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Shooting Rampage At Portland Oregon Mall

Postby 8bitagent » Tue Dec 11, 2012 9:39 pm

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12 ... unded?lite
A shooting at a mall in Portland, Ore., on Tuesday afternoon left multiple dead and wounded, according to Lt. James Rhodes of the Clackamas County Sheriff's Office. There was no confirmation of how many people were killed or hurt.

The gunman had been neutralized, Rhodes said, although he did not elaborate on what that meant. He said police do not believe there was a second shooter, although are investigating witness reports that there was more than one gunman.


Sometimes synchronicities suck. Barely a few minutes after I finish watching the new "Portland Hipster Invasion" episode of The Simpsons and thinking how much I'd love to go there,
there's a mass shooting rampage at a Portland mall. Of course, one of my first thoughts after that heart sinking moment was "wait, Portland has traditional shopping malls?" I literally thought it was all kitchy artisinal indie stores, vegan eateries and open air farmer co-op markets?

Another reason it stood out to me, well the main reason is because it was exactly a year ago this week the last time there was a famous US mall rampage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westroads_Mall_shooting

That one was filled with more syncs than was imaginable(Omaha, Bush, Cheney at a gun store, etc)

Also, why is there always reports of "a second shooter" in virtually every mass shooting case? Is there an explainable phenomenon? From Oslo to Batman, reports by eye witnesses of more than one shooter.
It becomes quick food for the 'conspiracy' crowd to suss out, but I wonder if there's an actual psychological explanation(like how 10 people can describe an attacker in 10 different ways)

Then again, I also realize how detatched and cold it is to even discuss events in terms like these.
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Re: Shooting Rampage At Portland Oregon Mall

Postby The Consul » Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:39 am

Very strange indeed. I saw your post then went to Seattle Times on line and saw this

Brance Wilson, the mall Santa, said he heard gunshots and dove for the floor. By the time he looked up, seconds later, everyone around him had cleared out. Merchandise was scattered in some stores as he made his way to the door.
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"Santa will be back," Wilson said. "It's not going to keep Santa away from the mall."

Read more: http://www.seattlepi.com/news/crime/art ... z2Eowy0XRj"

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Re: Shooting Rampage At Portland Oregon Mall

Postby 8bitagent » Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:13 am

The Consul wrote:Very strange indeed. I saw your post then went to Seattle Times on line and saw this

Brance Wilson, the mall Santa, said he heard gunshots and dove for the floor. By the time he looked up, seconds later, everyone around him had cleared out. Merchandise was scattered in some stores as he made his way to the door.
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"Santa will be back," Wilson said. "It's not going to keep Santa away from the mall."

Read more: http://www.seattlepi.com/news/crime/art ... z2Eowy0XRj"

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Wasn't it exactly two years ago in Portland that the FBI "stopped a jihadist terror plot" by a guy named Mohamed Osama Mohamed? (yet another FBI entrapment case of course)
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"I AM THE SHOOTER"

Postby elfismiles » Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:26 am


News Updates from Citizens for Legitimate Government
11 Dec 2012
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Breaking: 'More than one shooter' on scene at Oregon mall - Reports --Initial reports: Two dead, now authorities saying there is one casualty --Gunman opens fire at Oregon mall, several people shot: officials --More than sixty bullets fired --Gunman had rifle and wore camouflage, body armor, and mask --Mall is in lockdown --Multiple law enforcement agencies, SWAT on scene --Witness: Shooter yelled, 'I am the shooter!' as he ran into the mall, BEFORE the shooting started. 11 Dec 2012 A gunman opened fire at an Oregon shopping mall outside of Portland on Tuesday and multiple people were believed to have been shot and wounded, authorities said. The gunman remained at large at the Clackamas Town Center near the Portland suburb of Happy Valley, said Steve Campbell, spokesman for the city. "There is an active shooter at the Clackamas Town Center," Campbell said. [This story will be updated.]



http://www.legitgov.org/Oregon-mall-wit ... -all-black


Oregon mall gunman shouted, 'I am the shooter'; he kills himself
Los Angeles Times - 9 hours ago - 2250 related articles »
Oregon mall gunman shouted, 'I am the shooter' as he opened fire, witness says. Authorities say 3 are dead, including the shooter, and one is ...
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nati ... 3727.story

KILLER AT OREGON MALL SAYS, 'I AM THE SHOOTER'
U-T San Diego - 1 hour ago
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/dec ... e-shooter/

'I am the shooter,' gunman in camo announces, then opens fire at Oregon mall
Fort Worth Star Telegram (blog) - 8 hours ago
http://blogs.star-telegram.com/crime_ti ... -mall.html
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Re: Shooting Rampage At Portland Oregon Mall

Postby chump » Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:12 pm

http://scallywagandvagabond.com/2012/12 ... egon-mall/

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... Offerred shopper Evan Walters who scurried for cover as hordes of shoppers ran for their lives via local media outlet KATU: ‘It was kind of surreal because we hear pops and loud noises all the time because we’re right here by the food court, but it’s never been anything like that. It was very definite gun shots. I think most all of us knew it was gunshots. There really was no rhyme or reason to them. There were many in a row.’

Which begs the question was there any rhyme or reason to the man’s deadly assault? Was he on a revenge shoot out, had he been seeking to target anyone in particularly or was this all indiscriminate shooting? Which augers another question, why today, what had finally snapped in the man’s head that he needed to go out there and inflict such horrific carnage? And then even more strangely if he had come dressed for battle why did he in the end choose to fatally shoot himself?

Or could one even wonder perversely that the man hadn’t necessarily come to kill an entire town but simply to take a whole community and country hostage with his self capitulation, ensuring himself finally a melodramatic exit from a life that increasingly as for many Americans has begun to lose value or meaning and increasingly lead to some choosing a guns blazing glory self demise?
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Video at link:
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Mall-sho ... =video&c=y

Man comes face-to-face with the shooter

In the video, Roc Sang Kim says he ran into the shooter in the mall. He thought it was a joke because the guy was wearing "dark clothing" and a "white hockey goalie mask." The shooter looked to be 16-18 years old, 5-2 to 5-4 feet tall. He pointed what looked to be a "toy assault rifle at Kim's chest." "His eyes (were) like a little bit worried... And then he looked at me like... through the mask , you know, so I was a little bit scared... feeling strange. Kim said, "Don't do that"; when the shooter turned and headed down a flight of stairs.

Kim believes that the shooting had already started because he could already hear people screaming in the mall...
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Re: Shooting Rampage At Portland Oregon Mall

Postby D.R. » Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:20 pm

I assume that's why we don't know the shooters name yet, he must be a minor.
Should be an interesting train to follow- parents, how he got the weapon, etc.
Seriously; who would yell "I'm the shooter"?
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Re: Shooting Rampage At Portland Oregon Mall

Postby 82_28 » Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:55 pm

I was just now watching some coverage on the news and it seems inconceivable that the dude acted alone just in the sense that he was in the fucking food court. Nobody nowhere was behind him in some way that could incapacitate him? I suppose shock had a lot to do with everything, but I'm just thinking that if I found myself behind a dude *not shooting at me* I would get behind him and attempt to break his neck. But as I say, the only reason I say this is because of this "small" detail. According to police and mall management there were approximately 10,000 people in the mall that day. So, the place was packed. It could have gone any which way, but just a detail that jumped out at me. Yet he only "managed" to kill two and himself. WTF? As chump brings up, it seems there is way more to this.
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Re: Shooting Rampage At Portland Oregon Mall

Postby beeline » Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:58 pm

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Police: Ore. mall shooter used stolen rifle

RACHEL LA CORTE and JONATHAN J. COOPER , The Associated Press
Posted: Wednesday, December 12, 2012, 2:34 PM
PORTLAND, Ore. - The gunman who killed two people and himself in a shooting rampage at an Oregon mall was 22 years old and used a stolen rifle from someone he knew, authorities said Wednesday.

Jacob Tyler Roberts had armed himself with an AR-15 semiautomatic rifle and had several fully loaded magazines when he arrived at a Portland mall on Tuesday, said Clackamas County Sheriff Craig Roberts.

The sheriff said the rifle jammed during the 22-year-old's attack, but he managed to get it working again. He later shot himself. Authorities don't yet have a motive but don't believe he was targeting specific people.

Two people , a 54-year-old woman and a 45-year-old man , were killed, and another, Kristina Shevchenko, whose age could not be confirmed, was wounded and in serious condition on Wednesday.

Roberts, wearing a hockey-style face mask, parked his 1996 green Volkswagen Jetta in front of the second-floor entrance to Macy's and walked briskly through the store, into the mall and began firing randomly, police said.

He fatally shot Steven Mathew Forsyth of West Linn and Cindy Ann Yuille of Portland, the sheriff said.

Roberts then fled along a mall corridor and into a back hallway, down stairs and into a corner where police found him dead from an apparent self-inflicted gunshot, authorities said.

People at the mall were heroic in helping get shoppers out of the building, including medical personnel who rendered aid, Roberts said.

In response to previous mass shootings elsewhere, the first arriving officers were trained to form teams and go inside instead of waiting for SWAT. Employees at the mall also received training to handle such a situation.

"This could have been much, much worse," Roberts said.

The first 911 call came at 3:29 p.m. Tuesday and officers arrived a minute later. By 3:51 p.m., all the victims and the gunman and rifle had been found. Four SWAT teams spent hours clearing the 1.4 million square-foot mall, leaving shoppers and workers to hide in fear.

Roberts rented a basement room in a modest, single-story Portland home and hadn't lived there long, said a neighbor, Bobbi Bates. Bates said she saw Roberts leave at 1:30 p.m. Tuesday wearing a dark jacket and jeans, carrying a guitar case. An occupant at the house declined to comment.

The mall Santa, Brance Wilson, was waiting for the next child's Christmas wish when shots rang out, causing the mall to erupt into chaos.

About to invite a child to hop onto his lap, Wilson instead dove for the floor and kept his head down as he heard shots being fired upstairs in the mall.

"I heard two shots and got out of the chair. I thought a red suit was a pretty good target," said Wilson, 68. Families waiting for Santa scattered. More shots followed, and Wilson crept away for better cover.

Witnesses heard the gunman saying, "I am the shooter," as he fired rounds from a semi-automatic rifle inside the Clackamas Town Center, a popular suburban mall several miles from downtown Portland.

Some were close enough to the shooter to feel the percussion of his gun.

Kayla Sprint, 18, was interviewing for a job at a clothing store when she heard shots.

"We heard people running back here screaming, yelling `911,'" she told The Associated Press.

Sprint barricaded herself in the store's back room until the coast was clear.

Jason DeCosta, a manager of a window-tinting company that has a display on the mall's ground floor, said when he arrived to relieve his co-worker, he heard shots ring out upstairs.

DeCosta ran up an escalator, past people who had dropped for cover and glass littering the floor.

"I figure if he's shooting a gun, he's gonna run out of bullets," DeCosta said, "and I'm gonna take him."

DeCosta said when he got to the food court, "I saw a gentleman face down, obviously shot in the head."

"A lot of blood," DeCosta said. "You could tell there was nothing you could do for him."

He said he also saw a woman on the floor who had been shot in the chest.

Austin Patty, 20, who works at Macy's, said he saw a man in a white mask carrying a rifle and wearing a bulletproof vest. There was a series of rapid-fire shots in short succession as Christmas music played. Patty said he dove for the floor and then ran.

His Macy's co-worker, Pam Moore, told the AP the gunman was short, with dark hair.

Kira Rowland told KGW-TV that she was shopping at Macy's with her infant son when the shots started.

"All of a sudden you hear two shots, which sounded like balloons popping," Rowland told the station. "Everybody got on the ground. I grabbed the baby from the stroller and got on the ground."

Rowland said she heard people screaming and crying.

"I put the baby back in the stroller and ran," Rowland said.

Kaelynn Keelin was working two stores down from Macy's when the gunfire began. She watched windows of another store get shot out. She and her co-workers ran to get customers inside their own store to take shelter.

"If we would have run out, we would have run right into it," she said.

Shaun Wik, 20, was Christmas shopping with his girlfriend and opened a fortune cookie at the food court. Inside was written: "Live for today. Remember yesterday. Think of tomorrow."

As he read it, he heard three shots. He heard a man he believes was the gunman shout, "Get down!" but Wik and his girlfriend ran. He heard seven or eight more shots. He didn't turn around.

"If I had looked back, I might not be standing here," Wik said. "I might have been one of the ones who got hit."

Clackamas Town Center is one of the Portland area's biggest and busiest malls, with 185 stores and a 20-screen movie theater.

Holli Bautista, 28, was shopping at Macy's for a Christmas dress for her daughter when she heard pops that sounded like firecrackers. "I heard people running and screaming and saying `Get out, there's somebody shooting,'" she told the AP.

She said hundreds of shoppers and mall employees started running, and she and dozens of other people were trying to escape through a department store exit.

Tiffany Turgetto and her husband were leaving Macy's through the first floor when they heard gunshots coming from the second floor of the mall. They were able to leave quickly through a Barnes & Noble bookstore before the police locked down the mall.

"I had left my phone at home. I was telling people to call 911. Surprisingly, people are around me, no one was calling 911. I think people were in shock," she said.
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Re: Shooting Rampage At Portland Oregon Mall

Postby justdrew » Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:13 pm

yesterday was a 'dark day' - thick cloud cover and rain all day long. The sun was never seen.
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Re: Shooting Rampage At Portland Oregon Mall

Postby 8bitagent » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:52 pm

The news said a lot more people would be hurt had his rifle not jammed.

I take it there's only a very *specific* part of Portland that has all the artsy eclectic bo-ho hipster people? As that's pretty much the only place I think I'd want to move to there.
I have this image of a shooter using an antique musket with stock parts, wearing a 19th century mustache, skinny jeans, old thymey suspenders and a bowler hat.
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Re: Shooting Rampage At Portland Oregon Mall

Postby justdrew » Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:12 pm

I thought you were in Portland 8bit. Anyway, yeah, it's low-key most places, you get out into the suburbs like where this is, it's Standard Americana all the way. The good places are mostly in NE, centered on what were (and still are to some lesser extent) traditional African American neighborhoods. Standard gentrification, in come the boho's for 10-15 years, then the yupies. except the bubble-bursting kinda put the final stage on semi-hold, and we have now a sort of boho-yuppie class. The whole thing you saw on the simpsons is obviously exaggerated, but to get a sense, look at the roommates needed adds on craigslist.
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Re: Shooting Rampage At Portland Oregon Mall

Postby elfismiles » Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:44 am

Oregon Mall Shooter Jacob Roberts Quit His Job, Seemed 'Numb' Before Attack (VIDEO)
http://abcnews.go.com/US/oregon-mall-sh ... d=17946938


Clackamas-Aurora Syncs and Links
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The morning of 12/12/12, Clyde Lewis of Ground Zero with Clyde Lewis called me. (I am in Portland, Maine; Lewis is in Portland, Oregon.) Lewis wanted to convey his thoughts from being in the midst of this event.
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Clyde gave me permission to share what he recorded on his Facebook page, which parallels some of what he told me over the phone:

ABC News reported that Holmes told police "I am the Joker." Witnesses say the Oregon mall shooter said "I am the shooter." Both declaring their roles in the shooting.
Steve Forsyth [one of the victims] a man that I knew when I worked at KWJJ and MAX 910 AM was shot and killed at the Clackamas Town Center. He was a radio salesman and manager for several successful radio stations at Entercom. He was born in Denver Colorado just a few miles from the Aurora shootings [of] 144 days ago.
Another coincidence of note with the Mall shooting. The shooting at Clackamas Town Center happened in the food court. On June 2, 2012: One person was killed and seven others injured in a shooting at the Eaton Centre in Toronto. That was at a food court. One of the witnesses Jessica Ghawi was a sports writer. At Clackamas Town center one of the chief witnesses is a colleague of mine and well known sportscaster John Canzano! Jessica Ghawi was later killed in the Aurora Colorado shooting.


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Re: Shooting Rampage At Portland Oregon Mall

Postby Luther Blissett » Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:59 am

8bitagent wrote:The news said a lot more people would be hurt had his rifle not jammed.

I take it there's only a very *specific* part of Portland that has all the artsy eclectic bo-ho hipster people? As that's pretty much the only place I think I'd want to move to there.
I have this image of a shooter using an antique musket with stock parts, wearing a 19th century mustache, skinny jeans, old thymey suspenders and a bowler hat.


I love Portland. I think of the area with this mall as the one standout section of the city that's mass appeal-ready. Enough so that, when passing through, it stood out to me.

Most of the neighborhoods give off their own unique timbre, but I'd say it's almost all "boho." Even the city center and the kinda post-industrial / rundown Boise (I think) neighborhood.

My impression of the Portland suburbs is that the anti-sprawl laws are really effective compared to other major American cities, and that the urban very quickly gives way to the very Big Rural. My friends who live there tell me that many of the old, established exurb towns are now west coast-style meth towns, but I did not experience this firsthand.
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Re: Shooting Rampage At Portland Oregon Mall

Postby elfismiles » Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:38 pm


Clackamas Town Center shooting: Police, mall workers trained earlier this year for shooting scenario
By Rick Bella, The Oregonian The Oregonian
on December 12, 2012 at 6:07 PM, updated December 12, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Six months before a lone gunman burst into Clackamas Town Center Tuesday, firing dozens of rounds into the crowds of shoppers, police and mall employees trained together for just such an emergency.

On Wednesday, police and mall employees credited that training, along with quick thinking and brave actions by some of the estimated 10,000 people at the mall, for saving lives. "To be familiar with all the back hallways and stairwells in advance really was helpful," said Clackamas County sheriff's Capt. Kevin Layng, who coordinated Tuesday's massive law enforcement response.

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In late spring, several teams of sheriff's deputies worked with the Clackamas Town Center's unarmed security staff to put on a one-day training seminar during which they staged several "active shooter" scenarios. The security staff later advised mall tenants on how they would be informed of emergencies and how to respond.

"We chose the active-shooter scenario to train with because a real incident has the greatest potential for multiple injuries through an act of violence," said Sgt. Adam Phillips, sheriff's office spokesman. "We actually have trained in several different locations over the years -- schools, businesses and the courthouse. But this last time, we chose the Town Center."

The Town Center isn't alone.

Shopping centers nationwide started training in case of attack after 9/11, said Malachy Kavanagh spokesman for the International Council for Shopping Centers. Over time, Kavanagh said, the threat shifted from terrorists to "lone wolves," shooters who are distraught or disenfranchised from the world.

"These individuals who commit these acts are basically looking to do it in a place where they have the most impact," he said. Malls, often one of the largest gathering places within a community, are targets of opportunity. Since 2005, at least 10 other shootings have occurred at North American malls, including four since June.

The training paid off Tuesday at Clackamas Town Center.

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Re: Shooting Rampage At Portland Oregon Mall

Postby brekin » Thu Dec 13, 2012 8:39 pm

This is local for me, but chalk it up to the internet and not using television or radio all that much but the Aurora shooting seemed "closer" somehow with my information channels. I hadn't even heard about it until much later in the day via word of mouth. I assumed it was a gang thing or robbery. Just really sad for the families. One of the deceased stepped out to take a break from shopping and was talking on the phone with his Dad when it went down.
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