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Wombaticus Rex wrote:Also -- great catch on Ayn Navy! Her story really complicates the timeline and the single shooter theory.
CU Psychiatrist Called Threat-Team Members About Holmes
Sources Tell CALL7 Investigators Dr. Lynne Fenton Had Concerns About Holmes' Behavior Six Weeks Before Shootings
Arthur Kane and John Ferrugia , CALL7 Investigators
POSTED: 10:41 am MDT August 1, 2012
UPDATED: 10:54 pm MDT August 1, 2012
DENVER -- The psychiatrist treating accused Aurora theater gunman James Holmes was so concerned about his behavior that she notified other members of the University of Colorado Behavioral Evaluation and Threat Assessment, or BETA, team that he could potentially be a danger to others, sources with knowledge of the investigation told CALL7 Investigators.
Those concerns surfaced in early June -- almost six weeks before the shooting, sources told CALL7 Investigator John Ferrugia.
Sources say Dr. Lynne Fenton, who treated Holmes this spring, contacted several members of the BETA team in separate conversations. According to the university website, the BETA team consists of "key" staff members from various CU departments who have specific expertise in dealing with assessing potential threats on campus. And, sources say, officials at the University of Colorado never contacted Aurora police with Fenton’s concerns before the July 20 killings.
ABC News learned Fenton was a key member in setting up BETA in 2010, and she is currently one of the contacts for anyone who has concerns about an on-campus threat. A University of Colorado spokeswoman acknowledged that Fenton is one of several trained CU contacts who can convene the team in consultation with the chairman.
“Fenton made initial phone calls about engaging the BETA team” in “the first 10 days” of June but it “never came together” because in the period Fenton was having conversations with team members, James Holmes began the process of dropping out of school, a source said.
In a news conference last week, CU Anschutz Medical Campus Graduate School Dean Barry Shur said Holmes dropped out of the CU Ph.D Neuroscience program on June 10th. "My understanding he has not been back on campus where the program is since that time," he said last week.
Holmes lost his access to secure areas of the school June 12, according to the CU spokeswoman.
Sources said when Holmes withdrew, the BETA team “had no control over him."
Holmes has been charged with the murders of 12 people and shooting of 58 others July 20 in an Aurora movie theater during the premier of the new Batman movie.
Sources did not know what Holmes told Fenton that sparked her concern.
“It takes more than just statements,” said one source, explaining that Holmes would have had to tell Fenton “something specific" before she would have to report it to law enforcement.
“He would have to tell her he had taken steps to make it happen,” said another source.
But an expert in threat assessment told ABC News that the warning signs were there, and CU should likely have done more when Holmes quit the university.
"I think that is the signal that you should intensify your efforts -- not walk away," said Barry Spodak." Under those circumstances, most well-trained assessment teams would have gone into action."
One source also told Ferrugia that the team may not have been convened because while Fenton had “serious concerns, there may not have been an immediate threat.”
Sources familiar with the investigation do not know if Fenton stopped treating Holmes after he dropped out of CU. It’s also not known whether Fenton referred Holmes to any other mental health assistance, or if there was further contact with him or about him.
Sources also say, after the shootings, Aurora police interviewed at least one person that Fenton contacted to discuss her concerns about Holmes.
During the period when, sources say, Fenton contacted fellow BETA team members, Holmes did not do well on an oral presentation on June 7. It is also unclear whether Holmes could find a mentor to help him as required for continuing in the Ph.D program. On the same day, June 7, Holmes legally purchased an AR-15 rifle, according to ABC News.
James Holmes had no criminal record.
CU Chancellor Don Elliman said at a news conference the school did everything properly. “To the best of our knowledge at this point we did everything that we think we should have done,” he said last week.
Michael Carrigan, chairman of the CU board of regents, told CALL7 Investigators that he did not know if Holmes had ever been discussed by the BETA team.
"It's the first I'm hearing about this," he said in a phone interview.
A CU spokeswoman declined comment on Fenton or any BETA team actions, citing a gag order.
Hammer of Los wrote:Actually, I resent wasting the time doing the research on it.
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barracuda wrote:undead wrote:I'm not really invested in any particular story I was just remarking that it is pretty impressive for this kid to bust in with a massive assault rifle and a shot gun AND teargas AND full body armor and shoot up the place. That shit has to be really heavy.
Holmes was not wearing full body armor.
What distinguished Holmes wasn’t his offense. It was his defense. [...]
He wore a ballistic helmet, a ballistic vest, ballistic leggings, a throat protector, a groin protector, and tactical gloves.
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_an ... _nra_.html
Aurora Police Chief Daniel Oates said he lobbed gas canisters at the crowd, then opened fire. By the time police arrived, 90 seconds later, he had shot dozens of people because his rifle was modified with a high-powered drum magazine that allowed him to fire immense amounts of bullets without reloading. "It was a pretty rapid pace of fire in that theater," Oates said.
Oates said the shooter wore a ballistic helmet, gas mask, throat-protector, tactical vest and pants.
On CBS' "Face the Nation" Sunday, Oates said the responding officers almost mistook Holmes for a member of the SWAT team his protective gear was so complete.
(Watch at left)
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-574 ... ontentBody
AhabsOtherLeg wrote:Lupercal, to your credit you were right about some aspects of the Breivik attacks . . . but is there any reason to get dogmatic on this event at this early stage? Holmes might well be a patsy . . . but is there any point in saying these things as if they are proven facts when, at the moment, they are not?
lupercal wrote:^ Those are good reasons to think he's a patsy, which I'm not disputing, but not to think he did any shooting. Has he been positively identified by any witnesses? Have any clearly identifiable photos of Holmes in the theater, taken by cell-phone, security camera, or otherwise, been released? Has he confessed to knowledge of any details of the crime? Has he shown any medical evidence of having fired weapons? To my knowledge the answers are no, and I'd find any such evidence deeply suspect simply because patsies and shooters are usually different players, and Holmes like many other patsies shows a friendly willingness to please but nothing remotely sinister, despite the red hair, at least so far, though the narrative could change.
AhabsOtherLeg wrote:there did turn out to be film and pictures taken by victims,
lupercal wrote:A "young man 'going off'" is a essentially the lone-nut theory which is a form of magical thinking.
changing the 2012 campaign narrative, i.e. bailing out MittBane,
distraction from foreign policy misteps (Syria, Bandar)
improving the climate of opinion for the security state (gun sales have spiked as they usually do after high-profile mass shootings, with no sign of "gun control" on the horizon, also usual).
eliminating inconvenient persons in the local intel sector, i.e. the intel unit at Buckley AFB
barracuda wrote:lupercal wrote:improving the climate of opinion for the security state (gun sales have spiked as they usually do after high-profile mass shootings, with no sign of "gun control" on the horizon, also usual).
...these are not motives. This is overt straw-grasping. There's no "cui bono" there at all.
Gun Sales Up As High As 41% After Aurora, Colorado Shooting
http://z6mag.com/featured/gun-sales-up- ... o-shooting
Why gun sales spike after mass shootings: It's not what you might think
After the Colorado shooting, gun sales have risen around the country. For some, it's because they want to buy a gun for self-protection. But there's a bigger reason, gun-shop owners say.
By Linda Feldmann, Monitor Staff writer / July 25, 2012
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder ... ight-think
lupercal wrote:
The Breivik/Brevik issue is indeed relevant, and after reviewing reports and photos from the trial, which evidently wasn't sealed after all, nothing I've found has changed my view of that operation, so I'm confident that Brevik is a patsy who neither car-bombed Oslo nor carried out a mass assassination on Utoya, though he seems to believe that he did.
barracuda wrote:
It's worth keeping in mind that these kinds of massacres happen daily in other occupied and militarized parts of the world, and it's pretty much only when it happens to white folks in America - and soldiers, no less - that we begin flailing around trying to pin the act with the familiar labels: false flag, deep state conspiracy, patsy. The truth is that massacres like this are a time-honored tradition as American as apple pie. Why that is so is far more interesting to ponder than the tiny scraps of ambiguity that permit the conspiracy tropes to spring into their accustomed and facile positions. Weirdness is where you find it.
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