I believe its solar, you believe otherwise.
slimmouse » Wed Feb 26, 2014 8:30 pm wrote:
Climate change is very real.I believe its solar, you believe otherwise.
I think what is neccesary at this stage, is to allow some creative avenues for understanding how we can overcome all of this stuff.
How about thinking about the earth herself?
Are you familiar in anyway with geo-enginering, formerly known as "chem trails"?
Thats an interesting avenue of exploration. Aluminium soil samples off the charts and stuff.
So it might appear that we need to immediately start adressing any ecological problems in a truly serious manner.
Assuming we get past fukishima of course.
Here's one of the fallacies that slows down critical analysis. Firstly, I don't 'believe' anything. Evidence points me in a direction. The sun does provide most of the energy in the system - not questioning this is assumed. What our good friends at the IPCC and myriad scientific researchers have established is that one: the planet is warming in proportion to CO2 concentrations independently of any solar effect
, and: two, that CO2 is the only
plausible and evidenced cause of this extra-solar warming. There may be another explination but 'it's the sun, stupid
ain't it.creative avenues for understanding how we can overcome all of this stuff.
Controversially, I am not one for 'creative' solutions. Typically they point in the direction of tech solution, or some other panacea bs. We know (to the best of our scientific and evidentiary ability) what the problems are and what the solution is: ramp down industrial productions, stop burning shit, chopping down trees, ripping up the topsoils, blowing up mountains, poisioning the waters, etc.. This is the ugly bit - too many people to be sustained without upward trend growth of fossil fuel use unless we compromise on quality of life, calorie intake and ego driven political intrigues.
As uncomfortable as it is for me to say it, without the non CO2 producing (EROEI equivalent) replacement for oil then hundreds or millions of people will die - the next hundred years will see bloodbaths that make Hitler's search for free land, look like an episode of Modern Family.
That's not very leftist, or 'green' of me? You want pie in the sky then you're conversing in the wrong place.
I think geoenginering is meh - going to poison a lot of people and do fuck all to fix anything but isn't a pressing issue in the grand scheme of things (though I'm aware that it freaks some conspiracy folk the fuck out)
Fukishima? A holy terror of a situation but it will be hundreds of years before we start to see the worst effects - radiation is a slow, slow burner. Is going to fuck up your great, great, great grandkid's (and all subsequent generations) shit.
You want creative analysis? Did you ever watch that British TV show 'Utopia'? (Autually, 'Cabin in theWoods', also)
What if the evil overlord, grand unified conspiracy cabal monsters are the ones in the right - what if mass/selective culling of the human herd is the only thing that can save the species. You can't understand anything unless you can view it from all sides. There are no winning choices for all affected - this isn't a puzzle where you solve it to everyone's satisfaction