Guns (Yawn)

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Re: Guns (Yawn)

Postby Karmamatterz » Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:09 pm

Speaking of outright bullshit:

and of the course the toxic masculinity wave happening now


Don't you mean that masculinity that has existed for all of time? The evilness that is born to men? You know, the guys who make sure the electricity is on and will drive batshit crazy fast to come save your life when you call 911.

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Re: Guns (Yawn)

Postby Belligerent Savant » Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:35 pm

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And the lame excuse that "it won't stop someone of a particular mindset..." is the weakest excuse ever. Nobody is saying gun control will eliminate mass shootings of innocent people 100% of the time.


Is it the "weakest excuse"? How's gun control working now? How much more "control" will it take for there to be a marked difference? Based on what baseline?
Again, hacking away at branches. By all means, continue with the tired refrain, this narrative presented as the solution for an issue that has become more increasingly pervasive in the last 10-20 years.
Where were all the mass shootings ~40 years ago? Far less gun control in the earlier part of the 20th Century...

In other words: as more gun control laws are passed, mass shootings have increased in frequency, not decreased:


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1791
The Bill of Rights, including the Second Amendment -- "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." gains final ratification.

1837
Georgia passes a law banning handguns. The law is ruled unconstitutional by the U.S. Supreme Court and is thrown out.

1865
In a reaction to emancipation, several southern states adopt "black codes" which, among other things, forbid black persons from possessing firearms.

1871
The National Rifle Association (NRA) is organized around its primary goal of improving American civilians' marksmanship in preparation for war.

1927
The U.S. Congress passes a law banning the mailing of concealable weapons.

1934
The National Firearms Act of 1934, regulating the manufacture, sale and possession of fully automatic firearms like sub-machine guns is approved by Congress.

1938
The Federal Firearms Act of 1938 places the first limitations on selling ordinary firearms. Persons selling guns are required to obtain a Federal Firearms License, at an annual cost of $1, and to maintain records of the name and address of persons to whom firearms are sold. Gun sales to persons convicted of violent felonies were prohibited.

1968
The Gun Control Act of 1968 - was enacted for the purpose of “keeping firearms out of the hands of those not legally entitled to possess them because of age, criminal background, or incompetence.” The Act regulates imported guns, expands the gun-dealer licensing and record keeping requirements, and places specific limitations on the sale of handguns. The list of persons banned from buying guns is expanded to include persons convicted of any non-business related felony, persons found to be mentally incompetent, and users of illegal drugs.

1972
The federal Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) is created listing as part of its mission the control of illegal use and sale of firearms and the enforcement of Federal firearms laws. ATF issues firearms licenses and conducts firearms licensee qualification and compliance inspections.

1977
The District of Columbia enacts an anti-handgun law which also requires registration of all rifles and shotguns within the District of Columbia.

1986
The Armed Career Criminal Act increases penalties for possession of firearms by persons not qualified to own them under the Gun Control Act of 1986.

The Firearms Owners Protection Act (Public Law 99-308) relaxes some restrictions on gun and ammunition sales and establishes mandatory penalties for use of firearms during the commission of a crime.

The Law Enforcement Officers Protection Act (Public Law 99-408) bans possession of "cop killer" bullets capable of penetrating bulletproof clothing.

1989
California bans the possession of semiautomatic assault weapons following the massacre of five children on a Stockton, CA school playground.

1990
The Crime Control Act of 1990 (Public Law 101-647) bans manufacturing and importing semiautomatic assault weapons in the U.S. "Gun-free school zones" are established carrying specific penalties for violations.

1994 – The Brady Law and Assault Weapon Ban
The Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act imposes a five-day waiting period on the purchase of a handgun and requires that local law enforcement agencies conduct background checks on purchasers of handguns.

The Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 prohibited the sale, manufacture, importation, or possession of a number of specific types of assault type weapons for a ten-year period.

However, the law expired on September 13, 2004, after Congress failed to reauthorize it.

1997
The U.S. Supreme Court, in the case of Printz v. United States, declares the background check requirement of the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act unconstitutional.

The Florida Supreme Court upholds a jury's $11.5 million verdict against Kmart for selling a gun to and intoxicated man who used the gun to shoot his estranged girlfriend.

Major American gun manufacturers voluntarily agree to include child safety trigger devices on all new handguns.

1998 - June
A Justice Department report indicates the blocking of some 69,000 handgun sales during 1977 when the Brady Bill pre-sale background checks were required.

1998 – July
An amendment requiring a trigger lock mechanism to be included with every handgun sold in the U.S. is defeated in the Senate.

But, the Senate approves an amendment requiring gun dealers to have trigger locks available for sale and creating federal grants for gun safety and education programs.

1998 – October
New Orleans becomes the first U.S. city to file suit against gun makers, firearms trade associations, and gun dealers. The city's suit seeks recovery of costs attributed to gun-related violence.

1998 - November 12
Chicago, IL files a $433 million suit against local gun dealers and makers alleging that oversupplying local markets provided guns to criminals.

1998 - November 17
A negligence suit against gun maker Beretta brought by the family of a 14-year old boy killed by another boy with a Beretta handgun is dismissed by a California jury.

1998 - November 30
Permanent provisions of the Brady Act go into effect. Gun dealers are now required to initiate a pre-sale criminal background check of all gun buyers through the newly created National Instant Criminal Background Check (NICS) computer system.

1998 - December 1
The NRA files suit in federal court attempting to block the FBI's collection of information on firearm buyers.

1998 - December 5
President Bill Clinton announces that the instant background check system had prevented 400,000 illegal gun purchases. The claim is called "misleading" by the NRA.

1999 – January
Civil suits against gun makers seeking to recover costs of gun-related violence are filed in Bridgeport, Connecticut and Miami-Dade County, Florida.

1999 – April 20
At Columbine High School near Denver, students Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold shoot and kill 12 other students and a teacher, and wounding 24 others before killing themselves. The attack renewed debate on the need for more restrictive gun control laws.

1999 - May 20
By a 51-50 vote, with the tie-breaker vote cast by Vice President Al Gore, the U.S. Senate passes a bill requiring trigger locks on all newly manufactured handguns and extending waiting period and background check requirements to sales of firearms at gun shows.

1999 - August 24
The Los Angeles County, CA Board of Supervisors votes 3 - 2 to ban the Great Western Gun Show, billed as the "world's largest gun show" from the Pomona, CA fairgrounds where the show had been held for the last 30 years.

2004 – September 13
After lengthy and heated debate, Congress allows the 10-year old Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 banning the sale of 19 types of military-style assault weapons to expire.

2004 – December
Congress fails to continue funding for President George W. Bush’s 2001 gun control program, Project Safe Neighborhoods.

Massachusetts becomes the first state to implement an electronic instant gun buyer background check system with fingerprint scanning for gun licenses and gun purchases.

2005 – January
California bans the manufacture, sale, distribution or import of the powerful .50-caliber BMG, or Browning machine gun rifle.

2005 – October
President Bush signs the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act limiting the ability of victims of crimes in which guns were used to sue firearms manufacturers and dealers. The law included an amendment requiring all new guns to come with trigger locks.

2008 – January
In a move supported by both opponents and advocates of gun control laws, President Bush signed the National Instant Criminal Background Check Improvement Act requiring gun buyer background checks to screen for legally declared mentally ill individuals, who are ineligible to buy firearms.

2008 – June 26
In its landmark decision in the case of District of Columbia v. Heller, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the Second Amendment affirmed the rights of individuals to own firearms. The ruling also overturned a 32-year old ban on the sale or possession of handguns in the District of Columbia.

2010 – February
A federal law signed by President Barak Obama takes effect allowing licensed gun owners to bring firearms into national parks and wildlife refuges as long as they are allowed by state law.

2015 – July 29
In an effort to close the so-called “gun show loophole” allowing gun sales conducted without Brady Act background checks, U.S. Rep. Speier, Jackie (D-California) introduced the Fix Gun Checks Act of 2015 (H.R. 3411), to require background checks for all gun sales including sales made over the Internet and at gun shows.

2016 - June 12
President Obama again called on Congress to enact or renew a law prohibiting the sale and possession of assault-style weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines after a man identified as Omar Mateen killed 49 people in an Orlando, Florida gay nightclub on June 12, using an AR-15 semiautomatic rifle. In a call to 911 he made during the attack, Mateen told police he had pledged his allegiance to the radical Islamic terrorist group ISIS.

2017 – September
In September 2017, a bill titled “Sportsmen Heritage and Recreational Enhancement Act,” or SHARE Act (H.R. 2406) advanced to the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives. While the main purpose of the bill is to expand access to public land for, hunting, fishing, and recreational shooting, a provision added by Rep. Jeff Duncan (R-South Carolina) called The Hearing Protection Act would reduce the current federal restrictions on purchasing firearm silencers, or suppressors.

Currently, the restrictions on silencer purchases are similar to those for machine guns, including extensive background checks, waiting periods, and transfer taxes. Rep. Duncan’s provision would eliminate those restrictions.

Backers of Duncan’s provision argue that it would help recreational hunters and shooters protect themselves from hearing loss. Opponents say it would make it harder for police and civilians to locate the source of gunfire, potentially resulting in more casualties.

Witnesses to the deadly mass shooting in Las Vegas on October 1, 2017, reported that the gunfire coming from the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Resort sounded like “popping” that was at first mistaken as fireworks. Many argue that the inability to hear the gunshots made the shooting even more deadly

2017 – October 1
On October 1, 2017, barely over a year after the Orlando shooting, a man identified as Stephen Craig Paddock opened fire on an outdoor music festival in Las Vegas. Shooting from the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay hotel, Paddock killed at least 59 people and wounded more than 500 others.

Among the at least 23 firearms found in Paddock’s room were legally-purchased, semi-automatic AR-15 rifles which had been fitted with commercially-available accessories known as “bump-stocks,” which allow semi-automatic rifles to be fired in fully-automatic mode of up to nine rounds per second. Under a law enacted in 2010, bump-stocks are treated as legal, after-market accessories.

In the aftermath of the incident, lawmakers on both sides of the isle have called for laws specifically banning bump stocks, while others have also called for renewal of the assault weapons ban.

2017 – October 4
Less than a week after the Las Vegas shooting, U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-California) introduced the “Automatic Gunfire Prevention Act” that would ban the sale and possession of bump stocks and other devices that essentially turn a semiautomatic weapon to fire in fully-automatic mode.

“It shall be unlawful for any person to import, sell, manufacture, transfer or possess, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, a trigger crank, a bump-fire device or any part, combination of parts, component, device, attachment or accessory that is designed or functions to accelerate the rate of fire of a semiautomatic rifle but not convert the semiautomatic rifle into a machine gun,” the bill states.

2017 – October 5
U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-California) introduced the Background Check Completion Act Sen. Feinstein said would close a current loophole in the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act that allows gun sales to proceed if a background check is not completed after 72 hours, even if the gun buyer is not legally allowed to purchase a gun.

“Current law allows gun sales to proceed after 72 hours — even if background checks aren’t approved. This is dangerous loophole that could allow criminals and those with mental illness to complete their purchase of firearms even though it would be unlawful for them to possess them,” said Feinstein.

The The Background Check Completion Act would require that a background check be fully completed before any gun buyer who purchases a gun from a federally-licensed firearms dealer (FFL) can take possession of the gun.
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Re: Guns (Yawn)

Postby Elvis » Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:00 pm

I think machismo or "macho" is the word sought here to describe the sort of overwrought "manliness" some men are so greatly concerned with. Whereas "masculine" has a more objective meaning, describing physical sex traits or gender qualities.

Think about the males you admire: they may be quite masculine, but without a toxic macho attitude. Macho seems to typically flow from emotional/sexual insecurities.

Gun control is a tricky question for sure, I don't have any easy answers. Just had a thought: Maybe better screening would occur if guns were only sold through state-owned & operated stores, as with state liquor stores in some states. Libertarians will howl, of course.
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Re: Guns (Yawn)

Postby Jerky » Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:08 pm

The Second Amendment prevents the federal government from completely abolishing official state militias - nothing more, nothing less. Nothing in the Constitution prevents the federal or state governments, or both, from outlawing the formation of storm trooper squads on U.S. soil and limiting gun ownership to members of the National Guard. Members of right-wing paramilitary militias, of course, might claim a "natural right of revolution," of the sort invoked by the American patriots of 1776 (and by the Confederates in 1860-61), There is no constitutional right to revolution, however. There is, of course, a provision for instances where armed bands amass weapons and attempt to overthrow the federal government. The Constitution permits the death penalty for treason.
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Re: Guns (Yawn)

Postby Jerky » Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:12 pm

Also, Kammerammerantz, there's a marked difference between masculinity and TOXIC masculinity. When you freak out at someone mentioning TOXIC masculinity, straw-manning that it is an attack on ALL masculinity, I dare say you might just be engaging in a bit of that toxic masculinity that's been rampant 'round these parts of late (the world, not this board). Think of GamerGate. The so-called Men's Rights movement. The Alt-Right movement that is partially built on a foundation of anti-feminism. It's pretty obvious, I think, to any fair minded observer that a toxic masculinity problem does indeed exist. It's no attack on men to say so.

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Guaranteed to slaughter like it oughta

Postby Harvey » Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:03 pm

Message from a Russian troll.

Let me further alienate anyone who may think they are sympathetic with my understanding by pointing out that the only group who consistently benefit from gun related murders are those who make or sell guns. End of. Those who make them, and those who sell them. Those who make them, and those who sell them. Those who make them, and those who sell them.

Of course every film or film maker who feature guns, they benefit. Of course every magazine or video game who feature guns benefit. Of course every author or journalist who extols the virtue of accelerating pieces of metal to the velocity that they can shred skin and bone benefit. Of course. The evidence is there to behold. They benefit. They aren't even the main beneficiaries. Those who make the guns are. Those who make the guns make you.

The one's who don't, they have no argument you say. They are no longer in the game, they don't want to be in the game or they're dead.

If the same voices who sell the guns also sell the wars then I have to ask, how serious are you about others ability to live in peace without being shredded by your favoured guns, bombs or napalm?

If you're pro gun, you aren't serious, you're a victim of marketing and a perpetrator of mass murder. The moment you need a gun to survive, you may have an argument. That point hasn't arrived or isn't remotely relevant for the vast majority of humans. The rest is salesmanship. A 'sales pitch.' The rest is the American (and the Australian and the British) story. How the gun created nation states through genocide.

Grow up or die. Your fascination with the illusion of power which a gun gives to you is out of time. You're out of time.

Mark Steel (comedian for chrissakes):

Guaranteed to slaughter like it oughta

After yet another shooting in a school in America, surely the time has come when we have to listen to the arguments of ordinary Americans and issue every child over the age of six months with a gun.

The only way to keep kids safe is to make sure they’re heavily armed as soon as they’ve developed the ability to grip. Obviously this leaves smaller babies vulnerable, so they should be given voice-activated flame-throwers that scorch anyone within 20 yards whenever there’s a gurgle.

Then the teachers can get on with the job of teaching kids how to shoot things. When a college student goes wild with a Heckler & Koch 9mm pistol, instead of telling them off like we do at the moment, they can offer advice, and say, “Watkins, WHAT have I told you about lining up your target? You did very well to murder three boys in the doorway but you completely missed Mr Nolan the caretaker.”

This shooting in Florida was the 18th such event in an American school this year. Soon there will be so many they won’t be news; they’ll be read out like the football results each Saturday afternoon. The announcer will say: “Here are this week’s shooting sprees in schools: Kansas 3, Wyoming 1, Montana 2, Texas FOUR.”

Then, instead of moaning about these incidents, they can be incorporated into lessons. A maths teacher might say, “This morning there were 28 of us in the classroom. Now four of us are lying in a pool of blood. Express as a fraction the amount of us who have survived.”

The National Rifle Association and fellow opponents of gun control used to be a bit sheepish after each shooting. They’d stay quiet for a week, then mumble a statement such as, “In the light of events, maybe we shouldn’t say anything until we know the facts, as it might be that the gunshot wounds weren’t caused by a gun.”

So it’s good to see they’ve got over that timid phase, and now they respond to a massacre by saying, “Yeeeehahhhh, did you see what that dude was using? Awesome.”

Then they emphasise that a critical clause in the original constitution of their country asserts the fundamental right of every citizen to carry a gun. That makes sense, as the founders of the nation ensured the common man should have the right to oppose the tyrant, and protected the right of the colony to defend themselves against a foreign dictator, by enshrining in law the power of the governed to resist unfair governance. And that’s exactly the same as protecting the right of a bloke who sits in an attic for eight months at a time playing computer games who thinks he’s been sent to earth by the Mighty Thor to buy a semi-automatic rifle so he can blast everyone in a shoe shop in Wyoming.

Americans’ insistence about their right to own guns is sometimes difficult for outsiders to comprehend. But it’s linked to their fundamentalist Christian beliefs, and we should respect that, because when Jesus was asked what he would do if someone slapped him on the right cheek, he said, “Load my A15 semi-automatic rifle and fire at random strangers in a shopping centre in Nazareth.”

Indeed if there is a cheery side to this latest slaughter, it’s the excellent publicity it’s provided for the AR15. Because it was used not only in this shooting, but in the Sutherland Springs school shooting in Texas, and for the one in Las Vegas. So the manufacturers will rush out an advert that goes: “Hi, I’m a lunatic who eats raw squirrels and lives in a bedsit with the Devil, and when I go crazy in a school playground I always take my AR15 – it’s guaranteed to slaughter like it oughta.” Then Charlton Heston can say: “AR15: the choice of nine out of 10 fruitbat gunmen across the United States.”

The main argument we’re used to hearing from gun-toting Americans is that each new massacre proves not how dangerous guns are but how dangerous it is to not have a gun. Because the best protection against a wild gunman is a gun.

And this is true. Similarly, not many people get killed by crazy people driving their tank through a school or a shopping centre. This might be because it’s quite tricky, even in America, to buy a tank. But there is a more sensible way of looking at this, which is that if someone were to go berserk with a tank, the rest of us would have no protection. So we should immediately make it legal to possess your own personal tank.

Within a couple of years, tanks would be as easy to buy as guns are now. You could get 2 for 1 during happy hour at Hank’s Tanks, and some days you’d get one free when you bought an Aero, and before long, millions of people would have tanks so no one would need worry about tanks.

So the only problem is how to make us as safe globally from the danger of guns as they are in America. The answer must be to give other countries more guns. Trump must start giving shiploads of them to Syria and North Korea, so we can all stop worrying.

And the National Rifle Association, along with the rest of the gun lobby, will all join Isis, as the Islamic caliphate is the nearest to a society where everyone has a gun.

Then at the current rate there will soon be thousands of shooting sprees a day, until there are only three people left alive in the whole of America, each pointing guns at the heads of the other two, unable to work or hold any food, so they live by nibbling berries and never falling asleep, and at last they’ll be safe.


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Re: Guns (Yawn)

Postby Jerky » Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:53 pm

Funny. I think this may actually end up being the very FIRST thing that happens in terms of improving the firearms situation in the US.

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Re: Guns (Yawn)

Postby stefano » Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:00 pm

Check out the video on this tweet. At least 1,500 kids marching on the Capitol

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/966356280523804673
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Re: Guns (Yawn)

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Feb 21, 2018 3:50 pm

http://www.davideverettfisher.com/the-t ... l-shooter/

A man must fight, scratch, fuck (only women), yell, muscle his way to the top of the pecking order. There is a hierarchy in manhood. I couldn’t seem to get up from the very bottom. If I even hope to glance at the light at the top deserved me getting punched.

The first day at Wilson High School, some seniors who knew me used me for a football game – as the football. I ran for it when they had to punt. It wasn’t my first bloody nose, and it wouldn’t be my last.

A man must be able to have sex with hot women. It would be weird if he didn’t. He would be questioned. A man’s whole existence is to have women have sex with him, or at least want to. Women owe that to men. If women don’t want to have sex with you, you are nothing.

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Re: Guns (Yawn)

Postby stefano » Wed Feb 21, 2018 4:34 pm

JackRiddler » Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:50 pm wrote:http://www.davideverettfisher.com/the-time-i-was-almost-a-school-shooter/

A man must fight, scratch, fuck (only women), yell, muscle his way to the top of the pecking order. There is a hierarchy in manhood. I couldn’t seem to get up from the very bottom. If I even hope to glance at the light at the top deserved me getting punched.

The first day at Wilson High School, some seniors who knew me used me for a football game – as the football. I ran for it when they had to punt. It wasn’t my first bloody nose, and it wouldn’t be my last.

A man must be able to have sex with hot women. It would be weird if he didn’t. He would be questioned. A man’s whole existence is to have women have sex with him, or at least want to. Women owe that to men. If women don’t want to have sex with you, you are nothing.


Good read, thanks.
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Re: Guaranteed to slaughter like it oughta

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:52 pm

Harvey » Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:03 pm wrote:If you're pro gun, you aren't serious, you're a victim of marketing and a perpetrator of mass murder. The moment you need a gun to survive, you may have an argument. That point hasn't arrived or isn't remotely relevant for the vast majority of humans. The rest is salesmanship. A 'sales pitch.' The rest is the American (and the Australian and the British) story. How the gun created nation states through genocide.

Grow up or die. Your fascination with the illusion of power which a gun gives to you is out of time. You're out of time.


Excellent summation, Harvey. Not much more to add about anyone like that, except maybe a Dylan lyric:

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He’s only a pawn in their game."
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Re: Guns (Yawn)

Postby DrEvil » Wed Feb 21, 2018 6:03 pm

Karmamatterz » Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:01 pm wrote:
Your list above is completely pointless. Of course you can kill people with any number of things. So what? It has no relevance to the gun debate. You're saying that people can be killed with knives so we shouldn't do anything about guns, which is ridiculous.


I guess it has to be pointed out to you since you're being thick headed.

There are plenty of things that can be used as weapons. Guns are not the only weapons out there. It's obviously going over your head that if someone wants to kill they will find whatever weapon(s) they can. Motive and opportunity play a role. Want to make a political statement? Pack a truck full of fertilizer. Insane and full of rage over being bullied? Buy or steal a gun. Can't find one of those? Use a hammer or knife. Steal a car, or use your parent's car. Guns aren't the only weapon. Why is that so difficult for you go understand?


Come on, this really isn't that hard to understand. If you take away the guns there isn't going to suddenly be cars ramming into people left and right. Guns make it a lot easier for demented cowards to kill lots of people. Take them away and a lot of the fucktards fantasizing about shooting up their school will stop at just fantasizing about it.

My evidence: every single country with strict gun laws where mass murder by other means is not common. The US is the only country with this problem, and it's the only country awash with guns. Do the math.

You're arguing that Americans as a people are so completely fucked up that you will have mass murders left an right no matter what, which I disagree with. You're not that fucked up.
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Re: Guns (Yawn)

Postby Karmamatterz » Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:06 pm

You're arguing that Americans as a people are so completely fucked up that you will have mass murders left an right no matter what, which I disagree with. You're not that fucked up.


Oh yeah? LOL...we are totally fucked up! Yes, it's a screwy country. Democracy, eerrrrrr pseudo democrazy is messy. The guns aren't going away. People are just fantasizing about that and making themselves miserable because reality doesn't match what they want.

If you take away the guns there isn't going to suddenly be cars ramming into people left and right.


Ask the people that got plowed over in France and New York City last year. Then read this:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/201 ... 819485001/
A terrorist plowed through a busy bicycle path near the World Trade Center memorial in Lower Manhattan on Tuesday and fatally struck eight people — the latest incident in which a vehicle (in this case, a rented truck) has been used as a weapon.

Here's a look at the disturbing trend that requires little organization, manpower or technological know-how.

Barcelona, Spain
In August, a terrorist driving a van killed 14 people and injured at least 100 on Barcelona's heavily touristed pedestrian area of La Ramblas.


I would have to say all mass murderers are fucking cowards, not just the loons who use guns. They are all sick fuckers that have messed up antisocial or psychopathic mental illness(es).

Go back and read the list I posted yesterday. There are mass murders all over the globe. The U.S. just seems to have it's own unique fucked up way of going about it and the frequency is insane. The U.S. is not some other country. And frankly it's getting old that you're constantly trying to convince us we should be just like everybody else. The U.S. is not like Finland or Sweden, and I don't think most people here want to model America after them. Lots of people here do like guns and are not going to part with them. I'm not you're audience obviously. Others on RI will agree with you. But take a step outside of the RI bubble and into "normal" America and plenty of people aren't interested in what you're selling. I had to laugh this morning when the very Left local newspaper ran a poll this week and 80% of respondents voted for less gun control. This is a blue county by the way, not your typical rural Ohio red. Polls, pretty much garbage in, garbage out.

A few weeks ago you were complaining about free speech in America. You know, we kinda like free speech, it keeps things spicy.
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Re: Guns (Yawn)

Postby 82_28 » Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:54 pm

This is real. Not photoshopped. It's from the "listening session" dump had at the White House a little while ago.
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Re: Guns (Yawn)

Postby Burnt Hill » Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:34 pm

This one -
Belligerent Savant wrote:1994 – The Brady Law and Assault Weapon Ban
The Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act imposes a five-day waiting period on the purchase of a handgun and requires that local law enforcement agencies conduct background checks on purchasers of handguns.

The Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 prohibited the sale, manufacture, importation, or possession of a number of specific types of assault type weapons for a ten-year period.

However, the law expired on September 13, 2004, after Congress failed to reauthorize it.


Didn't this one actually correlate with a decrease in assault weapon deaths?
And then the rate started climbing after it was not reauthorized?
And isn't it true that states that have initiated magazine capacity limits have also seen a drop in mass shootings?
I know it seems like we are playing wack-a-mole sometimes.
But the mole does not always win.

Belligerent Savant wrote:In other words: as more gun control laws are passed, mass shootings have increased in frequency, not decreased:
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