A thread for substantively examining Philip Marshall's research.
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by FourthBase » Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:02 pm
by conniption » Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:40 pm
FourthBase wrote:A thread for substantively examining Philip Marshall's research.
Carry on!
9 of 38 people found the following review helpful
1.0 out of 5 stars The Big Bamboozle, March 26, 2012
By sokker
This review is from: The Big Bamboozle: 9/11 and the War on Terror (Paperback)
Marshall should stick to flying. Marshall has flipped his mind to say the least. His book is disconnected and erratic as a previous reviewer has discussed. I truely do not believe much he has to say.
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Initial post: Mar 28, 2012 12:35:39 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 6, 2012
Philip Marshall says:
Dear Mr. sokker,
I was in a unique position to investigate the most disturbing event of our generation which happened at my place of employment and within my area of expertise. My fellow pilots were murdered while on duty.
Of course I wanted to know how it happened and what could be done to ensure it never happened again. I wasn't comfortable going to work after 9/11 and there was no information coming down to airline pilots on what really happened. So, what would you do, Mr. "sokker"?
This book is a compilation of works from the nation's top investigators, so if it seemed disconnected its because parts of the book are federal reports and other parts of the book are from commissioners complaining about Dick Cheney and his obstruction of justice. You have to read the entire book, not just skim through the pages.
If this book is too hard for you to follow, I recommend The Pet Goat. It is a fascinating story and you won't be able to put it down.
by FourthBase » Sun Mar 24, 2013 2:46 am
by conniption » Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:36 am
by bks » Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:25 am
by barracuda » Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:42 pm
Deputy Calaveras County Coroner Keith Rosa said Monday that toxicology reports on Philip Marshall and his two teenage children were complete and results had been sent to the Calaveras County Sheriff’s Office.
Marshall, 54, is believed to have fatally shot his two children, Alex, 17, Macaila, 14, and the family dog before turning the gun on himself at his home in Forest Meadows in early February.
Since then, some people have suggested Marshall wasn’t capable of taking the lives of his family, and the incident may have been a triple murder rather than a double murder-suicide.
Many other explanations of what happened have surfaced over past months as well.
Sgt. Chris Hewitt with the Calaveras County Sheriff’s Office adamantly denied such theories and said the investigative unit working on the case is top-notch.
“Everyone should know that our detectives are professional, very experienced and highly trained,” he said. “I would put them up against any detective from any other agency any day of the week.”
“Based on the facts and evidence gathered during the investigation, we stand behind our conclusion that Philip Marshall was the shooter,” he continued.
To give the public a better understanding of the investigation, Hewitt is preparing a lengthy press release – six pages as of Monday – that he believes will put any conspiracy theories to rest.
“It’s going to summarize the entire investigation, highlight the important points, and hopefully answer the questions numerous people have put to the Sheriff’s Office,” he said.
Hewitt said Calaveras County Sheriff Gary Kuntz will review the release with Alex and Macaila’s mother, Sean, before it will be made public.
Part of that release will likely include the toxicology results of blood samples taken from the victims and their father.
Rosa said the results were sent to the Sheriff’s Office once the Coroner’s Office received them, and he couldn’t comment further at this time.
That report may reveal whether there were any unusual substances in Philip, Alex or Macaila’s bloodstreams.
See Friday’s print edition of the Calaveras Enterprise for a summary of the full press release, providing the Sheriff’s Office has released it.
by FourthBase » Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:03 pm
Phillip Marshall Wrote About a Conspiracy; Was He the Victim of One?
by Editor on February 12, 2013 in News
A Santa Barbara View Exclusive Report
Former airline pilot Phillip (alternately, “Philip”) Marshall spent a great deal of time around Santa Barbara last year preparing for the release of his controversial 9/11 conspiracy book “The Big Bamboozle: 9/11 and the War on Terror.”
During the editing and pre-marketing process of Marshall’s book, he expressed some degree of paranoia because the nonfiction work accused the George W. Bush administration of being in cahoots with the Saudi intelligence community in training the hijackers who died in the planes used in the attacks.
“Think about this,” Marshall said last year in a written statement, “The official version about some ghost (Osama bin Laden) in some cave on the other side of the world defeating our entire military establishment on U.S. soil is absolutely preposterous.”
Marshall went on to say: “The true reason the attack was successful is because of an inside military stand-down and a coordinated training operation that prepared the hijackers to fly heavy commercial airliners. We have dozens of FBI documents to prove that this flight training was conducted California, Florida and Arizona in the 18 months leading up to the attack.”
The veteran pilot confided that he was concerned about his 10-year, independent 9/11 study and most recent book since they pointed to the Saudis and the Bush intelligence community as the executioners of the attack that defeated all U.S. military defenses on Sept. 11, 2001. Marshall said he knew his book might cause some people to take issue with him.
Slaying victims Alex and Macaila Marshall with their father, Phillip Marshall.
However, could last weekend’s killings in the remote, gated community of Forest Meadows outside the tiny town of Murphys be another conspiracy? Although sheriff’s investigators don’t know the motive, they reported that the killings as a double murder and suicide. Marshall was found in his home’s doorway in a pool of blood with a 9mm Glock pistol that he had just showed to a friend two weeks ago.
The Calaveras County coroner is having a toxicology report performed on the blood of Marshall and his children to determine if any drugs are present in their blood streams, which is standard procedure in cases like this. Reports from the county sheriff indicate the children were sleeping when shot. The coroner said Macaila Marshall, 14, and Alex Marshall, 17, were lying 6 feet from each other on separate parts of a large U-shaped sectional couch.
When asked whether it was possible the children were drugged, the coroner said he couldn’t say yet. “That’s a good question,” he said in published reports. “We will be checking tox on everybody. It did appear as though they were sleeping.” The toxicology results and pathologist’s report could be completed within three weeks.
“Cause of death is all going to be single gunshot wound to the head for everybody,” the coroner said. The family dog also was found dead from a gunshot in a bedroom.
Calaveras County officials said conspiracy theories about the deaths are growing on online comment forums below stories about the incident. Many of these stem from Marshall’s involvement with the CIA as a contract pilot in the 1980s and the books he wrote about 9/11.
The children’s mother, Sean Marshall, was traveling on business in Turkey at the time of the killings. The coroner said she is expected to arrive in the area soon to make funeral arrangements.
2008 crime reports indicate friction between Marshall and his spouse. Phillip Marshall was jailed briefly on suspicion of slapping Sean Marshall’s sister, but he was not prosecuted. Last year, Marshall told one of his book editors that he still was disputing custody of his children with his ex-wife, but gladly attended his son’s football games and was quite close with daughter.
However, at that time Marshall was heavily involved with publishing what became his last book.
“After an exhaustive 10-year study of this lethal attack that used Boeing airliners filled with passengers and fellow crew members as guided missiles, I am 100 percent convinced that a covert team of Saudi intelligence agents was the source of logistical, financial and tactical resources that directed essential flight training to the 9/11 hijackers for 18 months before the attack,” Marshall wrote. “This conclusion was determined six years ago and all subsequent evidence has only served to confirm this conclusion.”
On March 1, two former U.S. senators, who headed separate 9/11 federal investigations, also raised the possibility of Saudi involvement in the attacks that killed 3,000 people and spurred the global War on Terror. In sworn statements that seem likely to reignite the debate, former senators Bob Graham and Bob Kerrey, who saw top-secret information on the Saudis’ activities, said they believe that the Saudi government played a direct role in the terrorist attacks.
“I am convinced that there was a direct line between at least some of the terrorists who carried out the Sept. 11 attacks and the government of Saudi Arabia,” former Senator Bob Graham said in an affidavit filed as part of a lawsuit brought against the Saudi government and dozens of institutions in the country by families of 9/11 victims and others. Graham headed a 2002 joint congressional inquiry into the attacks and has claimed he was muzzled into silence about his committee’s findings in 2002 by former Vice President Dick Cheney and other top members of the Bush intelligence community.
In his own sworn affidavit, Kerrey said “significant questions remain unanswered” about the role of Saudi institutions. “Evidence relating to the plausible involvement of possible Saudi government agents in the (9/11) attacks has never been fully pursued,” Kerrey said in a March 1, 2012, New York Times article.
The affidavits, which were filed Feb. 24, are part of a multi-billion-dollar lawsuit going through federal courts since 2002. An appellate court, reversing an earlier decision, said in November that foreign nations were not immune to lawsuits under certain terrorism claims, clearing the way for parts of the Saudi case to be reheard in U.S. District Court in Manhattan.
Last year, Marshall spoke on the national radio broadcast AM Coast to Coast. He said the entire 9/11 episode was “a political stunt to favor the American shadow government that is currently doing business as the U.S. intelligence community.”
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125 Responses to Phillip Marshall Wrote About a Conspiracy; Was He the Victim of One?
rainbowsally February 12, 2013 at 7:02 pm #
This is probably the end of this road for me.
For those who have contacted me by private mail (and/or prayers):
We need pix of the alleged ammo. Hollow point and metal jacketed (“ball”) makes a big difference, for example. Apparently a 9mm isn’t much different from a .22 in terms of penetrating power? I don’t know. That’s what I gathered from the discussion of this kind of wound, which data was only known for .22 caliber weapons as far as head wounds.
Light consumes darkness.
Make it so….
Best regards,
-rs
Rob February 24, 2013 at 5:38 am #
There is a big difference between .22 and 9mm with regard to penetration. Penetration is a matter of force, which is F=MA, Force = Mass times Acceleration. A 9mm bullet is much heavier than a .22. It starts to get complicated when we go beyond ball ammo and get into the realm of frangible or hollow-point ammo. Frangible ammunition sacrifices penetration for maximum energy deposit, or hydrostatic shock. I hope this helps. -R
rainbowsally February 12, 2013 at 11:07 pm #
PS. Nobody’s responsibility ends here.
I’ve ‘tipped’ some media on the net.
Bedding? Blood patterns? Balistics, paraffin testing to see if the guy even shot the gun himself or even if it’s the right weapon or if the bullets match the fatal shots.
The kids didn’t go to school Friday, didn’t return text messages since Thursday. Coroner says time of death was when the bodies were found on Saturday afternoon.
The Sheriff says there’s no evidence that it was anything other than a murder-suicide.
It looks to me, from this distant vantage point, that there may not be any evidence of anything except some very odd forensics and bizarre conclusions drawn by those we entrust with our law enforcement.
Best regards,
-rs
rainbowsally February 13, 2013 at 6:13 am #
Sorry me again. Can’t post at the Calavaras Sheriff’s dept and failed the “spoof test” at the local paper up there, first time ever. So I’m going to go with you good folks and post an open letter to the Calavaras Sheriff’s Dept. here and hope this at least gets through.
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Title: Do the tests
Please update your press releases. The official time of death in the Philip Marshall incident is wrong and the unofficial one is probably right (both from Union Democrat). Your press releases say it’s still being evaluated.
The guy’s dead but still deserves his defense, which would be the paraffin tests (not just evidence found there) and ballistics tests.
The paraffin tests should be done on his hands.
In the next press release, can you tell the deputies. names that first posited the “sleeping on a couch” theory, and what made them think the kids were sleeping there? I.e, bedding, pillows, etc.
Was the home locked when the deputies got there? How did they get in. These are all details the public needs to know.
And if you actually do know the time of death by now, and if it was Thursday, please tell us whether or not you still think they were sleeping on the couch, since that makes a lot more sense on a weekend or Friday than it would on a school night.
Thanks.
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Karen Cross February 16, 2013 at 2:24 pm #
You might want to try http://www.mymotherlode.com and also http://www.thepinetree.net these are local news sites. I have lived in Calaveras County for thirty years, I know the coroner personally as well as many in the law departments. All I can say to you is good luck with anything other then them saying this was a Murder/Suicide. Mostly because they don’t want to be second guessed? We are talking about the good Ol Boys up here! Don’t put to much stock in the gated community either, they are cheesy at best in Forrest Meadows.
I happen to believe anything in this country is possible. Look at the Sandy Hook situation, this playing right into the gun owners and amendments. Just wish something could be done about our crooked government!
Anonymous February 13, 2013 at 11:12 am #
You have to know that Dick Cheney is still out there chasing demons
Anonymous February 13, 2013 at 12:12 pm #
Your mama
rainbowsally February 13, 2013 at 12:53 pm #
[This is a second draft. The sheriffs say there is no evidence to suggest this wasn't a murder-suicide. The problem is there's no evidence to show this was a thorough crime investigation either. Nothing cited couldn't have been planted in a 'mob hit', for example.]
Open Letter to Calaveras Cnty. Sheriffs
Please update your press releases. The official time of death in the Philip Marshall incident is wrong and the unofficial one is probably right (both times are from Union Democrat, the local paper there). Your press releases say it’s still being evaluated.
The guy’s dead (Philip Marshall, ex-CIA, accused of murder-suicide around the time of Senate confirmation hearings for Brennan after he once pulled his name for unknown reasons).
But still deserves his defense, which would be the paraffin tests (not just evidence found at the home) and ballistics tests (not just bullets found with his wedding ring on top of them, and there were no pictures of any of this non-upsetting kinds of evidence in the news releases to reassure the public that a thorough job had been done).
The paraffin tests should be done on his hands.
In the next press release, can you tell the deputies’ names that first posited the “sleeping on a couch” theory, and what made them think the kids were sleeping on the couch when they were shot? There was no mention of bedding, pillows, etc. that could be construed to have given them this impression.
And if you actually do know the time of death by now, and if it was Thursday (as is suggested by when the teenagers’ friends said they dropped off the radar and the fact that they missed school Thursday), please tell us whether or not you still think they were “sleeping” on the couch when they were shot with a 9mm handgun without a silencer.
It makes a lot more sense for them to have been sleeping on a couch on a weekend or Friday than it would on a school night.
Thanks.
ADDENDUM:
Here are the links to the press releases (apparently not used by the local paper) and some questions about the press releases that led me to write this letter. -rs
Dated feb 3.
The Sheriffs’ version:
http://sheriff.co.calaveras.ca.us/Porta ... uicide.pdf
—-> excerpts
A Murphys man identified as Phillip Marshall (54) took the life of his two juvenile children before taking his own life in an apparent murder-suicide. On February 2, 2013 at 3:10 pm Calaveras Sheriff’s deputies were called to a residence on the 1200 block of Sandalwood Drive in the Forest Meadows subdivision, Murphys, for a suspicious circumstance/welfare check. The reporting parties, who are friends of the two victims, told investigators that they had not heard from the victims since Thursday,
They also discovered the family dog deceased in a bedroom.
The reason for the murder-suicide is unknown at this time.
excerpts
On February 2, 2013 Calaveras County Sheriff’s deputies and investigators investigated a double murder-suicide that occurred at a residence on the 1200 block of Sandalwood Drive in the Forest Meadows subdivision, Murphys.
It was further determined that Phillip Marshall’s son and daughter, Alex Marshall (17) and Macaila Marshall (14), were asleep on the couch at the time they were shot. Foul play by outside persons has been ruled out, and evidence at the scene confirmed that Phillip Marshall was the shooter. The time of death is still being examined
excerpts
John Brennan, Barack Obama’s nominee for CIA director, will come under renewed pressure at his confirmation hearing on Thursday to justify the targeted killing of US citizens in drone strikes, following the leak of a secret summary of the White House rationale for one its most controversial policies.
excerpts
The time of the discovery, 3 p.m. Saturday, will be listed as the official time of death.
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http://www.uniondemocrat.com/News/Local ... de-details
Now this is highly problematic in that the kids were then "sleeping on the couch" instead of in their own rooms on a Saturday, which is not unusual. But if they were killed on Thursday, they they were "sleeping in the living room" on a school night.
Did they often sleep in the living room on school nights? Were they allowed to sleep in their own rooms at all?
The mother was in Turkey when she was notified of the deaths, according to several sources on the internet. Who had legal custody of the children?
Does the accused have a right to a fair trial? Witnesses for his defense (i.e., paraffin and ballistics tests, just to make sure)?
Why the dual "time of death" confusion? Will the time of death become more clear or less clear as more time passes?
rainbowsally February 13, 2013 at 5:21 pm #
Dear Editor and folks in this forum,
My Apologies! Some of the begin and end of excerpts markers didn’t show properly.
PLEASE DELETE MY OPEN LETTERS DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE DEMOLISHED FORMATTING CONFUSES WHERE EXCERPTS AND MY COMMENTS BEGIN AND END.
Thanks.
Yes, both copies need to go. I’ll repost in the future in a format that can’t be so easily messed up by HTML codes or whatever happened.
PLEASE DO POST THIS DISCLAIMER.
[And I thought I was done here... ]
rainbowsally February 13, 2013 at 5:33 pm #
[Revised copy of my open letter - hopefully with proper formatting to show where excerpts and my comments begin and end. Previous attempt was not clear. My apologies. -rs]
Open Letter to Calaveras Cnty. Sheriffs
Please update your press releases. The official time of death in the Philip Marshall incident is wrong and the unofficial one is probably right (both times are from Union Democrat, the local paper there). Your press releases say it’s still being evaluated.
The guy’s dead (Philip Marshall, ex-CIA, accused of murder-suicide around the time of Senate confirmation hearings for Brennan after he once pulled his name for unknown reasons).
But still deserves his defense, which would be the paraffin tests (not just evidence found at the home) and ballistics tests (not just bullets found with his wedding ring on top of them, and there were no pictures of any of this non-upsetting kinds of evidence in the news releases to reassure the public that a thorough job had been done).
The paraffin tests should be done on his hands.
In the next press release, can you tell the deputies’ names that first posited the “sleeping on a couch” theory, and what made them think the kids were sleeping on the couch when they were shot? There was no mention of bedding, pillows, etc. that could be construed to have given them this impression.
And if you actually do know the time of death by now, and if it was Thursday (as is suggested by when the teenagers’ friends said they dropped off the radar and the fact that they missed school Thursday), please tell us whether or not you still think they were “sleeping” on the couch when they were shot with a 9mm handgun without a silencer.
It makes a lot more sense for them to have been sleeping on a couch on a weekend or Friday than it would on a school night.
Thanks.
ADDENDUM:
Here are the links to the press releases (apparently not used by the local paper) and some questions about the press releases that led me to write this letter. -rs
Dated feb 3.
The Sheriffs’ version:
http://sheriff.co.calaveras.ca.us/Porta ... uicide.pdf
—- excerpts
A Murphys man identified as Phillip Marshall (54) took the life of his two juvenile children before taking his own life in an apparent murder-suicide. On February 2, 2013 at 3:10 pm Calaveras Sheriff’s deputies were called to a residence on the 1200 block of Sandalwood Drive in the Forest Meadows subdivision, Murphys, for a suspicious circumstance/welfare check. The reporting parties, who are friends of the two victims, told investigators that they had not heard from the victims since Thursday,
They also discovered the family dog deceased in a bedroom.
The reason for the murder-suicide is unknown at this time.
—- end excerpts
Questions:
Time of death still being determined. When was the “official time of death” determined to have been Saturday at the exact time when the bodies were found? Did the Union Democrat (local newspaper see below) get that information from the Sheriffs’ Dept.? If so, why didn’t the rest of us?
The kids had not been heard from since Thursday, [other sources report they missed school Friday as well].
Sleeping on couch theory not explained, bedding, pillows, or what?.
“A bedroom” (not “THE bedroom” as some reports on the net have it, implying the kids did have their own bedrooms.
The reason for calling it a murder-suicide is not explained (parafin test? ballisitcs?)What evidence at the scene was used to make this determination?
No photos, no verbal descriptions, just a vague “we think that… so trust us.”
Dated feb 4.
http://sheriff.co.calaveras.ca.us/Porta ... uicide.pdf
—- excerpts
On February 2, 2013 Calaveras County Sheriff’s deputies and investigators investigated a double murder-suicide that occurred at a residence on the 1200 block of Sandalwood Drive in the Forest Meadows subdivision, Murphys.
It was further determined that Phillip Marshall’s son and daughter, Alex Marshall (17) and Macaila Marshall (14), were asleep on the couch at the time they were shot. Foul play by outside persons has been ruled out, and evidence at the scene confirmed that Phillip Marshall was the shooter. The time of death is still being examined
—- end excerpts
Questions:
Foul play by other persons has been ruled out? How was it ruled out? Finding evidence at the scene is not the same as doing ballistics and paraffin tests. A pile of bullets with a wedding ring (not mentioned in the press release) could have been planted if this were a hit by organized crime, for example.
What evidence was found at the scene? What evidence was there that the children were sleeping? How did the Sheriffs get into the house? Was the house locked?
At this time they are still saying the time of death is being examined.
Feb 5.
from the Guardian UK.
—- excerpts
John Brennan, Barack Obama’s nominee for CIA director, will come under renewed pressure at his confirmation hearing on Thursday to justify the targeted killing of US citizens in drone strikes, following the leak of a secret summary of the White House rationale for one its most controversial policies.
—- end excerpts
[This date above is significant because the accused suicide-murderer claimed to have inside knowledge of a CIA conspiriacy.]
It is now Feb 13 and there are no new updates at the sheriffs dept.
On Feb 6 the Union Democrat reports:
—- excerpts
The time of the discovery, 3 p.m. Saturday, will be listed as the official time of death.
—- end excerpts
http://www.uniondemocrat.com/News/Local ... de-details
Now this is highly problematic in that the kids were then “sleeping on the couch” instead of in their own rooms on a Saturday, which is not unusual. But if they were killed on Thursday, they they were “sleeping in the living room” on a school night and the time of death has changed, is changing, or hasn’t been evaluated yet.
Did the kids often sleep in the living room on school nights? Were they allowed to sleep in their own rooms at all? In fact it’s not even clear if the kids had bedrooms. Which bedroom was the dog shot in?
The mother was in Turkey when she was notified of the deaths, according to several sources on the internet. Who had legal custody of the children? Was he a fit parent?
[Everyone, including a county supervisor that lived four doors down from him apparently thought so. Only the ex-wife from a previous marriage that ended in divorce in the mid-1980s had anything negative to say about him. All of this background was gleened from internet articles. -rs]
Does the accused have a right to a fair trial? Witnesses for his defense (i.e., paraffin and ballistics tests, just to make sure)?
Why the dual “time of death” confusion? Will the time of death become more clear or less clear as more time passes?
Jeff February 18, 2013 at 11:56 pm #
Good job RainbowSally !
jimmy February 13, 2013 at 8:20 pm #
The Mossad are an evil bunch of F’ers. And are in charge of all of our Intelligence agencies – Facts – Most Senators , Congressman know of this and very very few choose to challenge this evil powerful force. One man comes to mind that Senator Feller from that state that hangs Government Census Workers and when the FBI shows up they get run off by them hillbillies, who by the way are some of the very last Patriotic Americans with any Balls
That Senator is Rand Paul , and my advice – Try and contact him-
This man did not kill his family , sadly he joins a long long list of false flag murder suicides
Your guns are the only thing preventing this evil force from totally taking over , do not listen to the – Gun Control – They want your guns badly and it infuriates them that still this has not been accomplished – more false flags , more lies , more murder suicides – and the explanations are getting ridiculous , the masses are now awakening and real trouble is brewing – Help your neighbor , help those unable , look after your own , be ready to start banding together – those who are trying to bring the last armed country down – stand no chance in hell – When the people band together coast to coast
rainbowsally February 14, 2013 at 3:12 am #
I guess I’m still onboard here for a while longer.
I have accused the media of “deplorable journalism”. I include myself in this category, but then I might have an excuse. I’m a high school drop out, not a journalist. Unemployed to boot, in case anyone wants to shut me the hell up.
But I didn’t bother proving my accusation so that’s what I’ll endeavor to do now.
1. I wrote that in 1985, it would have been the ‘heat of the Iran Contra’ thing so that Marshall’s ex-wife (who were divorced soon after that) might not have shared all of Marshall’s history due to a ‘deep cover’. Turns out I was wrong as Phil’s Friend pointed out at this very forum. He was no longer involved in the CIA-sponsored flights. He was with Eastern at that time.
And I stand corrected. (Thank you for the correction PF.)
2. Santa Barbara Views published an article that did mention a custody battle between Marshall and his current wife. That was in 2008. No clue as to who won custody of the kids, though it might seem like common sense. The point being, this reflects on his fitness as a parent, regardless of whether he had a physical altercation with his wife’s family members (found elsewhere around the net).
As an aside here:
This guy could sure could pick ‘em! Video taped one of his wives stealing opiates and hiding them in a tree. She was apparently a drug addict? Dunno which wife. And it doesn’t matter unless we wonder why she’s now a nurse — the one that said he was making it all up about being a pilot for the CIA during the Iran-Contra drug smuggling. Might look into that later, but that’s small potatoes compared to the rest of this MESS!
He hid in the shower and got her on tape. She was charged with breaking and entering, theft, and I can’t remember, possibly possession of a controlled substance.
Now whether or not he was a good parent, he apparently had a good sense of how to document his claims. And that too reflects on his character.
He was evidently a very poor judge of character but other than that he was no dummy.
Back to my accusations of the media.
3. The Union Democrat has published a “time of death” as being official that cannot be verified. The Sheriff’s Dept. latest press release says it’s still being determined. (See my open letter to the Sheriffs above.)
4. Next in line is the media article I quoted first when I joined the discussions here* which is now at the ‘older comments’ link. And I’d better grab a copy of that one in case they decide to pull it. I mentioned that I lightly edited it for clarity. If anyone read that article, figuring out who said what would require the legal training of a lawyer. They apparently shuffled the paragraphs like a deck of cards. Want to see it?
[I'll attempt to mark the quoted material in bold. No telling if it will work any better than previous attempts to mark quoted material, and I can't edit it after it goes to the board so this is my disclaimer if it doesn't work.]
A Murphys man killed his two children with a Glock 9mm handgun before turning the weapon on himself at his home in Forest Meadows late last week.
There was no note, or other form of communication, left by Marshall to explain why he committed the crime. Sheriff’s Sgt. Chris Hewitt said the autopsy may shed more light on Marshall’s state of mind when committing the crime.
Friends and neighbors who knew Marshall had trouble believing he would have taken the life of his children. He was known as a good father, well-liked Little League coach, former pilot for Eastern and United Airlines and an easygoing guy with a good sense of humor.
“The actions don’t match the person we know,” said Merita Callaway, a county supervisor who lives four doors up the street from Marshall. She considered him a good friend. “I can’t tell you how many times we’ve had conversations over a cup of coffee together.”
“He was a wonderful man,” said Carolyn Greenwood, who is Marshall’s nextdoor neighbor and who has known him for more than 10 years. “I knew him long enough to know he was a regular guy. He was a good father, always there for his kids and a helpful neighbor.”
“When I heard what happened, I couldn’t believe it,” Callaway said. “He loved his children.”
According to an online biography, Marshall was a former government special aviation contract pilot and flew missions for the U.S. government in connection with the DEA and CIA. He wrote a book about his experiences during the Iran-Contra incident in the 1980s. Callaway said Marshall had also written two conspiracy theory books focused on 911. He made the argument that the U.S. government and Saudi Arabia were responsible for the incident, not terrorist groups, which she feels could have made him enemies in high places.
She received a call from a sheriff’s captain asking her ‘Do you think this was a murder suicide,” to which she replied, “I had a hard time with it. I truly felt like somebody came in the house.”
If it wasn’t a triple murder, she can’t understand what pushed her friend over the edge.
“What happened on Thursday that triggered this, if this was a murder suicide?” she asked. “Did he hate his family that much?”
http://www.calaverasenterprise.com/news ... f887a.html
What say ye, my fellow citizens? Is ‘deplorable’ too harsh a judgment?
Starting at the paragraph beginning with “She received…” who was talking?
It was a county supervisor. And the Sheriffs at that time had not closed the case on Marshall? Or had they? Or were they working on her to get her to change her mind? (Bad doggie.)
And now we see that readers of the Enterprise will think the murders occured on Thursday while the Union Democrat readers will think the “official time of death” was Saturday, at 3:00 pm, when the BODIES were found.
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Here’s where I posted the ‘slightly edited’ text. It’s about halfway down the page. Know what I did? I removed the two paragraphs that confused what Calloway had said.
http://www.santabarbaraview.com/phillip ... /#comments
PS. Thank you Merita. Stick to your guns. One thing is for certain and that is there is no ‘evidence’ that the sheriffs were right about ANY of this. Even the “sleeping on the couch” theory sounds flaky.
And even the kids would demand their father’s name be cleared, if they could.
Bloggulator February 14, 2013 at 2:07 pm #
Phil Marshall cast much suspicion on Porter Goss in his most recent book “The Big Bamboozle”. Goss (who was later appointed to CIA Director by President Bush, only to mysteriously resign shortly afterwards, no reason given) was one of those present at that infamous breakfast meeting at the Capitol, on the morning of September 11, 2001, with General Mahmoud Ahmad, head of the Pakistani ISI. According to the FBI, Indian Intelligence and several press reports, the Mahmoud Ahmad was instrumental in providing financial support to the 9/11 terrorists. Ahmad had allegedly ordered the transfer of $100,000 to the presumed 9/11 ring-leader Mohamed Atta.
At that September 11 meeting were three lawmakers Bob Graham, Porter Goss and Jon Kyl who were part of the Congressional delegation to Pakistan. Also present at this meeting were Pakistan’s ambassador to the U.S. Maleeha Lodhi and several members of the Senate and House Intelligence committees. This meeting was described by one press report as a “follow-up meeting” to that held in Pakistan in late August.
After the Capitol meeting, Porter Goss went to the Pentagon where he is seen being interviewed, on camera, by the mainstream US media, while the attack sequence was still being played out. This video gives us some evidence regarding what happened at the Pentagon, as Goss was speaking: There is a distant boom, and people in camerashot turn around and gasp. Then, a minute later, we hear the sound of a large commercial plane flying full throttle, engines screaming, and people look towards where the sound is coming from. There were TWO events at the Pentagon that morning, and Porter Goss likely knows exactly what happened, and who was responsible – and Phil Marshall was onto Porter Goss.
Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q44verk-cwM (before youtube pulls it, yet again).
Chadless February 14, 2013 at 9:18 pm #
So, what I don’t understand is why they shot the dog. If the man is gonna go on a supposed killing spree of his kids and himself, why shoot the dog? That’d be the last thing on his mind unless he just got into one of those moods. Does anyone else find this odd?
el_smurfo February 19, 2013 at 8:41 am #
Do bad no one asked Mindy McCready this question last week.
rainbowsally February 15, 2013 at 4:24 am #
[As I mentioned before, I'm not a journalist or professional writer. But I have broken the Amazon writeup on The Big Bamboozle into paragraphs and it seems a lot easier to read. There's another book at Amazon with the same name.]
From the perspective of a Boeing 767 captain and former “special activities” contract pilot, Philip Marshall straps the reader into the cockpits of hijacked commercial airliners to tell the story of the most sophisticated terrorist attack in history. Based on a comprehensive ten-year study into the murders of his fellow pilots on 9/11, he explains how hijackers, novice pilots at the controls of massive guided missiles, were able to beat United States Air Force fighters to iconic targets with advanced maneuvering, daring speeds and a kamikaze finish.
But, as Marshall explains, the tactical plan was so precise that it rules out car-bombers and shoe-bombers known as al Qaeda, KSM and Osama bin Laden. So then, who was it? That’s what you are about learn. Backed by official NTSB, FAA and black box recordings, Marshall finds the most capable and most documented group of conspirators buried deep within a Congressional Inquiry’s report and retraces their work in gripping detail. Fasten your seatbelt— the sad truth is that all of the solid evidence points to a dark collaboration between members of the Bush Administration and a covert group of Saudi government officials.
This is a game changer that will finally set the record straight on the most horrific crime in US history.
This book is a compilation of official reports that disputes the Bush Administration, the Bush Intelligence Community and the American media’s account of the 9/11 attack. United States Senator Bob Graham’s Congressional Joint Inquiry in 2002 revealed that Saudi Arabian Intelligence agents met the 9/11 hijackers in the Los Angeles in January of 2000, harbored them and led them to 18 months of flight training in Florida and Arizona. Marshall follows reports from FBI field agents that warned George W. Bush’s Administration that a “cadre of individuals of investigative interest were engaged in flight training” in the Arizona desert in the spring of 2001. Marshall identifies three top federal investigators who complained that Dick Cheney obstructed justice by refusing access to suspects who supposedly confessed to the greatest crime in U.S. history.
None of the federal investigators were ever allowed to verify the confession of Khalid Sheik Mohammed who had been water boarded over 180 times at Guantanamo detention facility.
The book disputes the video and media confession of Osama bin Laden and points out that none of the accusations by the Bush Administration could be proved. Marshall asserts that the Saudi government was the true executioners of the 9/11 attack and framed their enemies while CIA special operations set up an elaborate decoy named Osama bin Laden to divert attention away from the Saudi operation. He follows the hijackers to flight training airports and finds that Saudi agents led the hijackers to the Arizona desert where Boeing 757 and Boeing 767 airliners were parked at a secluded CIA operated airport.
The operators of the CIA airport were traced to suspicious insider stock trades on two airlines, United Airlines and American Airlines, the only two airlines used in the 9/11 attack.
Marshall breaks down the tactical flight plan that was used by the hijackers and chronicles the actions of Condoleezza Rice, Donald Rumsfeld, Saudi Arabian Prince Bandar bin Sultan, Dick Cheney and George W. Bsuh to learn that their account of the attack was severely flawed.
Three top investigators wrote that Dick Cheney had obstructed the investigation and redacted the involvement of the Saudi government agents who were employed in California by the Saudi Civil Aviation authority. The Congressional Inquiry reported that the Saudi agents had “seemingly unlimited funding from Saudi Arabia” and had traced the hijacker financial support to Prince Bandar through a Riggs Bank account.
Finally Marshall chronicles the media trial that allowed Bush and Cheney to derail American Justice by trying the 9/11 case with media propaganda and away from the American federal court system.
rainbowsally February 15, 2013 at 4:40 am #
Bloggulator, it probably wasn’t just Goss. In fact I don’t know where Bob Kerry fits but but Graham is likely as dirty as Goss.
This is troubling:
http://historycommons.org/context.jsp?i ... oodmeeting
And though I haven’t read Marshall’s book this looks like these might be the guys he was talking about. Here’s what the writeup at Amazon says:
“Marshall finds the most capable and most documented group of conspirators buried deep within a Congressional Inquiry’s report and retraces their work in gripping detail.”
Note the time of the meeting (at the link above).
Sources for the article linked above:
Salon,
Washington Post,
Vero Beach Press Journal,
Rashid.
Easily verified mainstream stuff. Time 8:00 Sept 11, 2001.
rainbowsally February 15, 2013 at 6:16 am #
Poke around at the link above. They changed the article so it’s not as clear as it was a few years ago. The point is about the Pakistani ISI involvement.
Seems like everyone’s hot on the trail of the Saudis and they may indeed be up to their eyeballs in it, but the Pak connection is a much easier one to unravel.
Taliban? Where did they come from, when, who assured their successful opium business?
Meanwhile the media are certainly part of our amazing ability to continually chase wild geese, solving one problem only to discover:
Wow! Welfare queens didn’t destroy the economy? Deadbeat dads neither? Foodstamp fraud, all the rest of the little guys, the petty criminals all combined didn’t destroy the the economy?
Not even the folks forging medicare bills for non-existent patients? (And that’s a substantially more expensive rip off than the others.)
Well, boy howdy, it’s gotta be those darned conspiracy nuts. then.
The point is this. Just what little we do know of the Pakistani ISI (bin laden’s compound was… where was that again?) suggests that a full understanding of this will NOT come from going off and blowing up some Saudi prince. We don’t know who’s pulling his strings.
If you believe in God you believe in the Devil. If you believe in either of them you KNOW someone is pulling somebody’s strings.
el_smurfo February 15, 2013 at 9:02 am #
Hi Sally,
I think you may have misinterpreted what this site is for. SB View posts information of interest to local Santa Barbarans. The circumstances of Mr Marshall’s death are perhaps suspicious, but the only reason it was posted here is due to his time living in town. You would find a more suitable audience for your comments on prisonplanet.com or some other conspiracy oriented site. Here you are talking to yourself and perhaps one other like minded person, so maybe an exchange of email addresses would be more appropriate?
dfhe February 15, 2013 at 12:34 pm #
Smurface: Why don’t you let Sally do what she wants and take your own comments somewhere else? You are a fraud and no one appreciates that at all.
el_smurfo February 15, 2013 at 4:04 pm #
Says the guy who tells people to leave under several different aliases.
rainbowsally February 15, 2013 at 2:56 pm #
My favorite conspiracy detection method: The timeline analysis.
As a long time resident of the Santa Barbara area, several generations, in fact, but never Calaveras, I have taken an interest in this article (which is about Philip Marshall, not about Santa Barbara although I suspect I’ve been around longer than any of those attempting to question my right to express myself freely on account of seniority or something)… an interest in it due to several anomalies, primarily in what appears to be an incomplete investigation and lousy journalism.
Fair enough?
Now allow me continue…
My favorite conspiracy detection method: The timeline analysis.
What if the teenagers were in the car before it was munched and they were in the car after it was munched. What are the chances they were not in the car WHILE it was being munched.
So when they say someone else munched the family car, do you believe them?
This avoids all the complexities that are usually involved in explaining the inexplicable — which are by definition “theories”.
Here’s a few data points on a timeline.
1. March 5, 2001. Cheney’s Energy Task Force is dividing Iraq up.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/bulletins/ ... il-fields/
But how will the US have any control over Iraq? And why is the Chamber of Commerce (forced to release the docs under FOIA) mixed up in this?
2. Sept 11, 2001, the US military was unable to stop an airliner from hitting the Pentagon in a verified terrorist attack with a known method and a missing airplane for 45 minutes.
[common knowledge, no link should be required.]
3. Date: 23 July 2002, the “facts were being fixed”.
http://downingstreetmemo.com/memos.html
And everything worked just like clockwork. Even the timing of the blunder: “[m]ilitary action to begin… 30 days BEFORE the Congressional election.”
4. The coalition of the willing (see also list of “suitors”) invaded Iraq and did not find any WMD, which was the justification for Shock and Awe, the lethal football game cheerled by the worthless US media.
5. Abu Ghraib, etc., etc.,
As far as point #2 above goes (the 9/11 attacks themselves) which was the subject of Marshall’s Big Bamboozle, and which I have not read, it doesn’t matter so much how evidence was lost or how bizarre coincidences came into play to identify the culprits.
It is significant that he couldn’t hit the Pentagon in a flight simulator until the 4th attempt though. With 15 years of experience as a pilot of exactly that king of aircraft. But still, let’s discount that as being merely interesting.
All that matters is that the patter is clear. Without the attacks, #1 could not have been believable to all the governments listed in the docs. They believed it. And the question is, how did they know something was about to occur that could allow them to negotiate with the US about control of Iraq’s oil.
And without the attacks, the military actions starting 30 days before the Congressional election would most likely have smelled fishy.
Convenient yes. Believable… well, who cares. The guy’s dead and the investigation of his murder is… how shall I say. WANTING.
kai tak fan February 15, 2013 at 3:35 pm #
Thanks to the SBView for keeping these comments going. Contrary to el_smurfo (…) below, this story is bringing new viewers to the site and providing information not available anywhere else. I for one have bookmarked it and will return after this story is gone.
And thanks to rainbowsally too- this must not go under the rotten carpet. Please consider setting up a blogsite (they’re free!) to keep us all informed when these comments are closed. From what little I’ve read, Phillip Marshall was a great American trying to do what he thought was right. Some of us will not let him down. When you think about it, how could anyone not demand a full accounting of this? THAT would be unconscionable.
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Journeyman February 16, 2013 at 10:27 am #
New info/ photos on Phil Marshall case at Waynemadsenreport.com
Bloggulator February 16, 2013 at 10:43 am #
“Very soon” after the killings, the house was “professionally cleaned” and “sanitized”. Who would order such wholesale tampering of a crime scene, the disposal involving three homicides, in bizarre and inexplicable (to say the least) circumstances?
If the corporate media is so arrogant and cowardly as to pronounce this a “double murder suicide” with ZERO evidence to support such a claim, the let’s allow some speculation on a more LIKELY scenario, which takes the hard evidence, the circumstantial evidence, the motivation and the subsequent misconduct on the part of the authorities, into consideration:
This was, most likely, the work of thugs working for an agency within the US federal government. There is a long track record of patriotic Americans (and stalwarts from other countries) who have researched 9/11 (and other major controversies), or have simply been in the wrong place and the wrong time – whose lives have ended, or have been “suicided”, often violently, in parallel circumstances, and in which proper investigations have been nixed, or covered up, at high levels.
On the grand scale, the same thing happened at Ground Zero itself…in which federal agencies started tampering with the crime scene by the wholesale removal and destruction of evidence. And the same thing with the 9/11 “Omission” Commission, the non-investigation of the century, “set up to fail” (in the words of the “Commission’s” two co-chairs), by hardline neoconservative and Bush Administration insider Philip Zelikow.
rainbowsally February 16, 2013 at 2:51 pm #
Now it’s time to watch your step, Murphy.
In the same way that large corporations have bought out innovative technology, not to advance science and technology, but to suppress it; inexplicably sitting on the information until it was useless or forgotten, the media (we have learned) sometimes do the same things.
As ‘investors’ prepare to ‘diversify’. Don’t trust one news outlet to pass the truth along. In fact the writing is pretty much on the wall when they self censor, bowing to social (or other) pressure to NOT print anything that (for example) contains cuss words.
That is ‘self censorship’. And when this censorship embeds itself deeply enough into the philosopy of the free press, it can (and apparently has) had the effect of similarly banning certain concepts. Concepts like, what if the Sheriffs were WRONG. What if we should “trust them”, as they apparently think we should, but they are demonstrating themselves to be untrustworthy?
But it doesn’t really matter how intimidated the media is or how unwilling they are to print something likely to blow back in their faces. What matters is multiplying the probability of getting the truth out by telling more than one media source what you know.
These are the hard lessons I learned during the Vietname War protest days.
In memory of Kevin Moran. [The plaque may still be there, BofA burned down Kevin (and I) were putting fires OUT, Isla Vista, 1970-something.]
The way they were able to determine that it was a Ventura Sheriff that shot him, and not an “anti war sniper”, as was being reported in the national media was…
[envelope please... thank you]
“Ballistics tests!”
This isn’t going to be easy. You’re going to have to push a little.
Best regards,
-rs
[And... I think this is finally a wrap. Thanks SBview. I see why you're an award winner.]
rainbowsally February 16, 2013 at 3:43 pm #
—- excerpt
The haste at which the Sheriff’s Department wanted a crime scene cleaned is surprising considering they had already hastily concluded that Marshall, a former CIA and DEA contract pilot during the Iran-contra scandal era of the 1980s and an associate of legendary CIA pilot-turned-DEA informant Barry Seal, shot his children and dog and then himself with a 9 mm Glock.
—- end excerpt
[It's on the net. Find it yourself if you want to see the whole article.]
The above is dated 13th/14th.
Today is Feb 16th and there’s still no updated press releases at the sheriffs dept. The latest report says that times of death is still under evaluation.
I think the next press release should include a few pictures, just to indicate how they came to certain conclusions, such as that the kids were asleep on a couch on a school night when they were shot (according to the calaverasenterprise.com) and/or that the kids were asleep on a couch at 3:00 pm Saturday, the “official time of death” being when the bodies were found (according to the uniondemocrat.com),
No new press releases yet. Not on this case. Did I miss it?
http://sheriff.co.calaveras.ca.us
rainbowsally February 17, 2013 at 7:17 pm #
Stay well Tarquin. Publish more broadly, let someone know your real name. Make it harder to silence you.
rainbowsally February 18, 2013 at 3:41 am #
Fair use -rs
http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/5/4/3 ... uicide.pdf
Anonymous February 18, 2013 at 7:22 am #
For educational purposes only.
So, if the truth belongs to those who recognize it, here goes.
You be the judge.
This is my own web page. If the link breaks I didn’t do it.
http://rainbowsally.net/rainbow/poli/do ... uicide.pdf
http://rainbowsally.net/rainbow/poli/do ... uicide.pdf
http://rainbowsally.net/rainbow/poli/do ... uicide.pdf
Two of the above are press releases from the sheriffs’ dept. and one is kept out of the mainstream for unknown reasons.
But the purpose of this post is to demonstrate that it is possible to see this ‘investigation’ in two different lights.
You’re going to have to get out and PUSH a little, Murphy. The mud is pretty deep here. This goes back to at least the anti-war days… not just Cheney/Bush. (Ctrl-F and find “Kevin Moran” on this page.)
el_smurfo February 18, 2013 at 8:53 am #
I feel like Neil Baker has put on a rainbow dress and thinks this is Craigslist R&R.
PS, Sally, the moderation system here is automatic, so you likely used a keyword which triggered it. You can remove the Reynolds Wrap from your head now.
AXMAN February 18, 2013 at 10:48 am #
The entire recent comment sidebar is filled with Sally’s rants. I’m going to email the mods and ask them to close this thread.
rainbowsally February 18, 2013 at 9:36 am #
Maybe, and maybe not, el smurfo.
But now that we are communicating on a level I’m very comfortable with (seriously), I would like to point out that the proper head protection is aluminum foil which not only blocks microwaves but also damaging UV rays.
You can test this yourself. Toss a ball of aluminum foil into your microwave oven (adult supervision is advised) and see what happens.
So… what do you think of the points I made (and what do you think of the the most recent ‘vanishing’ post that disappeared “automatically” that I wrote to you before this one)?
Did I make any good points?
For example (I’ll try something different because the ’cause of death paradox didn’t fly for some unknown reason, which I’m grateful for, but nonetheless insisitng is unnecessary).
Tell us your ‘theory’ on why the madman didn’t shoot his cat too.
el_smurfo February 18, 2013 at 1:43 pm #
Sally. No one is reading your posts. They are crowding out all of the local news we come here to discuss. This is not the place for this material. Please find a site with a more receptive audience.
AXMAN February 18, 2013 at 3:02 pm #
Just got an email back from the webmaster saying they’ve blocked Sally from further spamming.
Anonymous February 18, 2013 at 3:53 pm #
Spamming.
Can we get that in a standard 18 syllable haiku, Ax Man?
PS. Retraction (on my part). The news I thought was censored here is here!
[ And I won't press my luck on this one... thank you is all. ]
allex February 19, 2013 at 8:35 am #
To answer the headline: no.
Jerry February 19, 2013 at 11:15 am #
You black ops scum may think you have the upperhand now but you will meet your maker one day and you WILL be judged for your actions. Enjoy it while you can now cause you will not be enjoying it later!
Bloggulator February 19, 2013 at 1:15 pm #
Rainbow Sally, via this news portal has taken the responsible task of informing the public what is going on with this highly suspicious case, while at the same time, the mainstream corporate “weasel-media” has chosen to bury it, after initially reporting unverified, hearsay, and single sourced material. Thank you Rainbow Sally and and thankyou to the Santa Barbara View for doing your patriotic duty, with the aim of an informed citizenry.
The shills and cowards will use every means at their disposal, but the truth remains untainted.
Ann February 19, 2013 at 4:31 pm #
I know the crew who flew his wife home — they were called by the airline and ordered not to speak to her. Why? Very unusual.
Anonymous February 19, 2013 at 6:49 pm #
Mindy McCready shot her dog too! Never heard of that before. What’s with shooting the dog?
Ludwig February 19, 2013 at 8:42 pm #
I noticed on a screen capture of Marshall’s last tweets:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread ... ost4860468
that his icon was the picture of the Operation 40 hit team that Dan Hopsicker got from Barry Seal’s wife. Among the assassins in the photo along with the likes of Felix Rodriguez and Frank Sturgis is a young Porter Goss.
rainbowsally February 20, 2013 at 7:28 am #
To Anonymous re. Mindy McCready
The pattern may be developing that these people are cat lovers. This is especially evident in the Philip Marshall incident.
el_smurfo February 20, 2013 at 9:11 am #
Please be joking, please be joking, please be joking…
Bloggulator February 20, 2013 at 9:29 pm #
Whoever is still following this issue…. and it appears to be popular, judging by the continued responses, ESSENTIAL READING HERE:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/02/20 ... k-ops-hit/
Un-Named February 21, 2013 at 12:10 am #
Adding information and provoking thought/discussion seems to rub some ‘posters the wrong way and they use threats to have the spammer blocked…
I wish there were a place to keep up with this information, the ‘investigation’ as it weren’t.
We are hostage to the official pronouncements which often fail to generate confidence of fullish disclosure – You have to wonder why.
How this event came to be a ‘local event’ and how the local officials and media arm handle it is a local story but there are larger aspects to the story that are pretty interesting to wider group of readers.
Small town hicks do a great job of screwing up the investigating and reporting parts of these types of events and add to that the lack of transparency, justified by official policy.
In some case, you just have to wonder…Like the Pentagon releasing only 5 or so frames of footage that really don’t show a thing when the building itself and many in the area are studded with cameras…But no viable footage? It seems the government likes to play a range of games, many of them nurture conspiracy perspectives.
I think the Bush crime mob has been pretty well outed, it only remains for a justice system to ‘connect the dots’ and set up the scaffolding…
Bloggulator February 21, 2013 at 11:20 pm #
Here’s one more flaw in the official gibberish that Marshall shot his kids he was so devoted to, his little Shitzu dog, and them himself, in a “double murder-suicide”, for which there was no motive, no suicide note, no explanation, and against all expectations as regards his character, according to the testimony of numerous friends, acquaintances, colleagues and neighbors. He even said to close associates before his death that “I might be a target”.
The police report sounds as if they might have been covering for the murderer, or murderers – perhaps under duress. The report stated that the cause of Philip Marshall’s death was a “single bullet wound to the left side of the head”. (The two children and dog also died from a single shot to the head). When you hold a handgun with the intent to fire, almost without exception you will use your stronger hand. Philip Marshall was a RIGHT HANDED man, and if he shot his kids and himself, he would have “very likely” to “almost certainly” used his RIGHT hand to fire the weapon. If you have a TOY gun, just try this: take hold of the gun with your firing hand, and place it against the *opposite* side of the head, as if to squeeze the trigger and fire!! Yes, it requires an unnatural position/contortion of the arm. I am not claiming that this is proof, but just another anomaly amongst dozens of bizarre aspects to this stinking, rotten case.
The property was professionally cleaned TWICE, and after the second going over, there were still official vehicles there that clearly did not belong to the local sheriff’s department – one being an SUV with a forest of communications antennæ on the roof. This suggests that officials from a federal agency were combing the property, perhaps searching for something. What happened to Marshall’s computers and the material he was about to release, which he said was so damning?
This Gestapo-like conduct, of cold-blooded assassinations by thugs employed by federal agencies, against American citizens and whistleblowers who threaten to expose crime and treasonous acts in high places is becoming more commonplace. Since 9/11, there is a long and growing list of sources and researchers who have been murdered to prevent information from going public …. not just in the US, but in Britain, mainland Europe and elsewhere.
This kind of CRAP is not supposed to happen here… this is the United States of America, land of the free, the bastion of liberty, the shining light on the hill, the envy of other nations. The notion that elements within our government would murder innocent people without a trial, without evidence produces a huge cognitive dissonance within the minds of almost all of us. It does not compute. We cannot stomach the notion that we are heading down the same road as Idi Amin, Saddam Hussein, Augusto Pinochet, Leopoldo Galtieri, and the rest of the modern age’s worst scumbags. Has ObamaCorp become a member of the psychopaths club?
bloggulator February 24, 2013 at 10:23 am #
There are an estimated 1200 people, some here in the US and many overseas who have both part time and full time jobs of trolling/spamming alternative media web outlets commentary sections which report any news which present our authorities (both public/governmental and private/corporate) in a poor light. The purpose is to influence readers, as regards both the veracity of the article, and the relevance of the subject under discussion, or even to cast doubt on the notion of an argument in the first place.
Regular media outlets which occasionally include token controversial articles, such as this one here in the Santa Barbara View, are often infected with the same “virtual bacteria”…. and they are in plain sight right here. The usual methods of spamming/trolling range from simple ad hominem attacks, through the usual standard “conspiracy theory” accusations and associations, strawman arguments, circular ‘logic’, right up to involved and complex pseudo-scientific bunk. A friend of mine was approached to do exactly this type of work around the time of the suspicious deaths of former MN Senator Paul Wellstone and his family.
Just a heads up.
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I was a lifelong friend of Mr. Marshall, we went to High School together in Mandeville La. We have been in contact over the years and he is the last person to commit suicide much less kill the children he adored. Right now it is being spun that he was despondent over his divorce or money problems even bringing up the altercation he had with his wife’s sister to show he was somehow unbalanced.. He was separated from his wife for years and if I am correct his divorce was finalized. He never wore a wedding ring and dated other women. His exwife lived in Murphys away from the subdivision he lived in. They found his wedding ring sitting on top of the bullets for the glock making it look like he took it off before he shot his kids and himself. To me this is the tell. This is obviously a hit. Also he was on medical disability from United and was not hurting for money. I was last with him in late December to watch a Saints game with him at my home and he was great. He was telling me that I would not believe what would be in his next book concerning 9/11. I guess he was right. The fool that killed this man and his kids obviously did not know him very well.
Before this tragedy happened I was also one of those who followed the principle of “Occams Razor” in that the simplest explanation is the most accurate. At face value this looks like a murder-suicide. However those that really knew this man know that there is more to this story. He had been separated from his wife for several years and he was trying to help her get a import business going which is why she was out of touch in Turkey. She was using his flight privleges as a United pilot to fly to Turkey at litlle or no cost. He had been supporting her during this separation period and saw this as a way for her to get on her feet be independent so he would not have to continually support her. Before their marriage she was a skilled buyer for Nordstrom and he was encouraging her to use this skill. Also I noticed in one of the comments that “the final control over the wife he lost control over”. Again anyone that knew this man would know that the very last thing he cared was having control over people. He was a loving parent that was guiding his kids never controlling. He was an accomplished pilot who was joe cool the one you want flying your plane because he would not get excited in emergency situations.
As for the ring on the bullets that I mentioned above this was told to Phil’s family by the sheriffs office. To them it looks like murder suicide. I unfortunately had to tell my young daughter about this and it was very sad. When I told her about the ring on the bullets even she realized that he never wore his ring. She last saw Phil with his wife when she was about 3 or 4 she is now 11.
Because of human nature being what it is I do not believe this will be further investigated. Also I will not be making any motions for a investigation of this also. I believe he was killed and maybe it was for the 9/11 research he was doing. I am not willing to put my family or myself in harms way. Sorry but I also will not be contacting anyone online about this for the same reason.
I could go on and on about why he did not do this. In the end I have lost a lifelong friend who was a really great guy. Unfortunately people will not know this. I will miss him.
by barracuda » Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:51 pm
by FourthBase » Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:24 pm
barracuda wrote:The "older comments" link works fine for me.
by barracuda » Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:24 pm
by FourthBase » Tue Mar 26, 2013 6:40 pm
Phils friend February 9, 2013 at 8:16 pm # Went to memorial for kids today. We had a separate one for Phil afterward. No one: neighbors, family or friends believe he did this. Sorry you folks did not get a chance to know him. From what I understand the investigation is ongoing.
. rainbowsally February 10, 2013 at 2:36 am # From this and a few other articles I’ve found on the net I’ve compiled a few questions. From the Calaveras Enterprise (slightly edited for clarity). ———- “The actions don’t match the person we know,” said Merita Callaway, a county supervisor who lives four doors up the street from Marshall. She considered him a good friend. “I can’t tell you how many times we’ve had conversations over a cup of coffee together.” “When I heard what happened, I couldn’t believe it,” Callaway said. “He loved his children.” She received a call from a sheriff’s captain asking her ‘Do you think this was a murder suicide,” to which she replied, “I had a hard time with it. I truly felt like somebody came in the house.” Orig: http://www.calaverasenterprise.com/news ... f887a.html ———- What the American people (and the people of Calaveras County) deserve are honest, intelligent answers. 1. Did the detectives that offered the “sleeping on a couch” theory comment on an active investigation? If not what were they doing there. 2. Were they “local” deputies? 3. What are the names, specifically, of the deputies that advanced the ‘sleeping on a couch’ theory? The theory: a) dog killed in the bedroom, b) children killed while sleeping on the couch. 4. Can the coroner comment on an active investigation? The coroner debunked the deputies’ theory, offering new one. Says it’s a good question as to whether whether or not they may have been drugged because they “appear to have been sleeping”. 5. How does the coroner determine whether or not a corpse had been sleeping before being killed and also acknowledge that a 9 mm glock firing may have awakened one or the other of them? The coroner apparently has been able to dial in the time of death. How does one dial in the time of waking up from a gun shot? In fact as long as we appear to be struggling to make a little sense here, who was most likely killed first, the dog or the people? 6. Are they doing ballistics tests on the bullets fired? Do the bullets in the victims (possibly including the dad) match the weapon found in the house? 7. Will this investigation be handled competently? If the guy looking for work down at EDD can do a better job, why not save a few bucks and replace those who can’t. 8. According to this article, Calloway said the Sheriffs themselves at least at one point had a question as to whether or not this was a triple murder (after the initial deputies’ theory). So, did the Sheriffs call Calloway to ask her opinion on whether this was a murder-suicide or a triple murder or did they not?
. DS Holter February 11, 2013 at 12:56 am # He was on C2C a few weeks before this hit on he and his family. He said then that if anything happened to him, it was not a suicide. He made it very clear.
. rainbowsally February 11, 2013 at 1:05 pm # Ex-wife weighs in.. ———- “He wasn’t any Contra pilot,” said Kallauner. “That was all just a fantasy.” Kallauner was wed to Marshall in 1985. They divorced about three years later. ———- 1985 was right in the heat of it. There doesn’t appear to be any dispute about his being a pilot. Most (if not all — I haven’t checked it all) of his information is not new but does appear to be a consensus of many people who have been involved in the drug smuggling aspect of the so called Iran-Contra affair. There’s Compromised, by Terry Reed (a pilot) and John Cumings (journalist) for example who won their lawsuit against LIFE magazine who hand claimed he made up his story. And there’s the Underground Empire by James Coats detailing not only the government’s efforts to curtail drug trafficking under international conspiracy laws, but ends on an ominous note suggesting that the government might have also been in the same business. (At least the “dark side” of government, which appeared at the very end to have gotten the upper hand) right around the time Henry Gonzalez of the House Banking Committee was coming to similar conclusions from the angle of investigating banking scandals and knowing about, and facilitating Hussein’s procurement of NUCLEAR MATERIAL — which he proved and which can still be looked up in the House Record here. http://thomas.loc.gov in the 101-103rd congresses. So is Marshall’s story possible? Evidently, it is. Did he experience it or pick this information up from others? Depends on who said it first. Now back to Marshall’s wife. Marshall’s ex-wife apparently contacted the Union Democrat to make these revelations. No one knows what her own relationship to the CIA might be, and for that matter what relationship his current wife may have or how deep Marshall’s cover was. But as was the case in the Valery Plame outing, it appears that both mates might actually be in related businesses, both above and below the ‘event horizon’, so to speak, in some cases. (A time line analysis might also be interesting in this case, as it was in the Plame outing — Dr. David Kelly was found after apparently committing suicide 3 days later.) Unfortunately, as the dead man (Philp Marshall) can’t make his own case, logic and reason, questions and answers, are about the best we can do. Let’s start with this: Something here STINKS! It could be lack of uniform rules between various agencies, it could be dismal journalism, it could people who have no right to be employed in sensitive positions in our system of forensics and justice. But something for sure stinks here. Re. Time lines and circumstantial evidence which tend to feed the conspiracy ‘hypotheses’. With a backdrop of increased crackdowns on whistle blowers (wikileaks, bradly manning, etc.) we have Senators and Brennan appointment as CIA head. This guy failed to pass muster one previous attempt withdrawing his name rather than getting grilled. The only thing tying these things together is that they are coincidental. They happened at the same time. But when we the people are held at an arm’s length from the processes (like black box voting and secret ballot counting, or internet voting which is incredibly unwise) our best shot at best evidence is sometimes simply “circumstantial” evidence. People that don’t like conspiracy theories should stop conspiring to make fun of the folks who question the (sometimes utterly absurd*) “official theories” and dispel them honestly. If they can. —————– * re. utterly absurd theories. One of the 9/11 hijackers’ wallet and ID were found unscorched in a plane crash that practically vaporized the plane. Something for everyone? Even the lamest-brained conspiracy theorist could use that as a starter kit. The fact that our officials could believe that story leads one to believe that they are either incompetent, stupid, or perhaps truly dangerous as guardians of this great republic. The same goes for some of the “official theories” we’ve heard regarding this family’s tragedy. Thanks again for this forum, -rs
. Phil's Friend February 12, 2013 at 1:14 pm # Ok I am going to weigh in on the ex-wife. I did not know Ann as well. Phil was flying with Barry Seal before he met his first wife. So in that respect she is correct that he was not flying for the Contras when they were married he was flying for Eastern Airlines. I met her once before they were married and once after they were married. Ann was battling her own demons and dealing with anorexia which led to the divorce. My question is why were her remarks even printed? The ex-wife really? Is this the best that can be done for this man and his children?
Kate February 15, 2013 at 11:43 am # Your timeline is off. I have absolute knowledge of this. He had a few jobs while he was married to Ann before he was hired by Eastern Airlines. And of course she dated him before they were married. You do not know as much as you think you do….
Kate February 15, 2013 at 11:51 am # I also have absolute knowledge that the ex-wife did not work for the CIA.
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by barracuda » Wed Mar 27, 2013 2:41 am
by 8bitagent » Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:32 am
barracuda wrote:No Pakistanis, no Israelis to speak of. It's not really a long book, or a complicated theory, or meant to tie up every single loose end. Any clues that lead to bin Laden or Al Qaeda, Marshall ignores. He contends bin Laden's organization simply did not have the capabilities to pull this off. He was, instead, one of the targets. Marshall believed Steve Pieczenik to be a credible source on bin Laden's health.
Kinda made me wonder if the seal team killed a lookalike. There must have been a few.
Personally, I never really understood the whole Ptech thing. I think it's over my head.
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