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Postby hava007 » Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:10 am

watched on CNN today, immediately hopped here, good to see its updated. Yes, seems like the ring is gradually exposed, ex post facto/mortem, of course, but he was in Jersy island orphanage as well, doing his thingies. I wonder if and when the whole shite comes out including the Israeli wing of it.
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Re: Jimmy Savile: I'd like to comment but I can't...

Postby hava007 » Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:10 am

watched on CNN today, immediately hopped here, good to see its updated. Yes, seems like the ring is gradually exposed, ex post facto/mortem, of course, but he was in Jersy island orphanage as well, doing his thingies. I wonder if and when the whole shite comes out including the Israeli wing of it.
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Postby psynapz » Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:36 am

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Re: Jimmy Savile: I'd like to comment but I can't...

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:40 am

semper occultus wrote:....whoaa..



Tom Watson's blog today:

I cannot give much more detail until the police have been given more time to investigate whether evidence still exists from the mid-nineties, but here is what I can say.

Last week I was contacted by a former child protection specialist who for some years, had been concerned that a wider investigation regarding the activities of convicted paedophile, Peter Righton was not fully investigated.

He contacted me because he knew I had spoken out in the Murdoch scandal. Over the years, he had lost faith in the ability of politicians to get to the truth. The last time he contacted an MP was in 1994. The MP promised to follow up the case but nothing came of it.

The central allegation was that a large body of material seized in the raid on Righton’s home had not been fully investigated. Though Righton was the subject of a BBC profile in 1994 [I think this is the date] “The Secret Life of a Paedophile”, little had been done to follow up the leads from the case. A specialist unit in Scotland Yard had the material which supplemented a wider investigation into organised paedophile rings in children’s homes.

Over the last few days I have spoken to two other child protection specialists who share the concern of the gentleman who contacted me.

Within the material seized at Righton’s home were letters from known and convicted paedophiles. The contact, who has seen the letters, claimed that one paedophile in particular was of great concern. He said that the paedophile, who worked with children, boasted of a key aide to a former PM who could help get hold of indecent images of children. I am not naming the person for obvious reasons but for clarity it is not former MP, Peter Morrison. This afternoon my office has been bombarded with calls regarding Morrison, I think because he was named by Edwina Currie at the weekend as having inappropriate sexual relations with teenage boys.

I’ll say more when I can but this may not be for some time.

I should say that like with the hacking scandal, a number of people have contacted me this afternoon offering more information regarding the case. I am happy to talk to anyone who can help me – particularly those who came into contact with Righton and his contacts when they were young. I can understand how powerless they must have felt at the time – Righton’s net was cast wide.

One person also contacted me to suggest that the Met held a vast quantity of material suggesting Jimmy Savile was a predatory paedophile. I do not know whether this is true but I do know the source and she has been 100% accurate in the past.

One final thing I should say – I made the decision to ask a question of the PM late this morning and had not had time to write to the Met before speaking out. I have no doubt the Met will take this seriously and am sorry I didn’t have time to forewarn the commissioner of my intention to raise the matter.

I have written to him this afternoon with more details regarding the case. This will obviously remain confidential.


Everybody assumed he meant Peter Morrison, former private secretary to Margaret Thatcher, but he says he actually meant someone else. The only other parliamentary aide I can think of that is known to be a paedophile was Phillip Lyon, who prepared PMQs for Tony Blair - but that came out long after Peter Righton's conviction. This is massive though. I'm a bit worried for Watson, all things considered.
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Re: Jimmy Savile: I'd like to comment but I can't...

Postby coffin_dodger » Wed Oct 24, 2012 12:08 pm

Exactly how this will further fracture our already unhappy society is anyone's guess. The truth has never frightened me so much. And I'm used to absorbing all this shit. I wonder at what point the sleeple turn off again 'cos it's all too grim.
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Re: Jimmy Savile: I'd like to comment but I can't...

Postby semper occultus » Wed Oct 24, 2012 3:20 pm

AhabsOtherLeg wrote:Everybody assumed he meant Peter Morrison, former private secretary to Margaret Thatcher, but he says he actually meant someone else. The only other parliamentary aide I can think of that is known to be a paedophile was Phillip Lyon, who prepared PMQs for Tony Blair - but that came out long after Peter Righton's conviction. This is massive though. I'm a bit worried for Watson, all things considered.


...too right.......going back pre-Thatcher looks too much like old hat tbh but it didn't occur to me Watson would try blowing the lid on a Labour PM.....that'd be an act of open internecine political warfare....possibly part of a strategy to neutron-bomb the Blairites out of the Labour party ..??

Watson remains loyal to Brown, but not so to Tony Blair, whom he accuses both of a failure of political leadership and of failure of judgement when he agreed to become godparent to Rupert Murdoch's young daughter. The ceremony, held in March 2010 on the banks of the River Jordan, with Blair wearing white robes,

:shock:

was "inappropriate", particularly as it came just "a month after the parliamentary inquiry had found [News International executives] guilty of collective amnesia [and] two months before the election where his successor and successor cabinet were getting pummelled to death by Murdoch's papers".

Blair might well argue that he was a private citizen by that stage, so what he chose to do was his own business. "I would imagine he would retort in stronger terms than that."

Watson remains unpopular with the Blairite wing of the party. "Animosity among the Blairites is the same as it ever was," says a party insider. "Perhaps more so, because Watson is on a transcendental plane. He's untouchable. It must be unbearable for them."

It's strange to recall that his relations with Blair used to be good. Watson, elected in 2001 at the age of 34, was a New Labour loyalist, a supporter of the 2003 invasion of Iraq and, as late as January 2005, was nominated "Top Toadie" by the Guardian diary. Yet by then it was clear to those inside the party whose camp he was in, and the so-called "curry house plot" the following summer ensured that his Blairite ties would be severed permanently.

As for the plot - in which a handful of junior MPs agreed to send a letter demanding that Blair step aside - Watson says the story needs retelling. According to convention, the coup was planned at the Bilash Tandoori in Wolverhampton on the first Sunday of September 2006. Watson doesn't deny that he was there that night, along with Siôn Simon, a fellow MP and signatory of the letter, but suggests that if they had wanted to keep the occasion secret, the two wouldn't have "signed the visitor's book to say what a lovely curry it was. I just think that every long-form article writer needs a location to place a story."

Regrets, I've had a few

Watson, the only government minister to sign the letter, does not deny that he was seeking to force Blair's hand. However, he says: "It was all done on mobile phones, and anyway it was a riot, not a coup. It was a spasm in reaction to Tony's interview with the Times."

[url="http://www.newstatesman.com/uk-politics/2011/09/watson-news-interview-murdoch"]www.newstatesman.com[/url] 28.11.12
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Re: Jimmy Savile: I'd like to comment but I can't...

Postby semper occultus » Wed Oct 24, 2012 3:39 pm

hava007 wrote:I wonder if and when the whole shite comes out including the Israeli wing of it.


.....presume you saw this nonsense hava.....?

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Sir Jimmy recalled his advice to the Israelis: "I arrived at this reception. The president came to me and asked how I was enjoying my visit.I said I was very disappointed: the Israelis had won the Six Day War but they had given back all the land, including the only oil well in the region, and were now paying the Egyptians more for oil than if they had bought it from Saudi Arabia.

"I said: 'You have forgotten to be Jewish'. He said: 'Would you like to tell my cabinet that?' Next morning, I went to the Knesset; they interrupted a cabinet meeting and I told them the same as I had told him."

Mr Levy recalled: "He was a gorgeous, impish, creative character. Of course, he was an egomaniac, but he was incredibly generous. He wanted to film us walking from Jerusalem to Bethlehem, so there are these scenes trudging the Judean Hills. He had many close Jewish friends, he was a real philosemite. When we returned, I asked him to be a 'Friend' of the Trust and he insisted that I listed him as 'Special Friend'."

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Re: Jimmy Savile: I'd like to comment but I can't...

Postby kenoma » Wed Oct 24, 2012 4:01 pm

semper occultus wrote:
AhabsOtherLeg wrote:Everybody assumed he meant Peter Morrison, former private secretary to Margaret Thatcher, but he says he actually meant someone else. The only other parliamentary aide I can think of that is known to be a paedophile was Phillip Lyon, who prepared PMQs for Tony Blair - but that came out long after Peter Righton's conviction. This is massive though. I'm a bit worried for Watson, all things considered.


...too right.......going back pre-Thatcher looks too much like old hat tbh but it didn't occur to me Watson would try blowing the lid on a Labour PM.....that'd be an act of open internecine political warfare....possibly part of a strategy to neutron-bomb the Blairites out of the Labour party ..??


Seems a lot more likely he was talking about Thatcher's bagman Alistair McAlpine, doesn't it? Perhaps 'aide' doesn't do his role justice, but it's a conveniently non-specific title for Watson to use, and he did after all call himself 'the servant'
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Re: Jimmy Savile: I'd like to comment but I can't...

Postby semper occultus » Wed Oct 24, 2012 6:06 pm

…..good point…..McAlpine fits the bill circumstantially & chronologically

aside from the impossible politics of it as Ahab says the time-line doesn’t work re Bliar & Operation Ore & ”……smuggling indecent images of children from abroad…..” …quaintly analogue…

…..bonus points are still available for any hits on Leon Brittan Willie Whitelaw or even Kenneth Clarke


…more on the medical network …..

Jimmy Savile inquiry looking at alleged sexual abuse by three doctors

Names of at least three doctors passed to police investigating claims of sexual abuse at hospitals linked to former BBC DJ

Sandra Laville and Lisa O'Carroll

The Guardian
Wednesday 24 October 2012 19.15 BST

Detectives investigating the Jimmy Savile scandal have been passed details of three doctors who are alleged to have abused young people in their care, the Guardian understands.

The doctors, identified by victims who have come forward in the last fortnight, worked at hospitals where Savile had links over several decades. The former DJ had an office and living quarters in Broadmoor, a bedroom in Stoke Mandeville, and was given free rein at Leeds general infirmary.

It is understood the names of at least three doctors have been passed to police investigating living individuals over claims that they were at the centre of a loose network of child abusers connected with Savile.

Detectives have not found evidence of a paedophile ring – involving the organised procurement of children for others – but are examining individuals who might have had access to vulnerable children, some of whom were associated with Savile.

The Guardian can reveal that Stoke Mandeville was at the centre of a child sex abuse scandal in the late 1980s when a consultant paediatrician was investigated after a whistleblower came forward to the health authority.

Dr Michael Salmon, a consultant paediatrician at the Aylesbury hospital, was suspended in 1989 after an investigation by government auditors prompted by concerns about possible financial improprieties. During the inquiry investigators found evidence relating to teenage patients of Salmon and a criminal investigation was launched.

Salmon was jailed for three years in 1990 after admitting indecent assaults on two 13-year-old girls and a 16-year-old girl. Three years earlier he had been praised by Diana, Princess of Wales, for helping to organise a trip to Walt Disney World in Florida for 300 disabled children. He was struck off the medical register in 1991. The GMC committee said at the time it was "appalled by the disgraceful behaviour towards vulnerable patients which led to Dr Salmon's conviction".

Dr Raymond Brown, who worked as a consultant paediatrician with Salmon, said he would have known Savile because everyone at the hospital knew him. Savile, who raised £40m for Stoke Mandeville, had boasted that he "lived" in a bedroom hospital managers had given him and could do as he pleased.

"We all knew [Savile] because he was such a presence at Stoke Mandeville," said Brown. "I personally had no inkling about Savile's behaviour. This was all as much as a surprise to me as anyone else.

"He wasn't a person I was mad about but he was a philanthropist and he was responsible for getting an enormous amount of money for the hospital. He would come into the wards, and I never saw a problem with him doing so – all the doctors knew him. I am absolutely shocked by all of this."

Brown said he had had no contact with Salmon since he was sacked and struck off the medical register. Salmon could not be contacted.

The NSPCC said it had received 161 calls directly relating to allegations against Savile, which it had passed to police. The charity has also passed 24 allegations of abuse by others to Scotland Yard.

Peter Saunders, of the National Association for People abused in Childhood, said it had been contacted by 35 alleged victims directly accusing Savile or other people close to him.

The development comes as the director of public prosecutions announced he was to review the original police file sent to the Crown Prosecution Service alleging child abuse by Savile. Keir Starmer will investigate why the CPS took the decision not to prosecute over allegations in 2009.

He has also asked to speak to the attorney general, Dominic Grieve, about whether the CPS should start referring Savile sex abuse cases to other relevant agencies, including social services, where the evidence is not deemed strong enough for a criminal prosecution.

At the time the CPS advised the police that no further action should be taken because of lack of evidence against the BBC star, who was still alive. Savile died in October 2011.

David Cameron said during prime minister's questions that the DPP had ordered a review of the evidence considered by the CPS in 2009 relating to indecent assault allegations against Savile from the 1970s. The evidence was submitted by Surrey police, which began an investigation in 2007. In a brief statement on the scandal, the prime minister said he did not rule out further inquiries into the BBC, hospitals and other establishments where Savile is said to have abused vulnerable children.

"The government will do everything it can do, other institutions must do what they can do, to make sure that we learn the lesson of this and it can never happen again," Cameron said.

"The most important thing is that the police investigation is properly resourced and is allowed to continue."
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Re: Jimmy Savile: I'd like to comment but I can't...

Postby vanlose kid » Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:00 pm

AhabsOtherLeg wrote:
Iamwhomiam wrote:Interesting, Ahab's other leg, "The Met have decided to call the investigation into all of this Operation Yewtree."

A poisonous, seemingly immortal magical tree whose roots run deep and extract the life force hidden below.


The thing that strikes me most about the Yew tree is not so much it's symbolic pagan/Christian heritage and meanings, or it's frequent siting in graveyards, but the fact that it can grow whole new trunks from within the original bole. No other tree can do that. It's a bit like a hydra - cut off it's head, and two grow in it's place.

A single yew has untold lifetimes under its belt. New yews are born from existing systems.


That too.

The Met seem to have been trolling everybody for a while with the names of their high-profile operations (Operation Mason to investigate David Kelly's death, then naming the phone-hacking investigations after notorious traffic-jam areas where nobody gets anywhere). Why though? It can't just be to wind-up the Icke forum.


seems to me the Met are sending out "keep calm carry on" signals with that name. the deadwood get "exposed" but the main stem remain untouched above it all as per...

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Re: Jimmy Savile: I'd like to comment but I can't...

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:49 pm

I never thought I would see this, in the mainstream, like it is now.

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Seems like it's really happening.

So soon after the admissions on Hillsborough as well.

This might be a strange question, but does anybody have an idea of Savile's opinion on the miner's strikes?
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Re: Jimmy Savile: I'd like to comment but I can't...

Postby bks » Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:44 pm

Bully for Watson. I'm glad he spoke out. He's safer that way.
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Re: Jimmy Savile: I'd like to comment but I can't...

Postby Jeff » Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:48 pm

kenoma wrote:Seems a lot more likely he was talking about Thatcher's bagman Alistair McAlpine, doesn't it? Perhaps 'aide' doesn't do his role justice, but it's a conveniently non-specific title for Watson to use, and he did after all call himself 'the servant'
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Well, that is an interesting choice.

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Re: Jimmy Savile: I'd like to comment but I can't...

Postby vanlose kid » Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:01 am

AhabsOtherLeg wrote:I never thought I would see this, in the mainstream, like it is now.

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Seems like it's really happening.

So soon after the admissions on Hillsborough as well.

This might be a strange question, but does anybody have an idea of Savile's opinion on the miner's strikes?


Ahab, you get the feeling that this is a serving of "the system still works" sop for the plebs?

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edit: argh, they're serving up the "plebs" aren't they? and we're lower down the pyramid. do proles rank beneath plebs? what's the correct CLASSicifaction?

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Re: Jimmy Savile: I'd like to comment but I can't...

Postby jcivil » Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:50 am

Story is practically gone in the US MSM. Not on the network sites only a small low placed line on cnn.com
"BBC rocked by sex scandal" and its gone in the chum of stuff.

Best push the hard truths now and hard and simple and clear. Sets of three intriguing irrefutable facts. Hammer away.

Yet even here (Occupied Turtle Island) with all the outrage at Jeff Gannon fake news gay prostitution (Goesh?) and the secret service letting out that Gannon regularly visited Rove privately after hours alone, still the tragic lemmings loved em some Bush and the shitstem. Even when Bush turned up with the signs of a desperate attack by a victim they called it chocking on a pretzel.

So how can this tale of scum, which I an I been hearing for some decades now, suddenly become hot in the U.K.?

Why now?

Brown cow. What are Kris Kristopherson and Ari Fleisher doing? And their ilk, and their ilk.

It is very big, powerful, and sloppy this elite service ring. Watch its tails.

oh dang, look at this nasty little tail flick, dig up this scumbag staunch liberal at guardianuk Michael White today collectivizes and dismisses all victims or claimants to being victims as,

"Since the Savile allegations broke the stone-throwing mob has got completely out of hand. Charities are reporting a quadrupling of calls to register complaints of alleged child abuse. Ambulance-chasing lawyers with time on their hands are marshalling ever-more claimants to sue the BBC, the NHS (it runs Broadmoor and Stoker Mandeville, two Savile playgrounds) and anyone else they can screw a dime out of.

Screw a dime out of - The victims are already doing the screwing. http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/blog/20 ... -bbc-awful

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