Sikh temple shooting: Gunman had been on investigators' radar
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Authorities Tracked Gunman In Sikh Temple Shooting For More Than A Decade
By Brian Bennett
August 6, 2012, 4:31 p.m.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nati ... 0104.story
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by elfismiles » Tue Aug 07, 2012 12:14 am
by 8bitagent » Tue Aug 07, 2012 12:31 am
82_28 wrote:They're going to have to shut the Internet down soon. These bullshit rightwing, lunatic shootings aren't scaling for the effect they did in '79, '82 and '99 and so on. And I will say, they aren't just "rightwing", they're becoming increasingly incognito corporatist and the theme it seems is shit like this to go on in ever greater frequency.
They don't like it that there are still pockets of humanity still getting along. Humanity must be destroyed and all detectors of irony must be put to death. Fascism is serious. Once they get serious we'll all see it for ourselves.
Keep in mind, they're all idiots. They know not what they do, but they're too clever by half. Nobody wins. They just follow orders and hate. There is no way to put your mind around this kind of shit as a simple being that just wants to fucking exist in peace.
by 8bitagent » Tue Aug 07, 2012 12:36 am
82_28 wrote:Wade Michael Page called Holmes Avenue home, and use to live in Littleton, Colorado, where Columbine occurred. He was a former psychological operations specialist out of Ft. Bragg, Fayetteville, North Carolina.
Here are other random notes about Page, from a variety of sources:
Wade is of Old English and Scandinavian origin, and the meaning of Wade is "able to go; river ford," and/or "advancer."
Page is described as a "heavily-tattooed, 40-year-old ex-Army soldier." Neighbors told Fox News that he had a 9-11 tattoo. He had all kinds of symbolic tattoos.
"Page said he was born in Colorado," according to an interview he gave.
Page use to live in Littleton, Colorado, he said.
He was a former US Army "psychological operations specialist," the Pentagon confirmed.
http://copycateffect.blogspot.com/2012/ ... -page.html
Yep. I've relayed the story here before. I'll kind of tell it again.
In the 90's in Colorado, especially the well to do south end of Denver, the K*K made all kinds of inexplicable inroads to the youth. It was kinda like Mormon missionary shit, I'm talking about here. Littleton CO is my hometown. I went to Littleton Public Schools (I wonder where this asshole went to HS at -- probably in my district). All of a sudden, various friends succumbed to this weird ass white power nonsense and it was widespread. They were summarily rejected and they used this rejection as a badge of courage. Luckily, the three friends I had (and rejected like everyone else at the time), fell out of it and renounced their racism. But little ol' 82_28 had three friends he used to skate, smoke, drink with join the K*K just about my senior year of HS. I never understood how it happened. I've always known it didn't happen in a vacuum. At least back then, who knows now, there was a very strong anti-racist youth culture as well, probably in response to so much K*K recruiting and seeing people we grew up with, as I said, succumb to some concerted effort to spread it around.
Oh fuck, I just remembered one thing, but I have to run real fast. I'll tell y'all about it in a sec. . .
by 8bitagent » Tue Aug 07, 2012 12:46 am
MacCruiskeen wrote:wordspeak2 wrote:Some of the usual crowd are pointing to the death of Stephen Greer's co-producer's father and saying likely psy-op. Sounds like a stretch... the father of a UFO film producer? Is he going to stop making the movie because his dad died? On the other hand, seems like quite a coincidence, as it were. That's some WOO. The fundraising promo Kaleka and Greer have out there for their 2012 UFO disclosure film:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9QPDQI4XU8
Six degrees of separation. In any mass murder, especially in the USA, at least one of the victims is very likely to be in some way related to someone who is in some way opposed to the government, or who in some way works for the government, or who in some way is interested in UFOs, or who in some way is involved in the movie business.
Certainly I can think of easier ways of deterring someone from making a film.
by semper occultus » Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:33 am
elfismiles wrote:
Wisconsin Temple Gunman ID'd, But Cops Seek Another 'Person of Interest'
By RUSSELL GOLDMAN, KEVIN DOLACK, LUIS MARTINEZ AND JASON RYAN | ABC News – 8 hrs ago..
The "person of interest" in the Sikh temple shooting as identified by authorities.
by surfaceskimmer » Tue Aug 07, 2012 12:05 pm
by Wombaticus Rex » Tue Aug 07, 2012 12:20 pm
by 82_28 » Tue Aug 07, 2012 12:53 pm
8bitagent wrote:Wasnt there some famous neo nazi skinhead shootout/freeway chase in 1999 around Denver?
Zero to Life
Lisl Auman had met Matthaeus Jaehnig only that morning. By day's end, he and a cop were dead--and her life was over.
A A A Comments (0) By Juliet Wittman Thursday, Apr 15 1999
Freeze this image in your mind.
It's the afternoon of November 12, 1997. Lisl Auman, 21 years old, is standing in front of a boxy condominium, part of a sprawling complex on Monaco Parkway in southeast Denver. Behind her is the hulking form of Matthaeus Jaehnig, struggling frantically with the lock on the condominium door. In front of Lisl are first two, then three police officers. She has her hands up. She is taking one, two hesitant steps forward.
In seconds she will be on the ground, hands behind her for the handcuffs, an officer's knee in her back, his voice in her ear, yelling, calling her a bitch. She will be bundled into a police car and driven a short way off in the condo parking lot.
Jaehnig, meanwhile, will have veered from the door, around a set of stairs--coming within a few feet of the officers--and into an alcove. The alcove is roughly fifteen feet long and blind. There is no exit from it other than the stairs he has just passed or the locked doorway to a second condo.
Unaware of this, the two cops who first grabbed Auman run around the building in opposite directions, hoping to cut Jaehnig off.
Officer Bruce VanderJagt arrives with his partner, Sergeant Dean Jones. VanderJagt is a courageous and much-admired eleven-year veteran of the Denver Police Department. He has twice received a Distinguished Service Cross--once for disarming a gunman terrorizing the employees of Porter Memorial Hospital, once for running into a burning building to help save the occupants. While Jones maneuvers for a cautious look into the alcove, VanderJagt peers around the corner. There's a fusillade of shots. More quickly than the mind can grasp, a bullet rips away the right side of VanderJagt's head. For long seconds he remains standing. Then he falls.
By now, dozens of police officers are on the scene. Bullets are flying in every direction: twenty or thirty of them from Jaehnig's SKS semi-automatic assault rifle; hundreds from police guns. Wood splinters into dust. Glass flies. Nine more bullets hit Officer VanderJagt's prone body; some 200 penetrate the walls of the condo, many boring their way through and out the other side of the building. On the floor, Lisl's brown-and-white dog, Gene--named for a recently deceased grandfather--cowers in terror.
An officer approaches the car where Auman is sitting. "You're going down for murder," he tells her, according to her later testimony. "You're gonna go down."
Three hours later, Matthaeus Jaehnig, too, is dead, of a single bullet that entered under his chin and ricocheted around his skull. Having run out of bullets, he had inched forward to steal Bruce VanderJagt's revolver and then shot himself.
by NeonLX » Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:56 pm
by justdrew » Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:44 pm
Wade Michael Page's acquaintances recall a troubled man guided by hate
From the military to failed jobs to music, the Wisconsin man who shot dead six at a Sikh temple is remembered for his ill will
Chris McGreal in Oak Creek | guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 7 August 2012 13.11 EDT
Wade Michael Page's neighbours are largely of one view about the man who shot dead six worshipers at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin on Sunday.
"I stayed away from him," said Char Brown, who lived in the same building and said she endured him playing loud rock music late into the night.
Another neighbour, Jennifer Dunn, a psychiatric nurse, said she regarded Page as "creepy" in part because he would not look her in the eye. Dunn too complained about the music and said that the night before the attack on the Sikh temple it seemed particularly loud.
FBI investigators will be looking into what it was Page was listening to in the hours before the massacre and whether it shaped his state of mind given he played in two white power bands that performed with lyrics urging racial domination.
The bands – Definite Hate and End Apathy – came to be an important part of Page's life after a failed army career, dismissal from a series of jobs and a rocky relationship with a girlfriend who left him earlier this year.
Char Brown's husband, David, called Page "very standoffish" and "not real friendly". He said he rarely saw Page emerge from his flat other than to go out with an instrument case on his back.
But Page's stepmother, Laura Page, said it wasn't always that way. She described him as a "normal little boy" and struggled to explain how he came to be a mass murderer with a Facebook picture of him in front of a Nazi swastika.
Laura Page said that joining the military had appeared to be good for her stepson because it "gave him focus".
"Now I greatly question that direction. I don't know if the military was good for him. I don't know. I wish I had some answers. And we're not going to have answers because he's dead," she said.
Page did well enough after joining in 1992 to be assigned to a psychological operations unit at Fort Bragg, North Carolina. The unit is regarded in the US military as exclusive.
But at the time Fort Bragg was also a recruiting centre for white hate groups including the National Alliance, once regarded as one of the most effective such groups and also among the most extreme because it openly glorified Adolf Hitler. The Military Law Review at the time reported that National Alliance flags were openly hung in barracks and, out of uniform, soldiers sported neo-Nazi symbols and played records about killing blacks and Jews.
"White supremacists have a natural attraction to the army," the Military Law Review said. "They often see themselves as warriors, superbly fit and well-trained in survivalist techniques and weapons and poised for the ultimate conflict with various races."
Wisconsin Sikh community vigil Wisconsin governor Scott Walker at a candle light vigil at the Sikh Religious Society of Wisconsin on Monday. Photograph: Darren Hauck/Getty Images
In 1995, two soldiers with the 82nd Airborne murdered a black couple in Fayetteville, the city neighbouring Fort Bragg, in a racially motivated attack.
Others serving at the base during the 1990s were arrested for hoarding ammunition in preparation for an attack on businesses, including media organisations, owned by African Americans and Jews. Soldiers were also arrested as members of skinhead gangs involved in assaults.
Chris Robillard described Page as his "closest friend" in the military. He told CNN that Page was "a very kind, very smart individual" but even then had taken up the white supremacist cudgel.
"He would often mention the racial holy war that was coming," he said. "We just looked at it like he was trying to get attention to himself because he was always the vulnerable type of person. Even in a group of people he would be off alone."
Another former colleague in the psychological operations unit, Fred Allen Lucas, said that Page called him a "race traitor" for dating Latina women and took to calling other races "dirt people".
"It didn't matter if they were black, Indian, Native American, Latin – he hated them all," Lucas told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.
He said that among Page's tattoos was one that repeated a mantra popular among white supremacists: we must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children. Because the sentence has 14 words, some white supremacists wear tattoos and clothing with the number as a code. Page had the number 14 tattooed on his left shoulder.
By the time Page's contract with the army was complete in 1998 he had a poor enough record, marred by drunkenness and failing to report for duty, that the military did not permit him to re-enlist. He had already been demoted from sergeant.
After the army, Page drifted between jobs, including a motorbike parts dealership before he was sacked in part because he did not like taking orders from a woman, and then as a lorry driver. But mostly he focussed on playing in white power bands.
Sometimes he performed with a Nazi swastika hanging behind the drummer. His first band, Definite Hate, produced an album called Violent Victory with a cover design of a white fist punching a black man in the face.
The fist is tattooed with the letters HFFH for "Hammerskins Forever, Forever Hammerskins" after a national skinhead organisation.
The Site Monitoring Service, which tracks white supremacist groups, said Page appeared regularly on various white power websites including Stormfront and Hammerskin. He signed off on at least one occasion with "88", used by Nazi sympathisers to mean "Heil Hitler" because H is the eighth letter of the alphabet.
Definite Hate's songs included lines such as: "Wake up, white man, for your race, and your land".
Page told Label 56, a record company that distributed his band's albums and sold Definite Hate T-shirts, that he founded his second group, End Apathy, to wake people up.
"A lot of what I realised at the time was that if we could figure out how to end people's apathetic ways it would be the start toward moving forward," Page is quoted as saying. "Of course after that it requires discipline, strict discipline, to stay the course in our sick society."
After the Oak Creek shooting, Label 56 issued a statement distancing itself from Page.
"We have never sought attention by using "shock value" symbols and ideology that are generally labeled as such. With that being said, all images and products related to End Apathy have been removed from our site. We do not wish to profit from this tragedy financially or with publicity," it said. "In closing please do not take what Wade [Page] did as honorable or respectable and please do not think we are all like that."
But the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks extremist groups, lists Label 56 as a "hate site" because of its promotion of racist bands such as Children of the Reich and Stormtroop 16.
While the local police and FBI said that Page was not on their radar because he had not committed any crimes, he came to the attention of the Southern Poverty Law Center a decade ago. It describes Page as a "frustrated neo-Nazi".
by 82_28 » Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:23 pm
82_28 wrote:8bitagent wrote:Wasnt there some famous neo nazi skinhead shootout/freeway chase in 1999 around Denver?
Yes. Here's a write-up from Westword about Lisl Auman. I actually knew her and many friends who knew her better:Zero to Life
Lisl Auman had met Matthaeus Jaehnig only that morning. By day's end, he and a cop were dead--and her life was over.
A A A Comments (0) By Juliet Wittman Thursday, Apr 15 1999
Freeze this image in your mind.
It's the afternoon of November 12, 1997. Lisl Auman, 21 years old, is standing in front of a boxy condominium, part of a sprawling complex on Monaco Parkway in southeast Denver. Behind her is the hulking form of Matthaeus Jaehnig, struggling frantically with the lock on the condominium door. In front of Lisl are first two, then three police officers. She has her hands up. She is taking one, two hesitant steps forward.
In seconds she will be on the ground, hands behind her for the handcuffs, an officer's knee in her back, his voice in her ear, yelling, calling her a bitch. She will be bundled into a police car and driven a short way off in the condo parking lot.
Jaehnig, meanwhile, will have veered from the door, around a set of stairs--coming within a few feet of the officers--and into an alcove. The alcove is roughly fifteen feet long and blind. There is no exit from it other than the stairs he has just passed or the locked doorway to a second condo.
Unaware of this, the two cops who first grabbed Auman run around the building in opposite directions, hoping to cut Jaehnig off.
Officer Bruce VanderJagt arrives with his partner, Sergeant Dean Jones. VanderJagt is a courageous and much-admired eleven-year veteran of the Denver Police Department. He has twice received a Distinguished Service Cross--once for disarming a gunman terrorizing the employees of Porter Memorial Hospital, once for running into a burning building to help save the occupants. While Jones maneuvers for a cautious look into the alcove, VanderJagt peers around the corner. There's a fusillade of shots. More quickly than the mind can grasp, a bullet rips away the right side of VanderJagt's head. For long seconds he remains standing. Then he falls.
By now, dozens of police officers are on the scene. Bullets are flying in every direction: twenty or thirty of them from Jaehnig's SKS semi-automatic assault rifle; hundreds from police guns. Wood splinters into dust. Glass flies. Nine more bullets hit Officer VanderJagt's prone body; some 200 penetrate the walls of the condo, many boring their way through and out the other side of the building. On the floor, Lisl's brown-and-white dog, Gene--named for a recently deceased grandfather--cowers in terror.
An officer approaches the car where Auman is sitting. "You're going down for murder," he tells her, according to her later testimony. "You're gonna go down."
Three hours later, Matthaeus Jaehnig, too, is dead, of a single bullet that entered under his chin and ricocheted around his skull. Having run out of bullets, he had inched forward to steal Bruce VanderJagt's revolver and then shot himself.
http://www.westword.com/1999-04-15/news/zero-to-life/
I don't think I knew Jaehnig and I don't think anybody knew who he was and where he came from. White power stupidity was rife in the south end of Denver in the 90's. I still have to tell the other story I was going to tell and promised to upthread, there's actually a few good stories that demonstrate (I think) that there was a strange effort to turn kids on to violent racism during this time. All of the stories I can tell are going to be one's that I am a 1st person witness to. I just have to wait for a reliable Internet connection. I'm currently tethering with my cellphone and I've been throttled, as they say and my connection is super slow. . .
by 8bitagent » Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:29 pm
by 82_28 » Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:17 pm
by seemslikeadream » Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:05 am
SPLC Intelligence Report / By Marilyn Elias
Sikh Temple Killer Wade Michael Page Was Radicalized by Army Base's "Thriving Neo-Nazi Underworld"
Page's motive may never be known, but the details of his life suggest that the path toward his final act began at a U.S Army base.
December 5, 2012 |
No one knows what drove Wade Michael Page to walk into the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin on a Sunday morning last August and start shooting worshippers with a 9 mm handgun. Maybe the 40-year-old white power musician believed he was killing Muslims, a group he despised because of the 9/11 attacks by radical Islamists.
He didn’t live to talk about it, though, and left no manifesto like the one written by the Muslim-hating Norwegian terrorist Anders Breivik last year.
But while his motive may never be known, the details of his life suggest that the path toward his final act began at a U.S Army base that was home to a thriving neo-Nazi underworld during the time Page was stationed there in the mid-1990s.
Page’s journey down that path took him deep into the world of hate music and, more recently, into the “patched” membership ranks of a violent skinhead crew. It ended on Aug. 5 in the Milwaukee suburb of Oak Creek, where he murdered six Sikhs, including the temple’s president and three priests, and wounded four other people. Lt. Brian Murphy, the first police officer to confront Page at the scene, survived the encounter but was shot in the throat and hit by eight more bullets when he came to the aid of Page’s victims. Page was finally felled by an officer’s rifle shot to the stomach as he stood firing in the temple’s parking lot; Page then put his pistol to his own head and fired.
Page’s attack, which prompted a September congressional hearing on hate crimes chaired by Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), was only the latest domestic terrorist attack in a wave that began with the election of President Obama in late 2008. Violence and conspiracies from white supremacists, apparently infuriated at the impending loss of a white majority population that was symbolized by Obama’s election, have ratcheted up in the last four years, as hate groups have grown and antigovernment “Patriot” organizations have expanded explosively.
For Page, the bloodbath in Oak Creek ended what apparently was a frustrating quest. He told an interviewer in 2010 that he had chosen the name End Apathy for a band he formed because he was trying to “figure out how to end people’s apathetic ways” and “move forward” for the white supremacist cause.
Evidently, the lyrics of hate were not enough.
Swastikas and Murder
In 1995, three years after Page joined the Army at age 20, the Colorado native arrived at Fort Bragg, a sprawling installation in Fayetteville, N.C., that’s home to the 82nd Airborne Division as well as the Army’s Special Forces Command.
When Page was transferred there, it also served as the home base for a brazen cadre of white supremacist soldiers. Nazi flags flew and party music endorsed the killing of African-Americans and Jews. And, according to the Military Law Review, soldiers openly sought recruits for the National Alliance, then the most dangerous and best organized neo-Nazi group in the country. A billboard just outside the base even advertised for the National Alliance.
That same year, three paratroopers from Fort Bragg murdered a black man and a black woman in Fayetteville to earn their spider web tattoos, racist badges of honor that sometimes signify that their bearers have killed non-whites. The soldiers went to prison for life, and 19 other paratroopers were discharged for participating in neo-Nazi activities. The scandal prompted congressional hearings and led to new military regulations aimed at preventing extremist activity. But as an investigation by theIntelligence Report a decade later showed, the new rules did not go nearly far enough.
Page’s exposure to the neo-Nazis at Fort Bragg seemed to catalyze his bigotry, driving him further into extremist territory, said Pete Simi, an associate professor of criminology at the University of Nebraska, Omaha.
Simi should know as well as anyone. He met Page in Orange County, Calif., while conducting interviews for a Ph.D. thesis on white supremacist groups — research that eventually led to the 2010 book American Swastika: Inside the White Power Movement’s Hidden Spaces of Hate, co-authored with sociologist Robert Futrell. Simi interviewed Page numerous times from 2001 to 2003, and even bunked with him and a white supremacist roommate to learn about their daily lives.
“Wade saw the military as a transformational time in his life,” Simi told the Intelligence Report. “He always said, ‘If you don’t go in the military a racist, you’re sure to leave as one.’” Page believed that less-qualified black soldiers were promoted over whites and that they were disciplined less harshly. Despite these views, he made sergeant and was admitted into an elite psychological operations unit specializing in promoting pro-U.S. sentiment.
An Army buddy told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that Page expressed hatred for all non-whites, calling them “dirt people.” He also said Page sported a tattoo referring to the “14 Words,” shorthand for the notorious white supremacist catchphrase “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children,” coined by the late terrorist David Lane. A heavy drinker, Page eventually sank his military career by showing up for work drunk, another Army friend, Christopher Robillard, told the Journal Sentinel. When he refused treatment, the Army discharged Page in 1998, Robillard said. Page then moved in with a woman in Denver but wound up on the streets after they broke up.
Lyrics of Hate
Page was always a music lover, and another turning point toward violence came when he attended Georgia’s Hammerfest, a large white power music festival, in 2000. He was so attracted to the message and lifestyle of the musicians he met there that he relocated to the city of Orange in Southern California, then a thriving center of the racist music scene.
When Simi met him in 2001, Page was playing bass guitar and singing backup vocals with a band called Youngland. He couldn’t hold a regular job because he drank so heavily that he would pass out and miss work the next day, Simi said.
But he reveled in his white power music performances, which became the center of his life, and his rhetoric now fell squarely in the neo-Nazi corner. He called Muslims “towel heads” or “sand niggers,” Simi recalled. He was so furious after the Sept. 11 attacks that he thought the U.S. should just bomb Middle Eastern countries to smithereens. Most of his hate rhetoric, though, was directed toward Jews and blacks. About the Holocaust, Page said, “They had it coming,” and “Germany did what needed to be done.” One chilling incident during the December holiday season reflected the depth of Page’s hatred: When he and Simi were entering a pizza parlor that had a decal of a menorah, a candelabrum used in Jewish ceremonies, on the door, Page refused to touch the door. “It was like it was poison. He just froze. He wouldn’t even touch anything that had a menorah on it.”
In 2003, Page was having trouble paying his bills, irritating his friends and evidently wearing out his welcome. He moved back to Fayetteville, where he worked at a Harley-Davidson dealership for a year and a half. John Tew, the general manager, told the Intelligence Report that he fired Page because he refused to obey orders from female co-workers. After Page had gone, Tew found an application for the Ku Klux Klan in his desk. “He actually came back for it when he realized he’d left it behind, but I’d thrown it away.”
Meanwhile, Page stepped up his involvement in the white power music scene. He played on the festival circuit with racist skinhead bands including 13 Knots and Definite Hate. Definite Hate produced an album called “Violent Victory,” whose cover showed a disembodied white arm punching a black man in the face, with blood spurting out. Page formed End Apathy in 2005 and promoted it, along with Definite Hate, on Stormfront, the largest neo-Nazi Web forum. In a 2010 interview on the website of Label 56, which promoted the bands, Page said he had also played with Celtic Warrior, Radikahl, Max Resist, Intimidation One, Aggressive Force and Blue Eyed Devils. That list includes some of the best-known white power bands on the American scene.
Page’s immersion in the neo-Nazi rock music world undoubtedly raised his profile in extremist circles. In October 2011, he earned his “patch” and became a full member of the Northern Hammerskins, a chapter of Hammerskin Nation, one of the most violent and dominant skinhead groups in the U.S.
The Last Leg
The last leg of Page’s journey took him to Milwaukee last year, where he moved in with a girlfriend, 31-year-old Misty Cook. Both were active posters on a message board for the Hammerskins. But the relationship fractured in June, and Page stopped showing up for his job in mid-July. His landlord said he owed back rent the day he entered the Sikh temple.
It’s probably no coincidence that the temple is just down the block from the restaurant where Cook worked. Perhaps the turban-wearing Sikh men caught his eye because of the proximity.
Sikh Americans are well aware of the danger of being targeted for hate crimes by racists who mistake them for Muslims. In fact, what is believed to be the first hate crime murder committed in retaliation for 9/11 was the Sept. 15, 2001, slaying of Balbir Singh Sodhi, 49, a Sikh who was shot to death outside the gas station he owned in Mesa, Ariz. The killer, Frank Silva Roque, described himself to police as “a patriot.”
“We’re apprehensive about the climate of bigotry out there now, and we don’t even have data about what’s happening to Sikh Americans,” said Rajdeep Singh, law and policy director for the Sikh Coalition, a human rights group, in an interview. (The Sikh Coalition and other groups representing Sikhs in September renewed a request that the federal government begin collecting data on hate crimes directed at Sikhs, because there is no definitive data on that category of victims at present.) “We’re conditioned to expect people will say nasty things, but to massacre us in a place of peace, a sanctuary — that, we never expected.”
Criminologist Simi, who was a fly on the wall in the white power music scene for several years, was shocked, too. He found it hard to believe that Page was involved. “I remember him saying, ‘When talk fails, violence prevails.’ But they all said stuff like that. The crazy part is, if you told me some of the others went on a shooting rampage, I wouldn’t be surprised at all. Wade was pretty mellow compared to the others in that skinhead, white supremacist culture. Many of them are far more violent.”
At the congressional hearing he chaired, Durbin made similar comments. “It was not the first tragedy based on hate and, sadly, it won’t be the last,” he said. “But it should cause all of us to redouble our efforts to combat the threat of domestic terrorism.”
by FourthBase » Thu Feb 28, 2013 7:26 pm
MacCruiskeen wrote:wordspeak2 wrote:Some of the usual crowd are pointing to the death of Stephen Greer's co-producer's father and saying likely psy-op. Sounds like a stretch... the father of a UFO film producer? Is he going to stop making the movie because his dad died? On the other hand, seems like quite a coincidence, as it were. That's some WOO. The fundraising promo Kaleka and Greer have out there for their 2012 UFO disclosure film:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9QPDQI4XU8
Six degrees of separation. In any mass murder, especially in the USA, at least one of the victims is very likely to be in some way related to someone who is in some way opposed to the government, or who in some way works for the government, or who in some way is interested in UFOs, or who in some way is involved in the movie business.
Certainly I can think of easier ways of deterring someone from making a film.
surfaceskimmer wrote:Attention, RI members: Please report to your search engines immediately. You are missing key, critical important information about this event.
82_28 wrote:Alright, apropos to only the fact that this guy was from or grew up in Little(fun)ton (as we called it -- littlefun) and am curious as to the connections my old home has, here are the stories that I can relay. I don't know if any of it is relevant other than this guy seems about the same age as me and grew up in similar cultural circumstances.
Skins were not everywhere, but they were there and were kind of like some kind of fucking royalty at the malls and schools. There were certain names of people you did not cross. And when were around, everyone whispered that Scott F. or Mike T. (last names left out) and you were put on some kind of voluntary watch and awe about what they would do. As a kid this was scary and awesome at the same time. Skins were fucking huge back then, again not everywhere, but they were big. You couldn't wear Doc Martens for instance in Denver because if a skin saw you he'd "curb" you and take your boots -- my recollection is is that they ran rampant. There was a lot of gossip and a lot of us stood up to it. I don't wear docs now because they suck and give me blisters, but they were cool back then -- same with creepers.
There was also inroads of "crips and bloods" ass shit. As a kid we were perpetually worried about having something red or blue on downtown, because some of us were black and whatnot.
With all that said, here are a few stories:
Scott F. (yes his last name is the same as the famed author from the 1920s)
Rumor was was that he had been expelled by Littleton Public Schools for being like in his 20s and attending school at middle schools amidst 14 year olds, however Scott F. was still enrolled at my old middle school. He was a major skinhead. Like the queen bee of all the goddamned skins who resided around us. NOBODY knew where they lived, who their families were and etc. Everybody knew everybody, but the skins just came from outta nowhere. Last I heard (over 15 years ago) he was thrown in prison.
Another one:
Mike T. He did a lot of acid. He worked in the skateshop by my house. Lots and lots of acid. He was a skin. His dad was a higher up, I believe sergeant for the DPD. But he would routinely beat the fuck out of people from behind with brass knuckles. Various 90's style punks got beat the fuck out of by this guy and many others. Somebody would be crossing the street or parking lot and he would put his brass knuckles on and beat them by the back of their neck. Yep. All true.
All show when I was 16 and was the first time I was permitted by my parents to drive downtown. All as in ALL. Descendents.
http://www.allcentral.com/
The fucking skins showed up and started fucking locking arms and clotheslining everyone in the pit. You didn't fucking know what to think at the age of 16-17. Oh shit like this just happens.
The skins show up at a punk show at fucking J. Jim's skatepark, teargas us all doing their zheeeeg heil and all that bullshit during a show with their flight jackets on. Break one of the vocalist's arms with a crowbar as he was indeed black and was himself a "straight edge skinhead".
It was a riot and no one was called. Thankfully. This was before cellphones. And on it goes.
Those are the stories. Perhaps there are more.
Great connections made during the Sundance Film Festival
Published February 5, 2013 | By siteadmin
Actor Thomas Jane who has done the voice over for the Sirius film joined Dr. Greer in Park City during the Sundance Film festival. What a team! Introductions, interviews and many connections made that will help the Sirius film make the impact we are all wanting.
Other news about the film: The world renowned geneticist has started his testing. He feels it will take at least 3 – 4 weeks to run the tests and analyze them. The geneticist also gave all the information about the little being to one of the foremost medical specialists on genetic anomalies. That doctor has concluded that even though it is only 6 inches in length it is not a fetus, but was 5 – 7 years old at the time of its death!
This research was possible through your generous donations and we sincerely thank you. We are looking at a Spring 2013 release of the film and are still accepting donations to help with the roll out publicity.
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