Edward Snowden, American Hero

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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby Elvis » Wed Apr 01, 2015 2:08 pm

I'm quite undecided about this, and tend to take Snowden at face value. BUT -- Rappaport's article is good, without even bringing up Snowden's 2009 chat forum posts:

< TheTrueHOOHA> Are they TRYING to start a war?
Jesus christ they're like wikileaks


< User19> they're just reporting, dude.

< TheTrueHOOHA> They're reporting classified shit

< User19> shrugs

< TheTrueHOOHA> about an unpopular country surrounded by enemies already engaged in a war
and about our interactions with said country regarding planning sovereignity violations of another country
you don't put that shit in the NEWSPAPER


< User19> meh

< TheTrueHOOHA> moreover, who the fuck are the anonymous sources telling them this?
< TheTrueHOOHA> those people should be shot in the balls.



< User19> is it unethical to report on the government's intrigue?

< TheTrueHOOHA> VIOLATING NATIONAL SECURITY? no

< User19> meh.
< User19> national security.

< TheTrueHOOHA> Um, YEEEEEEEEEEEES.
< TheTrueHOOHA> that shit is classified for a reason
< TheTrueHOOHA> it's not because "oh we hope our citizens don't find out"
< TheTrueHOOHA> it's because "this shit won't work if iran knows what we're doing."

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013 ... ame-one/2/

It's possible that Snowden was covering his real intentions, making a record of his (feigned) loyalty to the intel community, so as not to arouse suspicion. On the other hand...

:shrug:

Anyway, thanks, Nordic, for posting that.
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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby Sounder » Wed Apr 01, 2015 5:15 pm

In one sense, whether Snowden is a put up job or not is not the critical issue.

This may sound odd at first blush, but (even) the ptmb work to get 'sanction' for the things they intend to do.

Edward Snowden is talking about and bringing to a more common awareness, the notion that anyone can be a victim if targeted by the data retention wizards.

Is this something that the pseudo-elites and the common man will accept?


The NSA doesn’t just spy on private citizens. The NSA spies on politicians and bankers and corporate CEOs, and those people know it and they don’t like it, and they want to relieve themselves of that burden and that threat. They want to curb the power of the NSA as it applies to them.

They would welcome, as perhaps the CIA would, putting a crimp in NSA’s spying capabilities, limiting those capabilities in some way, at least giving NSA pause for thought about risking further exposure beyond Snowden’s disclosures.
All these things will continue as long as coercion remains a central element of our mentality.
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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby DrEvil » Wed Apr 01, 2015 6:33 pm

< TheTrueHOOHA> it's not because "oh we hope our citizens don't find out"
< TheTrueHOOHA> it's because "this shit won't work if iran knows what we're doing."


Snowden has said that he thinks there's such a thing as legitimate secrets, that's why he gave the documents to journalists instead of dumping them on Piratebay.
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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby conniption » Mon Apr 06, 2015 6:52 pm

Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Government Surveillance (HBO)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEVlyP4_11M
Last Week Tonight with John Oliver
Published on Apr 5, 2015

There are very few government checks on what America’s sweeping surveillance programs are capable of doing. John Oliver sits down with Edward Snowden to discuss the NSA, the balance between privacy and security, and dick-pics.
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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri May 08, 2015 7:19 am


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqSpu_edd9M


Was Edward Snowden right after all? Appeals court says yes


NSA mass phone surveillance revealed by Edward Snowden ruled illegal

Court Rules NSA Bulk Data Collection Was Never Authorized By Congress

AS AMERICANS WAIT for Congress to decide next month whether to renew the Patriot Act and the vast NSA metadata surveillance program it’s made possible, a panel of three appellate judges has made the decision on its own: The Patriot Act, they’ve now ruled, was never written to authorize the sort of sweeping surveillance the NSA interpreted it to allow.

The United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit ruled on Thursday that the bulk collection of Americans’ phone metadata by the NSA wasn’t in fact authorized by section 215 of the Patriot Act, as the intelligence community has argued since the program was first revealed in the leaks of Edward Snowden two years ago. The ruling doesn’t immediately halt the domestic phone records surveillance program. But if it’s not overturned by a higher court it could signal the program’s end—and it at least forces Congress to choose whether it wishes to explicitly authorize the program when the Patriot Act comes up for renewal on June 1st.

“We hold that the text of § 215 cannot bear the weight the government asks us to assign to it, and that it does not authorize the telephone metadata program,” the ruling reads. “We do so comfortably in the full understanding that if Congress chooses to authorize such a far-reaching and unprecedented program, it has every opportunity to do so, and to do so unambiguously. Until such time as it does so, however, we decline to deviate from widely accepted interpretations of well‐established legal standards.”

The ruling comes as the latest surprise development in a lawsuit from the American Civil Liberties Union against the Office of the Director of National Intelligence that immediately followed Edward Snowden’s revelations of the NSA’s mass domestic surveillance under the 215 section’s purported authorization. The lawsuit had been dismissed by a lower court in 2013, but the three appellate judges overruled decision.

Since it was first revealed, the 215 metadata surveillance program has been under attack from privacy advocates, and even the White House has said it’s exploring alternatives to the current system of collecting every American’s phone records. In a statement responding to the ruling, a spokesperson for the National Security Council writes that it’s already looking at a replacement for the program. “The President has been clear that he believes we should end the Section 215 bulk telephony metadata program as it currently exists by creating an alternative mechanism to preserve the program’s essential capabilities without the government holding the bulk data,” writes the NSC’s assistant press secretary Ned Price. “We continue to work closely with members of Congress from both parties to do just that.”

But the new court ruling will nonetheless have real significance for Congress’s upcoming decision as to whether and how to reform the Patriot Act. A reform bill known as the USA Freedom Act, which would limit the 215 metadata collection, has advanced in the House. But that bill has been opposed by Republicans.

Now, says Cato Institute privacy researcher Julian Sanchez, reform is almost inevitable. “This changes the calculus. You now have a federal appellate court saying that the statute in its current form does not authorize this program. If the program needs to continue, it may not be allowed under a straight reauthorization,” Sanchez says. “If your goal is to preserve this program, reform becomes the surest way to preserve some version of it.”

The judges point out that most members of Congress weren't even aware of the program.
In addition to questioning the program’s authorization, the ACLU has also argued that the program violated Americans’ fourth amendment rights to protection from warrantless search and seizure. But the judges were careful not to address that constitutional argument. Instead the court narrowed its ruling to state only that the hoovering up of every Americans’ phone metadata is beyond the scope of what the US Congress had in mind when it passed section 215 of the Patriot Act after September 11, 2001.

Despite its reluctance to rule the NSA’s metadata program unconstitutional, the ruling seems to recognize the invasive potential of a system that monitors who calls whom, rather than the content of those calls. “That telephone metadata do not directly reveal the content of telephone calls,” it reads, “does not vitiate the privacy concerns arising out of the government’s bulk collection of such data.”

A call to a single‐purpose telephone number such as a “hotline” might reveal that an individual is: a victim of domestic violence or rape; a veteran; suffering from an addiction of one type or another; contemplating suicide; or reporting a crime. Metadata can reveal civil, political, or religious affiliations; they can also reveal an individual’s social status, or whether and when he or she is involved in intimate relationships.

Even so, the ruling notes that such metadata isn’t owned by the individuals whose privacy is at stake. Instead, it’s held by phone carriers, leaving it open to what’s known as the “third-party doctrine,” the legal argument that Americans don’t have an expectation of privacy for records held by a third party, and thus they don’t have protection under the fourth amendment. The ruling declines to contradict that argument.

Instead, it attacks the notion that Congress ever intended to authorize such a sweeping, mass collection of metadata. As the judges read the Patriot Act, they say it’s intended for targeted investigations in a specific cases, not dragnet surveillance with no limits in time or target.

“The government effectively argues that there is only one enormous ‘anti‐terrorism’ investigation, and that any records that might ever be of use in developing any aspect of that investigation are relevant to the overall counterterrorism effort,” the ruling reads. “The records demanded are not those of suspects under investigation, or of people or businesses that have contact with such subjects, or of people or businesses that have contact with others who are in contact with the subjects – they extend to every record that exists, and indeed to records that do not yet exist, as they impose a continuing obligation on the recipient of the subpoena to provide such records on an ongoing basis as they are created.”

The ruling notes that the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the defendant in the case, had argued that Congress had implicitly approved the mass metadata collection when it reauthorized that section of the Patriot Act in 2010 and 2011. But the judges point out that most members of Congress weren’t even aware of the program, and that showing it had truly been authorized would require evidence of explicit discussion, not closed-door hints and whispers.

“Such expansive development of government repositories of formerly private records would be an unprecedented contraction of the privacy expectations of all Americans,” the judges write. “Perhaps such a contraction is required by national security needs in the face of the dangers of contemporary domestic and international terrorism. But we would expect such a momentous decision to be preceded by substantial debate, and expressed in unmistakable language.”

Congress will have its chance to make that decision in “unmistakable language” in less than a month, when the Patriot Act comes up again for renewal. In a statement, Senator Ron Wyden says that it should take this opportunity to end the program altogether. “This dragnet surveillance program violates the law and tramples on Americans’ privacy rights without making our country any safer. It is long past time for it to end,” writes Wyden, a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee who has been a longtime critic of the 215 program. “Now that this program is finally being examined in the sunlight, the Executive Branch’s claims about its legality and effectiveness are crumbling. The President should end mass surveillance immediately. If not, Congress needs to finish the job and finally end this dragnet.”
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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby Elvis » Sat May 09, 2015 10:05 am



That really is excellent -- a review of the book, The Snowden Files: The Inside Story of the World's Most Wanted Man by Luke Harding of The Guardian -- "a hack job in the purest sense of the term." I couldn't resist picking out some gems here:

Clues abound that Harding is filling in the blanks himself. All too often, we are presented with sentences such as "Snowden may have allowed himself a wry smile," reminding us of the paucity of actual content. The result is a story that is a non-story—a generic rendition of the Snowden cycle where lifeless bromide and imagined melodrama stand in for authentic human narrative.


As you'd expect from a serial plagiarist, the book is a stylistic wasteland. There are no regular impasses in here, only the more refined kind of "impasse we can't get past." Never simply "deny" when you can "categorically deny." Sympathetic characters are always either "wry" or "calm"; that is their entire emotional repertoire.

The words "Orwellian," "Kafkaesque" and "McCarthyite" seem to apply to everything. Far too much is found to be "ironic," all too often "cruelly" so. Cliché after cliché sweeps by in a wash of ugly prose until you are overwhelmed with the cynical functionalism of the thing.


The Snowden Files is a walloping fraud, written by frauds to be praised by frauds. Michiko Kakutani, the renowned New York Times book critic, wrote that it "reads like a le Carré novel crossed with something by Kafka." Really? It's more Tom Clancy meets Dan Brown, but without the crowd-pleasing plot, a thriller without thrills by the man who wasn't there.

That a work so artless, so exploitative, so self-congratulatory, so cynical, so perfectly mediocre as The Snowden Files could receive such blinding praise from such a reputed critic completes the farce. The Snowden Files is—in effect if not in substance—a window into the tiny, shrinking world of industrial journalism and the swindling hacks that live in it.
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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue May 26, 2015 10:43 pm

SATURDAY, MAY 23, 2015 09:29 AM CDT
Glenn Greenwald, I’m sorry: Why I changed my mind on Edward Snowden
After 60 years in public life, my first reaction to Snowden leaks was rage. I was wrong. So was most of the media
HODDING CARTER III

Excerpted from "After Snowden: Privacy, Secrecy and Security in the Information Age."
There gets to be a point when the question is, whose side are you on? Now, I’m Secretary of State of the United States and I’m on our side.
—Secretary of State Dean Rusk

What follows is based on sixty years of experience in public life and journalism. It arises from deepening concern about the people’s limited appreciation of the First Amendment and disgust with media waffling behind timidity’s breastworks. It also arises from urgent unease about government overreach in the name of “homeland security,” an overreach based on post-9/11 fear, political opportunism and an all but explicit assertion that a free people do not need to know and should not demand to know how they are being protected. There is no pretense here of carefully allocated balance, that briefly treasured convention of American journalism. Instead, this is an attempt to explain the evolution of today’s media-government confrontations and to suggest answers to the hard questions that currently face the press when national security clashes with the Bill of Rights.

Unless informed consent is to be treated as a dangerous relic of more tranquil times, these questions should be answered on behalf of the American people as often as they arise. That means applying general principles to specific cases. Knowing the evolution of press freedom can be useful. Having an accurate picture of the chaotic realities of the murky present is crucial. Hard cases are inevitable; hard-and-fast rules are rarely available and too often inapplicable to current conditions. In the end, as always, it is up to each journalist and news organization to be willing to stand alone, to ask, and to answer individually:

“Whose side are you on?”

*

When Edward Snowden’s breathtaking leap off the high board made its first splash, most public and media reactions featured shock and outrage, even among those appalled by the scope of the government’s electronic eavesdropping that he revealed. A minority applauded. A smaller minority yawned. But public ambivalence all but vanished within a month. Consecutive polls showed growing numbers giving emphatic thumbs-down. “You weren’t acting on my behalf,” they seemed to roar.

Not much surprise there. It wasn’t Pearl Harbor and it wasn’t 9/11, but selective media use of Snowden’s huge cache of stolen NSA files seemed to give obvious aid and comfort to America’s enemies and a black eye to the nation. The images of the collapsing Twin Towers were still vivid. No surprise to friends and family, either, when my snap reaction was rage. The ex-Marine, “Gunboats Carter” persona was in full swing. Hang first, try later. It was self-evident that Snowden was a traitor.

Having worked for and with government officials from federal marshals to Presidents for over five decades, I knew that they and I were in lockstep solidarity. Contempt and consternation were near universal, both about Snowden’s betrayal of the public trust and about media publication. They—we—saw both as flaunting a cavalier disregard of legal and moral obligations to safeguard vital national security secrets. As then-National Security Administration Director General Keith B. Alexander claimed, Snowden’s revelations were causing “the greatest damage to our combined nations’ intelligence systems that we have ever suffered.”

The critics did not wear jackboots. Among them were former college classmates who had spent considerable time in the national intelligence enterprise, children of the mid-century who knew where their duty lay. They were vehemently certain that the electronic excavation of private as well as public records was as constitutional as it was vital. They were proud of their response in younger days to the call of duty, knowing the fragility of freedom and the ferocity of its enemies. The new world disorder seemed confirmation enough that questions about their mission were for academic seminars only.

And then I changed my mind, though God knows the generally uninspiring media reaction was not responsible. It is hard even now to fully appreciate how many press commentaries either saluted the official line or fell back on patronizing, snide dismissals of Snowden’s character and intelligence. Those who supported him were few and far between, though vigorous in their support. Among them were The New Yorker, The Guardian, The Washington Post, Vanity Fair, McClatchy newspapers, and Knight Ridder. To others overlooked in that summary listing, my apologies. Those who decided to go forward with their coverage deserve sustained public applause. They took significant chances when they pressed the print button and revealed the NSA’s dirty linen. Of no less importance, they sounded the alarm, warning the American people anew of how much further down the road to an all-intrusive garrison state Washington had ventured.

The number of major media organizations and figures who twitched at every government accusation was appalling. For the more pompous, Snowden and his media shepherds were unworthy intruders in the grand game of serious journalism and commentary. Planted in a self-referential clique, it was all but unnecessary for them to grapple with the meaning of a government that conceived, created, and operated a secret high-tech vacuum cleaner to suck the meaning out of the Fourth Amendment.

According to what the conventionalists wrote or said, Snowden was an immature, self-aggrandizing exhibitionist. He was no one with whom you might wish to have a conversation while supping in intimate dinners with Washington’s powerful. Not of Le Carré’s world, he was the distasteful new man of the onrushing technological dystopia, doing what he did because he could. Why he said he did it was secondary if not irrelevant; it was an irritating sideshow. Don’t look at that man behind the curtain, they all but shouted. Look at the boogeyman.

As for the three reporters he entrusted with portions of the material, were they chosen because he trusted them to use it wisely? They were enablers of the unthinkable or traitors themselves. It was a hard position to maintain, since they were varied in background and outlook. Snowden apparently picked each because of what he saw as their unsparing coverage of government’s rogue activities. They include Laura Poitras, a left-wing freelance television producer whose previous work had stirred waters, and Barton Gellman, a mainline journalist who had won two Pulitzer Prizes while working for The Washington Post. The most prolific was Snowden’s tireless Boswell, Glenn Greenwald, a columnist for the British newspaper, The Guardian. He was, and is, unrestrained in his free-swinging indictment of what he considers to be mainstream media’s absence without leave from the fray. Major press heavies returned the compliment, labeling him a radical nouveau whose rants outran reason. To reread their snide fulminations is to realize that the best antidotes to arrogance are looped replay or a long memory.

The great bulk of the print press ran wire service accounts, as usual, along with Washington-based and Washington-influenced commentary purchased on the cheap. Attention must be paid to the exceptional precursors to Snowden whose stories sparked threats of prosecution, smears from the far right, and outright denials from the President. Among them, New York Times reporters Eric Lichtblau and James Risen shared the 2006 Pulitzer Prize for national reporting for exposing President Bush’s approval of warrantless domestic wiretaps. In the same year, Dana Priest of The Washington Post won the Pulitzer for stories revealing that the CIA ran foreign prisons where terrorists and those suspected of terrorism were tortured. It should also be noted that many secondhand accounts leaned heavily on Gellman, Greenwald, and Poitras.

The new world of the Internet was more diverse and more extensive, but of mixed quality. Politico and the Center for Public Integrity offered first-rate if sporadic work. To reread most of the blogs, our outliers of an inevitable future, is to weep for their strident ignorance. The networks and cable news at first ran all-out with the startling revelations, but then, as though exhausted by their close encounter with meaningful news, pulled over to concentrate on missing airliners and celebrity journalism. Public TV and radio did a more consistent job, “Frontline” most particularly, but some major figures admitted that Washington influenced the tone of their coverage as well.

The horde of talk show reactionaries came baying from their ideological kennels to snap and snarl across the land. Snowden’s sympathizers were “useful idiots,” to use the former Soviet phrase, just as Fox’s propagandists had been saying all along. The terrorists had a fifth column within America. Debate over; gong-show commentary, interminable.

It is easy to understand their overwhelming nastiness. Whether they knew better or not, they knew their employers and they knew their audience. It is a defense unavailable to those segments of the establishment press who ducked when the hard balls came in high and close. Perhaps it was too much to expect that they would suddenly fall off their asses on the road to Damascus.

The relatively pallid media reaction stung. While government service and politics have consumed decades of my life, journalism, my first and last great love, has consumed even more. Short form, long form, television or print, and now the world of the Internet, I have seen them as the great bedrock and protector of American liberty and freedom. Small town and big city, reporter, anchor, editor, publisher, or columnist, all taught the same lesson. The Bill of Rights gave the press, like every citizen, previously unthinkable freedom to speak truth to power. As the Founders saw it, without the media, the public would be forever blinkered. Without it, government could do as it invariably prefers: conceive, organize, and implement policy decisions untrammeled by the opinions of those it is supposed to serve.

Excerpted from “After Snowden: Privacy, Secrecy and Security in the Information Age.” Edited by Ronald Goldfarb. Published by Thomas Dunne Books, an imprint of St. Martin’s Press. Copyright © 2015 by Hodding Carter III. Reprinted with permission of the publisher. All rights reserved.
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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Jun 03, 2015 9:39 am

Thank you, Edward Snowden: An End to General Warrants as so-called PATRIOT Act expires
By Juan Cole | Jun. 1, 2015 |

By Juan Cole | (Informed Comment) –
The US government behemoth dedicated to spying on us all in contravention of the Constitution will likely be only slightly inconvenienced by the expiration of the misnamed “PATRIOT Act”, forced by Sen. Rand Paul late Sunday night. But at least a few baby steps back toward democracy will be taken as a result.
The act hasn’t primarily been used for terrorism cases but for drug busts, which is to say, it is an enforcement mechanism for the liquor and pharmaceutical corporations that fear organic recreational drugs.
It should be underlined that these steps toward restoration of Americans’ privacy would not have occurred without the revelations of Edward Snowden about just how out of control the National Security Agency has been. Even senators like Ron Wyden of Oregon, who knew what the US government was doing in secret, could not openly blow the whistle because they would have instantly been arrested.
The bulk collection of information on whom millions of Americans call, how long they talk, and where they are when they’re doing it, and the storage of that information on government servers, will cease. Mind you, the government never got a warrant for any of this invasion of privacy. And a recent Federal court ruling found that anyway the Patriot Act didn’t authorize the degree of intrusive dragnets in which the government has been engaged. In essence, the executive claimed for itself a general warrant to go through our papers. The fourth amendment was crafted to make general warrants illegal. Even British courts under the monarchy in the 18th century pushed back against the crown’s assertion of a right to snoop into someone’s papers with no probable cause and no specific warrant. George W. Bush and Barack Obama claimed a power that even King George III did not have, and Americans kicked King George III off this continent for being too nosy and too grabby.
The government is going to try to make the telephone companies keep those records instead, for 18 months. The government will be able to query those records, but only with a specific warrant and a show of probable cause. We’ll be back to the year 2000, when we had more civil liberties.
There is no evidence that this massive domestic surveillance program rolled up a single terrorist plot, but plenty of evidence that it was misused.



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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Jun 17, 2015 10:35 am

Bruce Schneier: Russia hacked NSA for Snowden docs

17 Jun, 2015
Security expert says Snowden not to blame for Russia and China getting hands on secret files
China and Russia have copies of Edward Snowden’s leaked documents by hacking the NSA itself before the whistleblower even arrived in Russia, according to security expert Bruce Schneier.

He believes lax security controls at the US spy agency, rather than Snowden residing in Russia, being responsible for allowing foreign countries to get their hands on top secret documents.

The countries also have sophisticated hacking capabilities that far outstrip journalists’ abilities to protect the leaked documents, Schneier wrote in Wired yesterday.

“The vulnerability is not Snowden; it’s everyone who has access to the files,” wrote Schneier.

“China and Russia had access to all the files that Snowden took well before Snowden took them because they’ve penetrated the NSA networks where those files reside.

“Remember that Snowden was able to wander through the NSA’s networks with impunity.”

He pointed to Russia’s alleged hack of the White House network earlier this year, as well as suspected hacks from China on US government databases.

He added that journalists protecting the files after receiving them from Snowden would have struggled to fend off government-backed cyber hackers.

“It’s been open season on the computers of the journalists Snowden shared documents with since this story broke in July 2013," he claimed.

“While they have been taking extraordinary pains to secure those computers, it’s almost certainly not enough to keep out the world’s intelligence services.”

Schneier’s article was written in response to a Sunday Times front page story claiming MI6 has had to pull spies out of operations because Russia had cracked more than one million encrypted documents held by Snowden.

The story has since been widely panned by media, with other journalists pointing out inaccuracies such as the claim Snowden had fled to Russia – in fact, he had been in Moscow en route to South America when the US revoked his passport, allowing Russia to hold him in transit.

Moreover, he said he left his documents with a contact in Hong Kong, pouring doubt on the article’s claim he had the files when he landed in Russia.

Schneier said: “It’s a terrible article, filled with factual inaccuracies and unsubstantiated claims about both Snowden’s actions and the damage caused by his disclosure.”

The cryptographer said he had no doubt Snowden had encrypted the documents before landing in Russia, just as the whistleblower has claimed, because it’s sensible and easy to do.


BRUCE SCHNEIER DATE OF PUBLICATION: 06.16.15.
06.16.15
TIME OF PUBLICATION: 9:18 AM.
9:18 AM
CHINA AND RUSSIA ALMOST DEFINITELY HAVE THE SNOWDEN DOCS

LAST WEEKEND, THE Sunday Times published a front-page story (full text here), citing anonymous British sources claiming that both China and Russia have copies of the Snowden documents. It’s a terrible article, filled with factual inaccuracies and unsubstantiated claims about both Snowden’s actions and the damage caused by his disclosure, and others have thoroughly refuted the story. I want to focus on the actual question: Do countries like China and Russia have copies of the Snowden documents?

I believe the answer is certainly yes, but that it’s almost certainly not Snowden’s fault.

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Snowden has claimed that he gave nothing to China while he was in Hong Kong, and brought nothing to Russia. He has said that he encrypted the documents in such a way that even he no longer has access to them, and that he did this before the US government stranded him in Russia. I have no doubt he did as he said, because A) it’s the smart thing to do, and B) it’s easy. All he would have had to do was encrypt the file with a long random key, break the encrypted text up into a few parts and mail them to trusted friends around the world, then forget the key. He probably added some security embellishments, but—regardless—the first sentence of the Times story simply makes no sense: “Russia and China have cracked the top-secret cache of files…”

But while cryptography is strong, computer security is weak. The vulnerability is not Snowden; it’s everyone who has access to the files.

The vulnerability is not Snowden; it’s everyone who has access to the files.
First, the journalists working with the documents. I’ve handled some of the Snowden documents myself, and even though I’m a paranoid cryptographer, I know how difficult it is to maintain perfect security. It’s been open season on the computers of the journalists Snowden shared documents with since this story broke in July 2013. And while they have been taking extraordinary pains to secure those computers, it’s almost certainly not enough to keep out the world’s intelligence services.

There is a lot of evidence for this belief. We know from other top-secret NSA documents that as far back as 2008, the agency’s Tailored Access Operations group has extraordinary capabilities to hack into and “exfiltrate” data from specific computers, even if those computers are highly secured and not connected to the Internet.

These NSA capabilities are not unique, and it’s reasonable to assume both that other countries had similar capabilities in 2008 and that everyone has improved their attack techniques in the seven years since then. Last week, we learned that Israel had successfully hacked a wide variety of networks, including that of a major computer antivirus company. We also learned that China successfully hacked US government personnel databases. And earlier this year, Russia successfully hacked the White House’s network. These sorts of stories are now routine.

I believe that both China and Russia had access to all the files that Snowden took well before Snowden took them because they've penetrated the NSA networks where those files reside.
Which brings me to the second potential source of these documents to foreign intelligence agencies: the US and UK governments themselves. I believe that both China and Russia had access to all the files that Snowden took well before Snowden took them because they’ve penetrated the NSA networks where those files reside. After all, the NSA has been a prime target for decades.

Those government hacking examples above were against unclassified networks, but the nation-state techniques we’re seeing work against classified and unconnected networks as well. In general, it’s far easier to attack a network than it is to defend the same network. This isn’t a statement about willpower or budget; it’s how computer and network security work today. A former NSA deputy director recently said that if we were to score cyber the way we score soccer, the tally would be 462–456 twenty minutes into the game. In other words, it’s all offense and no defense.

In this kind of environment, we simply have to assume that even our classified networks have been penetrated. Remember that Snowden was able to wander through the NSA’s networks with impunity, and that the agency had so few controls in place that the only way they can guess what has been taken is to extrapolate based on what has been published. Does anyone believe that Snowden was the first to take advantage of that lax security? I don’t.

We simply have to assume that even our classified networks have been penetrated.
This is why I find allegations that Snowden was working for the Russians or the Chinese simply laughable. What makes you think those countries waited for Snowden? And why do you think someone working for the Russians or the Chinese would go public with their haul?

I am reminded of a comment made to me in confidence by a US intelligence official. I asked him what he was most worried about, and he replied: “I know how deep we are in our enemies’ networks without them having any idea that we’re there. I’m worried that our networks are penetrated just as deeply.”

Seems like a reasonable worry to me.

The open question is which countries have sophisticated enough cyberespionage operations to mount a successful attack against one of the journalists or against the intelligence agencies themselves. And while I have my own mental list, the truth is that I don’t know. But certainly Russia and China are on the list, and it’s just as certain they didn’t have to wait for Snowden to get access to the files. While it might be politically convenient to blame Snowden because, as the Sunday Times reported an anonymous source saying, “we have now seen our agents and assets being targeted,” the NSA and GCHQ should first take a look into their mirrors.
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Sep 29, 2015 10:15 am

Edward Snowden Is Pushing For A Global Treaty Against Digital Surveillance
By Vincent Lanaria, Tech Times | September 29, 2:59 AM
Internet PrivacyEdward Snowden calls for a global privacy treaty where people are protected from improper surveillance. The NSA whistle-blower says that the invasion of privacy is a global problem.

Edward Snowden pushes for a global privacy treaty, saying that more countries are strengthening their spying powers. He and his associates want protection for whistle-blowers and from invasive surveillance.

The American whistle-blower said that mass spying is a problem on an international scale and insists that it requires a global response to resolve.

"We have to have a discussion, we have to come forward with proposals to go 'how do we assert what our rights are, traditionally and digitally and to ensure that we can not just enjoy them, but we can protect them,'" said Snowden via a video conference at a Manhattan forum.

In 2013, Snowden became known worldwide when he leaked information about the National Security Agency's overreaching surveillance programs. Despite the United States' demands to have Snowden return and face the consequences of his actions, Russia has granted the whistle-blower asylum.

Ever since Snowden revealed the NSA's collection of phone metadata to the world, it has been the subject of controversy, which has led to a law which now requires the U.S. agency to request the records from telephone companies, putting a halt to the secretive bulk data collection.

Just before the U.N. leaders' annual gathering, Snowden, Glenn Greenwald, David Miranda and Avaaz, a global advocacy group, started the campaign, calling it Snowden Treaty. A group of legal professionals on Internet freedom and surveillance drafted a possible treaty,and national representatives were said to be interested, but there was no mention about which nations they represent.

Snowden is aware that the campaign for such a treaty will probably take several years, but he is determined to see it through.

In December 2014, the United Nations General Assembly raised concerns about digital spying, expressing that online data interception and collection and arbitrary mass surveillance violate privacy rights. The General Assembly considered such acts as "highly intrusive" and, thus, approved of a non-binding resolution.

Also, in July 2015, the U.N. Human Rights Council employed its first digital privacy investigator, Professor Joseph Cannataci of the University of Malta.
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Look out for the Fnords!
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Re: Edward Snowden, American Hero

Postby backtoiam » Fri Oct 02, 2015 1:09 am

I don't know anything about Twitter except that a lot of people use it. How do we know it is the real Snowden?
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Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:03 pm

Edward Snowden interview: 'Smartphones can be taken over'
By Peter Taylor
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5 October 2015

Smartphone users can do "very little" to stop security services getting "total control" over their devices, US whistleblower Edward Snowden has said.
The former intelligence contractor told the BBC's Panorama that UK intelligence agency GCHQ had the power to hack into phones without their owners' knowledge.
Mr Snowden said GCHQ could gain access to a handset by sending it an encrypted text message and use it for such things as taking pictures and listening in.
The UK government declined to comment.
'Nosey Smurf'
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Edward Snowden says government phone-hacking capabilities were "named after Smurfs"
Mr Snowden spoke to Panorama in Moscow, where he fled in 2013 after leaking to the media details of extensive internet and phone surveillance by his former employer, the US National Security Agency (NSA).
He did not suggest that either GCHQ or the NSA were interested in mass-monitoring of citizens' private communications but said both agencies had invested heavily in technology allowing them to hack smartphones. "They want to own your phone instead of you," he said.
Mr Snowden talked about GCHQ's "Smurf Suite", a collection of secret intercept capabilities individually named after the little blue imps of Belgian cartoon fame.
"Dreamy Smurf is the power management tool which means turning your phone on and off with you knowing," he said.
"Nosey Smurf is the 'hot mic' tool. For example if it's in your pocket, [GCHQ] can turn the microphone on and listen to everything that's going on around you - even if your phone is switched off because they've got the other tools for turning it on.
"Tracker Smurf is a geo-location tool which allows [GCHQ] to follow you with a greater precision than you would get from the typical triangulation of cellphone towers."
Peter Taylor's film Edward Snowden: Spies and the Law also covers:
The contentious relationship between the British government and social media companies. The intelligence agencies and the police want the companies to co-operate in detecting terrorist content but the programme learns that not all companies are prepared to co-operate to the extent that the agencies would like.
Documents leaked by Mr Snowden that appear to show that the UK government acquired vast amounts of communications data from inside Pakistan by secretly hacking into routers manufactured by the US company, Cisco.
'Necessary and proportionate'
Mr Snowden also referred to a tool known as Paronoid Smurf.
"It's a self-protection tool that's used to armour [GCHQ's] manipulation of your phone. For example, if you wanted to take the phone in to get it serviced because you saw something strange going on or you suspected something was wrong, it makes it much more difficult for any technician to realise that anything's gone amiss."
Once GCHQ had gained access to a user's handset, Mr Snowden said the agency would be able to see "who you call, what you've texted, the things you've browsed, the list of your contacts, the places you've been, the wireless networks that your phone is associated with.
"And they can do much more. They can photograph you".
Mr Snowden also explained that the SMS message sent by the agency to gain access to the phone would pass unnoticed by the handset's owner.
"It's called an 'exploit'," he said. "That's a specially crafted message that's texted to your number like any other text message but when it arrives at your phone it's hidden from you. It doesn't display. You paid for it [the phone] but whoever controls the software owns the phone."
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Describing the relationship between GCHQ and its US counterpart, he said: "GCHQ is to all intents and purposes a subsidiary of the NSA.
"They [the NSA] provide technology, they provide tasking and direction as to what they [GCHQ] should go after."
The NSA is understood to have a similar programme to the Smurf Suite used by GCHQ on which it is reported to have spent $1bn in response to terrorists' increasing use of smartphones.
Mr Snowden said the agencies were targeting those suspected of involvement in terrorism or other serious crimes such as paedophilia "but to find out who those targets are they've got to collect mass data".
"They say, and in many cases this is true, that they're not going to read your email, for example, but they can and if they did you would never know," he said.
In a statement, a spokesperson for the UK government said: "It is long-standing policy that we do not comment on intelligence matters.
"All of GCHQ's work is carried out in accordance with a strict legal and policy framework, which ensures that our activities are authorised, necessary and proportionate, and that there is rigorous oversight, including from the secretary of state, the interception and intelligence services commissioners and the Parliamentary Intelligence and Security Committee. All our operational processes rigorously support this position."
The government believes Mr Snowden has caused great damage to the intelligence agencies' ability to counter threats to national security.
Mr Snowden maintains he has acted in the public interest on the grounds that the surveillance activities revealed in the thousands of documents he leaked are carried out - in his words - "without our knowledge, without our consent and without any sort of democratic participation".
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