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Justice Dept. spied on reporters in sweeping surveillance

Postby Elvis » Mon May 13, 2013 10:06 pm

http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/13/43277 ... ters-phone

Associated Press says Justice Department spied on reporters' phone calls in sweeping surveillance campaign
By Carl Franzen on May 13, 2013 05:03 pm Email @carlfranzen


The Associated Press is reporting that the US Department of Justice secretly spied on phone lines used by up to 100 of its reporters in a sweeping surveillance campaign, obtaining personal telephone numbers and details about sources and stories. The Justice Department reportedly obtained subpoenas to access phone records for 20 separate phone lines used by AP staffers for the period of April to May 2012.

The DOJ notified the AP of this surveillance operation in a letter the AP received Friday, but did not specify a reason as to why it was surveilling the reporters. The AP speculates that the move had something to do with the US government's previously stated investigation into leaked information about a foiled Yemeni terror plot that appeared in a story published by the AP on May 7, 2012. Still, the AP's CEO is blasting the move as an invasion of privacy and a chilling effect on the First Amendment right to the freedom of the press. As AP CEO Gary Pruitt wrote in a letter to the Justice Department on Monday:

"There can be no possible justification for such an overbroad collection of the telephone communications of The Associated Press and its reporters. These records potentially reveal communications with confidential sources across all of the newsgathering activities undertaken by the AP during a two-month period, provide a road map to AP's newsgathering operations, and disclose information about AP's activities and operations that the government has no conceivable right to know," Pruitt said.


A spokesperson for US attorney Ronald Machen of the District of Columbia, who issued the subpoenas for the AP's phone records, told the AP that the Justice Department followed all laws and applicable procedures in this case. The spokesperson declined to comment further, citing an ongoing criminal investigation.

Update: The ACLU has also come out vehemently against the Justice Department's subpoena of AP phone records, putting out several statements calling the move an "unacceptable abuse of power," and calling upon Attorney General Eric Holder to "explain the Justice Department's actions to the public so that we can make sure this kind of press intimidation does not happen again."

Update: An AP spokesperson told The Verge the organization has no intention to publish the letter it received from the Justice Department on the subpoena of AP phone logs. "We're not planning to do that, that's all I can say," said Erin Madigan White, AP manager of media relations.

Update: The White House denies having had any knowledge of the DOJ's seizure of AP phone records. On Monday, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney made the following statement, posted by The Daily Caller:

"Other than press reports, we have no knowledge of any attempt by the Justice Department to seek phone records of The AP. We are not involved in decisions made in connection with criminal investigations, as those matters are handled independently by the Justice Department. Any questions about an ongoing criminal investigation should be directed to the Department of Justice.”
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Postby Elvis » Mon May 13, 2013 10:18 pm

"criminal investigation" ...oh the irony...

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/govt-obt ... ords-probe

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The screen on the phone console at the reception desk at The Associated Press Washington bureau, Monday, May 13, 2013. The Justice Department secretly obtained two months of telephone records of reporters and editors for The Associated Press in what the news cooperative's top executive called a "massive and unprecedented intrusion" into how news organizations gather the news. (AP Photo/Jon Elswick)
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WASHINGTON (AP) — The Justice Department secretly obtained two months of telephone records of reporters and editors for The Associated Press in what the news cooperative's top executive called a "massive and unprecedented intrusion" into how news organizations gather the news.

The records obtained by the Justice Department listed outgoing calls for the work and personal phone numbers of individual reporters, for general AP office numbers in New York, Washington and Hartford, Conn., and for the main number for the AP in the House of Representatives press gallery, according to attorneys for the AP. It was not clear if the records also included incoming calls or the duration of the calls.

In all, the government seized the records for more than 20 separate telephone lines assigned to AP and its journalists in April and May of 2012. The exact number of journalists who used the phone lines during that period is unknown, but more than 100 journalists work in the offices where phone records were targeted, on a wide array of stories about government and other matters.

In a letter of protest sent to Attorney General Eric Holder on Monday, AP President and Chief Executive Officer Gary Pruitt said the government sought and obtained information far beyond anything that could be justified by any specific investigation. He demanded the return of the phone records and destruction of all copies.

"There can be no possible justification for such an overbroad collection of the telephone communications of The Associated Press and its reporters. These records potentially reveal communications with confidential sources across all of the newsgathering activities undertaken by the AP during a two-month period, provide a road map to AP's newsgathering operations and disclose information about AP's activities and operations that the government has no conceivable right to know," Pruitt said.

The government would not say why it sought the records. Officials have previously said in public testimony that the U.S. attorney in Washington is conducting a criminal investigation into who may have provided information contained in a May 7, 2012, AP story about a foiled terror plot. The story disclosed details of a CIA operation in Yemen that stopped an al-Qaida plot in the spring of 2012 to detonate a bomb on an airplane bound for the United States.

In testimony in February, CIA Director John Brennan noted that the FBI had questioned him about whether he was AP's source, which he denied. He called the release of the information to the media about the terror plot an "unauthorized and dangerous disclosure of classified information."

Prosecutors have sought phone records from reporters before, but the seizure of records from such a wide array of AP offices, including general AP switchboards numbers and an office-wide shared fax line, is unusual.

In the letter notifying the AP, which was received Friday, the Justice Department offered no explanation for the seizure, according to Pruitt's letter and attorneys for the AP. The records were presumably obtained from phone companies earlier this year although the government letter did not explain that. None of the information provided by the government to the AP suggested the actual phone conversations were monitored.

Among those whose phone numbers were obtained were five reporters and an editor who were involved in the May 7, 2012, story.

The Obama administration has aggressively investigated disclosures of classified information to the media and has brought six cases against people suspected of providing classified information, more than under all previous presidents combined.

The White House on Monday said that other than press reports it had no knowledge of Justice Department attempts to seek AP phone records.

"We are not involved in decisions made in connection with criminal investigations, as those matters are handled independently by the Justice Department," spokesman Jay Carney said.

Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., chairman of the investigative House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, said on CNN, "They had an obligation to look for every other way to get it before they intruded on the freedom of the press."

Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, said in an emailed statement: "The burden is always on the government when they go after private information, especially information regarding the press or its confidential sources. ... On the face of it, I am concerned that the government may not have met that burden. I am very troubled by these allegations and want to hear the government's explanation."

The American Civil Liberties Union said the use of subpoenas for a broad swath of records has a chilling effect both on journalists and whistleblowers who want to reveal government wrongdoing. "The attorney general must explain the Justice Department's actions to the public so that we can make sure this kind of press intimidation does not happen again," said Laura Murphy, the director of ACLU's Washington legislative office.

Rules published by the Justice Department require that subpoenas of records of news organizations must be personally approved by the attorney general, but it was not known if that happened in this case. The letter notifying AP that its phone records had been obtained through subpoenas was sent Friday by Ronald Machen, the U.S. attorney in Washington.

William Miller, a spokesman for Machen, said Monday that in general the U.S. attorney follows "all applicable laws, federal regulations and Department of Justice policies when issuing subpoenas for phone records of media organizations." But he would not address questions about the specifics of the AP records. "We do not comment on ongoing criminal investigations," Miller said in an email.

The Justice Department lays out strict rules for efforts to get phone records from news organizations. A subpoena can be considered only after "all reasonable attempts" have been made to get the same information from other sources, the rules say. It was unclear what other steps, in total, the Justice Department might have taken to get information in the case.

A subpoena to the media must be "as narrowly drawn as possible" and "should be directed at relevant information regarding a limited subject matter and should cover a reasonably limited time period," according to the rules.

The reason for these constraints, the department says, is to avoid actions that "might impair the news gathering function" because the government recognizes that "freedom of the press can be no broader than the freedom of reporters to investigate and report the news."

News organizations normally are notified in advance that the government wants phone records and then they enter into negotiations over the desired information. In this case, however, the government, in its letter to the AP, cited an exemption to those rules that holds that prior notification can be waived if such notice, in the exemption's wording, might "pose a substantial threat to the integrity of the investigation."

It is unknown whether a judge or a grand jury signed off on the subpoenas.

Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., a potential 2016 presidential candidate, said: "The Fourth Amendment is not just a protection against unreasonable searches and seizures, it is a fundamental protection for the First Amendment and all other Constitutional rights. It sets a high bar — a warrant — for the government to take actions that could chill exercise of any of those rights. We must guard it with all the vigor that we guard other constitutional protections."

The May 7, 2012, AP story that disclosed details of the CIA operation in Yemen to stop an airliner bomb plot occurred around the one-year anniversary of the May 2, 2011, killing of Osama bin Laden.

The plot was significant both because of its seriousness and also because the White House previously had told the public it had "no credible information that terrorist organizations, including al-Qaida, are plotting attacks in the U.S. to coincide with the (May 2) anniversary of bin Laden's death."

The AP delayed reporting the story at the request of government officials who said it would jeopardize national security. Once officials said those concerns were allayed, the AP disclosed the plot, though the Obama administration continued to request that the story be held until the administration could make an official announcement.

The May 7 story was written by reporters Matt Apuzzo and Adam Goldman with contributions from reporters Kimberly Dozier, Eileen Sullivan and Alan Fram. They and their editor, Ted Bridis, were among the journalists whose April-May 2012 phone records were seized by the government.

Brennan talked about the AP story and investigation in written testimony to the Senate. "The irresponsible and damaging leak of classified information was made ... when someone informed The Associated Press that the U.S. government had intercepted an IED (improvised explosive device) that was supposed to be used in an attack and that the U.S. government currently had that IED in its possession and was analyzing it," he wrote.

He also defended the White House decision to discuss the plot afterward. "Once someone leaked information about interdiction of the IED and that the IED was actually in our possession, it was imperative to inform the American people consistent with government policy that there was never any danger to the American people associated with this al-Qaida plot," Brennan told senators.
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Postby justdrew » Mon May 13, 2013 10:29 pm

bitch and moan and whine and cry. then TOMORROW they'll run some more pro-rightwing fear mongering stories justifying why we have to have every electronic communication tapped and stored. IN this case they know about it because the JD told them. Where the fuck is the AP been the last 20 years on American's right to privacy? No where. No law was broken. So are we now going to see people up in arms to reign in massive surveillance? Of course not. Just lip service paid to an un-written rule that "the press" - whoever the hell that is - is "supposed" to be exempt from it.

and if they didn't get the phone records? The story would be, administration dragging it's heals on security leaks, protecting the librul media.

It's all such bullshit. such utter hypocritical bullshit.

Get ready, because this is what we're going to get for the next 4 years. endless bullshit. Nothing done. All while the world burns away. What a fine bunch of fools the human race. :roll:
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Postby compared2what? » Mon May 13, 2013 10:47 pm

justdrew wrote:bitch and moan and whine and cry. then TOMORROW they'll run some more pro-rightwing fear mongering stories justifying why we have to have every electronic communication tapped and stored. IN this case they know about it because the JD told them. Where the fuck is the AP been the last 20 years on American's right to privacy? No where. No law was broken. So are we now going to see people up in arms to reign in massive surveillance? Of course not. Just lip service paid to an un-written rule that "the press" - whoever the hell that is - is "supposed" to be exempt from it.

and if they didn't get the phone records? The story would be, administration dragging it's heals on security leaks, protecting the librul media.


That's completely true.

It's all such bullshit. such utter hypocritical bullshit.


That too. And it doesn't help that it's so easy to get people to start cursing and condemning the use of anonymous sources to begin with.

But that doesn't make it okay. The press has to be able to talk to confidential sources about CIA ops without the government knowing. Otherwise, there's not even any option of anything besides dictation-taking.

Sounds like it might have been more about the CIA using the DoJ than it was a DoJ initiative. We'll see, I guess.
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Re: Justice Dept. spied on reporters in sweeping surveillanc

Postby Elvis » Mon May 13, 2013 11:52 pm

justdrew wrote:and if they didn't get the phone records? The story would be, administration dragging it's heals on security leaks, protecting the librul media.


I hadn't thought of that (though I did think, in mock wonder, "why did the librul govt have to spy on the librul media??"...I can imagine a Tom Tomorrow cartoon coming from this).

As you said in Alchemy's thread:

justdrew wrote:Even assuming he were in control of whatever investigation this was part of... There's clearly no right move for him to have made.


It's hard to know how much control either Holder or Obama really has over such decisions, or if they really even care, or how options are presented by the spook dept. and so on. That said, I won't give Holder too much benefit of doubt, seems he's always there for TPTB.


It's all such bullshit. such utter hypocritical bullshit.
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Postby FourthBase » Tue May 14, 2013 8:27 am

It's all such bullshit. such utter hypocritical bullshit.


I agree.

Oh, wait...

You weren't talking about yourself?

Nevermind, then. LMFAO.
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Postby 82_28 » Tue May 14, 2013 9:58 am

I don't understand what you're "laughing your fucking ass off" about, 4B. What's the big joke that makes you laugh so? I wanna laugh too, but I don't get it. I certainly would never laugh at Drew (I'd laugh with him), so what's that about?

But as to topic, it's quite an oddity that the spied upon media can report about being spied upon whilst being reportedly spied upon and then report about being spied upon while being spied upon and then report about being spied upon while being spied upon.

Talk about recursive!

A: What is the point of spying on reporters who work for corporate "news" publications who are going to ultimately enforce the running narrative?

B: How is it possible to spy on someone or an entity whose sole purpose is to ultimately make it public? They're doing the spying for you for free.

C: Since nobody for the most part cares about real news, what's the uptake, what's the benefit? All "news" is largely sensational and doesn't have any bearing on "reality" other than it becomes our reality.

D: There are algorithms that write news stories. Who controls the application of the algorithms?

The story here is that there is an effort for something intended to be missed when you read between the lines. That "something" is that the story is the non-story. The story is reading between the lines on your own because real journalism, at least in my lifetime, has never satisfied my idealistic needs. Sure, you can get outraged or enlightened by this or that but there is no reason to "spy" on journalists. There need to be spies on the spies if we are to accept the reality of spies and what their purpose is.

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Postby Canadian_watcher » Tue May 14, 2013 10:24 am

The protection of sources, sometimes also referred to as the confidentiality of sources or in the U.S. as the reporter's privilege, is a right accorded to journalists under the laws of many countries, as well as under international law. Simply put, it means that the authorities, including the courts, cannot compel a journalist to reveal the identity of an anonymous source for a story. The right is based on a recognition that without a strong guarantee of anonymity, many people would be deterred from coming forward and sharing information of public interests with journalists. As a result, problems such as corruption or crime might go undetected and unchallenged, to the ultimate detriment of society as a whole. In spite of any such legal protections, the pervasive use of traceable electronic communications by journalists and their sources provides governments with a tool to determine the origin of information.[1] In the United States, the federal government legally contends that no such protection exists for journalists.[2]


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Postby Canadian_watcher » Tue May 14, 2013 10:31 am

THE ORGANISATION FOR AMERICAN STATES

The American Convention on Human Rights, adopted in 1969, sets out one of the strongest international protections of freedom of expression. Article 13(1) states:

Everyone has the right to freedom of thought and expression. This right includes freedom to seek, receive, and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing, in print, in the form of art, or through any other medium of one's choice.
In 2000, the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights issued a Declaration on Freedom of Expression to better set out the rights as protected under Article 13. which states:

Every social communicator has the right to keep his/her source of information, notes, personal and professional archives confidential. 20


https://www.privacyinternational.org/reports/model-brief-on-the-protection-of-journalists-sources/the-right-of-protection-of-sources-in


Physical Dangers
The most serious consequence that can result from the lack of source protection is the
physical endangerment of the journalist. Many journalists work in areas of extreme danger
such as war zones or investigation and reporting on dangerous crime. If a journalist is
considered an informant or a spy for the authorities or a future witness in a trial, this may
result in their being targeted.


http://wikileaks.org/w/images/c/c0/Silencingsources.pdf
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Postby Bruce Dazzling » Tue May 14, 2013 10:32 am

FourthBase wrote:
It's all such bullshit. such utter hypocritical bullshit.


I agree.

Oh, wait...

You weren't talking about yourself?

Nevermind, then. LMFAO.


Pointless, trolling.

Again.

And again.

And again.

Despite oodles of warnings from DrVolin and me.

Despite recently being suspended.

I've really tried to be patient with you, but you can't seem to help yourself, 4B, and between your constant trolling, and our constant need to moderate you, multiple threads have been derailed, and colossal amounts of my time have been wasted.

Having said all of that, I'm suspending your account for an amount of time to be determined by moderator consensus, but I guarantee that it will be no less than one week.
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Postby thatsmystory » Tue May 14, 2013 11:26 am

82_28 wrote:A: What is the point of spying on reporters who work for corporate "news" publications who are going to ultimately enforce the running narrative?


This was my reaction. There are some possibilities:

1) Shore up public support for the media. "Hey they are out there digging up truth for the public! It must be so cause why else would the bigshot government officials be sooooo worried?"

2) Play to the vanity of the press. "We know the press is lame and does what we want for the most part but let's make 'em feel like they are the genuine article."

3) Paranoia in government. Nixon-esque. The bubble restricts reality from entering.

4) Insatiable thirst for power. "We are in charge here. If we want to spy on journalists we will. No explanation needed."
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Postby Canadian_watcher » Tue May 14, 2013 11:48 am

thatsmystory wrote:
82_28 wrote:A: What is the point of spying on reporters who work for corporate "news" publications who are going to ultimately enforce the running narrative?


This was my reaction. There are some possibilities:

1) Shore up public support for the media. "Hey they are out there digging up truth for the public! It must be so cause why else would the bigshot government officials be sooooo worried?"

2) Play to the vanity of the press. "We know the press is lame and does what we want for the most part but let's make 'em feel like they are the genuine article."

3) Paranoia in government. Nixon-esque. The bubble restricts reality from entering.

4) Insatiable thirst for power. "We are in charge here. If we want to spy on journalists we will. No explanation needed."


I don't know if the AP would count as one of the corporate news publications such as the kind that might be employed to reinforce the public narrative.
The AP is more of a primary resource as opposed to almost every single 'news' outlet currently in operation in the US, which I agree are already in place to divide the public - half the truth comes out of the 'left media' and the other half comes out of the 'right media' and they laugh because the US population will NOT look at both sides - ever - and therefore they'll never see that the whole truth is right before them.

However, I digress.

The importance of NOT spying on journalists and their sources (wow, can anyone older than 20 even believe this has to be explained?) is laid out pretty well in the three articles I posted after 82's post.
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Postby Canadian_watcher » Tue May 14, 2013 12:05 pm

And another point:

Let's say that a reporter who is an honest person, fighting for justice, not yet bought and paid for, comes across a story of great import to the citizenry. (It happens - look at Wikileaks stuff - the goods are out there, and good people are trying to bring them to light). So let's say a reporter has an amazing source with access to primary documents, who is willing to share them with the reporter. So the reporter goes to his/her editor and gets shut down. Yep, that probably happens multiple times a day all over the world. Okay.. but...

That source is still able to live his/her life and possibly use other avenues to bring the information out, since their identity is protected. However, with spying like this going on that source might not live to see the next morning if the info is damning enough. I'd say that that's a good reason for the protection of sources.
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Postby Elvis » Tue May 14, 2013 12:12 pm

thatsmystory wrote:Nixon-esque.


Yes, this is nothing new, really; Nixon and Kissinger regularly tapped reporters' phones. ("The illegal we do immediately, the unconstitutional takes a little longer.") Doesn't make Obama doing it less tawdry.

Funny side note... I'm reading "The Last Hero - Wild Bill Donovan" by Anthony Cave Brown, about William Donovan, the "Father of Central Intelligence," and as late as 1940, the federal government's main source of foreign intelligence, aside from some basic military intel, was reading The New York Times.
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deep throat this.

Postby IanEye » Tue May 14, 2013 12:16 pm

2001 -2008

Karl Rove calls up reporter, says a bunch of lies. says he wants all quotes as "anonymous" or said reporter will never gets access to White House again.

reporter prints lies, credits anonymous sources.

Dick Cheney makes the rounds of the Sunday morning news shows. says same lies, and adds, "If you don't believe me, this was also reported in the Washington Post." then cites the lies Rove said to reporter.

rinse, repeat.

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