask" and "second duffel bag of guns/gear" found in the front (I think?) parking lot? Was that just more fog of war confusion? Seems like that would be hard to misidentify, maybe police gear?

So in the last couple weeks we've learned virtually nothing new about this guys life over the last year or two? No neighbors, no friends co-workers, lab partners, study group members, etc with anything to say?
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby Marie Laveau » Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:54 am

8bitagent wrote:LOL, gun ban? Actually some assault rifles have been legalized under Obama. God these right wing conspiratards make me laugh.
Shooting happens=gun sales skyrocket 400%. Rinse, repeat a zillion times. Not a single indication the "gubment" wants to
restrict guns at all. Im now solidly of the belief that it's a conspiracy to FLOOD guns in America and ratchet up the rhetoric for a
tinderbox moment made for all these right wing jackasses.



Said it since the Clinton administration. At some point it will happen. I'd say about the time they destroy the stock market and the just-in-time delivery and lines of credit for stores, farmers, truck lines, etc. go up in smoke.

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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby 82_28 » Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:45 am

justdrew wrote:so has anyone seen anything about a "second gas mask" and "second duffel bag of guns/gear" found in the front (I think?) parking lot? Was that just more fog of war confusion? Seems like that would be hard to misidentify, maybe police gear?

So in the last couple weeks we've learned virtually nothing new about this guys life over the last year or two? No neighbors, no friends co-workers, lab partners, study group members, etc with anything to say?


So, so, so true. A great angle to work on this some more. Absolutely baffling that we haven't heard from anyone but strange associates through Holmes' life who remain faceless in an age of facebookland. Apparently dude had roomies too. I read something awhile back, perhaps from this thread, in fact, so like what did his roommates think about all the guns, ammo and bombs scattered about the house think all this time?
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby 2012 Countdown » Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:03 am

Yes...the second mask...

Anyway, this goes here too I guess-

Exclusive: Dave Mustaine Clarifies ‘Obama Staged Shooting’ Statement


Published on Aug 16, 2012 by TheAlexJonesChannel

This is Dave Mustaine's first response to the main stream media's attacks on him concerning his concert statements about the recent mass shootings

Exclusive: Dave Mustaine Clarifies 'Obama Staged Shooting' Statement

"Nobody can deny that there were criminal rogues within the administration

Megadeth frontman Dave Mustaine spoke exclusively with Infowars to clarify his statement made during a concert in which he suggested the Obama administration could have staged the Colorado and Sikh shootings as a pretext to eviscerate the second amendment -- pointing out that's precisely what the administration was caught doing with the Fast and Furious scandal.

http://www.infowars.com/dave-mustaine-o ... -massacre/
http://youtu.be/KyDmoCDgqBk

Megadeth frontman Dave Mustaine is coming under fire for comments during a live show in which he suggested that the Obama administration could have been responsible for staging the 'Batman' massacre -- but Mustaine's remarks were echoed by none other than Gun Owners of America director Larry Pratt.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby CLK » Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:58 am

So after a string of shootings in Democrat-held districts, including the murder of a Democrat activist, we have a giant skinhead named Floyd Lee who's obsessed with Nietzsche and weightlifting and attended the Grace Brethren Christian School for his primary and secondary education, stroll into the DC office of the Colorado-based Dominionist cult the FRC (founded by the man who wants fathers to shower with their sons) with a Chick-Fil-A bag in hand and shoot a black security guard in the arm. The leader of the FRC promptly accuses the SPLC of inspiring the crime (which I find ironic and hilarious, given that the SPLC accuses any two people to the right of Barney Frank of being a "hate group") and the right wing media goes into a state of apoplexy.

Yeah, none of this is fishy at all.

UPDATE: Remember that College Station shooter, who miraculously happened to shoot a passing Democratic activist in a hotly contested district? Well, guess where Ashley Todd -she of the faked Obama kinfe attack is from? College Station, TX. http://austinist.com/2008/10/24/college_station_mccain_worker_fakes.php
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