Coming Soon -- War With North Korea?

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Re: Coming Soon -- War With North Korea?

Postby brekin » Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:36 am

I am totally not getting how we have been conditioned for over a decade now to believe at any minute we will face "9/11 part 2"
but now suddenly with NK hourly telling the world it is going to blow us up or go to war (or we are already at war) but its all just
more "bellicose rhetoric"?

It makes me wonder if we are in the dark to what special ops may be taking place in or around NK right now?
What has got Kim Jong Un so twisted about these "war simulations"? Is it just more of the same and he's
"crazy like his old man" or is someone trying to foment an Arab Spring in NK?

War with NK seems to me completely dire. Every war is ultimately a land war. NK is just the welcome mat
to China.
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Re: Coming Soon -- War With North Korea?

Postby Col. Quisp » Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:56 pm

elfismiles wrote:"The images show a chart marked "US mainland strike plan" and missile trajectories that the NK News web site estimates terminate in Hawaii, Washington DC, Los Angeles and what they claim is Austin, Texas."

.... much more likely San Antonio which has many more military bases ... or maybe Fort Hood. Or maybe the ship channel near Houston.

:frightened: well ... not really ... more like :uncertain:


North Korea plan to attack US mainland revealed in photographs
North Korea has revealed its plans to strike targets in Hawaii and the continental United States in photos taken in Kim Jong-un's military command centre.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... raphs.html

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This reminds me of a bad movie where the villain reveals his dastardly plans to take over the world. It's just another distraction.
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Re: Coming Soon -- War With North Korea?

Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Mar 30, 2013 1:20 pm

War Scare in Korea – A Manufactured Crisis

by Eric Margolis

The United States and the two feuding Koreas could blunder into a real war unless both Pyongyang and Washington cease provoking one another.

Last week, two nuclear-capable US B-2 stealth bombers flew non-stop from America to South Korea, and then home. These ‘invisible’ aircraft can carry the GBU-43/B MOAB 13,600kg bomb that is said to be able to blast through 70 meters of reinforced concrete, putting North Korea’s underground nuclear facilities and its leadership’s command bunkers under dire threat.

Earlier this month, US B-52’s heavy bombers staged mock attack runs over South Korea – within minutes flying time of the North - rekindling memories of the massive US carpet bombing raids that devastated North Korea during the 1950’s Korean War. US-South Korean-Australian war games in March were designed to train for war with the North. The US media ignored these provocative exercises, but, as usual, North Korea went ballistic, foolishly threatening to attack the US with long-ranged missiles it does not yet possess.


We have grown jaded over the years by North Korea’s threats and chest-beating. But its recent successful nuclear test and work on a long-ranged missile have begun to add muscle to Pyongyang’s threats. No sooner was the new young North Korean leader, Kim Jong-un, in power than the US, South Korea and Japan began testing him.

More important, the US-South Korea defense treaty calls on Washington to militarily intervene if war erupts between North and South Korea. Given present tensions, a border fight on the Demilitarized Zone (DMZ), commando raids by North Korea’s 110,000-man special forces, air or naval clashes could quickly lead to full war.

North Korea has repeatedly threatened to flatten parts of South Korea’s capitol, Seoul, using 11,000 heavy guns and rocket batteries hidden in caves along the DMZ. North Korean commandos and missile batteries are tasked with attacking all US airbases and command headquarters in South Korea. The 28,500 US troops based in South Korea will also be a primary target.


North Korea’s medium ranged missiles are aimed at US bases on mainland Japan, Okinawa and Guam. North Korea’s tough 1.1-million man army is poised to attack south. Massive US airpower would eventually blunt such an advance, but that would mean moving US warplanes from the Gulf and Afghanistan. The US Air Force’s stocks of bombs and missiles are perilously low and its equipment showing heavy wear and tear.

The US has become accustomed to waging war against small nations whose ‘threat’ has been wildly overblown: Grenada, Somalia, Iraq, Libya. The last real war fought by the US, against Vietnam, was an epic defeat for American arms. North Korea is not an Iraq or Libya.

North Korea’s air force and navy would be quickly destroyed by US and South Korean air power within days of war. But taking on North Korea’s hard as nails army will be a serious challenge if it fights on the defensive. Pentagon studies show that invading North Korea could cost the US up to 250,000 casualties. So the US would be clearly tempted to use tactical nuclear weapons. But North Korea vows to nuke Japan if the US goes nuclear. And there is the threat of Chinese intervention.

The US would be wise to back off from this confrontation and lower tensions with North Korea. America’s empty Treasury can’t afford yet another war, having already blown $2 trillion on the lost wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. America’s armed forces, bogged down in the Mideast and Afghanistan, are in no shape to fight a real war in Korea. Just moving heavy armor and guns there would take months.

Now might be a good time for Washington to ease rather than keep tightening sanctions on North Korea. Pyongyang’s real objectives are to gain a non-aggression treaty with the US and direct, normal relations. Washington won’t hear of this, though it deals with other repellant regimes. American neocons are determined to overthrow North Korea’s regime, fearing it will send advanced arms to Israel’s Mideast foes.

Military forces on the Korean Peninsula are on hair-trigger alert. Flying B-2’s near the North is almost daring it to attack. Diplomats, not air force generals, should be running this largely manufactured crisis.
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Re: Coming Soon -- War With North Korea?

Postby 82_28 » Sat Mar 30, 2013 1:21 pm

Col. Quisp wrote:
elfismiles wrote:"The images show a chart marked "US mainland strike plan" and missile trajectories that the NK News web site estimates terminate in Hawaii, Washington DC, Los Angeles and what they claim is Austin, Texas."

.... much more likely San Antonio which has many more military bases ... or maybe Fort Hood. Or maybe the ship channel near Houston.

:frightened: well ... not really ... more like :uncertain:


North Korea plan to attack US mainland revealed in photographs
North Korea has revealed its plans to strike targets in Hawaii and the continental United States in photos taken in Kim Jong-un's military command centre.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... raphs.html

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This reminds me of a bad movie where the villain reveals his dastardly plans to take over the world. It's just another distraction.

RE: The Photo

I wanna know what all those awards are for on his generals' breasts. (yeah, I saw that bad lipreading way of that sentence -- genitals and breasts). Anyhow, what would an added award to your military fanfare amount to in a place like NK? And dude looks like a veritable clown. If he didn't have any protection, guy would get popped in the nose quick with any other line of work or lineage. What is it with NK's cult of personality? Again, the guy just looks like a goofball.
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Re: Coming Soon -- War With North Korea?

Postby exojuridik » Sat Mar 30, 2013 3:41 pm

Reporting from the front line out of CheongJu South Korea . . . this isnt even a story over here. Outside of CNN or this OP nobody takes DPRK's bluffs about war seriously . After renouncing the 60 year old armistice agreement several weeks ago, a declaration of war appears to be the the only rhetorical stance they can take short of outright starting WWIII. My feel is that China and the US are not ready for such a conflict just yet. This announcement strikes me as being a hard wrangled resolution wrestled from an entrenched domestic dispute - Kim jung un has shown signs of being a progressive leader but he must contend with the established brass in the military. My hunch is that he is doing a trade-off with the KPA so he can affect liberalization policies in other arenas. Sure, Korea is an international fault line that could trigger the end of the world . . . however, this time all the stakes are in North Korea's basket and unless they are unilateraly ready to commit suicide, it just doesnt seem prudent right now to start shit
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Re: Coming Soon -- War With North Korea?

Postby barracuda » Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:09 pm

Why can't Rodman just handle this whole crisis for us? I don't get it.

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Re: Coming Soon -- War With North Korea?

Postby 8bitagent » Sat Mar 30, 2013 7:38 pm

Guys, I normally kid around...but this is super super serial serious this time... http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013 ... south?lite
(whoops, forgot my green font color)

I agree that it's a possibility that with Lil' Kim, things may actually cool and slowly commercialization and normalization will creep in. He just as to "flex" as they say in the gangbanger world.

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Re: Coming Soon -- War With North Korea?

Postby DrVolin » Sat Mar 30, 2013 7:45 pm

The fact that it is a story on US media and nowhere else is really what we should be worried about.
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Re: Coming Soon -- War With North Korea?

Postby KeenInsight » Sat Mar 30, 2013 11:46 pm

North Korea isn't just a crazy step-child. The leadership has been nurtured into crazy. The U.S. budget, is what, like 60% military? War would likely be greatly welcomed by the corporations that foster destruction and death.

From the perspective of North Korea, their general populace does not trust the U.S., SK, or NATO, considering in the Korean War, had the highest civilian death ratio of any war after the world wars. It was policy to bomb and kill the North Korean civilians, an international war crime.
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Re: Coming Soon -- War With North Korea?

Postby elfismiles » Sun Mar 31, 2013 3:15 pm

Eric Margolis said wrote:
War Scare in Korea – A Manufactured Crisis

by Eric Margolis

The 28,500 US troops based in South Korea will also be a primary target.



Jeezus Harry Christ! over 28 THOUSANND US troops there?!?!?!?


United States military deployments

Combat zones

Afghanistan – Approximately 68,000[3]

Africa and the Middle East

Kuwait - Approximately 15,000[4]
Bahrain – 2,902[1]
Qatar – 800[1]
Diego Garcia - 516[1]
Egypt – 292[1] See Multinational Force and Observers
Saudi Arabia - 278[1]
United Arab Emirates - 193[1]
Djibouti – 139[1]

Asia-Pacific

Japan – 52,692[1]; See United States Forces Japan
South Korea – 28,500; See United States Forces Korea
Australia - 183[1]
Singapore – 180[1]
Philippines - 131[1]
Thailand – 114[1]

Europe
US military bases in Germany in 2009.

Germany – 45,596[1]
Italy – 10,916[1]
United Kingdom – 9,310[1]
Spain – 1,600[1]
Turkey – 1,491[1]
Belgium – 1,165[1]
Portugal – 713[1]
Netherlands – 374[1]
Greece – 361[1]
Norway - 90[1]

Western Hemisphere

Guantanamo Bay, Cuba – 988[1]
Honduras - 388[1]
Canada - 146[1]
Greenland - 138[1]

United States

There are 1,199,556[1] personnel on active duty in the United States and its territories:

The contiguous United States – 1,123,219[1]
Hawaii – 49,242[1]
Alaska – 21,280[1]
Guam – 5,646[1]
Puerto Rico - 162[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta ... eployments

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Re: Coming Soon -- War With North Korea?

Postby Nordic » Sun Mar 31, 2013 3:35 pm

The entire thing is probably just a marketing stunt for big MIC's sale of more missile-defense systems, which are money pits without parallel.

For all we know, Little Kim might even be in on the deal. There's big money involved.
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Re: Coming Soon -- War With North Korea?

Postby KeenInsight » Mon Apr 01, 2013 8:14 pm

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-danger ... ct/5329307


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The Dangers of War: What is Behind the US-North Korea Conflict?

What’s happening between the U.S. and North Korea to produce such headlines this week as “Korean Tensions Escalate,” and “North Korea Threatens U.S.”?

The New York Times reported March 30:

“This week, North Korea’s young leader, Kim Jung-un, ordered his underlings to prepare for a missile attack on the United States. He appeared at a command center in front of a wall map with the bold, unlikely title, ‘Plans to Attack the Mainland U.S.’ Earlier in the month, his generals boasted of developing a ‘Korean-style’ nuclear warhead that could be fitted atop a long-range missile.”

The U.S. is well aware North Korea’s statements are not backed up by sufficient military power to implement its rhetorical threats, but appears to be escalating tensions all the same. What’s up? I’ll have to go back a bit to explain the situation.

Since the end of the Korean War 60 years ago, the government of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK or North Korea) has repeatedly put forward virtually the same four proposals to the United States. They are:

1. A peace treaty to end the Korean War.

2. The reunification of Korea, which has been “temporarily” divided into North and South since 1945.

3. An end to the U.S. occupation of South Korea and a discontinuation of annual month-long U.S-South Korean war games.

4. Bilateral talks between Washington and Pyongyang to end tensions on the Korean peninsula.


The U.S. and its South Korean protectorate have rejected each proposal over the years. As a consequence, the peninsula has remained extremely unstable since the 1950s. It has now reached the point where Washington has used this year’s war games, which began in early March, as a vehicle for staging a mock nuclear attack on North Korea by flying two nuclear-capable B-2 Stealth bombers over the region March 28. Three days later, the White House ordered F-22 Raptor stealth fighter jets to South Korea, a further escalation of tensions.

Here is what is behind the four proposals.

1. The U.S. refuses to sign a peace treaty to end the Korean War. It has only agreed to an armistice. An armistice is a temporary cessation of fighting by mutual consent. The armistice signed July 27, 1953, was supposed to transform into a peace treaty when “a final peaceful settlement is achieved.” The lack of a treaty means war could resume at any moment. North Korea does not want a war with the U.S., history’s most powerful military state. It wants a peace treaty.

2. Two Koreas exist as the product of an agreement between the USSR (which borderd Korea and helped to liberate the northern part of country from Japan in World War II) and the U.S., which occupied the southern half. Although socialism prevailed in the north and capitalism in the south, it was not to be a permanent split. The two big powers were to withdraw after a couple of years, allowing the country to reunify. Russia did so; the U.S. didn’t. Then came the devastating three-year war in 1950. Since then, North Korea has made several different proposals to end the separation that has lasted since 1945. The most recent proposal, I believe, is “one country two systems.” This means that while both halves unify, the south remains capitalist and the north remains socialist. It will be difficult but not impossible. Washington does not want this. It seeks the whole peninsula, bringing its military apparatus directly to the border with China, and Russia as well.

3. Washington has kept between 25,000 and over 40,000 troops in South Korea since the end of the war. They remain — along with America’s fleets, nuclear bomber bases and troop installations in close proximity to the peninsula — a reminder of two things. One is that “We can crush the north.” The other is “We own South Korea.” Pyongyang sees it that way — all the more so since President Obama decided to “pivot” to Asia. While the pivot contains an economic and trade aspect, its primary purpose is to increase America’s already substantial military power in the region in order to intensify the threat to China and North Korea.

4. The Korean War was basically a conflict between the DPRK and the U.S. That is, while a number of UN countries fought in the war, the U.S. was in charge, dominated the fighting against North Korea and was responsible for the deaths of millions of Koreans north of the 38th parallel dividing line. It is entirely logical that Pyongyang seeks talks directly with Washington to resolve differences and reach a peaceful settlement leading toward a treaty. The U.S. has consistently refused.

These four points are not new. They were put forward in the 1950s. I visited the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea as a journalist for the (U.S.) Guardian newspaper three times during the 1970s for a total of eight weeks. Time after time, in discussions with officials, I was asked about a peace treaty, reunification, withdrawal of U.S. troops from the south, and face-to-face talks. The situation is the same today. The U.S. won’t budge.

Why not? Washington wants to get rid of the communist regime before allowing peace to prevail on the peninsula. No “one state, two systems” for Uncle Sam, by jingo! He wants one state that pledges allegiance to — guess who?

In the interim, the existence of a “bellicose” North Korea justifies Washington’s surrounding the north with a veritable ring of firepower in the northwest Pacific close enough to almost, but not quite, singe China. A “dangerous” DPRK is also useful in keeping Japan well within the U.S. orbit. It also is another excuse for once-pacifist Japan to boost its already formidable arsenal.

In this connection I’ll quote from a Feb. 15 article from Foreign Policy in Focus byChristine Hong and Hyun Le: “Framing of North Korea as the region’s foremost security threat obscures the disingenuous nature of U.S. President Barack Obama’s policy in the region, specifically the identity between what his advisers dub ‘strategic patience,’ on the one hand, and his forward-deployed military posture and alliance with regional hawks on the other. Examining Obama’s aggressive North Korea policy and its consequences is crucial to understanding why demonstrations of military might — of politics by other means, to borrow from Carl von Clausewitz — are the only avenues of communication North Korea appears to have with the United States at this juncture.”

Here’s another quote from ANSWER Coalition leader Brian Becker:

“The Pentagon and the South Korean military today —and throughout the past year — have been staging massive war games that simulate the invasion and bombing of North Korea. Few people in the United States know the real situation. The work of the war propaganda machine is designed to make sure that the American people do not join together to demand an end to the dangerous and threatening actions of the Pentagon on the Korean Peninsula.

“The propaganda campaign is in full swing now as the Pentagon climbs the escalation ladder in the most militarized part of the planet. North Korea is depicted as the provocateur and aggressor whenever it asserts that they have the right and capability to defend their country. Even as the Pentagon simulates the nuclear destruction of a country that it had already tried to bomb into the Stone Age, the corporate-owned media characterizes this extremely provocative act as a sign of resolve and a measure of self-defense.”

And from Stratfor, the private intelligence service that is often in the know:

“Much of North Korea’s behavior can be considered rhetorical, but it is nonetheless unclear how far Pyongyang is willing to go if it still cannot force negotiations through belligerence.”

The objective of initiating negotiations is here taken for granted.

Pyongyang’s “bellicosity” is almost entirely verbal — several decibels too loud for our ears, perhaps — but North Korea is a small country in difficult circumstances that well remembers the extraordinary brutality Washington visited up the territory in the 1950s. Millions of Koreans died. TheU.S. carpet bombings were criminal. North Korea is determined to go down fighting if it happens again, but hope their preparedness will avoid war and lead to talks and a treatry.

Their large and well-trained army is for defense. The purpose of the rockets they are building and their talk about nuclear weapons is principally to scare away the wolf at the door.

In the short run, the recent inflammatory rhetoric from Kim Jong-un is in direct response to this year’s month-long U.S.-South Korea war games, which he interprets as a possible prelude for another war. Kim’s longer run purpose is to create a sufficiently worrisome crisis that the U.S. finally agrees to bilateral talks and possibly a peace treaty and removal of foreign troops. Some form of reunification could come later in talks between north and south.

I suspect the present confrontations will simmer down after the war games end. The Obama Administration has no intention to create the conditions leading to a peace treaty — especially now that White House attention seems riveted on East Asia where it perceives an eventual risk to its global geopolitical supremacy.

Jack A. Smith, editor of Activist Newsletter



Quite simply, the U.S. wants NK to pledge allegiance to Uncle Sam.
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Re: Coming Soon -- War With North Korea?

Postby justdrew » Mon Apr 01, 2013 9:16 pm

Nordic wrote:The entire thing is probably just a marketing stunt for big MIC's sale of more missile-defense systems, which are money pits without parallel.

For all we know, Little Kim might even be in on the deal. There's big money involved.


wait, is Denis Rodmnan in Pacific Rim? :rofl2
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Re: Coming Soon -- War With North Korea?

Postby Luther Blissett » Tue Apr 02, 2013 3:21 pm

DrVolin wrote:The fact that it is a story on US media and nowhere else is really what we should be worried about.


I was attacked for reiterating this, since a lot of international news outlets are covering it as well. I do agree that the storyline is a product of American public relations engines though.
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