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Recently, I came across Jay Parker's videos where he tells his story. Having lived right across the street from Arden Delaware for over ten years, I found it especially interesting. After looking into it, I found a connection between the "Buzz Ware" (the Buzz Ware Village Center http://ardenbuzz.com/ which used to be the school) he talks about and the Ware Group which tried to overthrow the American government. Hamilton "Buzz" Ware is the brother of Harold Ware, who managed the Ware Group until his strange death. It was then taken over by Whittaker Chambers. Buzz was also the son of "Mother" Bloor, who was an American labor organizer and long-time activist in the socialist and communist movements. Arden is a "utopian", single-tax community founded in 1900 noted for its arts, crafts, and theater. The other community he mentioned, Rose Valley, PA, was also founded in 1900 and has a theater as well.

When my kids were in Kindergarten, they went to the Buzz Ware Center for after school care. They always complained about going without giving me an explanation as to why. Since they only went a few days a week, and they never gave me a reason, I dismissed it. Today they're 24-years old and when I mentioned it, they immediately told me how much they hated it there, but, once again, couldn't give me a reason. Jay Parker mentioned some type of handheld instrument they use to hypnotize the children so they won't remember anything afterwards. I know I sound paranoid but after listening to Jay, I worry that they might have been victims. It's just so hard to believe that stuff like this goes on, especially within groups of people who appear so harmless.

Also, Jay's "Illuminati" grandparents lived in PA, in the town where I grew up. I would love to know his mother's maiden name! His mother taught at a school I'm very familiar with, which he claimed was full of Satanic activity. It's a very expensive school. Tuition is well over $20,000/year, so most of the kids who attend come from wealthy families...more than a few du Ponts, who, Jay claimed, were/are Satanic. My daughter was friends of one of the du Pont's groundskeeper who lived on the duPont property in a small house in a very wooded area. The du Pont mansion was about a mile away through these woods. At the time I didn't even know what a Satanist was, but I was so creeped out by something (I don't know what) I wouldn't let her spend the night. Oddly enough, at a later date, I ran into this girl's parents in Arden...they acted as if they never met me. I chalked it up to not allowing my daughter to spend the night. Because after that, we never heard from them again. On the other hand, my ex brother-in-law dated a Dupont, and she couldn't have been nicer.





The Illuminati the name of a secret society, founded by Adam Weishaupt, in Germany, in 1776, with the goal of seeking world domination through subversive means I believe that's even recorded in official history books. But in 1784, the order was exposed, and forced to disband so now scholars have used the suppression of this order to claim that no conspiracy continues to exist. But, Weishaupt himself boasted that he prepared for the moment when it would be exposed in order to re-establish it. I think its exposure may have been almost hoped for or deliberate in order to go "invisible" therefore become much more powerful. As they say, "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convince the world he didn't exist"

So I think the current term, "Illuminati” is applied to make these groups of people--secret societies-- to appear as if they don't exist because the "Illuminati" disbanded in 1784. But in reality, these individuals and secret organizations continue to pursue the same goals in our time and that they certainly do exist.

However, what is not clear is who these individuals coming forward really are. Jay Parker? Cisco Wheeler? Cathy O'Brien? John Todd? Their stories are so far out that it's beyond the comprehension of most people. Not to mention, why are they allowed to continue? Why doesn't the "Illuminati" silence them? So do they have an agenda? I always thought their agenda was to discredit those who believe in the great power of these secret societies, behind the scenes, pulling the strings. On the other hand, there is no doubt that we live in a pedophocracy, where children are used as currency in elite circles. So it's possible that these, more or less, famous "Illuminati" whistle-blowers are essentially telling the truth, but at the same time, adding just enough bullshit to make most people turn away. And, that's what I did until Jay Parker. He confuses me, because he's talking about my neighborhood, and about places right outside my front door. Not to mention, there are NO celebrities, NO glitz and glamor...just, as he puts it, the rank and file "Illuminati" which obviously serve a very important purpose. Because without "Illuminati" members sprinkled throughout the ranks, their agenda would fall flat on its face. (I don't like using the term, "Illuminati" because I think it triggers immediate disbelief in most people but I don't know of any other term that everyone would understand.)

Also, I have listened to another woman from the Lancaster PA area who tells the same story but without the celebrities and without the publicity, who sounded very credible. Her family (Nazi) emigrated from Germany right after the war. And I uncovered a document from a New York Times reporter, where Sylvia Seegrist, the Springfield Mall shooter (I was a witness to the shooting), also tells a similar story about her parents. Reading it is like reading something from the Twilight Zone because it's all over the place, but the woman is obviously intelligent and if you take the time to piece it together, she paints a coherent picture. Sylvia's family was also very pro-Nazi.

John Todd?

Well, that one at least is pretty easy, no? He's a liar, who calculated his whole persona to make a living speaking to Evangelical Christians who wanted to believe his pitch. The others are far more tangled and troubling, but Todd has always struck me as a very straightforward human turd.

The "Illuminati" name is so problematic because Weishaupt’s goals, to the extent that history has been able to document them, were pretty benign. Not exactly Black Lodge of the Qliphoth material, at least. Meanwhile, which mystic tradition does have a clearly documented history of targeting children, using mind control, and using incredibly brutal means to achieve their ends? The Jesuits.

Even here in Vermont, there’s all kinds of sick little covens and cults, and everyone of those mundane teratomas is molded in the same image: men who want to be Gods. Funny how often they lack any ambition beyond fulfilling downright animal base desires and crushing all the pretty things. I don’t mean to dismiss it, because that urge is fucking dangerous even amongst people who have no power at all, as my community learned all too well by now.

Regardless, of course, all of these little afterbirths of Baphomet are quite keen to claim the Illuminati brand name, because after all, why half-ass your bullshit? Go for the Big Lie.

PA being rampant with organized Satanism, on the other hand, is something I accept as a fact of life in the real world. Hugely appreciate this dose of local history from someone with actual context.

So once this thread gets going a little, I'll tell you a story about Jay Parker. It'll be interesting to listen to the videos and see if what he told me (in person) is consistent with what he says in them.

Interesting post, divideandconquer. Thank you for sharing.

I'd love to read the Lancaster woman's bit; would that be possible?

Real or not, there's been 11 generations of intermarriages and offspring since its disbanding. Something to think about. Especially if real.

Iamwhomiam wrote:Interesting post, divideandconquer. Thank you for sharing.

I'd love to read the Lancaster woman's bit; would that be possible?

Real or not, there's been 11 generations of intermarriages and offspring since its disbanding. Something to think about. Especially if real.

I briefly dated a woman whose father was almost 70 when she was born. We once joked that if his father and his father's father had also been that old when they were born, then her hypothetical great-grandfather could have born before the American Revolution. Something to think about, too.

Question about Parker: Are there any transcripts for his interviews? Any? Couldn't find any.

Wombaticus Rex wrote:

John Todd?

Well, that one at least is pretty easy, no? He's a liar, who calculated his whole persona to make a living speaking to Evangelical Christians who wanted to believe his pitch. The others are far more tangled and troubling, but Todd has always struck me as a very straightforward human turd.

The "Illuminati" name is so problematic because Weishaupt’s goals, to the extent that history has been able to document them, were pretty benign. Not exactly Black Lodge of the Qliphoth material, at least. Meanwhile, which mystic tradition does have a clearly documented history of targeting children, using mind control, and using incredibly brutal means to achieve their ends? The Jesuits.

Even here in Vermont, there’s all kinds of sick little covens and cults, and everyone of those mundane teratomas is molded in the same image: men who want to be Gods. Funny how often they lack any ambition beyond fulfilling downright animal base desires and crushing all the pretty things. I don’t mean to dismiss it, because that urge is fucking dangerous even amongst people who have no power at all, as my community learned all too well by now.

Regardless, of course, all of these little afterbirths of Baphomet are quite keen to claim the Illuminati brand name, because after all, why half-ass your bullshit? Go for the Big Lie.

PA being rampant with organized Satanism, on the other hand, is something I accept as a fact of life in the real world. Hugely appreciate this dose of local history from someone with actual context.

Up until listening to Jay Parker, I didn't believe any of them, most especially, Cathy O'Brien. I still don't trust them, and I'm not completely sold on Jay Parker (if only I could get his mother's maiden name...anyone know? ) . At the same time, I really do think that there is an "Illuminati", although, they do not refer to themselves as the Illuminati. The "sacred geometry" and the symbolism that is so prevalent in Washington DC, London, Rome, etc is enough to convince me that some sort of strong occult belief system underlies the behavior of those in power...that dates back to the birth of this nation, and before. Not to mention, the undeniable synchronicity of dates, times, and events, and the whole obsession with numerology and astrology.

Jay said that Arden Delaware and Rose Valley, PA, both of which I'm familiar with, are Marquis of Hell colonies, in particular, Andras who is a Great Marquis of Hell, whatever that really means. The churches are located in the same building as the theaters. He also said Arden is a protected community, which may be true. There was a shooting there in February of this year. Supposedly two people died in Arden, yet it was blamed on drugs. The comments I read from the people who live in the community (obviously not part of the cult, if there is a cult) made it seem as if this happens on a regular basis, despite the fact that it represents itself as a utopia, which is quite believable to anyone strolling through the streets.. Also, I spoke to my neighbor who is a state policeman, and I brought up crime in Arden...he changed the subject as if he never heard me, and I know he did. I thought that was strange.

Iamwhomiam wrote:Interesting post, divideandconquer. Thank you for sharing.

I'd love to read the Lancaster woman's bit; would that be possible?

All I can tell you is that I heard her on the grassy knoll. I didn't listen to this youtube, but I think this is the interview.



Real or not, there's been 11 generations of intermarriages and offspring since its disbanding. Something to think about. Especially if real.[/quote]

FourthBase wrote:I briefly dated a woman whose father was almost 70 when she was born. We once joked that if his father and his father's father had also been that old when they were born, then her hypothetical great-grandfather could have born before the American Revolution. Something to think about, too.

Question about Parker: Are there any transcripts for his interviews? Any? Couldn't find any.

I don't think there are any transcripts. It appears he came out very recently. I know he spoke in Philadelphia in 2011, but did all of these personal interviews within the last month or so. He said the reason he's spilling the beans is because he wants to reach other rank and file "Illuminati" who have been through the same torture and brainwashing. In 1999, he went to Arden and confronted them. He said he was warned to keep his mouth shut, and then they wished him luck.

My notes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_Valley,_Pennsylvania
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arden,_Delaware

Both are named as "Satanic Cultist" founded towns, a notion I don't ridicule offhand. Evidence for Dark, Fucked-Up Shit going down in PA from an early point in cracker US history is not problematic to me; and it also makes strategic, imperative sense they'd want to leave Philly. (Salo comes to mind.)

Jay mentions the center of the cult in question's attention as "Andres" / "Andriss" - "the Marquis of Hell" -- I am familiar from goetia trolling and Solomon sulking with the phrase "Grand Marquis of Hell" but seem to recall there was a rotating cast thereof. Would appreciate any pointers on spelling / background.

Jay claims there are +1000 sacrifices buried in each town. I would be interested in his numbers on how many participants are involved -- I have seen firsthand what even a group of 5 debased mammals can accomplish, and I shudder to contemplate anything more than 3 generations deep.

I have serious, deep, powerful doubts about people who claim specific, nuanced memories from the first year of their life. I don't believe you right now, Jay.

If Arden, DE is the home of a whole town of protected mass murderers I wonder if I'd even expect to see evidential proof, knowing what I do about how little LEO's care about marginalized mammals. Still, I'm curious now about the locale and the local missing persons roll call. Sadly, "protected mass murderers" smells like a claim with a lot more potential for corroborating evidence than "protected pedophiles."

Delaware state gov being under the control of the DuPont family is the single least problematic claim in the entire video. His characterization of the DuPont family as "Satanic" is even hard to question, they've had a footprint in Vermont and the NEK is full of hippies, activists and even disillusioned lawyers who know the DuPoint crime syndicate inside out. I was raised on that, and have always wondered why "conspiracy theory" is so John Birch focused on the Rothschilds & Rockefellers.

Gross as it is, elite financial support for low-level snuff p*** squares with the Nihoul/X material and some Saudis I've talked too much with. Jay is at least plausible here.

Arden, DE as "90% Satanist" sounds like something that's verifiable and worth investigating. Even if that number is closer to 50% that's massive, utterly massive, and needs to be followed up on because it's a rare verifiable angle available to external spectators like myself.

"Normalacy" was a very interesting verbal typo.

Why would mind control cultists teach their children "a true history?" Probably because it was a lie. I'm baffled by the fact Jay would be simultaneously questioning the myth he was given, and relating the reality of the myth he was given. It's a realistic trait of mind-fucking, in my own limited experience.

"Claims she as a Malakite" / "Malacite" - any guesses on the provenance of that phrase?

JFK stuff is not outside the realm of, but still a dubious point. If I ran a mind control cult, I'd be taking credit for everything that happened on their TV's.

Right at the end, he shouts out James Shelby Downard and gets cut off....

I feel bad for people who have suffered real SRA/ritual/mind control abuse as the only ones willing to give them a platform are a lot of conspiracy quacks who have no discernment from conspiratainment and reality.

Here's a big clue to things: There is no group called "The Illuminati". If there are black lodges of black brotherhoods, they have their own names, perhaps even unspoken. Do we not see conspiracy researchers cover the real deal because it's too frightening? So they have to dip from the "Vatican/Illuminati/Black Pope/etc" fiction well?

divideandconquer wrote:At the same time, I really do think that there is an "Illuminati", although, they do not refer to themselves as the Illuminati. The "sacred geometry" and the symbolism that is so prevalent in Washington DC, London, Rome, etc is enough to convince me that some sort of strong occult belief system underlies the behavior of those in power...that dates back to the birth of this nation, and before. Not to mention, the undeniable synchronicity of dates, times, and events, and the whole obsession with numerology and astrology.

Right, but this Dan Brown popspiratainment "Illuminati" is on par with Elvis is alive and pentagon missiles. We're woven this great tale of "Monarch" pop stars, Michael Aquino in the 80's, and all of this stuff..Geraldo meets Morton Downey Jr level "satanic panic"...but we all know there was truth in there, somewhere. Meaning I have no doubt there are American inter generational LOCAL ritual cults. but they may not be connected at all to some grand global agenda or anything political. as well it also seems like the real sick shit is in Europe as well. Perhaps in Scotland, Belgium, Germany, the Netherlands and elsewhere. I suspect these 'groups' may involve at some level youth attracted by the fringe occultism, sex and drugs.
I think the reason why the goofy "Illuminati"(the Bavarian Illuminati didnt seem very occultic at all nor even all too evil) meme is thrown around is the reason why para-political researchers feel more free to discuss 9/11 physical anomalies than say; Franklin. Franklin just feels dangerous and off limits.

Wombaticus Rex wrote:My notes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_Valley,_Pennsylvania
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arden,_Delaware

Both are named as "Satanic Cultist" founded towns, a notion I don't ridicule offhand. Evidence for Dark, Fucked-Up Shit going down in PA from an early point in cracker US history is not problematic to me; and it also makes strategic, imperative sense they'd want to leave Philly. (Salo comes to mind.)

Jay mentions the center of the cult in question's attention as "Andres" / "Andriss" - "the Marquis of Hell" -- I am familiar from goetia trolling and Solomon sulking with the phrase "Grand Marquis of Hell" but seem to recall there was a rotating cast thereof. Would appreciate any pointers on spelling / background.

Jay claims there are +1000 sacrifices buried in each town. I would be interested in his numbers on how many participants are involved -- I have seen firsthand what even a group of 5 debased mammals can accomplish, and I shudder to contemplate anything more than 3 generations deep.

I have serious, deep, powerful doubts about people who claim specific, nuanced memories from the first year of their life. I don't believe you right now, Jay.

I really questioned that too. Although, if he was lying one would think he would make the story more believable. Perhaps, from what he's learned, he's convinced himself of the memory. For instance, I'm not sure if my first memory is real, or if I concocted it from what I've heard. Or perhaps that kind of profound trauma creates an extraordinarily vivid memory.

If Arden, DE is the home of a whole town of protected mass murderers I wonder if I'd even expect to see evidential proof, knowing what I do about how little LEO's care about marginalized mammals. Still, I'm curious now about the locale and the local missing persons roll call. Sadly, "protected mass murderers" smells like a claim with a lot more potential for corroborating evidence than "protected pedophiles."

Delaware state gov being under the control of the DuPont family is the single least problematic claim in the entire video. His characterization of the DuPont family as "Satanic" is even hard to question, they've had a footprint in Vermont and the NEK is full of hippies, activists and even disillusioned lawyers who know the DuPoint crime syndicate inside out. I was raised on that, and have always wondered why "conspiracy theory" is so John Birch focused on the Rothschilds & Rockefellers.

Gross as it is, elite financial support for low-level snuff p*** squares with the Nihoul/X material and some Saudis I've talked too much with. Jay is at least plausible here.

Arden, DE as "90% Satanist" sounds like something that's verifiable and worth investigating. Even if that number is closer to 50% that's massive, utterly massive, and needs to be followed up on because it's a rare verifiable angle available to external spectators like myself.

90% sounds very high, and I can't see how he would know that, as he was only a child when he lived there, 1959-1971. That is, unless his mother told him.

Right at the end, he shouts out James Shelby Downard and gets cut off....

I must've missed that...which video?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andras#Marquis_Andras

it doesn't say how many hit points he has though

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FYI, Rose Valley is directly west of Nether Providence Township

justdrew wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andras#Marquis_Andras

i was just about to say that when i lost my internet.

and by the way, Lotta slander directed at the PA sites that doesn't seem well founded.

Interestingly it just so happens, the thunderbird lodge in rose valley, was once the home of one of the founders of the ACLU.

Charles H. Stephens (1855?-1931) was an instructor at the Pennsylvania Academy of the Fine Arts in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, and a painter of Native American subjects. He had lived among the Blackfeet, and amassed an extensive collection of artifacts. The fireplace that Price designed for his studio is in the silhouette of a Thunderbird, a symbol that also appears on the building's exterior in Henry Mercer’s Moravian tiles. Alice Barber Stephens (1858-1932) [see some of her work here ] was a highly successful illustrator for magazines and children's books. They raised their son, D. Owen Stephens (1894-1937) in Rose Valley, and painted there until their deaths.

Thunderbird Lodge then became the home of a leading social activist couple, Allen Seymour and Mildred Scott Olmsted. He was a lawyer, a member of the Men's Commission for Women's Suffrage, and helped in the founding of the American Civil Liberties Union. She worked with the American Birth Control League and was the longtime director of the U.S. section of the Women's International League for Peace and Freedom. Together they worked with the American Friends Service Committee, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, and many other liberal organizations. The house was used as a safe meeting place for other activists, including Jane Addams, James Farmer, George Washington Carver, and Martin Luther King, Jr.

so yeah, it just so happens that this guy's stories simply piggyback on already established 'canon' and are situated in locations that would correspond with a location highly selective for "rightwing christian spiritual warfare" as a location associated with all sorts of foundational history of things they love to hate.

frankly it sounds like a really nice place... Good people who put fine progressive ideas into practice.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_Valley,_Pennsylvania

Rose Valley is a small, historic borough in Delaware County, Pennsylvania, United States. Its area is 0.7 square miles (1.8 km2) and the population was 944 at the 2000 census. It was settled by Quaker farmers in 1682, and later water mills along Ridley Creek drove manufacturing in the nineteenth century. In 1901 Rose Valley was founded as an Arts and Crafts community by architect Will Price, who bought 80 acres (320,000 m2) of land around the former Rose Valley textile mill. Price, a follower of the Henry George's economics was also a co-founder of Arden, Delaware, where he tried to create a single-tax utopian community. Nevertheless the single-tax ideal was never implemented in Rose Valley and crafts works soon foundered, leaving a legacy of impressive architecture, a preserved landscape, and a regional theatre, the Hedgerow Theatre (founded in 1923), as well as an artistic community that includes writers, painters, and architects. As a former mayor said, "Rose Valley is an island of non-conformity." The Rose Valley Historic District, covering essentially all of the borough, was listed on the National Register of Historic Places in 2010.

Georgism is an economic philosophy and ideology which holds that people own what they create, but that things found in nature, most importantly land, belong equally to all. The Georgist philosophy is based on the writings of the economist Henry George (1839–1897), and is usually associated with the idea of a single tax on the value of land.

Georgists argue that a tax on land value is economically efficient, fair, and equitable; and that it can generate sufficient revenue so that other taxes (e.g. taxes on profits, sales or income), which are less fair and efficient, can be reduced or eliminated. A tax on land value has been described by many as a progressive tax, since it would be paid primarily by the wealthy, and would reduce economic inequality.

So considering Rose Valley got to be a National Register of Historic Places area just in 2010, I just wonder if there might not be a few people left with pissypants syndrome because they didn't get to sell their familial land into cheap-ass condos or to walmart, etc?

8bitagent wrote:I feel bad for people who have suffered real SRA/ritual/mind control abuse as the only ones willing to give them a platform are a lot of conspiracy quacks who have no discernment from conspiratainment and reality.

Here's a big clue to things: There is no group called "The Illuminati". If there are black lodges of black brotherhoods, they have their own names, perhaps even unspoken. Do we not see conspiracy researchers cover the real deal because it's too frightening? So they have to dip from the "Vatican/Illuminati/Black Pope/etc" fiction well?

Right on.



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