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Something About The Present That May Be On Your Mind...

PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:56 am
by 8bitagent
It occurred to me, noticing every youth on the bus today plugged into their white Apple earbuds, as well as seeing a friend have difficulty writing a simple note on paper...

It's 2012, the world didn't end...nothing really earth shattering happened this year(yet)...but perhaps the biggest change came gradually and we didn't even realize it. When you are about to fall asleep, the brain seems to work where you never quite know the moment you fall asleep or dream, only that you wake up. That sneaking up situation seems to have happened, and I genuinely feel like virtually every facet of
western society has been greatly changed and augmented. I'm talking of course about all this endless texting, smart phone usage, apps, facebook addiction, twitter, new forms of gaming, certain chemicals in foods, media, commercials and possibly even electronic signals. I notice even a change in people's(especially young people) language...beyond things being reduced to "LOL" in written vernacular. Do a lot of people even still read? So many people(even older and educated) can barely write their name anymore, let alone a whole letter. In my teens I used to be quite prolific with writing letters. I just feel like there's this tectonic shift happening and nobody is really noticing. I used to, and maybe still do roll my eyes at the notion of some 'crazy homeless guy' or conspiracy forum person prattling on about electronic frequency warfare and Ted Kazynski like manifestos. But with me, I know I feel mentally and emotionally compartmentalized or stunted because of all this(both in my work and then privately)

The internet has been beneficial, he we all met because of it. But it feels like, (and I want to say unintentionally) the efforts of liberal Silicon valley dreamers has in some way cursed us all
into this strange netherworld or fog. The machines in the Matrix really did take over and noone noticed, and the sudden ash soaked skies of a once clear Tuesday Manhattan morning still reverberate in ways we never could have predicted. As much as I and am very grateful gay/queer/transgendered youth finally have a bigger advocacy; and that the internet has brought awareness and comfort/support to things that used to be more hushed up and under the radar...I sometimes feel frustrated in this coddled techno-cratic smarmy liberal world. You know what I mean...and I'm very anti right wing rhetoric. But something feels wholly inauthentic about this whole Apple-Obama-Corporate Madison Avenue Eco Friendly-conscientious carnavore-politically correct period we're in. I personally do not see it as much better than the 2003 pro Bush/anti anti Iraq war/God Bless 'Merica! vibe.

Anyways, hard to explain what I'm getting at...I just have truly been in a fog, despite working and being out/social/etc every day. My equilibrium seems off, my interest in things have greatly waned, frustration abounds despite a usual zen like mindset. Something is off, something I can't quite put my finger on and I'm wondering if anyone here can relate to this...this odd feeling right now?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:26 am
by jingofever
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:39 am
by justdrew
here's the theme for the feeling...


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 5:33 am
by coffin_dodger
8bit - yeah, I have no doubt that subtle but seismic shifts are underway.

The Western World is going through a deep crisis. An exponentially increasing number of people are quite literally waking up, taking a look at what a self-deluding media is telling them and saying to themselves 'WTF?' But it's a dirty secret that is tough to be openly discussed for fear of being branded a 'doomer' or 'a negative person' - and because it heralds drastic changes to our way of life and we can't be sure if it's for the better or worse.

Cognotive dissonence is also rife at the moment. It has to be, otherwise society would crack wide open. The internet, allowing billions to communicate with one another freely, has exposed many problems that have been there decades. It's too overwhelming for most to assimilate into their own lives and thus - the sense of dislocation is growing.

15 years ago, I studied the run-up to WW2 in great detail. Fascinated by what drives nations of 'normal, civilised' people to slay and maim one another, I never really fully understood the mindset required to propel society to that point. I do now. The financial crisis of the last 5 years is a crisis of confidence for the West, coupled with a direct attack on it's global hegemony by countries that wish to live as we do.

Historically, war could sort this problem out. But that's no longer an option. Ironically, it's the 450 nuclear power stations dotted all over the world that now precludes war amongst the 'civilised nations', not nuclear warheads.
So, we are in unchartered waters. And confused.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 9:12 am
by Wombaticus Rex
Well, you are moving at like 67k mph. Every second. A little nausea is to be expected.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 10:28 am
by tazmic
"The machines in the Matrix really did take over and noone noticed"

Nobody noticed because nothing has fundamentally changed. The technology to augment our fantasies has just brought our behaviour to the surface, into the world, and who's looking at that?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 12:54 pm
by StarmanSkye
Sure, I'm feeling major dislocation and generalized ennui-funk depression -- have been for the past year and more, while trying to figure out how to deal w/ it and triumph over my increasingly-felt marginalization & disaffection with a world that is being assaulted & exploited.

Don't have any clear insights or better understanding I can share or even talk about -- its just a deep funk I feel myself floundering in, hoping to hang-on and just change things enough to make it more bearable -- at least until the revolution happens and another golden rennaisance shines forth.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:33 pm
by brekin
Recently reread Brian Aldiss's short story Working in the Spaceship Yards.
Premise is the narrator is a pipefitter who works with androids in a spaceship yard
constructing gargantuan pilotless spaceships which no one will ever see again after launch.
He finds numerous drafts of suicide notes from his human coworkers who battle
a sense of futility because the androids are so efficient. I won't give the ending away
but just say it is worth the read. Another good one by Aldiss is Who Can Replace Man?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:36 pm
by DrEvil
@8BitAgent: That's a good point about reading. I find myself preferring shorter pieces and having a much higher threshold for starting a book. If it doesn't hook me in the first 5 pages I put it aside, while just a few years ago I would read almost every book I started. On the plus side I finally started reading short stories.
The bit about learning languages is intriguing, but probably soon to be obsolete. Real time machine translation will replace the need to learn another language.

Also, Falguni A. Sheth makes a good point in this piece about white, male terrorists:
http://translationexercises.wordpress.c ... he-script/ (Via Glenn Greenwald at Salon)
Quote:
These men are not mad or crazy. They are the well-trained students of American foreign and domestic policies. They have learned well the United States’ message: that violence and mayhem are the answer.

911 happened 11 years ago. That means that for teenagers/young adults today the War on Terror is the norm. It has always been there. 911 itself is just a vague childhood memory, like the fall of the Berlin Wall is to me, and they have grown up in a world where war, drones and suicide bombs are normal. Violence is acceptable towards others again.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:56 pm
by swindled69
Don't count your chickens just yet. We still have 5 months to go. Curiosity hasn't even cut into rock yet.


Plenty of time for the world to end still.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:25 pm
by 8bitagent
StarmanSkye wrote:Sure, I'm feeling major dislocation and generalized ennui-funk depression -- have been for the past year and more, while trying to figure out how to deal w/ it and triumph over my increasingly-felt marginalization & disaffection with a world that is being assaulted & exploited.

Don't have any clear insights or better understanding I can share or even talk about -- its just a deep funk I feel myself floundering in, hoping to hang-on and just change things enough to make it more bearable -- at least until the revolution happens and another golden rennaisance shines forth.



YES! Year and a half, but more severely this year itself. On one hand I'm closer to big once-unrealistic dream goals(finding investors for a wacky restaurant idea, getting music more out there, indie film projects) but I also feel much more detatched, like a phantom...not quite existing.


our smart phones are our third eye, wide shut...we're already programmed in our every thought pattern, desire, like, language, mannerism, etc...but these smart phones we're so attached to, with zuckerbergian zeal, seem to be an inverted window that is preventing our true growth and human potential.

DrEvil wrote:
911 happened 11 years ago. That means that for teenagers/young adults today the War on Terror is the norm. It has always been there. 911 itself is just a vague childhood memory, like the fall of the Berlin Wall is to me, and they have grown up in a world where war, drones and suicide bombs are normal. Violence is acceptable towards others again.


Indeed...it all seems like a dream.



I often feel like 9/11 was the real Y2K, The Matrix takes place after 9/11 and I agree with WrongWayWizard that Tom Cruise seems to be walking in a late night daze in a very post 9/11 Manhattan in Eyes Wide Shut

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:50 pm
by 8bitagent
Brekin made a very related post here
viewtopic.php?p=473715#p473715

brekin wrote:So I know this is, was, a thread about Sherman Hemsley, bless his soul, but I'm going to appropriate it in his memory
temporarily for this story on actual timeline shifts.

Films like Total Recall remind us how little we understand about how our brain - and our consciousness - shape our realities. http://www.bbc.com/future/story/2012080 ... the-mind/1

How erasable do they think our memories are? Are we already meant to have forgotten the original Total Recall and its career-best performance from Arnold Schwarzenegger as someone whose secret agent dreams may have more substance than his humdrum reality?

It’s barely 20 years since Paul Verhoeven’s freewheeling adaptation of David Cronenberg’s reworking of Philip K Dick’s story, We Can Remember It For You Wholesale, became an instant sci-fi classic. So why the remake with Colin Farrell and Kate Beckinsale that’s just been released? And why now?

Given that much of the 1990 Total Recall unfolds on Mars, it’s tempting to find significance in the new film having had its US release within days of Nasa successfully landing their largest ever rover, Curiosity, on the Red Planet. The only tiny problem with this theory, and one of several big problems with the remake, is that this time round there’s no Martian action. Maybe they didn’t have the budget to go there.

Which brings us to the reason why anyone should try – and in this case fail – to improve on a movie that revels in the bizarre possibilities of waking up to find your memories have been altered and you are not yourself.

The denizens of Hollywood’s dream factory have always been attracted to tangled tales of life as a fairground hall of mirrors, of boundaries blurred between what’s real and illusion, of virtual realties. True lies, as Arnie himself might put it. Total Recall is one of the wild cards in a pack which – off the top of my not-entirely-reliable head – includes Inception, Memento, Vertigo, Spellbound, Fight Club, A Beautiful Mind, Identity, The Matrix, The Truman Show, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, eXistenZ, Long Kiss Goodnight, Brazil and Dark City.

There are hundreds more, even if you don’t count all those horror films that attempt to inject a quick fix of thrills using dreams, dream-within-dreams and movies-within-movies. But there’s one film, which more than any other I know, provides an unexpected inside-our-minds insight into why these kind of cinematic “reality checks” remain so compelling and popular. And it’s a documentary about climbing.

Brain riddle

Touching the Void follows two mountaineers on a near fatal 1985 expedition in the Andes. The 2003 documentary used dramatised scenes with the original climbers playing themselves. There’s a sequence, not in the original release but among the DVD extras, where one of them – dressed in the gear he’d been in when he broke his leg and was later left for dead – starts to freak out. He begins to think he’s still on the original expedition trying to crawl back to base camp, and that everything that’s happened in the last 18 years is just a figment of his imagination, a fantasy his mind has created to comfort himself as he loses the battle to survive.

It’s a chilling moment – emphasised later when he angrily tells the crew: “Do you have any idea how bad it was? ... I died here!"
For all the fictional examples of someone flipping between alternative realities, it’s the only instance I know where you can see it happen to someone who is a person, not a character. It shows how tenuous our grasp can be of where, when and even who we are. We continuously assemble our own universe and position ourselves in it based on our memories, our sense of self and what we are currently perceiving. Change enough of those inputs and we can switch from one version of events to another if it seems more plausible.


Most of us have experienced low-level versions of this when we wake up, perhaps in a strange bed, possibly hung-over, and briefly struggle to come up with a coherent story that fits all the known facts. It helps explains phenomena like false memories, déjà vu, or confabulation, where we effectively lie to ourselves about our own lives.

But the trickier issue isn’t why we can occasionally lose our bearings. It’s how we are consistently able to keep them. What enables the vast majority of us to develop an identity and to maintain it even though we have this nasty habit of plunging into unconsciousness every night? How can each of us be sure the “me” that wakes up is the same as the “me” that went to sleep? Is there any way to reliably tell whether what we see and feel and remember is real rather than illusion or delusion?

There’s much fun to be had – as well as a lot of heavy duty philosophy, metaphysics and epistemology to wade through – wrestling with such easy-to-ask, fiendish-to-answer questions. And even if we get past them, or at least put them to one side, that still leaves us with what’s going on within ourselves to enable all these experiences and perceptions (and deceptions) to be integrated into something, someone, with a sense of themselves.

We are still a long way from developing a widely agreed neuroscience of consciousness, with many researchers shying away from an area so overshadowed by philosophy and riddled with subjectivity. There are all sorts of theories from it arising from high-frequency resonances between different regions of the brain, to it being a form of quantum computing taking place on an atomic scale in microtubules in neurons across the brain and possibly beyond.

Some of the current thinking on this would blow your mind – if only, as we’ve established, it weren’t so tricky nailing down what we mean by “mind”. And by “your”. What we can under the circumstances be reasonably sure is true is that for all our scientific understanding of ourselves and our brains, we remain very hazy on how our selves and our brains fit together.

It’s not something we tend to think about... except perhaps fleetingly on those mornings we wake up disoriented in a strange bed having had one drink too many. Or when a movie deliberately messes with our head.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:27 pm
by justdrew

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 7:25 pm
by 8bitagent
Someone showed me this picture of what the receded flood areas of Pakistan looks like, where trees have become completely cocooned by spider webs and creatures.

Kind of reminds me of the odd sense I get right now, or even my mind at times...

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 10:03 pm
by Hammer of Los
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Quickie: yeah must read that one, JD.

Jet propelled couch?

Warlords of Mars?

And thanks for the Howard Pyle too, while we are at it; http://goldenagecomicbookstories.blogsp ... ost_2.html

8bit, chill.

The world itself is a forest of living symbols arranged by aspects of your own mind for your own edification.

Ya dig?

Rabbit hole spelunking ain't for the faint hearted ya know.

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