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Postby kelley » Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:03 am

ny times et al reporting margaret thatcher dead

good riddance


I saw a newspaper picture from the political campaign
A woman was kissing a child, who was obviously in pain
She spills with compassion, as that young child's
Face in her hands she grips
Can you imagine all that greed and avarice
Coming down on that child's lips

Well I hope I don't die too soon
I pray the lord my soul to save
Oh I'll be a good boy, I'm trying so hard to behave
Because there's one thing I know, I'd like to live
Long enough to savor
That's when they finally put you in the ground
I'll stand on your grave and tramp the dirt down

When England was the whore of the world
Margaret was her madam
And the future looked as bright and as clear as
The black tarmacadam
Well I hope that she sleeps well at night, isn't
Haunted by every tiny detail
'Cos when she held that lovely face in her hands
All she thought of was betrayal

And now the cynical ones say that it all ends the same in the long run
Try telling that to the desperate father who just squeezed the life from his only son
And how it's only voices in your head and dreams you never dreamt
Try telling him the subtle difference between justice and contempt
Try telling me she isn't angry with this pitiful discontent
When they flaunt it in your face as you line up for punishment
And then expect you to say thank you straighten up, look proud and pleased
Because you've only got the symptoms, you haven't got the whole disease
Just like a schoolboy, whose head's like a tin-can
Filled up with dreams then poured down the drain
Try telling that to the boys on both sides, being blown to bits or beaten and maimed
Who takes all the glory and none of the shame

Well I hope you live long now, I pray the lord your soul to keep
I think I'll be going before we fold our arms and start to weep
I never thought for a moment that human life could be so cheap
'Cos when they finally put you in the ground
They'll stand there laughing and tramp the dirt down

-- elvis costello, 'tramp the dirt down'
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Re: margaret thatcher

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:46 am



Pinochet was this country's staunch, true friend
Full text of Margaret Thatcher's speech to the Blackpool fringe

guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 6 October 1999 12.17 EDT
My friends thank you for the fantastic welcome. It's nine years since I spoke at a Conservative Party Conference. A lot has happened since then - and not much of it for the better.
Today I break my self-denying ordinance. And for a very good reason, namely to express my outrage at the callous and unjust treatment of Senator Pinochet. But first I want to extend a personal welcome to our Chilean guests, who have come half way round the world to be with us. They should understand the deep sense of shame and anger we feel at the way in which Chile - its honour, its dignity, its sovereignty and its former ruler - have been treated.

I do not know when or how this tragedy will end. But we will fight on for as long as it takes to see Senator Pinochet returned safely to his own country. Chileans can rest assured that, however contemptibly this Labour Government behaves, the British people still believe in loyalty to their friends.

Chile is our oldest friend in South America. Our ties are very close and have been ever since Admiral Cochrane helped free Chile from oppressive Spanish rule. He must be turning in his grave to see Britain now encouraging Spain's arrogant interference in Chilean affairs. Pinochet was this country's staunch, true friend in our time of need when Argentina seized the Falkland Islands. I know - I was Prime Minister at the time. On President Pinochet's express instructions, and at great risk, Chile provided enormously valuable assistance. I cannot reveal the details, but let me mention just one incident.

During the Falklands War the Chilean airforce was commanded by the father of Senator Evelyn Matthei, here with us this evening. He gave us early warning of Chilean air attacks which allowed the task force to take defensive action. The value of the intelligence was proved when it stopped. One day, near the end of the conflict, the Chilean long-range radar had to be switched off for overdue maintenance. That same day - Tuesday 8th June, a date etched in my heart - Argentinean planes attacked and destroyed our ships the Sir Galahad and Sir Tristram. They were landing ships with many people aboard and they left us with heavy casualties.

Altogether some 250 members of our armed forces lost their lives during the Falklands War. Without President Pinochet there would certainly have been many more. We all owe him, and Chile, a great debt of gratitude. But how did the authorities under this Labour Government chose to repay it? I will tell you - by collaborating in Senator Pinochet's judicial kidnap.

The precise extent of Ministers' and officials' involvement with the Spanish authorities is still obscure. But we know a good deal about the catalogue of abuses which occurred. We know that Senator Pinochet was treated on his arrival, as on previous occasions, as an honoured guest. We know that the Chileans were led to believe that he was safe when the British authorities already knew that to be false. We know that he was arrested by night, on his bed of pain after a spinal operation, in circumstances which would do credit to a police state. We know that he was held first in a tiny room at a clinic under sedation, and then in a house where he wasn't even allowed to set foot in the garden. We know that this was done under what the courts later ruled was an unlawful arrest warrant. We know that the authorities knew it was unlawful because they hurriedly sent lawyers to Spain to draw up a new one.

We know that Senator Pinochet's guilt was publicly prejudiced by a Labour Cabinet Minister. We know that for the first time in its history the House of Lords had to set aside its ruling because a Law Lord failed to declare an interest - and that the judge in question was then publicly exonerated by Labour's Lord Chancellor.

I never thought in my lifetime to see the honour of Britain and the reputation of British justice so demeaned as in this affair. All those responsible must be shamed and held publicly to account.

As has been confirmed at the recent hearing Senator Pinochet is still legally prevented from answering in a British court any of the charges against him. And his accusers do not, it seems, have to present here any evidence of guilt as several speakers have mentioned on this point. Under the Extradition Treaty the case can only be heard in Spain. That treaty envisaged of course that all the courts of countries which signed the Extradition Convention would behave in an honest and equitable fashion and that those extradited would receive a fair trial. But the Spanish judicial procedure in this matter has been little short of scandalous.

The Spanish Socialist prosecuting magistrate has simply assembled any charge whatsoever that he thinks might fit the bill - even though there is no evidence of Senator Pinochet's involvement in, or even knowledge of, the cases concerned and even though not one concerns a Spaniard. It is well known that counselling this prosecuting magistrate at every stage is Allende's former political adviser, working with a network of other Marxists in Spain and Chile. The chance of Senator Pinochet's receiving anything resembling what we in Britain would recognise as 'justice' in a Spanish court as minimal - not least because key witnesses for his defence run the risk of immediate arrest if they set foot on Spanish soil. What is planned is a [show-style] show-trial with a preordained outcome - lingering death in a foreign land. All this has many implications.

There are implications for Chile where the small minority of communists who once nearly wrecked the country under Allende will now be encouraged to overturn the prosperous, democratic order that Pinochet and his successors built. There are implications my friends for Britain whose interests will be jeopardised, not just in the Falklands and South America, but in isolated enclaves round the world where friends will see how we reward past deeds of friendship. And there are implications for heads of government everywhere as they see that at some future date they may be hauled out of hospital in a foreign country at the dead of night to face some trumped up charge.

My friends, these are vial matters for our Party to ponder. We must pay heed to the implications of an international lynch-law which, under the guise of defending human rights, now threatens to subvert British justice and the rights of sovereign nations.

The people of Britain too should reflect on what has been revealed about the priorities of the Labour Government. For this is a government that grovels to collaborate with Spain, whose bullying of Gibraltar is a daily outrage, yet treats our Chilean allies with contempt. This is a government which reckons that ageing spies, who betrayed our country to Soviet communism, should escape prosecution - yet obsessively pursues the frail 83 year old Pinochet who stopped the communists from taking Chile. This is a government which grants amnesties to unrepentant terrorist murderers yet overturns an amnesty in Chile and imperils that country's young democracy. My friends, this is a government which dishonours and discredits Britain.

Make no mistake revenge by the Left, not justice for the victim, is what the Pinochet case is all about. Senator Pinochet is in truth on trial, not for anything contained in Judge Garzon's indictment, but for defeating communism. What the left can't forgive is that Pinochet undoubtedly saved Chile and helped save South America.

But don't take my word for it. Listen instead to President Aylwin, Pinochet's democratically elected successor and frequent opponent, who said: "the Allende government was planning, with the assistance of an armed militia of enormous military power, to establish a communist dictatorship". That, ladies and gentlemen, was what Pinochet stopped.

As he himself admits there were abuses in the wake of the military coup. And some of these continued. The precise responsibility for what happened can only be judged in Chile. But it is an affront to common sense as well as a caricature of justice to maintain that a head of government must automatically accept criminal responsibility for everything that is done while he is in power - whether he authorised it or not. On that basis Messrs Blair and Straw should accept criminal responsibility for everything done in every prison or police station throughout the United Kingdom - and then be extradited to Spain to answer for it.

Why is it, I wonder, that those queuing up to accuse Senator Pinochet of every grotesque abuse imaginable don't mention the positive legacy of his rule in Chile? What about the fact that Chile was turned from chaotic collectivism into the model economy of Latin America? What about the fact that more people were housed, that medical care was improved, that infant mortality plummeted, that life expectancy rose, that highly effective programmes against poverty were launched? Above all why don't they tell the world that it was Senator Pinochet who established a constitution for the return to democracy? That he held a referendum to decide whether or not he should remain in power? That he lost the vote (though gaining 44 per cent support)? And that he respected the result and handed over to an elected successor?

But of course we know why none of these achievements are talked about. It's because the Left don't want them to be talked about - or even (if they can help it) known about.

My friends, the Left lost the Cold War in Chile, as they lost it everywhere else. For our Home Secretary, who visited Chile as a young left-wing activist, that must have been very distressing. It can hardly have been much pleasanter for our Prime Minister, who recently described Allende as his "hero".

The Left in Chile, and in Britain, had to abandon all the rhetoric and most of the policies of socialism in order to get power. But what they couldn't and wouldn't abandon was the poisonous prejudices they harboured in their youth. And this, of course, was the situation when a trusting, elderly, former Chilean ruler chose to pay one too many visits to his beloved Britain last autumn.

When the communists so nearly assassinated him in 1986 President Pinochet knew that he was being fired on by his enemies. Little could he imagine that a new, legal and political assassination was to be planned for him in the Britain he trusted as a friend.

Perhaps his enemies will succeed. Perhaps he will die here, as this country's only political prisoner. Or perhaps he will breathe his last in a Spanish hospital, awaiting some interminable, contemptible semblance of justice. But at least he will know, and the world will know that his friends did not abandon his cause and that those whom the Left would like to silence - but dare not - have proclaimed the truth about his treatment.



Margaret Thatcher Defiende Al General Pinochet


Pinochet and Margaret Thatcher having tea,
Pinochet says "Margaret thanks for having me."
Margaret says "If only I had followed your advice,
I would still rule Britannia."

Pinochet and Margaret Thatcher eating scones,
Margaret says "With you I never feel alone."
Pinochet sighs, "Margaret you're an angel
more than twice over Princess Diana."

Pinochet is wiping something off his hands,
why it won't come off Margaret can't understand.
If Karma really happened quickly wouldn't it be nice,
someone would rot in España.

Pinochet and Margaret Thatcher
Pinochet and Margaret Thatcher
Pinochet and Margaret Thatcher
sitting down to tea.

Pinochet And Margaret Thatcher Deborah Holland


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They could still get him out of office.
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Re: margaret thatcher

Postby NeonLX » Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:08 am

I thought this seemed like a particularly upbeat Monday. Now I know why!

Thanks, Kelley!
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Re: margaret thatcher

Postby FourthBase » Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:54 am

The NBC affiliate featured one person's remembrances of Thatcher, in a phone interview.
Can you guess who it was, today of all days?
Why, it was Kissinger, of course, lol!
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Re: margaret thatcher

Postby Jeff » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:12 am



WHEN MARGARET THATCHER DIES
THERE WILL BE NO TEARS
SAVE YOUR SORROW FOR THE PEOPLE THAT SHE STOMPED FOR YEARS
SHE TORTURED NORTH OF WATFORD WITH A VICIOUS HATE
SO WHEN MARGARET THATCHER DIES
LET'S CELEBRATE

HEY HO
HERE WE GO
TELL EVERYBODY THAT WE KNOW
SHE'S GONE!
COLOUR ME WITH LOVE
BUILD A BONFIRE
PAINT THE SKY
COME ON DOWN
I'LL TELL YOU WHY.
SHE'S GONE!
AND NOBODY CRIES...

THE DAY THAT MARGARET THATCHER DIES
THE DAY THAT MARGARET THATCHER DIES

YOU WANNA GIVE HER A STATE FUNERAL?
WELL THAT'S JUST GREAT.
IRONIC,COS SHE LEFT US IN A SORRY STATE
I PROTEST!
IT'S MONEY WASTED
BUILD A SCHOOL INSTEAD
THE ONLY REASON THAT I'LL GO IS TO MAKE SURE SHE'S DEAD...

HEY HO
HERE WE GO
TELL EVERYBODY THAT WE KNOW
SHE'S GONE!
COLOUR ME WITH LOVE
BUILD A BONFIRE
PAINT THE SKY
COME ON DOWN
I'LL TELL YOU WHY.
SHE'S GONE!
AND NOBODY CRIES...

THE DAY THAT MARGARET THATCHER DIES
THE DAY THAT MARGARET THATCHER DIES
THE DAY THAT MARGARET THATCHER DIES
THE DAY THAT MARGARET THATCHER DIES

IF YOU SAY MONEY'S ALL THAT MATTERS
THEN YOU'LL PAY A PRICE
DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU DO
YOU'LL KILL TO GET A SLICE
COS THE WICKED WITCH OF WESTMINSTER
LEFT AN EVIL CURSE.
NOW IT'S DOWN TO THATCHER'S CHILDREN
AND IT'S GETTING WORSE!

HEY HO
HERE WE GO
TELL EVERYBODY THAT WE KNOW
SHE'S GONE!
COLOUR ME WITH LOVE

BUILD A BONFIRE
PAINT THE SKY
COME ON DOWN
I'LL TELL YOU WHY.
SHE'S GONE!
AND NOBODY CRIES...

THE DAY THAT MARGARET THATCHER DIES
THE DAY THAT MARGARET THATCHER DIES
THE DAY THAT MARGARET THATCHER DIES
THE DAY THAT MARGARET THATCHER DIES

SO DIE,DIE,DIE,DIE,DIE DIE,
DIE,DIE,DIE,DIE,DIE DIE

YEAH DIE,DIE,DIE,DIE,DIE DIE
DIE,DIE,DIE,DIE,DIE DIE

THE DAY THAT MARGARET THATCHER DIES...
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Re: margaret thatcher

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:16 am

"They can polish their medals and sharpen their smiles.
And amuse themselves, playing games for a while.
Boom boom, bang bang, lie down you're dead."


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Re: margaret thatcher

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:43 am

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Re: margaret thatcher

Postby Jeff » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:52 am

Ha! Good on Scotland!



"I'm also very much aware that it's you who brought democracy to Chile..."



Glenn Greenwald wrote:There's something distinctively creepy - in a Roman sort of way - about this mandated ritual that our political leaders must be heralded and consecrated as saints upon death. This is accomplished by this baseless moral precept that it is gauche or worse to balance the gushing praise for them upon death with valid criticisms. There is absolutely nothing wrong with loathing Margaret Thatcher or any other person with political influence and power based upon perceived bad acts, and that doesn't change simply because they die. If anything, it becomes more compelling to commemorate those bad acts upon death as the only antidote against a society erecting a false and jingoistically self-serving history.


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Re: margaret thatcher

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Re: margaret thatcher

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:20 pm

I won't be happy till Thatcherism is dead as well. She said her proudest political achievement was New Labour, and unfortunately she was right.

The ironic thing is that ATOS had just found her fit for work. :lol:
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Re: margaret thatcher

Postby kenoma » Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:37 pm

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Re: margaret thatcher

Postby kelley » Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:41 pm

ny times headline online:

margaret thatcher dies; remade britain

classic ambiguous understatement

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Re: margaret thatcher

Postby JackRiddler » Mon Apr 08, 2013 5:38 pm

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What have we done? O Maggie what have we done?

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They disembarked in 45
And no-one spoke and no-one smiled
There were too many spaces in the line.
Gathered at the cenotaph
All agreed with hand on heart
To sheeeeeeathe... the sacrificial knives.

But now
She stands upon Southampton dock
With her handkerchief
And her summer frock
That clings to her wet body in the rain.
In quiet desperation -
Knuckles white upon the slippery reins -
She bravely waves the boys Good-bye again.

mmmm-mmm-mmmmmmm, mmmm-mmm-hmmmmmmmmm

And still the dark stain spreads between
Their shoulder blades.
A mute reminder of the poppy fields and graves.
And when the fight was over
We spent what they had made.
But in the bottom of our hearts
We felt the final cut.


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AhabsOtherLeg wrote:I won't be happy till Thatcherism is dead as well. She said her proudest political achievement was New Labour, and unfortunately she was right.
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Re: margaret thatcher

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:14 pm

Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: margaret thatcher

Postby justdrew » Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:01 pm

Flags were lowered to half-mast at Britain’s parliament to mark the death of Margaret Thatcher on Monday, and flowers piled up at her London home — but at the other end of the political spectrum, left-wingers joyfully planned parties to celebrate her departure.

On the streets of London’s financial district — whose power was fuelled by Thatcher’s deregulation of the financial sector — many passers-by reacted with dismay to the passing of the former Conservative premier.

“It’s a shame, a crying shame. She’s a good woman,” said Alan Whiteford, a law firm employee.

“It’s a sad day,” added banker Nick Daking.

At Thatcher’s former home in central London, a pile of flowers was growing on the doorstep.

“The greatest British leader and a true lady,” one card read. “You make Britain what it is.”

But in the edgy south London neighbourhood of Brixton, sworn enemies of the former Iron Lady were planning a huge street party for Monday evening — with more than 600 people listed as attending on Facebook.

Coal miners were among Thatcher’s bitterest foes during her 1979-90 premiership — and for one senior mining official marking his birthday on Monday, her death was the icing on the cake.

“I’m having a drink to it right now,” David Hopper, regional secretary of the National Union of Mineworkers (NUM) in northeast England, told AFP with unabashed glee.

“It’s a marvellous day. I’m absolutely delighted. It’s my 70th birthday today and it’s one of the best I’ve had in my life.”

Others on the left also hailed Thatcher’s departure as a cause for celebration.

“We’ll be glad to see the back of her,” Judith Orr, editor of the far-left Socialist Worker weekly newspaper, told AFP.

“She ruined the lives of tens of millions of working class people in Britain.

“And she rejoiced in war. She was the one who said we should rejoice in the sinking of the Belgrano, in the deaths of hundreds of young Argentine conscripts.

“That was one of her most disgusting moments, but there is a long list of crimes.”

Rights activist Peter Tatchell described the former Iron Lady as “extraordinary but heartless”, saying she had presided over the decimation of Britain’s manufacturing base and introduced “Britain’s first new anti-gay law in 100 years”, Section 28.

Yet he conceded that as Britain’s first and still only woman prime minister, she had achieved something significant.

“To her credit, she shattered the sexist glass ceiling in politics and got to the top in a man’s world.”

A single daffodil was placed at feet of a statue of Thatcher outside the chamber of the House of Commons, or lower house of parliament, with a card saying: ‘You were an inspiration to women’.

Online reaction to Thatcher’s death was just as mixed.

“A great lady,” wrote technology tycoon Alan Sugar. “She changed the face of British politics, created opportunity for anyone to succeed in the UK. RIP.”

Even One Direction singer Harry Styles paid tribute, tweeting “RIP Baroness Thatcher” — but the boy band singer’s message left many young fans, born after her era, confused as to who he was talking about.

Others did not hold back in condemning Thatcher, just hours after her death.

“May she burn in the hellfires,” tweeted left-wing firebrand lawmaker George Galloway.

“I wish there was a Margaret Thatcher statue in Glasgow,” posted Scottish comedian Robert Florence. “I’d like to be seen on the news toppling it and hitting it with my shoes.”

Many of those celebrating her passing marked their tweets with the hashtag #nowthatchersdead — causing panic among fans of the US singer Cher, as some took this to read: “Now that Cher’s dead”.








Thatcher…. Bloody Thatcher!
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