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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby JackRiddler » Mon May 14, 2018 5:35 pm

Grizzly » Fri Aug 05, 2016 8:02 pm wrote:Anybody still got Snowden's insurance file?


Yes, everyone does. "HistoryInsurance" was an archive of all of the State Department SIPRNET cables. Nothing more. During the huge to-do as these were first being released starting in 2010, the full archive was encrypted and sent out to the world to assure that if something untoward happened to disrupt the gradual, curated release of the files, the whole pile would be made public.

A few months later this moron from The Guardian went and released the full password in his own published book, in an attempt to make narrative hay of how Assange told it to him. (It's something like Adiplomatichistoryoffascinatingblahblahsince1947, or the like.) And then everyone including him tried to blame Assange, even though this was published in the Guardian guy's own book and it was from that moment that the world had and used the password. Anyway, this is why the full State Department cables are available online.

BS, I can't believe you were playing the "he's still alive" card against Snowden. I mean seriously. Or the "he's too smooth." Both very unfair devices without serious backing & framing.
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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby Belligerent Savant » Mon May 14, 2018 5:49 pm

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JR: you're right -- at the moment, it's more 'intuition', not much 'rigor'.
I'd like to be wrong about it, but the patterns indicate otherwise.

In and of itself, a movie production glamorizing his 'rise to stardom' -- while he remains very much alive and ostensibly in perpetual danger -- is typically viable cause for pause.

The movie industry has been bankrolled by intel agencies for some time, after all (stating the obvious). O. Stone's output, over the past 20 years in particular, point in the direction of 'asset' as well.

Corroborating evidence will be required however --- speculation alone is not useful.
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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon May 14, 2018 5:54 pm

Sebastian Schinzel


We'll publish critical vulnerabilities in PGP/GPG and S/MIME email encryption on 2018-05-15 07:00 UTC. They might reveal the plaintext of encrypted emails, including encrypted emails sent in the past. #efail 1/4




PGP: ENCRYPTION PROGRAM USED BY EDWARD SNOWDEN 'CAN LEAK SECRET MESSAGES'
BY JASON MURDOCK ON 5/14/18 AT 4:35 AM

The cybersecurity community is bracing for impact after a team of researchers revealed on Sunday that critical vulnerabilities in the encrypted email program PGP (Pretty Good Privacy) could be exploited to expose secret messages in plain text.

Sebastian Schinzel, professor of computer security at Germany’s Münster University of Applied Sciences, alongside a team of eight researchers, revealed on Twitter that there are currently no stable fixes for the issues and said the service should not be used until a patch is released. The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), a digital liberties campaign group, released guides on how to temporarily disable PGP plug-ins in three email clients.

“We'll publish critical vulnerabilities in PGP/GPG and S/MIME email encryption on 2018-05-15 07:00 UTC. They might reveal the plaintext of encrypted emails, including encrypted emails sent in the past,” Schinzel tweeted, sparking immediate concern from users.

“There are currently no reliable fixes for the vulnerability. If you use PGP/GPG or S/MIME for very sensitive communication, you should disable it in your email client for now,” he added.
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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby JackRiddler » Mon May 14, 2018 10:49 pm

Belligerent Savant » Mon May 14, 2018 4:49 pm wrote:.

JR: you're right -- at the moment, it's more 'intuition', not much 'rigor'.
I'd like to be wrong about it, but the patterns indicate otherwise.

In and of itself, a movie production glamorizing his 'rise to stardom' -- while he remains very much alive and ostensibly in perpetual danger -- is typically viable cause for pause.

The movie industry has been bankrolled by intel agencies for some time, after all (stating the obvious). O. Stone's output, over the past 20 years in particular, point in the direction of 'asset' as well.

Corroborating evidence will be required however --- speculation alone is not useful.


Can't agree. Snowden's not in perpetual danger - he's a secure, tolerated hostage of the Russian state, thanks to the State Department canceling his passport as he arrived in Moscow. Win-Win for both former superpowers, you know of course what the CIA-worshipping Democrats say about it. Like Assange is now a hostage of Lenin's Ecuador, for the moment, and the UK, for a day after he's out until they hand him over to the CIA/"Justice Department." Stone's not an asset to me at all, I loved his history of the U.S. series. He's enamored of Putin, obviously, but someone had to do that damn de-demonization interview. At this point, he's just an old guy who does some occasional good work. Did you see his award speech - not sure of the award... if that's "asset" winning credibility by saying the things about the MIC one is not allowed to say, then I guess Chomsky is an asset too.

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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby Belligerent Savant » Tue May 15, 2018 12:40 pm

^^^^^^^
This may be true -- we simply can't know with certainty one way or the other. It's certainly possible that Stone may be a 'soft' asset of sorts: largely unconstrained in pursuing his own political sensibilities, but occasionally assigned certain projects in furtherance of banal/mainstream narratives (see his films 'World Trade Center', or 'W.', as a couple recent examples, more so the former than the latter. I liked parts of W, but the script was based off CNN-news-coverage versions of events). His earlier film JFK opened a 'Pandora's Box' for a segment of the viewing public, inspiring many to re-examine the events of that day. Was he 'tapped on the shoulder' after making that film? We'll never know. Then again, propaganda-enfused storylines can simply be inserted via relatively mundane acts: executive producers or film consultants/advisors with intel agency backgrounds altering scripts, unbeknownst (or known but powerless to object) to the director.

My sentiment Re: Snowden is based on my default cynicism of our news cycle. It can be crudely summarized as follows: the more certain news items and/or events are made available -- or thrust -- into The Public's awareness field, the more scrutiny should be applied (Hollywood movies, HBO/cable TV mini-series, documentaries, TED conferences with Snowden as star attraction would certainly move the 'suspect needle' of such a hypothetical model into red territory). Conversely, political ideas or theories largely stifled and/or generally inaccessible to the average consumer of media ('generally inaccessible' in this day and age largely equates to: anything that can't be found within 3-4 mouse clicks) tends to pose greater challenge to status quo.

Further, if/when 'less accessible' content manages to gain traction and move beyond the fringes into greater exposure, a useful gauge for determining the 'purity' of the content is to observe actions taken by establishment entities to discredit, silence and/or stifle the messenger (see Gary Webb as a prime example).

When afforded with more downtime, I may dedicate more time to this premise, and corroborate the above with more substance.

For now, however:

Stone's acceptance speech at the 2017 Writers Guild Awards, which you alluded to in your reply, is worthy of reproducing here:

After being introduced by James Wood, Stone told reminded filmmakers that “you can be critical of your government and your society.”

“You don’t have to fit in,” the Oscar-winner went on. “It’s fashionable now to take shots at Republicans and Trump and avoid the Obamas and Clintons. But remember this: In the 13 wars we’ve started over the last 30 years and the $14 trillion we’ve spent, and the hundreds of thousands of lives that have perished from this earth, remember that it wasn’t one leader, but a system, both Republican and Democrat. Call it what you will: the military industrial money media security complex. It’s a system that has been perpetuated under the guise that these are just wars justifiable in the name of our flag that flies so proudly.”

Stone continued that our “country has become more prosperous for many but in the name of that wealth we cannot justify our system as a center for the world’s values. But we continue to create such chaos and wars. No need to go through the victims, but we know we’ve intervened in more than 100 countries with invasion, regime change, economic chaos. Or hired war. It’s war of some kind. In the end, it’s become a system leading to the death of this planet and the extinction of us all.”

He concluded with advice based on his own experiences. “I’ve fought these people who practice war for most of my life. It’s a tiring game. And mostly you’ll get your a– kicked. With all the criticism and insults you’ll receive, and the flattery too, it’s important to remember, if you believe in what you’re saying and you can stay the course, you can make a difference,” he said.

“I urge you to find a way to remain alone with yourself, listen to your silences, not always in a writer’s room. Try to find not what the crowd wants so you can be successful, but try instead to find the true inner meaning of your life here on earth, and never give up on your heart in your struggle for peace, decency, and telling the truth.”


And with respect to Chomsky: some have labeled him a 'gatekeeper' in the past for his views on 9/11 -- I imagine there's historical content within RI along those lines -- though of course it doesn't prove (or disprove) 'asset' status. Anyone is capable of blind spots. Stone and Chomsky are no exceptions. Perhaps that's all it is: the complexities and occasionally conflicting points of view inherent to the human experience, and the disparate interpretations of day-to-day observable reality.

Or perhaps much of what's presented to us -- at least whenever projected from a medium for the purpose of mass consumption -- is manipulated, at least in part, to the benefit of the very few.

(these scenarios are not mutually exclusive)
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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Oct 04, 2018 4:27 pm

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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Oct 04, 2018 5:24 pm

Edward Snowden, NSA leaker, questions 'Presidential Alert' test: 'How else might it be used?'

By Andrew Blake - The Washington Times - Thursday, October 4, 2018

Edward Snowden, the former National Security Agency contractor responsible for leaking evidence of the U.S. government’s vast surveillance abilities, has scrutinized the nationwide “Presidential Alert” test that sent messages to millions of cellphones Wednesday.
Mr. Snowden took to Twitter following the Trump administration’s inaugural test of the “Presidential Alert” feature to raise questions involving the government’s ability to simultaneously reach most of the United States.
“All our lives dangle at the end of a wire. Ask yourself: who controls it? How else might it be used?” Mr. Snowden wrote to his 3.8 million Twitter followers.
“The same centralized infrastructure that lets them send something to everyone enables them to read anything from anyone,” Mr. Snowden said in a second tweet linking to a 2016 article on “Upstream,” a classified NSA surveillance program exposed by documents he leaked in 2013.
Mr. Snowden’s remarks came moments after cellphones connected to the nation’s largest wireless networks received a mock alert meant to test the operational readiness of the previously untested “Presidential Alert” feature — a notification akin to missing children alerts and severe weather warnings sent through the government’s existing Wireless Emergency Alerts (WEA) system, but dissimilar in the sense that they are mandatory since cellphone users cannot opt-out from receiving them.
Around 75 percent of the nation’s cellphones were expected to display the alert, FEMA said previously, putting Wednesday’s test message on the phones of potentially hundreds of millions of mobile devices. FEMA has not responded with the latest figures.
Neither the WEA system system nor the Emergency Alert System (EAS) used to broadcast similar alerts over television and radio collect any sort of data, a FEMA spokesperson told The Washington Times when asked to comment on Mr. Snowden’s remarks
“There is no database of cellphone numbers,” said the FEMA spokesperson. “WEA messages are broadcasted to phones that have a signal from a cell phone tower.”
“NSA conducts its foreign signals intelligence mission under the legal authorities established by the Constitution and Congress and is bound by both policy and law to protect U.S. persons’ privacy and civil liberties,” an NSA media relations officer said in response to a similar inquiry. “NSA’s collection activities pursuant to these authorities are subject to ongoing, extensive oversight by all three branches of government, and in the interest of transparency, the Government has declassified and publicly released thousands of pages of materials pertaining to its collection activities in recent years.”
Representatives for the FCC did not immediately comment.
Mr. Snowden, 35, had his passport revoked while traveling internationally on the heels of disclosing classified NSA documents in 2013. He was subsequently stranded at an airport near Moscow for several weeks prior to ultimately being granted asylum by Russian President Vladimir Putin. Mr. Snowden has resided in the region ever since, notwithstanding outstanding charges filed by U.S. federal prosecutors in relation to the leaks.
“Upstream,” according to the article Mr. Snowden shared, involved the NSA’s bulk collection of emails, chats and internet traffic of U.S. persons as their data traveled abroad.
“Because of how it operates, Upstream surveillance represents a new surveillance paradigm, one in which computers constantly scan our communications for information of interest to the government,” the article said.


https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... dential-a/


New Yorkers sue over new Presidential Alert system


Recipients of the test message of the new Presidential Alert system heard a tone and vibration before receiving a message that reads "THIS IS A TEST of the National Wireless Emergency Alert System." Photo courtesy of FEMA
Oct. 4 (UPI) -- Three New Yorkers have filed suit against President Donald Trump and the head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, seeking to halt Presidential Alert notifications.

"Plaintiffs are American citizens who do not wish to receive text messages, or messages of any kind, on any top or subject, from defendant Trump," the lawsuit reads. Trump's "rise to power was faciliated by weaponized disinformation that he broadcast into the public information sphere via Twitter in addition to traditional mass media."

A test message for the new alert system went out at 2:18 p.m. Wednesday.

They system sends messages to mobile devices in the United States in a format similar to Amber Alerts for missing children and weather alerts. The new alerts are mandatory and cannot be turned off.

The suit, which names Trump and FEMA administrator Brock Long, was filed Sept. 26 in the Southern District Court of New York. It seeks to halt the system.

Edward Snowden, a former U.S. defense contractor who leaked information about the National Security Agency's spying methods, warned the public on Twitter about the new alerts.

"The same centralized infrastructure that lets them send something to everyone enables them to read anything from anyone," Snowden said.

He linked to 2016 article that warned of the {link:NSA's surveillance capabilities. : "https://www.justsecurity.org/33044/unprecedented-unlawful-nsas-upstream-surveillance/" target="_blank"}

"Upstream surveillance represents a new surveillance paradigm, one in which computers constantly scan our communications for information of interest to the government," the article states. "As the legislative debate gets underway, it's critical to frame the technological and legal issues that Congress and the public must consider -- and to examine far more closely the less intrusive alternatives available to the government."

The alert went to millions of Americans but some reported not getting it. Mobile devices in airplane mode or that were turned off wouldn't get notifications. Also phones that WEA compatible didn't get it. And some carriers don't participate.

"A very important reason to test, and why we initiated it to test locally, state-level, and then ultimately testing at the presidential level is to discover the actual results versus what should happen theoretically," said David Simpson, former chief of the FCC's Public Safety and Homeland Security Bureau.

The message was sent via the FEMA Integrated Public Alert and Warning System to the wireless carriers, who distributed it to their customers.
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2018/10 ... 538658875/



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EXCLUSIVE: The Freedom of the Press Foundation has routed half a million dollars to WikiLeaks. But Julian Assange’s embrace of Trump split the group’s board, which includes Edward Snowden, and now it’s on the verge of a major break

The free press group’s impending split with Assange is a microcosm of a broader anxiety over him amongst his erstwhile allies, now that WikiLeaks has made common cause with extreme right-wing forces, principally Trump and Putin
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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:33 pm

1. YIKES
AN HOUR AGO

Laura Poitras ‘Sickened’ By Layoffs at The Intercept


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Laura Poitras—the Citizenfour director and award-winning filmmaker who helped start The Intercept's parent company First Look Media—lashed out Wednesday after layoffs were announced internally at the publication, according to emails obtained by The Daily Beast. “I am sickened by your decision to eliminate the research team, which has been the beating heart of the newsroom since First Look Media was founded, and has overseen the protection of the [NSA leaker Edward] Snowden archive,” she wrote. “I am also sickened by your joint decision to shut down the Snowden archive, which I was informed of only yesterday—a decision made without consulting me or the board of directors.” Poitras also called the email announcing the layoffs from CEO of First Look Media, Michael Bloom, an “attempt to paper over these firings” and claimed it was “not appropriate” for such “devastating news.” Bloom's email announced that First Look Media would be letting go about 4 percent of their staff. “We don’t take these decisions lightly, but as an important step to better align ourselves operationally for the future,” he wrote.
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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby alloneword » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:17 am

NYT report (4/3/19): Disputed N.S.A. Phone Program Is Shut Down, Aide Says

WASHINGTON — The National Security Agency has quietly shut down a system that analyzes logs of Americans’ domestic calls and texts, according to a senior Republican congressional aide, halting a program that has touched off disputes about privacy and the rule of law since the Sept. 11 attacks.

The agency has not used the system in months, and the Trump administration might not ask Congress to renew its legal authority, which is set to expire at the end of the year, according to the aide, Luke Murry, the House minority leader’s national security adviser.


Interesting what Tice and Drake (both NSA whistleblowers) have to say, compared to Snowden:

On Twitter Snowden hailed the news as a “victory”, while Intercept journalist Glen Greenwald, who broke the Snowden story to international acclaim, took the story at face value. Neither of them raised the obvious question — is the “shut down” of this program merely a smokescreen to continue spying on American phones under new or different secretive programs?


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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:54 am

Yes thank you I posted about that in my Criminal NSA thread a couple weeks ago...




The Intercept Shuts Down Access to Snowden Trove
First Look Media, the company that owns the Intercept, also announced that it was laying off several of the researchers who had been charged with maintaining the documents.
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First Look Media announced on Wednesday that it was shutting down access to whistleblower Edward Snowden’s massive trove of leaked NSA documents.

Over the past several years, The Intercept, which is owned by First Look Media, has maintained a research team to handle the large number of documents provided by Snowden to Intercept journalists Laura Poitras and Glenn Greenwald.


But in an email to staff on Wednesday evening, First Look CEO Michael Bloom said that as other major news outlets had “ceased reporting on it years ago,” the Intercept had decided to “focus on other editorial priorities” after expending five years combing through the archive.

“The Intercept is proud of its reporting on the Snowden archive, and we are thankful to Laura Poitras and Glenn Greenwald for making it available to us,” Bloom wrote.

He added: “It is our hope that Glenn and Laura are able to find a new partner — such as an academic institution or research facility — that will continue to report on and publish the documents in the archive consistent with the public interest.”

First Look Media’s decision to shut down the archives puts an end to the company’s original vision of using The Intercept as a means to report on the NSA documents. In its original mission statement, Poitras, Greenwald, and Jeremy Scahill wrote that the initial mission of the site was, in the short-term, to “provide a platform and an editorial structure in which to aggressively report on the disclosures provided to us by our source, NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden.”

Wednesday’s decision — coupled with an announcement that First Look would lay off 4% of its staff — was not received well by many Intercept staffers, including Poitras.


In a series of internal memos, Poitras admonished First Look Media for its decision to shut down it’s archives, and lay off several researchers who had maintained them.

In a note to the First Look board of directors obtained by The Daily Beast, Poitras called on the board to review the decision to eliminate the archives, and criticized the company’s decision to keep her in the dark about their plans until this week.

“This decision and the way it was handled would be a disservice to our source, the risks we’ve all taken, and most importantly, to the public for whom Edward Snowden blew the whistle,” she wrote.

In a separate memo to Bloom that was sent to many of the company’s staffers, Poitras wrote that she was “sickened” by the decision to eliminate the research team and “shut down” the Snowden archive.

“Your email’s attempt to paper over these firings is not appropriate when the company is presented with such devastating news,” she said.

Late Thursday evening, Greenwald tweeted that both he and Poitras had full copies of the archives, and had been searching for a partner to continue research.

EMBED: https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1 ... 43648?s=21

Over the past several years, the Intercept has published several majors stories based on information in the archives, which include millions of files, many of which include sensitive internal US national security secrets and trade practices. Other major media companies also have access to large portions of the archive, which yielded Pulitzer prize-winning scoops for The Guardian and the Washington Post.

In a 2016 post, Greenwald laid out the site’s vision for how best to report on materials in the archive.

“From the time began reporting on the archive provided to us in Hong Kong by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden, we sought to fulfill his two principal requests for how the materials should be handled: that they be released in conjunction with careful reporting that puts the documents in context and makes them digestible to the public, and that the welfare and reputations of innocent people be safeguarded,” Greenwald wrote in a 2016 post.

“As time has gone on, The Intercept has sought out new ways to get documents from the archive into the hands of the public, consistent with the public interest as originally conceived.”
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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby JackRiddler » Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:05 pm

JackRiddler » Mon May 14, 2018 4:35 pm wrote:
Grizzly » Fri Aug 05, 2016 8:02 pm wrote:Anybody still got Snowden's insurance file?


Yes, everyone does. "HistoryInsurance" was an archive of all of the State Department SIPRNET cables. Nothing more.


Noticed this and must correct my misunderstanding: oops oops oops. Sorry!

You said "insurance" and my mind jumped straight to the Assange "History Insurance" file (which had contained, as I described, the SIPRNET State Dept cables copied by Manning and leaked to Wikileaks. The full store is still searcheable in on the Wikileaks site.) So I explained that correctly, except I was literally blind to the very phrase I quoted from you, in which you said "Snowden insurance," Thus I was answering a different question than the one you asked.

Unlike Manning's leaks, the Snowden files were never distributed in a password protected "insurance" version. But probably you just meant to ask what happened to the Snowden files, as in all of them.

The Snowden files have never been published in full. A fraction of the whole has been published (I do not know the current figure, it may still be around 2% or it may be higher now). The whole store is under the management of Greenwald and Poitras, not The Intercept or afaik Omidyar. Before there was an Intercept, when the story first broke in 2013, they gave access to various news outlets, and that is when you had the high-impact revelations about the NSA surveillance programs that at least are still issue enough to get Congressional votes against them and to force the "end" of the program. (Yeah, right. Probably in the same way the release of a V3.0 means the "end" of V2.0.) The news outlets thus presumably have seen a lot more than has been published, but less than the whole archive. This is how the WaPo got that three-way Pulitzer with The Guardian and Greenwald: thanks to Snowden, before they declared him an enemy. I don't know if anyone other than G&P have seen the whole thing.

Now The Intercept (with Poitras dissenting and cut out of meetings!) has ceased hosting the published portion of the Snowden files on their site. Read about it in the post just above this one. So they're giving confirmation to those who have blasted them for gatekeeping the Snowden files (as well as accused them of being a front, which I have argued against, at least in simplistic versions; there are reasons to suspect several authors there, such as the one who burned Reality Winner). Their path continues to a conventional news site with still some good investigative content, one that publishes Risen's Russia Panic stories alongside Greenwald's deconstructions of same.

In short, it's supposedly Greenwald and Poitras who have the control over the Snowden files as always since 2013. Snowden says he gave everything to them and destroyed his copies. G&P should find a goddamn host and see to it that releases keep coming. I don't see how The Intercept can't "afford" to host the (published) Snowden files. Hosting has gotten pretty cheap, all of you may have noticed. It may also be a question of... insurance. In the conventional sense, as in associated potential liabilities and who wants to cover for that. There's surely more to the story of this hot potato -- whose fingers find it most unbearable is the question. Probably we will hear from Poitras or Snowden soon enough, for additional clues.

Sorry again Grizzly about my mistake back in... last May! eep!

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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby alloneword » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:49 pm

JackRiddler » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:05 pm wrote:So they're giving confirmation to those who have blasted them for gatekeeping the Snowden files.


Have and continue to: https://twitter.com/_cryptome_/status/1 ... 6023730177

To be fair, Cryptome's (John Young and Deborah Natsios) criticism is a little more nuanced than attacking just the 'gatekeeping' aspect... (full - 2016 - interview, as original links are now dead):

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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby Grizzly » Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:35 pm

^^^ Good catch, Thanks.
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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:58 am


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-5KFP-BKr8

Exclusive: Edward Snowden on global mass surveillance
09/09/2019 - 11:05

"We have seen changes in the laws in the United States and in other countries around the world as well, to try to legitimise the surveillance by putting it on a sounder legal footing," Snowden told FRANCE 24’s Valériane Gauthier.

"The government is still spying on basically everyone they want to and on a pretty extreme scale, but now we have a little more involvement by judges. It is an advance, but of course it’s nowhere near enough."

Snowden said although he doesn’t expect to get a fair trial in the United States, he feels that the tide of opinion has turned in his favour.

"What we see now is bit by bit… we see ordinary people coming to a consensus that even if they don’t like me personally… on balance, we are better off for knowing what our government was doing in secret. This has not risked lives, this has saved lives," he concluded.

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Snowden names conditions for his return to the US
10:55 / 13.09.2019

Photo: Friso Gentsch / DPA / AP
Snowden said he would come back to the US for trial, but only if he could tell a jury why he leaked the information to journalists.

In a new interview, the ex-NSA employee explained why he chose not to cooperate with Russia and why, in his opinion, Moscow helps him with asylum.

Snowden said he would come back to the US for trial, but only if he could tell a jury why he leaked the information to journalists. And if he was assured that the jury could see the classified material he leaked — to assess for itself whether he did the right thing.

"You can't have a fair trial about the disclosure of information unless the jury can evaluate whether it was right or wrong to reveal this information," he said. By coming back for only "sentencing”, he wouldn't be setting the right example for others who might be in a similar situation.

Snowden also told that Russian intelligence wanted him to cooperate, yet he insists that he rejected the offer. He pointed to the fact that he was "trapped" at the airport for 40 days upon arrival in the country. "If I had played ball, I would have left on Day 1 in a limo; I would have been living in a palace; you would have seen them giving me parades in Red Square."
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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby Belligerent Savant » Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:36 am

alloneword » Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:49 pm wrote:
JackRiddler » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:05 pm wrote:So they're giving confirmation to those who have blasted them for gatekeeping the Snowden files.


Have and continue to: https://twitter.com/_cryptome_/status/1 ... 6023730177

To be fair, Cryptome's (John Young and Deborah Natsios) criticism is a little more nuanced than attacking just the 'gatekeeping' aspect... (full - 2016 - interview, as original links are now dead):



Some interesting commentary from that interview link. It corroborates some of my... suspicions.



In the 18th minute, they issue a scathing rebuke of “celebrity” journalism as practiced, in their opinion, by The Intercept, the publication owned by Pierre Omidyar’s First Look Media. The interview is worth hearing in its entirety, and I urge anyone who’s had questions and concerns about Edward Snowden and his relationship to The Intercept’s founding editors, Glenn Greenwald, Jeremy Scahill and Laura Poitras, to listen to it and carefully consider their arguments.

Why? Because Cryptome raises serious questions that nobody else on the left or in the media want to talk about, including how Omidar has created a business from Snowden’s cache; what exactly Snowden may have been doing while he was working for the CIA prior to his time at NSA (and what else he may have been doing at NSA itself); and why Snowden and The Intercept continue to proselytize for Tor, the anonymization tool, despite its massive funding from the U.S. government, the Pentagon and the national security state.

One of the most amazing moments comes when the host, Pit Shultz, grows nervous about how his questions are being answered.

...

Cryptome’s critique, as expressed in the interview, is not new. Ever since Greenwald first wrote about Snowden’s documents in The Guardian in 2013, the organization has been keeping careful track of the glacial pace of the documents’ release and The Intercept’s almost-total control over the cache. Their latest tally, posted this week, is 6,318 pages of what The Guardian first reported as 58,000 files.

From the start, Young and Natsios made it clear that they strongly disapprove of the fact that this cache has not been made widely available to the public and posted for all to see – as they have done with the tens of thousands of intelligence files they have released since the late 1990s (and as Daniel Ellsberg did with the Pentagon Papers).

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...the conversation pivots to a discussion about Snowden’s role as a spy. Young mentions Snowden’s experience before NSA in Hawaii as a counter-intelligence operative for the CIA.

Shultz: [At the conference there was mention of] Snowden as a hero for civil rights. But it was not mentioned he was a spy. How can you trust a spy?

Young: You cannot. You cannot trust anyone with a security clearance…They have to lie to you. It’s not a glorious role, it’s a dirty role.

Young then returns to The Intercept’s relationship with Snowden. He mentions two journalists who came way before Greenwald & Co. and early on exposed the operations of the NSA overseas, Duncan Campbell and Nicky Hager.

Young: I don’t know why Snowden didn’t go to them instead of those assholes he went to. That’s a story that hasn’t been told. Why did he go to these technologically illiterate people to reveal this stuff to? Someone sold him a bill of goods. We don’t know who fed him into this group.

Shultz: So you’re critical about him spoon-feeding the mass media?

Natsios: It’s a second secret regime that’s been imposed by the media proxies. The assumption is there should be a media pathway to the public. Well, that could be a fallacy…If we’re to believe Snowden’s current media proxies and his testimony through them, he’s been extremely cautious and controlling about his release. He wants to have his cake and eat it too. He’s been extremely particular about what he wants to let go evidently and what he keeps in reserve. That’s his choice. But these are taxpayer-paid documents belonging in the public domain. What authority does he have to open the spigot where he is now controlling in a fairly doctrinaire and authoritarian way what happens to this trove, this cache?…

Young: Snowden says he gave them to the public; no, he didn’t. He gave them to a bunch of self-interested journalists who decided to run a certain story with it, i.e., to explain it to people. And their fucking explainers really have a problem.

Natsios: It’s a serious conflict of interest. They’ve written themselves into the story as heroes, co-heroes of the story. It’s a conflict of interest. They’re not at a distance from their source. They’ve embedded themselves in the narrative, and therefore all decisions are highly suspect because they benefit from the outcome of the narrative in every sense.

Young: They should go to people who can read the documents, not report on them. Reporting is not honesty. It is headline grabbing. It is hyper ventilation. And they call it reporting, when in fact it’s highly selective. This is criminal behavior. [Note: in that context, it’s rather amazing to see this tweet from Snowden himself chastising a Washington journalist for being directed in his reporting by a White House official – exactly what Snowden did with his stenographers].

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I passed part of this transcript by Bill Binney, the legendary NSA analyst who once was the Technical Director of NSA’s Operations Directorate. He is renowned for blowing the whistle on corporate corruption and illegal surveillance at the NSA, a story I documented in The Nation in 2013 (prior to Snowden’s appearance on the scene, I might add).

Binney, always the humorist, reminded me of a notorious statement made by Sam Visner, a senior NSA official, to a group of contractors a day after the 9/11 attacks: “We can milk this thing all the way to 2015.” Here’s Binney’s email to me about the arguments from Young and Natsios: “As Sam said, ‘we can milk this cow for 15 years.’ It’s just business.”

Cryptome puts it this way: “At Snowden's current rate it will take 20-620 years to free all documents.” That’s really milking it. So, yes, “money doesn’t talk, it swears.”


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