Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby compared2what? » Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:02 am

Canadian_watcher wrote:
seemslikeadream wrote:would they have shut down NYC if the boys hadn't run out of gas?


I would have liked to have seen that door to door search! One wonders if Park Ave would have been spared.


They actually weren't tossing houses in Beacon Hill, either. But, to be fair, that also applies to Roxbury.

Because they didn't actually do a door-to-door for the entire city. They were looking for a suspect in and around the neighborhood he disappeared into on foot.

The entire city was shut down. But I assume that was because there was a risk to mass transit. That's what it would have been about here.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby 8bitagent » Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:05 am

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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby compared2what? » Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:21 am

They're pretty much admitting-without-admitting that the cops opened fire on him when he was unarmed. Or that's how it reads to me:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... ory_1.html

Law enforcement officials described the 30 minutes before the arrest of Tsarnaev as chaotic. One characterized it as “the fog of war” and said that in a highly charged atmosphere, one accidental shot could have caused what police call “contagious fire.”

Officers from several agencies gathered around the Watertown house as darkness fell. The FBI was in charge of the scene, but there also were officers from the Massachusetts State Police, local police and transit police.

“They probably didn’t know whether he had a gun,” said one law enforcement official, who like others interviewed for this article spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation. “Hours earlier, he and his brother had killed a police officer, shot another officer and thrown explosives out of their cars as the police were chasing them. They couldn’t assume that he did not have a gun and more explosives.”


Etc. More at link.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby Karmamatterz » Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:30 am

Brainpanhandler wrote:

Not really. This board is almost excluisively in the 25% camp that will need to be rounded up for having wrong thoughts. I don't understand why members feel the need to lecture other members of this board as though they were fox news watchers.


Yeah well after trying to tolerate all the vomited spasms of rhetoric on this thread over the past weekend it really felt like I was listening to el Rushbo or Fox. You don't recall the comments questioning board members patriotism and the flag? So extremely nauseating.

So yeah, my comment last night wasn't really an argument, it was a stupid rant, thus I ended referencing how it fit so nicely with all the other rants. Call it a straw man, whatever works, I don't mind. There is so much hair splitting on this thread now about what is and isn't fascism, what is and isn't martial law. Sheesh, a lot of conspiratorial masturbation!

All I know is that it sure as hell is not generally needed to have armored personnel carriers and paramilitary forcing people out of there homes block by block. I really don't care where you live. That shit just isn't good, sure as hell isn't following precedent. It was one guy they were after, it was an overwhelming overblown show of force. But boy oh boy did a lot of people get sucked into it.

The media salivated and went berserk.

Bostonians were put into a frenzy of fear, and law enforcement and the media fostered that. But now we have the FBI looking suspect themselves, just more reason not to like any of it. It all stinks, the frenzied spasms puked out onto this board were awful and splitting hairs over fascism only seems like a distraction. But maybe that's just me.

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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby Karmamatterz » Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:30 am

Sorry, double posted.
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but maybe it's not just you.....

Postby IanEye » Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:48 am

Karmamatterz wrote:It all stinks, the frenzied spasms puked out onto this board were awful and splitting hairs over fascism only seems like a distraction. But maybe that's just me.



http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?p=83750#p83750

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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby FourthBase » Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:49 am

Karmamatterz wrote:Brainpanhandler wrote:

Not really. This board is almost excluisively in the 25% camp that will need to be rounded up for having wrong thoughts. I don't understand why members feel the need to lecture other members of this board as though they were fox news watchers.


Yeah well after trying to tolerate all the vomited spasms of rhetoric on this thread over the past weekend it really felt like I was listening to el Rushbo or Fox. You don't recall the comments questioning board members patriotism and the flag? So extremely nauseating.


Shall we quote what I actually posted?
Or do you just want to issue an apology now?

So yeah, my comment last night wasn't really an argument, it was a stupid rant, thus I ended referencing how it fit so nicely with all the other rants. Call it a straw man, whatever works, I don't mind. There is so much hair splitting on this thread now about what is and isn't fascism, what is and isn't martial law. Sheesh, a lot of conspiratorial masturbation!


So...don't split hairs?
So...we should just pick one caricaturish side of a false dichotomy or the other?

Bostonians were put into a frenzy of fear, and law enforcement and the media fostered that. But now we have the FBI looking suspect themselves, just more reason not to like any of it. It all stinks, the frenzied spasms puked out onto this board were awful and splitting hairs over fascism only seems like a distraction. But maybe that's just me.


No such "frenzy", something else, something far less histrionic.
Actually, it was more like the opposite: Fearlessness.
#mustcorrect

Again, splitting hairs over a complex issue...that's bad? And the alternative?

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A frenzy...of splitting hairs?
Sounds to me like a feast of being-reasonable.
In other words, exactly what is required.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby Karmamatterz » Fri Apr 26, 2013 1:04 am

FB, do you really feel such a strong need for an apology? Some people simply didn't like what you wrote. Nope not apologizing. Get over it, it was out of control and extremely disruptive.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Apr 26, 2013 1:09 am

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They could still get him out of office.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby FourthBase » Fri Apr 26, 2013 1:25 am

Karmamatterz wrote:FB, do you really feel such a strong need for an apology? Some people simply didn't like what you wrote. Nope not apologizing. Get over it, it was out of control and extremely disruptive.


Okay, so, quoting myself it is:

Do you not have even an ounce of patriotism? Do you not have an iota of respect for good cops?
The American flag is inherently a bad, scary, distasteful thing? Is that how you feel? If so, [redacted].


And no, no flag is good up or down. Nationalism is a danger to all of Humanity.


Even the "nationalism", i.e. democratic republic that enshrined that very same freedom of not letting the government take away your words and thoughts, in its constitution, which, despite being insidiously undermined by the 1947 National Security Act, is still alive and well and in force? The flag can also represent that, to you, if you wish it to. You should go down the store and buy one for a trial run of a week. See how it feels, waving an emblem of that freedom you cherish. Might feel good. If not, throw it out. Light it on fire. Your choice.


I was the kid who refused to stand up in class and praise a flag, not because it was cool, because it is my RIGHT. Cultural heritage is important, but not a Flag, Ever, IMO. If I displayed a Flag upside down at my home, some douchebag neighbor would probably call the cops like an idiot anyways, or I would get vandalized. And for what? Making a valid free-speech point, when the law specifically states what it stands for? So I don't see anything "cool" about it.


1. Symbols are important, self-determined as much as culturally so. Did your ancestors not value symbols? Do you? Some people value them too much, or for the wrong reason. That's their problem. You get to decide what a flag or any symbol means to you.

2. Your douchebag neighbor would get a mighty earful from a real veteran. Fuck him. Do it.


And so, that is what you depicted as Limbaugh-ish FOX-style "questioning board members patriotism and the flag", and I defy anyone here to find anything similar on FOX or from Limbaugh, i.e., pleading for just a minute trace of patriotism (versus demanding total loyalty), defining the greatness of our peculiar "nationalism" as a contract guaranteeing that the government will not take away freedoms but which had been compromised by the National Security Act of 1947 (versus shut up and believe the president of course there are nukes in Iraq what are you a socialist), praising the flag as having the potential to represent whatever ideal and conception of country an individual wishes including radical dissent and entailing the sacred right to casually discard the thing in a fire if you choose (versus salute the flag or else you commie), reminding that the upside-down flag can absolutely conform to even the most proper set of protocols as a message of distress (versus the clueless idiots on FOX and right-wing talk radio). Perhaps I was not clear enough, and so was misread. If so, my apologies.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Apr 26, 2013 1:28 am

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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby Iamwhomiam » Fri Apr 26, 2013 1:30 am

Karmamatterz wrote, "You don't recall the comments questioning board members patriotism and the flag?"

Honestly, I don't. I also don't have the best memory, but I been reading all the postings in this thread since it was started and cannot recall anything quite like that happening. Perhaps you'll be kind enough to send me a link to what you're referring to via pm? Thanks.

FourthBase, regarding this: Wow, Iamwhomiam, you weren't kidding! :ohwh There's more to Fox than meets the eye. Perhaps he's a 'spotter,' too, a locater of prime candidates. I'm sure his "counseling" session was private.

I wonder if he's a talented hypnotizer.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby 8bitagent » Fri Apr 26, 2013 1:33 am

"Nothing about this case makes any sense" - Michael Isakoff
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04 ... aring?lite

I think even people in the media and some investigators are scratching their heads.

So two guys commit the biggest American news story of the year, horrifying the public. But they allegedly plan to continue the horror show in New York. Yet, the kid
shows up to college the next day like nothing happened. They both then continue to stick around Cambridge, randomly go back to MIT and kill a campus cop.
They then carjack and take hostage someone for allegedly half an hour, filling the SUV with all sorts of explosivesm, even allegedly tossing grenades out the window at cops. Then end up engaging in cops in a firefight.

Does anyone have a theory? Was their programming shut off? ;) Seriously tho, what was their end game? If it was to NOT get caught, they would have high tailed it to Canada or fled to rural areas or sought shelter somewhere while lying low. If it was carry out more attacks, they would have gone straight to NYC. Yet they don't do either. I'm pretty stumped like everyone else.

I mean it's almost like they did this bomb act and then just went back to their business like a drunk driver who runs over someone but doesnt remember it. Remember they had several days without being identified
to get the heck out of dodge. Shit don't make no sense.
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby FourthBase » Fri Apr 26, 2013 1:35 am

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Why is it that other members get to sling stuff, freely, but when I sling a defense back then all of a sudden it's a huge disruption? So, the stuff others sling is not a huge disruption? It's only bad when I respond? No matter how patiently or calmly or well-within-the-rules I respond? How about nothing is slung? No more personal comments about how one member is doing this or another did this? How about we just do the substantive thing? Is that okay? Can we do that? Or do we absolutely need to carve out a "It's okay to personally indict FourthBase" exception? Is it that important, to be able to still accuse me of one or another thing I probably was not and probably did not and probably said not? Can we just move on? Substance, from now on? Please?
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Re: Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

Postby FourthBase » Fri Apr 26, 2013 1:53 am

8bitagent wrote:"Nothing about this case makes any sense" - Michael Isakoff
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04 ... aring?lite

I think even people in the media and some investigators are scratching their heads.


Yep. The plotters, whoever they were, screwed the pooch. Ran out of good excuses. Got too cocky. Didn't have enough ducks in a row. Or whatever. They fucked up, is the point. A small part of me wonders whether they really did underestimate how transparent the scheme would be, in that there would be just a few (or thirty) too many weirdnesses and inexplicabilities, too many good questions left unanswered that they didn't have back-up answers for if shit went off-script. A smaller part of me wonders if they are now improvising half-assedly in a panic, and using social media and message boards to figure out which holes need to be plugged most desperately most quickly. (And if so: "Hi! Your ship be sinking! It's too late, lol! You're fucked! Give up now, get your business in order. Because you will be going to jail, not too too long from now. Hope you had fun, though. Ride's over.")

So two guys commit the biggest American news story of the year, horrifying the public. But they allegedly plan to continue the horror show in New York. Yet, the kid
shows up to college the next day like nothing happened. They both then continue to stick around Cambridge, randomly go back to MIT and kill a campus cop.
They then carjack and take hostage someone for allegedly half an hour, filling the SUV with all sorts of explosivesm, even allegedly tossing grenades out the window at cops. Then end up engaging in cops in a firefight.

Does anyone have a theory? Was their programming shut off? ;) Seriously tho, what was their end game? If it was to NOT get caught, they would have high tailed it to Canada or fled to rural areas or sought shelter somewhere while lying low. If it was carry out more attacks, they would have gone straight to NYC. Yet they don't do either. I'm pretty stumped like everyone else.

I mean it's almost like they did this bomb act and then just went back to their business like a drunk driver who runs over someone but doesnt remember it. Remember they had several days without being identified
to get the heck out of dodge. Shit don't make no sense.


And it usually does make some sense. In some way, thank god for these brothers' lunatic willingness to go off-script, whatever the script was (note: a script like "Scenario 12D", not a "hoax!" script), and thank god for whichever cops insisted on taking the younger brother alive, because can't you just imagine some shadowy psychopath proverbial Cigar-Smoker slamming his fist on a table and shouting "Kill him! Fuck!" and then downing a shot of fine whiskey, muttering "Well, this is it...we're fucked...guess we'll have to make shit up on the fly, hope it works." (It won't, though. It won't work. They know it, I think. They're just buying time. Until federal prison, lol. I'd start getting really happy if, say, 2 or 3 members of the American Committee for Peace in Chechnya suddenly wound up dead by genuine suicide.)
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