Guns (Yawn)

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Re: Guns (Yawn)

Postby Heaven Swan » Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:27 am

Thanks Luther, for posting your thoughts re: toxic masculinity.

Thanks to #me too I think we're going to more often see men jumping the sinking ship of patriarchy. Not just the legions of liberal men who claim to be feminist to manipulate leftist 'chicks' or as virtue signalling, but men who go through a transformation, break the man code and renounce their privilege in order to stand on the side of what's right.

This comment, left by a man on the Feminist Current site under a post about Rose McGowan's NYC book signing, is an example of man who's jumped ship and has aligned himself with women and other oppressed people. Check it out:

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Robert Gonzalez • 3 days ago


Rose McGowan is doing something right if she is angering so many indoctrinated people. She is relentless and persistent. And in my opinion, there is nothing that scares men more than sustained and organized female rage.

I sincerely hope that she never stops her brave pushing. She does not need to alter or soften her approach in any way. Fuck that rapist, Andi Dier. How dare he do that to a rape victim.

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Elara • 3 days ago


I think you're right about sustained and organized female rage being something scary to men. Them spending so much time trying to convince everyone that female rage is hysteria or that angry women are irrational just proves it. They have to make female rage something that can be laughed at and not taken seriously.

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Robert Gonzalez • 3 days ago


Exactly. The male tactic is to minimize it and quell it whenever it arises before it ever gets out of hand. Society is set up to take care of most of that anger without ever lifting a finger. However, the patriarchy also implements gas-lighting, physical violence, fear and other abuses to keep women firmly in their place.

I believe that men are all aware of their own privilege (yes, even TIMs). And it is for that reason that they don't want women to be angry or questioning, unless it suits their purposes (i.e. sexual empowerment movement). We men sit in a position very similar to that of a slave owner in the Old South. Just as slave owners didn't want an empowered, dominant and self-sufficient slave, nor do men want to see examples of empowered, dominant and self-sufficient women -- as much as they may claim otherwise. Men know that their sustained anger can lead to the upheaval of the established order of things, if it is sustained long enough.

I also believe that all men are taught to be manipulative of the women around them. I remember being keenly aware of my own privilege before I accepted feminism. I had these instilled cues in my mind that I should maintain dominance at all costs. Without a thought I would lie and say whatever needed to be said to get my way with women. You see these attitudes reflected in popularized male hook-up culture, especially. I remember feeling especially threatened and angry when a woman questioned the established misogynistic order of things in a way that affected me. The combination of my insecurity and strong feelings of perceived powerlessness often fueled angry yelling and long-winded arguments with my female companions.

Having known that anger intimately, I can recognize it amplified in these numerous examples of male violence that we are constantly seeing in the news (i.e. mass shootings, rapists, serial murderers, etc.). These men are angry because they feel like they are being robbed of their birthright privilege and assumed dominion over women. Andi Dier was expressing that same privileged rage when he screamed at Rose. To me it is hardly any different than the sheer rage the slave owners must have felt when they were dared to be asked to free the human beings they enslaved. Unrestrained women are, in their eyes, dangerous.



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Elara • 20 hours ago

Thanks for the insight! It's the ugly truth that men benefit from and women fear telling. When it's so ingrained, women disconnect from the realness of it and instead, doubt themselves and their instincts.


note- For those who don't know, the acronym TIM stands for Trans Identified Male

http://www.feministcurrent.com/2018/02/ ... -no-woman/



Luther Blissett » Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:32 pm wrote:That’s exactly what the toxic qualifier is. Women don’t commit mass shootings.

It’s like what Jeff posted: we might be witnessing a culture reacting to strange gods that punish us in insane ways by entering the ritual sacrifice phase of collapse.

I’m optimistic, though. This is why a good deal of my avocation involves constructive and positive community organizing. My practical reaction to mass shootings, if I ever figure it out, will probably be something like “car free cities” or “self-directed pedagogy.”
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Re: Guns (Yawn)

Postby JojoCivil » Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:43 am

The problem is patriarchy, and a feminist revolution that was coopted to serve the patriarchy model long, long ago. Save a few fairly obscure writers, I can not think of a well known woman who is not a servant of the exploitative, environment destroying, elitism worshiping, death culture. The myriad powerful women of our world are terrible collaborators, and training powerful men to take their exploitation underground will do just that if the systemic evils are not confronted. Where has Rose or Ashley or any of these hollywood victims been on the main L.A. film industry, porn? The threat to every aspiring actor: where you can go if you don't kiss enough ass. Like rich and powerful Ashley Judd said nothing, saved no one, for twenty years, to not rock the boat for Harvey, for herself, with no price to be paid save scant inconvenience, is because she is a quisling of the exploitation culture. So women should live life free of domination, but so should the poor, so should all. Radical activist men and women who sacrifice "career" and "status" are who need to looked at for change, and I see none of the BLM or #metoo or any other movement looking to the structure they worship, just the service at their well laid table. If we want freedom we will have to fight for it, hard, and that will require every person to be their own cop, lawyer, legislator, ready to kill or subdue psychos, rapists, abusers, and the death squads the system will send for you... Stand Firm
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Re: Guns (Yawn)

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:56 am



Third graders in Missouri selling raffle tickets for AR-15 after same type of gun was used in Florida shooting
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Re: Guns (Yawn)

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Feb 19, 2018 2:27 pm

THEY'RE BACK!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXVVRyyZ9zQ


Anti-LGBT cult leader calls on followers to purchase assault rifles

Sanctuary Church members “have been asked by the King to participate in the ceremony on 28th February with a crown and a ‘rod of iron’ (AR 15 or AK style weapon),” a press release on the cult’s website reads. “Attending the blessing, either with an AR15 or alike or without, is valid, but to attend with an AR15 would be a substantial ‘perfection stage’ blessing.”

The Sanctuary Church, which also calls itself Rod of Iron Ministries, is a splinter offshoot of the Unification Church, or “Moonies,” founded by the late Sun Myung Moon in the 1950s. According to cult expert Steve Hassan, himself a member of the Unification Church in the 1970s, the Unification Church’s ideology is racist, homophobic and antisemitic.

At a ceremony in 2008, Sun Myung Moon transferred leadership of the Unification Church to his youngest son, Hyung Jin Moon. After Sun Myung Moon died in 2012, a power struggle erupted between Hyung Jin Moon and his mother, Hak Ja Han, who ordered Hyung Jin to go to Korea.

Hyung Jin refused, and instead relocated to Newfoundland, Pennsylvania and founded the Sanctuary Church with the support of his older brother, Kook Jin Moon. Hyung Jin declared the Unification Church invalid since his father’s death, and continued to espouse his father’s teachings while declaring himself the “Second King,” after his father. Kook Jin also relocated his firearms manufacturing company, Kahr Arms, to a nearby county in Pennsylvania.

At the core of the Sanctuary Church’s beliefs is the establishment of “Cheon Il Guk,” a sovereign kingdom of heaven on earth, which is where the assault rifles come in. The missive calling followers to purchase the weapons explains, “To fulfill the ideal of kingship and the nation, we need people, land (property) and sovereignty. Sovereignty means that we are able to defend ourselves against an aggressive satanic world, when we are threatened. We should be able to defend ourselves, not only in an abstract but in a substantial way, as we would do in a sovereign nation. A minimum expression of such sovereignty is a crown and a real gun for defense (the biblical ‘rod of iron’) like a legal AR15.”

The Sanctuary Church has also created what it calls the “Peace Police Peace Militia,” wherein Hyung Jin trains his followers in martial arts, hand-to-hand knife combat and assault weapons. The Sanctuary Church says it attracts about 200 followers to its Sunday services.

Hyung Jin’s sect is explicitly political, like his father’s (Sun Myung Moon was once “crowned” in a U.S. Senate building while declaring himself “humanity’s Savior, Messiah, Returning Lord and True Parent”) and aligned with the far-right. "If Trump needed some Brownshirts to kill the opposition, at the level I was indoctrinated to when I was with the Moonies, I would have done anything I was ordered to do, including dying or killing the opposition," says Hassan, the cult expert.

In fact, the Sanctuary Church is holding a “President Trump Thank You Dinner” on February 24, featuring Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America. A website for the event declares “President Trump has stepped into his calling as God’s representative.”

Hyung Jin has a regular YouTube program called “The King’s Report,” where he recently hosted Paul Mango, a GOP candidate for governor of Pennsylvania. The appearance made waves in Pennsylvania politics after Hyung Jin, wearing a golden crown and camouflage suit with an assault weapon mounted on his desk, told Mango, speaking of public schoolchildren, “They’re not only going to learn the actual required course load, they’re getting indoctrinated into the homosexual political agenda, they’re getting indoctrinated in the transgender agenda saying that their emotions, that they can choose how they feel based on how they feel their gender, which is totally against the bible.”

“Yeah and let me just mention two other things,” Mango responded. Mango’s spokesman later told a local newspaper the candidate “does not agree that schools are indoctrinating our kids.” Human Rights Campaign had previously criticized Mango’s candidacy because of his support for anti-transgender “bathroom laws.”

Cult expert Hassan believes Hyung Jin’s call for his followers to show up with assault rifles on February 28 is just another attempt by the Sanctuary Church to endear itself to the far right. “I don’t think there’s potential for violence at that event,” Hassan says, “but I think they’re trying to play up to Trump, play up to gun owners. They’re very right-wing extremists with a totalistic idea of how the world should be.”
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Re: Guns (Yawn)

Postby Karmamatterz » Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:11 pm

Not surprising that on RI the topic of guns would lead to the usual cliche and derogatory comments about masculinity.

Thanks Luther, for posting your thoughts re: toxic masculinity.

Thanks to #me too I think we're going to more often see men jumping the sinking ship of patriarchy. Not just the legions of liberal men who claim to be feminist to manipulate leftist 'chicks' or as virtue signalling, but men who go through a transformation, break the man code and renounce their privilege in order to stand on the side of what's right.


Heaven, are you ready to turn in your femininity card? Perhaps both men and women should disavow any sense of what it is to be female or male? Then we can all flourish with in harmony flying with unicorns and rainbows will fill the sky. Not a thing wrong with masculinity, it's not toxic. Nor is femininity toxic.

82, if blacks want to go buy guns they can. There are plenty of blacks that already own firearms. Legit gun owners don't have a beef with other people owning guns. The suggestion that a movement be created is obviously a joke as the Left suggesting folks go buy guns would go against their narrative.

I've yet to see any real solutions suggested by anybody for a pragmatic approach to ending gun violence. Make all guns illegal today and gun crimes will not stop. How well did Prohibition work out? Did drinking cease? Did alcoholism evaporate?

http://www.drugwarfacts.org/chapter/causes_of_death

Annual Number of Deaths By Selected Causes in the US, including deaths attributed to Alcohol, Tobacco, and Other Drug Use

Cause of death (Data from 2015 unless otherwise noted) Number
    All Causes 2,712,630
    Major Cardiovascular Diseases [MCD] 832,024
    Diseases of Heart [subset of MCD] 633,842
    Cerebrovascular Diseases [subset of MCD] 140,323
    Malignant Neoplasms [Cancer] 595,930
    Deaths Attributed to Tobacco Smoking (Each year from 2005 through 2009)1 480,320
    Chronic Lower Respiratory Diseases 155,041
    Accidents (Unintentional Injuries) [Total] 146,571
    Motor Vehicle Accidents [subset of Total Accidents] 37,757
    Alzheimer's Disease 110,561
    Diabetes Mellitus 79,535
    Influenza and Pneumonia 57,062
    Drug-Induced Deaths2 55,403
    Nephritis, Nephrotic Syndrome and Nephrosis 49,959
    Intentional Self-Harm (Suicide) 44,193
    Septicemia 40,773
    Chronic Liver Disease and Cirrhosis 40,326
    Alcoholic Liver Disease [subset of Chronic Liver Disease] 21,028
    Injury by Firearms 36,252
    Alcohol-Induced Deaths 33,171

    Parkinson's Disease 27,972
    Pneumonitis Due to Solids and Liquids 19,803
    Homicide 17,793
    Viral Hepatitis 7,461
    Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV) Disease 6,465
    All Illicit Drugs Combined (2000)3 17,0002
    Cannabis (Marijuana)4 0

    2016 Data Detailing Drug-Induced Deaths,
    Breaking Out Specific Data for Natural and Semi-Synthetic Opioids (including Oxycodone), Synthetic Opioids (including Fentanyl), and Heroin,
    as Reported by the CDC7
    Total Deaths Attributed to Drug Overdose 63,632
    Deaths Involving Any Opioid 42,249
    Deaths Involving Heroin 15,469
    Deaths Involving Natural and Semi-Synthetic Opioids 14,487
    Deaths Involving Methadone 3,373
    Deaths Involving Synthetic Opioids Other Than Methadone 19,413

Crickets....yes, that is all one hears when you talk about the massive numbers of people who die each year from over doses and alcohol. Sure, you can say it's voluntary. What about the people harmed because addicts are committing crimes to pay for their next fix? How about the children that go hungry because their f*cked parents are wasting money on heroin? I suppose nobody who visits this site has ever been on scene right after a car load of teenagers have been killed and their heads smashed and bodies a tangled broken mess? How about anybody who visits this site personally know anybody who has been the victim of a drunk driver killing or injuring either yourself or a loved one? How many of you know people who are heroin addicts? The crime and long tail of misery and despair goes on and on....death and misery.

The narrative is about how to attack the evil toxic men. How the Right is wrong. How the patriarchy is at fault. There is no real sense of wanting to find solutions for deep rooted problems. Given that so many more are harmed by drugs and alcohol compared to gun violence it's clear there is some disingenuousness to this entire conversation.
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Re: Guns (Yawn)

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:24 pm

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GUN CONTROL DOESN'T WORK

EXCEPT IN:
* Canada
* Japan
* England
* Spain
* Australia
* Sweden
* Denmark
* Iceland
* Italy
* Isreal
* Germany
* Brazil
* Norway
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Re: Guns (Yawn)

Postby JackRiddler » Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:40 pm

Karmamatterz » Mon Feb 19, 2018 4:11 pm wrote:Heaven, are you ready to turn in your femininity card? Perhaps both men and women should disavow any sense of what it is to be female or male? Then we can all flourish with in harmony flying with unicorns and rainbows will fill the sky. Not a thing wrong with masculinity, it's not toxic. Nor is femininity toxic.


"Masculinity" (all the extra bullshit attached to the happenstance of a sex) hasn't done me very much good so fuck yeah. In real life I've seen it isn't taken very positively except by all the men who fetishize their manliness, who tend to be asses and bullies, so I'm assuming you're one of the same. I have little need of it. Your problem, man.

As to your main point, what you're missing or being obtuse about is, when extremely aggressive fucked up males (which is exactly what they are) take weapons designed to maximize the killing of others, and murder a lot of unexpecting civilians by surprise and at random, that creates bottomless trauma and a movement among the survivors. They don't really give a shit about your sophistry concerning other causes of death, or whatever other NRA-type talking points you're going to pull out. (Sorry, it's nothing like you drinking yourself to death or overdosing because you're having a sad, because you are hallucinating that some fictional left is preventing big men like you from being manly.) The survivors don't care about your bullshit. They don't see their trauma through your highly impoverished lens of this just being left/right politics. They will never forget what was done to them. They are going to fight the fight that was foisted on them. This time circumstances seem to have converged a certain way such that this fight not going away any time soon.

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Re: Guns (Yawn)

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:22 pm

FBI investigating potential money transfers from Russian banker to NRA: report
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Alexander Torshin's relationship with the National Rifle Association is reportedly under investigation by the FBI.

The FBI is reportedly investigating whether Russian money was funneled through the National Rifle Association to help Donald Trump become President.

Federal investigators are targeting Alexander Torshin, a deputy head at Russia’s central bank, who hosted a pair of dinners for a high profile NRA delegation in Moscow in 2015, McClatchy reported on Thursday.

Torshin then reportedly met with Donald Trump Jr. at the NRA’s 2016 convention.

The gun lobbying group reported spending a record $55 million on the 2016 elections, $30 million of which went to supporting Trump’s bid.

Bannon to talk with prosecutors working on Mueller's Russia probe

The figure is triple what the NRA spent four years earlier in the general election for Republican Mitt Romney.

Most of the money was channeled through a branch of the NRA that is not required to disclose donors.

McClatchy reported that two people with close connections to the powerful lobby said its total election spending was closer to $70 million.

The FBI is trying to determine if the uptick in spending was the product of under the table cash coming from Torshin and other Russians.

Trump associate Rick Gates released from home confinement

It’s unclear when the probe into Torshin began, and how much cash he spent.

Special counsel Robert Mueller took over the federal probe into whether anyone in the Trump campaign cooperated with the Kremlin to help the presidential candidate last May.

The House and Senate Intelligence Committees and Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee also have taken an interest in Torshin, according to McClatchy.

Glenn Simpson, the co-founder of Fusion GPS, the company behind the infamous Trump dossier, told the House Intelligence Committee in sworn testimony that Russians had infiltrated the NRA, according to a transcript released Thursday.

“(T)hey seem to have made a very concerted effort to get in with the NRA,” Simpson told lawmakers.

The NRA admitted last year that it made multiple errors in the accounting of its 2016 election campaign expenditures, according to letters it sent to the Federal Election Commission.

The organization blamed flawed software for the mistakes, which, in some instances, resulted in “a double accounting for the same transaction.”

Last summer, NRATV host Grant Stinchfield denied any links between the group and Torshin or other Russians.

Bannon issued first grand jury subpoena in Mueller’s Russia probe

FEC regulations and federal law prohibit foreign nationals from giving to election efforts, including “directly or indirectly participating in the decision-making process” or passing money through other entities such as labor unions or corporations.

The U.S. intelligence community determined that Kremlin officials all the way up to Russian President Vladimir Putin, who is close to Torshin, engaged in a campaign to tilt the 2016 election in Trump’s favor.

Much of the alleged effort was centered around the hacking of Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton campaign aide emails, though investigators have also been looking at potential financial ties and other avenues.

The NRA endorsed Trump as he was wrapping up the Republican nomination and pronounced his support of the Second Amendment.

Torshin is a longtime associate of the group and attended annual meetings for years, including its 2016 convention where he met with Trump Jr. and reportedly tried to set up a meeting with the candidate himself.

He also has his own Russian gun rights group and met with a delegation from the pro-gun lobbying group in late 2015, a party that included Trump-supporting former sheriff David Clarke.

The trip, which included meetings with a host of Russian government and business figures, coincided with former national security adviser Michael Flynn’s own trip to Moscow, which was paid for by state broadcaster RT.
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An NRA delegation including then-Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke went to Russia in 2015.

Flynn has since pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI and is cooperating with investigators.

Torshin was previously accused by Spanish investigators of laundering money through banks in the country for Russian mobsters.

One of his partners in a planned hotel deal on the Spanish island of Mallorca landed in prison after pleading guilty to fraud.

It is not clear how much money changed hands between Torshin and the NRA, which, along with the Russian Central Bank and the FBI, did not comment on the report.

Mueller’s probe has heated up in recent weeks after reports that it has moved from focusing on contacts between Trump officials and Russians to more money-related matters.

Deutsche Bank, the German lender that Trump has done extensive business with, reportedly received a subpoena from the special counsel’s office, though the President’s lawyers have denied that it is about him personally.

A report from Buzzfeed on Wednesday also said that investigators were looking into suspicious money transfers from the Russian government into the United States, though the Russian Embassy in Washington said that all of its financial actions were above-board.

Mueller has already leveled serious charges against several Trump associates.

Former campaign chairman Paul Manafort and his longtime business partner Rick Gates have pleaded not guilty to charges including money laundering.

Like Flynn, former campaign adviser George Papadopoulos admitted to lying to the FBI and is cooperating with the probe.
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Re: Guns (Yawn)

Postby JackRiddler » Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:20 pm

Can you keep your Russian shit out of at least one damn thread?
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Re: Guns (Yawn)

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:24 pm

its about fucking GUNS and the NRA

The title of this thread is Guns (Yawn)

prefectly ON TOPIC!

(Yawn)
pardon me I thought this OP was about guns
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Re: Guns (Yawn)

Postby thrulookingglass » Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:14 pm

I think that ATF stat about gun related deaths may have missed a few. Just, like...maybe all the one's that violent hegemonic warfare creates. I realize I shouldn't be concerned about people being mistreated overseas. The right to eat hot dogs should surely be changed before someone has to give up a precious instrument of death and bloodshed.
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Re: Guns (Yawn)

Postby DrEvil » Mon Feb 19, 2018 9:12 pm

Karmamatterz » Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:11 pm wrote:Not surprising that on RI the topic of guns would lead to the usual cliche and derogatory comments about masculinity.

Thanks Luther, for posting your thoughts re: toxic masculinity.

Thanks to #me too I think we're going to more often see men jumping the sinking ship of patriarchy. Not just the legions of liberal men who claim to be feminist to manipulate leftist 'chicks' or as virtue signalling, but men who go through a transformation, break the man code and renounce their privilege in order to stand on the side of what's right.


Heaven, are you ready to turn in your femininity card? Perhaps both men and women should disavow any sense of what it is to be female or male? Then we can all flourish with in harmony flying with unicorns and rainbows will fill the sky. Not a thing wrong with masculinity, it's not toxic. Nor is femininity toxic.

82, if blacks want to go buy guns they can. There are plenty of blacks that already own firearms. Legit gun owners don't have a beef with other people owning guns. The suggestion that a movement be created is obviously a joke as the Left suggesting folks go buy guns would go against their narrative.

I've yet to see any real solutions suggested by anybody for a pragmatic approach to ending gun violence. Make all guns illegal today and gun crimes will not stop. How well did Prohibition work out? Did drinking cease? Did alcoholism evaporate?

http://www.drugwarfacts.org/chapter/causes_of_death

Annual Number of Deaths By Selected Causes in the US, including deaths attributed to Alcohol, Tobacco, and Other Drug Use

Cause of death (Data from 2015 unless otherwise noted) Number
    All Causes 2,712,630
    Major Cardiovascular Diseases [MCD] 832,024
    Diseases of Heart [subset of MCD] 633,842
    Cerebrovascular Diseases [subset of MCD] 140,323
    Malignant Neoplasms [Cancer] 595,930
    Deaths Attributed to Tobacco Smoking (Each year from 2005 through 2009)1 480,320
    Chronic Lower Respiratory Diseases 155,041
    Accidents (Unintentional Injuries) [Total] 146,571
    Motor Vehicle Accidents [subset of Total Accidents] 37,757
    Alzheimer's Disease 110,561
    Diabetes Mellitus 79,535
    Influenza and Pneumonia 57,062
    Drug-Induced Deaths2 55,403
    Nephritis, Nephrotic Syndrome and Nephrosis 49,959
    Intentional Self-Harm (Suicide) 44,193
    Septicemia 40,773
    Chronic Liver Disease and Cirrhosis 40,326
    Alcoholic Liver Disease [subset of Chronic Liver Disease] 21,028
    Injury by Firearms 36,252
    Alcohol-Induced Deaths 33,171

    Parkinson's Disease 27,972
    Pneumonitis Due to Solids and Liquids 19,803
    Homicide 17,793
    Viral Hepatitis 7,461
    Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV) Disease 6,465
    All Illicit Drugs Combined (2000)3 17,0002
    Cannabis (Marijuana)4 0

    2016 Data Detailing Drug-Induced Deaths,
    Breaking Out Specific Data for Natural and Semi-Synthetic Opioids (including Oxycodone), Synthetic Opioids (including Fentanyl), and Heroin,
    as Reported by the CDC7
    Total Deaths Attributed to Drug Overdose 63,632
    Deaths Involving Any Opioid 42,249
    Deaths Involving Heroin 15,469
    Deaths Involving Natural and Semi-Synthetic Opioids 14,487
    Deaths Involving Methadone 3,373
    Deaths Involving Synthetic Opioids Other Than Methadone 19,413

Crickets....yes, that is all one hears when you talk about the massive numbers of people who die each year from over doses and alcohol. Sure, you can say it's voluntary. What about the people harmed because addicts are committing crimes to pay for their next fix? How about the children that go hungry because their f*cked parents are wasting money on heroin? I suppose nobody who visits this site has ever been on scene right after a car load of teenagers have been killed and their heads smashed and bodies a tangled broken mess? How about anybody who visits this site personally know anybody who has been the victim of a drunk driver killing or injuring either yourself or a loved one? How many of you know people who are heroin addicts? The crime and long tail of misery and despair goes on and on....death and misery.

The narrative is about how to attack the evil toxic men. How the Right is wrong. How the patriarchy is at fault. There is no real sense of wanting to find solutions for deep rooted problems. Given that so many more are harmed by drugs and alcohol compared to gun violence it's clear there is some disingenuousness to this entire conversation.


You're completely missing the point here. The number of people dying from other causes is completely irrelevant to a discussion about guns. Why aren't you railing against cars or heart disease while you're at it?

Lowering gun deaths is "simple":
A) ban everything except hunting rifles and hand guns.
B) have strict regulations on owning guns with background checks and a gun owner registry. No open carry, no concealed carry, no carry period. The only legitimate uses for guns should be hunting and sports.
C) institute a buyback program.
D) have periodic amnesties where people can hand in illegal guns no questions asked.
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Re: Guns (Yawn)

Postby Jerky » Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:12 pm

You know, if you think you've been hearing "crickets" about drug related deaths over the last few years, I think you might want to get your hearing checked.

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Re: Guns (Yawn)

Postby PufPuf93 » Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:15 pm

E) Add ammo control to your list Dr. Evil. :basicsmile
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Re: Guns (Yawn)

Postby Jerky » Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:35 pm

Dr Evil and PufPuf93, that's WAY too common sense and pedestrian for this board! Why aren't you promoting the castration of all men and the deification of all womanflesh, like Karmamatters knows, deep down, y'all WANT to?!

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