Deeper Mystery Of Anthrax 2001

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Deeper Mystery Of Anthrax 2001

Postby 8bitagent » Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:31 am

I know the Anthrax letters events have been examined ad nauseum, as well as a pretty good recent PBS documentary. But I've noticed that there is this whole other
narrative that dovetail with the event.

1. In June 2001, 9/11 hijackers Ahmed al-Haznawit and Ziad Jiad go to a Fort Lauderdale hospital with mysterious lesions. al Haznawit claims he believes he got it from "bumping into a suitcase".
A doctor became convinced it was some sort of form of cutaneous anthrax
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/03/23/anthrax/

On June 25, 2001, al-Haznawi was treated for a lesion on his left leg at the hospital, the source said. He came to the emergency room with another September 11 hijacker, Ziad Jarrah.

Al-Haznawi told a doctor that the wound had not healed after he bumped into a suitcase a couple of months before. The doctor cleaned the wound, gave him a prescription for antibiotics and sent him on his way, the source said.

After the September 11 attacks, FBI agents found evidence in one of the hijackers' homes that led them to question the emergency room physician, Dr. Christos Tsonas. Tsonas remembered treating al-Haznawi.

When the doctor was questioned in October, he told authorities that he believed the wound was "consistent with anthrax."

The first indications of anthrax appeared at the offices of a Miami tabloid newspaper, where photo editor Robert Stevens died on October 5 and colleague Ernesto Blanco was hospitalized with inhalation anthrax. A third employee of American Media International contracted cutaneous anthrax.


2. The first known victim of the anthrax letters was photo editor Bob Stevens, from an anthrax letter mailed to The Sun tabloid at American Media Inc in Boca Raton florida. The editor is Michael Irish. His wife is a real estate agent named Gloria Irish who rented two different apartments to some of the 9/11 hijackers in the months leading up to the sept 11th attacks. A number of the other 19 hijackers were believed to have stayed or visited these two residences. Michael Irish had been at the same flight school as al Shehi and Atta in 2000.
http://www.sptimes.com/News/101501/Worl ... to_t.shtml
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/HEALTH/con ... hijackers/

A letter addressed to Jennifer Lopez containing a Star of David and a bluish powder arrived in the Sun's mailroom in the American Media headquarters. Several people handled the letter, and Stevens sniffed some of the powder.

In May 2002, Inglesby released a memo on the infection, which was based on a undocumented diagnosis by Dr. Tsonas, Holy Cross Hospital in Fort Lauderdale. In October 2001, the FBI showed up at Tsonas with some photographs and a prescription of an antibiotic, they claimed, it was traced back to him. Tsonas then identified Ahmed Alhaznawi (who officially died on Flight 93), but denied this later. As reported, Alhaznawi and other hijackers lived and attended a flight school near the Boca Raton headquarters of American Media Inc., where the first anthrax case surfaced. Alhazmi and Siad Jarrah (who still received a FAA newsletter in 2002, according to the landlord, Charles Lisa) lived in the same apartment together.


4.
Further, a pharmacist in Delray Beach, Florida, stated he had told the F.B.I. that two of the 9/11 hijackers, Mohamed Atta and Marwan al-Shehhi, entered the pharmacy seeking medicine to treat irritations on Mr. Atta's hands.[161]

If the 9/11 hijackers were involved in the anthrax attacks they would probably have needed an accomplice to mail the tainted letters since the four recovered anthrax letters were postmarked on September 18 and October 9.
[161]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Ste ... to_anthrax

5.
Early September: "Some White House personnel" are given ciprofloxacin, the antibiotic of choice for anthrax, for undisclosed reasons.[3]

September 11: Staff accompanying Vice President Cheney to Camp David following the World Trade Center attacks are dispensed ciprofloxacin by the White House Medical Unit as "a precaution".[3]

"Soon after September 11", Washington Post columnist Richard Cohen is advised "in a roundabout way from a high government official" to acquire ciprofloxacin.[4]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Ste ... recautions

6. The anthrax investigation (Amerithrax) has been a frustrating one for the FBI and Postal Inspectors. Part of the frustration lies in the differences between the Florida letter and the letters mailed in New Jersey to addresses in Washington and New York. When one looks at the New Jersey aspect of the investigation alone, it appears that the leading suspect would be a "government insider". But when investigators try to tie it into the Florida case the evidence just doesn't meld. The same goes for the Florida aspect when investigators try to tie it into the New Jersey mailings.
http://www.postalmag.com/scenario.htm

7. The Code and words

YOU CANNOT STOP US
WE HAVE THIS ANTHRAX
YOU DIE NOW
ARE YOU AFRAID?
DEATH TO AMERICA.
DEATH TO ISRAEL.
ALLAH IS GREAT THIS IS NEXT
TAKE PENACILIN NOW
DEATH TO AMERICA
DEATH TO ISRAEL
ALLAH IS GREAT

According to the FBI Summary Report issued on February 19, 2010, following the search of Ivins' home, cars, and office on November 1, 2007, investigators began examining his trash.[33] A week later, just after 1 a.m. on the morning of November 8, Ivins was observed throwing away "a copy of a book entitled Gödel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid, published by Douglas Hofstadter in 1979" and "a 1992 issue of American Scientist Journal which contained an article entitled 'The Linguistics of DNA,' and discussed, among other things, codons and hidden messages".[34]

The book Gödel, Escher, Bach contains a lengthy description of the encoding/decoding procedures, including an illustration of hiding a message within a message by bolding certain characters.[35] According to the FBI Summary Report, "[w]hen they lifted out just the bolded letters, investigators got TTT AAT TAT – an apparent hidden message". The 3-letter groups are codons, "meaning that each sequence of three nucleic acids will code for a specific amino acid".[36]

TTT = Phenylalanine (single-letter designator F)
AAT = Asparagine (single-letter designator N)
TAT = Tyrosine (single-letter designator Y)

The FBI Summary Report proceeds to say: "From this analysis, two possible hidden meanings emerged: (1) 'FNY' – a verbal assault on New York, and (2) PAT – the nickname of [Dr. Ivins'] Former Colleague #2." Ivins was known to have a dislike for New York City, and four of the media letters had been sent to New York.[37] The report states that it "was obviously impossible for the Task Force to determine with certainty that either of these two translations was correct", however, "the key point to the investigative analysis is that there is a hidden message, not so much what that message is."[38] Ivins showed a fascination with codes and also had an interest in secrets and hidden messages.[39] He also was familiar with biochemical codons.[40]


8.
February 15, 2011 - A group of independent scientists convened by the National Academies of Sciences has concluded that scientific evidence alone is not enough to prove that Bruce Ivins was the perpetrator of the anthrax attacks that killed five people in 2001[60]


I've long believed that dismissing the hijackers and al Qaeda re: 9/11 is a mistake, as it truly seems from all possible research that the hijackers acted as crucial vessels, ciphers.
They lived next to Israeli agents, Israeli ecstacy dealers. They lived very close to the first anthrax attack. One took training in Florida from the former head of remote viewing/psychic Army experiments. Reports state Mohammed Atta and company spent a lot of time and money on alcohol, strippers, porn, even hookers and drugs. The flight schools in Florida have interesting deep state connections as
reported by Daniel Hopsicker. And we KNOW the US government was war gaming anthrax sent in the mail back in August as reported by Judith Miller, AND we know they were told to take cipro PRIOR to 9/11.

It's been 12 years now. Is it possible to finally get an image of what happened? Is it possible there is a connection to both Ivins and the bio lab and the hijackers through some nexus liason, even if they were unaware of eachother?
A lot of evidence does seem to point to Ivins, tho a final report says it is inconclusive. But you get the sense there is so much more to it. Like Oklahoma city and 9/11 itself, there's all these secondary layers of actors and potential perps.
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Re: Deeper Mystery Of Anthrax 2001

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Fri Aug 09, 2013 10:07 am

Damn. That is one hell of an OP, thank you. I will be thinking about this all day.

Had never really caught the implications of that first data point. Dennis Dayle was right - the air is mighty thin at the top of the pyramid.
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Re: Deeper Mystery Of Anthrax 2001

Postby 8bitagent » Fri Aug 09, 2013 5:27 pm

Wombaticus Rex » Fri Aug 09, 2013 9:07 am wrote:Damn. That is one hell of an OP, thank you. I will be thinking about this all day.

Had never really caught the implications of that first data point. Dennis Dayle was right - the air is mighty thin at the top of the pyramid.



Yeah I don't mean to spam with topics covered at length here, it's just I never saw the hijacker stuff explored much before. I'm not saying Rumsfeld was right about an al Qaeda connection, or that Ivins was
the sole man(I view the Ivins case similar to the Toyn Bee Tiles or Zodiac mystery) But there is something, I can't quite put my finger on. Like some sort of ethereal swamp that would make it more than a coincidence for the alleged hijackers, Bruce Ivins, the White House and Army bio war lab to be one degree of separation away. How did the white house, before both the letters and 9/11 know to go on cipro?
The timing to the patriot act/Democrat senate office is one thing...

but why was the first victim fatality, Bob Stevens of The Sun, dead from a letter unrelated to the New Jersey letter? Noone seems to talk about that. The inhalation anthrax in the "J-Lo/Star of David" letter to the Americanmedia Inc Sun tabloid in Boca Raton florida has a completely different postmark/style/anthrax/flow to it. Once again, it ties right into the deep state swamp of Florida(Venice flight schools, Israeli agents living near hijackers, Bush elementary school and Sudan terror threats, white vans, Hopsickers research on Atta, etc)
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Re: Deeper Mystery Of Anthrax 2001

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Fri Aug 09, 2013 6:35 pm

8bitagent » Fri Aug 09, 2013 3:31 am wrote:6. The anthrax investigation (Amerithrax) has been a frustrating one for the FBI and Postal Inspectors. Part of the frustration lies in the differences between the Florida letter and the letters mailed in New Jersey to addresses in Washington and New York. When one looks at the New Jersey aspect of the investigation alone, it appears that the leading suspect would be a "government insider". But when investigators try to tie it into the Florida case the evidence just doesn't meld. The same goes for the Florida aspect when investigators try to tie it into the New Jersey mailings.
http://www.postalmag.com/scenario.htm


First of all, best OP I've read in a long time.

Second, that link above is fascinating both for what it reveals that the author intended and also revelations unintended. What you bolded above is absolutely mindblowing in its implications, and I'm sure the author knew that. But I found this paragraph below equally stunning, and not just because of how exemplary it is of how Hatfill got his seven figure settlement.

It's probable that the Florida letter was mailed by the hijackers. Moreover, it's possible, and I only say possible, that Steven Hatfill or another insider/scientist mailed the New Jersey anthrax letters coincidentally without knowing that another anthrax letter had been mailed by the hijackers. (The Florida letter wasn't discovered to have been contaminated with anthrax until the first week in October, a week or two after the first New Jersey letters were sent.) This improbable but possible coincidence may be the reason why the investigation has gone in circles.


Sorry, but my bullshit meter hits eleven anytime I see the word "coincidence" used unironically more than once in a paragraph. This ranks up there with the people who look at the evidence in the JFK assassination and say, "Well, there probably was two shooters, but the other shooter was just another nut like Oswald who coincidentally chose the same time to shoot Kennedy." That is prima facie bullshit. There's no question in my mind that there were two tiers to the same operation. The question is how was it coordinated? The circumstantial evidence leans toward Cheney as "maestro", but that still doesn't explain the how. There had to have been some mid-level cutouts for plausible deniability.

I'm still not sure if Ivins was guilty in any way. What did you mean about Ivins being like Zodiac? I'm a big fan of the David Fincher movie, but I'm unaware of the case being connected with Deep State Shit. Though I do recall in Sinister Forces that Levenda made some connection between Zodiac and Son of Sam, the details of which I'm a little blurry on.
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Re: Deeper Mystery Of Anthrax 2001

Postby 8bitagent » Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:19 pm

Hey! Thanks. Yeah I was just finding links for my "weird Florida" thread and remembered these little nuggets and came across others.

1. Yeah the article was written in 2002 by a Postal employee writer, so it comes from the assumptions of the time. But like you said, it's what they didn't mean to intend that's interesting.

The idea of "two or multiple tiers" is always important, as highlighted in the film JFK. Remember our discussion here of the parallel "Chicago" plot leading to Dallas, a lot of similar discussions.
We're told Oswald fired a gun randomly at some house leading up to Dallas in PBS "Oswald's Ghost"(a pro official story doc) I am however willing to entertain the notion of syncs and coincidences.
With the Oklahoma City case, we know about Timonthy Mcveigh and Nichols. But then there's a black Muslim(tied to 9/11 hijackers and WTC 93 bombers) Melvin Lattimore seen hanging with
Mcveigh. There's also the two tiers: One of informant neo Nazis Sean Kenney, James Rosenkrantz and Andreas Straussmeyer. THEN we have reports of Iraqi defectors like Husseini al Hussain, allegedly
working Boston Logan morning of 9/11. WERE these elements there so the powers that be could, if they wanted to, pin it on Iraqi Arabs at the last minute as a backup? Like Boston bombing being
on Patriots day and Tamerlan with neo Nazi material? With 9/11 we have Israeli spies/art students living near the hijackers, the Memphis-WTC sprinkler connection, Oklahoma University, Florida, San Diego, Virgina and manyfront company cutouts in Massachusettes.

2. The hijackers were a very odd bunch. Im surprised more truthers arent more fascinated by them. Mohammed Atta on one of his wills(or pledge letters found, I forget) ended it with the word "ROOM" written in capital letters
underscored by a sword with snakes wrapped around. Which is very odd as usually its a staff with a snake wrapped around. There seems something more mysterious going on in their minds than simply
Islamic jihad, blowback or CIA spookery. I've yet seen evidence tying Cheney to 9/11 or the anthrax case, but he's certainly a vile dark soul regardless.

3. What I mean is that with the "Resurrect Dead: Toynbee tiles mystery" documentary or David Fincher's Zodiac, there's a full appreciation of a puzzle that seems to end up pointing to a specific person. And dissecting the mindset and weird clues. I'm not saying Ivins masterminded the anthrax, but he may have been involved. Or key evidence framed around him. Like Oswald, I do not think Ivins is UN-connected to the anthrax if that makes sense. He may indeed be a player.

As far as coincidences...
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Re: Deeper Mystery Of Anthrax 2001

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:40 pm

Am I reading you right that you see a confluence between Toynbee Tiles x Zodiac? Please elaborate if so! I was actually planning on eating mushrooms and re-watching Zodiac and Holy Mountain and Communion tomorrow night.

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Re: Deeper Mystery Of Anthrax 2001

Postby 8bitagent » Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:58 pm

Wombaticus Rex » Fri Aug 09, 2013 7:40 pm wrote:Am I reading you right that you see a confluence between Toynbee Tiles x Zodiac? Please elaborate if so! I was actually planning on eating mushrooms and re-watching Zodiac and Holy Mountain and Communion tomorrow night.

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I freaking LOVE Holy Mountain and Communion, even though people I know think Communion is cheesey. Also love Beyond the Black Rainbow)

But to answer your question: No.

Specifically, this is what I mean: In the truther community, there is this big focus on "were the hijackers/Mcveigh/KSM/Boston Bombers/Oswald/Bruce Ivins/etc PATSIES?"

I've come though, to appreciate reading on what made these personalities tick and the mystery of what they were actually doing. Bread crumbs, clues, within the narrative
of the events they are attached to. Actors in the "Meta Play" as Peter Dale Scott says. I referenced the Toyn Bee Tile documentary Resurrect Dead and Zodiac, because both films mediate on the psychology and clues
that may or may not point to an individual. Like the great doc "Man On Wire", or "Grizzly Man" it examines the psychological profile in a way.

Within that context, for me at least, to me the question isnt "Was Mohamed Atta or Bruce Ivins framed" but the appreciation of what role they may have had and the curious
psychological makeup that may connect them to these hideous acts. As Jeff wrote in one of his RI blogs, "New Coke" trutherism throws out al Qaeda instead of appreciating
the bread crumbs. I find the connections between the Anthrax clues to Bruce Ivins life and frame of mind, and weird nuanced clues to be interesting. PBS did a great documentary on
this focus, as they too found in the end he may not have been the mastermind...but it's still interesting.

Zodiac is scary because you begin to wonder...was the Zodiac truly working alone? Like the anthrax case, all these other clues point to *other* people. Especially the last act of the film.
While the survivor points to Leigh Allen, other clues distinctly point to others. It's like an illusion. LIKE CHRISTOPHER WALKEN trying to take apart the grey alien head:)
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Re: Deeper Mystery Of Anthrax 2001

Postby 82_28 » Fri Aug 09, 2013 9:35 pm

They certainly covered their asses. Whoever did whatever is covered. I think we all look at this era as somebody was getting away with something. I disagree. It was made to look like somebody was getting away with something. It is in the appearance of all this that we can glean our clues. It was a very serious time and still is. However, I believe the larger narrative is to subliminally show for future generations especially, that there is nothing you can do and to create a new generational narrative just as JFK, RFK, MLK were done for us. They just "plug in" additives to the going story. They plug in the various variables. They are not "online" yet, but are coming online as they study the framework's strength. It's generational, yet for all intents and purposes eternal in strength.
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Re: Deeper Mystery Of Anthrax 2001

Postby slimmouse » Sat Aug 10, 2013 3:18 am

Can anyone fit Jerome Hauer into this picture for me. I know that he and Hatfill were thick as theives courtesy of "government Bio contracts", and Im led to believe it was Hauer who warned the white house about the need to take cipro. Wasnt there also a story about bloodhounds leading to Hatfills door?
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Re: Deeper Mystery Of Anthrax 2001

Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:20 am



http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... 987#100150
100150, Tommy Thompson - Jerome M. Hauer
Posted by seemslikeadream on Sun Jul-16-06 11:30 AM
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/KUP206A.html

Jerry Hauer
the man who found John O'Neill the position at the World Trade Center, also was the man that "identified" John's body.




Assistant Vice President, Science Applications International Corporation
Associate Director, Center for Counterterrorism Technology & Analysis

The Tommy Thompson/ Duer research anthrax investigation thread
http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... id=1409156

Hey DUer's-this is the Tommy Thompson thread!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... id=2257586



http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... id=2258168

Jerome M. Hauer
Assistant Vice President, Science Applications International Corporation
Associate Director, Center for Counterterrorism Technology & Analysis

Jerome M. Hauer, one of the nation's leading experts on biological and chemical terrorism, recently left his post as Director of New York City's Office of Emergency Management (OEM) to join Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC). Hauer, who served four years as the City's first OEM Director, will be SAIC's Assistant Vice President and Associate Director of Center for Counterterrorism Technology and Analysis.

During his tenure at OEM, Hauer was charged by the Mayor with coordinating the City's on-scene response to multi-agency emergencies. He was also given the responsibility of drafting the City's emergency response plans to natural and man-made events, including hurricanes and coastal flooding, as well as biological or chemical attacks.

Hauer has a Masters degree from the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health and over 20 years of experience in emergency management. He was recently selected to be one of six scientists to brief President Clinton on biological terrorism and has been asked by the World Health Organization to co-author a rewrite of its 1970 monograph on chemical and biological weapons. Hauer consults regularly with Scotland Yard and the Israeli military, and worked extensively with the Australian Government in its preparations for the 2000 Summer Olympics.

Hauer has served on the National Academy of Sciences Institute of Medicine's Committee to Evaluate R&D Needs for Improved Civilian Medical Response to Chemical or Biological Terrorism Incidents, and is an advisor the United States Capitol Police and the United States Marine Corps' Chemical-Biological Incident Response Force (C-BIRF). Hauer is also a member of the Johns Hopkins Working Group on Civilian Bio Defense, and is an advisor to the Department of Justice's Office of Justice Programs.
more
http://iml.dartmouth.edu/ists/hauer.html

The former director of New York’s Office of Emergency Management on what’s being done at ‘Ground Zero’Newsweek Web ExclusiveSept. 14 - Following the 1993 terrorist attack at the World Trade Center, Jerome M. Hauer was named the first-ever director and commissioner of the Mayor’s Office of Emergency Management (OEM) for the City of New York. The office was designated as the center that would coordinate all agencies in times of crisis, and create its systems and protocols.

THE OEM DIRECTS the city’s overall emergency-response planning, as well as specialized planning for response to chemical, biological and nuclear-related incidents. Hauer also directed the design and implementation of New York City’s state-of-the-art Emergency Operations Center situated on the 23rd floor of 7 World Trade Center, a bunker that went unused in the Tuesday’s explosions because of its proximity to the disaster (WTC 7 collapsed later that day).
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Terror: Who is Jerome "Jerry" Hauer?
Posted by: VALIS on Aug 25, 2002 - 02:17 AM


Jerome Hauer, Human Health Institute, is the man who put John O'Neill at the WTC and tipped the White House off to Cipro.
Very interesting stuff.....

"Very few cities at this point in time are prepared to manage the consequences of bio-terrorist attack."
Jerry Hauer in an interview with Eyewitness News, October 1, 2001

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/WABC_i ... error.html

In May 2002, Jerome Hauer became director of the federal Office of Public Health Preparedness (OPHP), succeeding Dr. D. A. Henderson from Johns Hopkins Institute.

Why is Jerome Hauer not making national news yet?

He's becoming famous on the Internet. Not only for Republicans, who appreciate his long fight against bioterrorism, which he started three to four years ago.

Hauer is also controversial among those who are able to connect the dots between his person and shady business deals in biopharmacy since 1998.

More interesting, he seems to have had prior knowledge about both so called terrorist-attacks: September 11th and Anthrax.

But many private investigators claim since months, he let the attacks happen on purpose to continue his career.

Is Hauer LIHOP suspect No.1?

He started to work for the NIH under Tommy Thompson on September 10, 2001 as an adviser on national security. On September 11th, he told the White House to take Cipro, the antibiotic that works against the anthrax virus, without bothering to reveal his warning to the American nation.
http://www.bayarea.com/mld/bayarea/livi ... 020501.hym

The watchdog group JudicialWatch decided to file a lawsuit against the NIH, but also against the FBI, CDC and the White House, for the same reason: Prior Knowledge.

It is not known how long Hauer worked at the NIH before Sept. 11, but we can confirm that he was working on Sept. 10.
http://www.lauriegarrett.com/wtc_day12.html

But things get really interesting when we consider that Jerome Hauer was also the man who in August 2001 arranged a new job for John O'Neill - the resigning chief of the FBI Terror Task Force - as head of security at the World Trade Center.

How did Hauer know that the Twin Towers would be so important?

We would like to ask John O' Neill, but there is one problem: O'Neill died in the towers on September 11th, one day after he started his job officially, according to the New Yorker.

Disturbingly, O'Neill has never been received the same hero status in the mass media as has been accorded to the fallen New York firefighters and police officers. His death has gone without the same fanfare. For 11 months his story went untold, with two big exceptions.

The two French intelligence specialists Brisard and Dasquie (see: http://intelligenceonline.fr ) published an interview with O'Neill taken before his death in their book, "Bin Laden: The Forbidden Truth." And articles on O'Neill were also published in the New Yorker and New York Magazine. Last week, TIME magazine also tried to remember him, but left out the most important angles.

This should change immediately.

There is obviously a lot which has been hidden from us, but for what reason?

This might have something to do with the FBI HQ (O'Neill complained about them), but also with Jerome Hauer - who is a friend of the current prime anthrax suspect, Stephen Hatfill, who was working for the military anthrax program USAMRIID at Fort Detrick and Battelle, a huge pharmacy company with many ties to the CIA.

Hauer and Hatfill worked together at the SAIC's Center for Counterterrorism Technology and Analysis in 1999. The SAIC (Scientific Applications International Corp) later received also a huge BioDefense budget in autumn 2001.
http://www.saic.com/news/nov99/news11-30a-99.html - (Hauer)
http://www.nandotimes.com/nation/story/ ... 3441c.html - (Hatfill)

But first, more about Hauer:

In 1983, Hauer joined IBM where he was responsible for the company's Hazardous Materials Response and Crisis Management and Fire Safety programs. Hauer produced a series of hazardous materials training videos that earned him the International Film andTV Critics of New York Bronze award in 1986.

In the early 1990s, Hauer got his first contacts to military and biodefense.

Hauer received a master's degree in emergency medical services from the Johns Hopkins School of Hygiene and Public Health. Then he became member of the Johns Hopkins Working Group on Civilian Bio Defense, where he wrote various articles about a possible bioterrorist attack.
http://iml.dartmouth.edu/ists/hauer.html

In 1998, he started working at the OEM (Office for Emergency Management) in New York.

In the same year, Hauer and anthrax suspect Hatfill both supported the CFR as experts in their respective fields. The CFR is an acronym for Council on Foreign Relations, one of the most important think-tanks advising the US government, as well as many other governments abroad.

CFR members include the Pentagon's top advisers, Richard Perle, Henry Kissinger, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, ex-CIA chief James Woolsey, biosciences specialist Joshua Lederberg, and many others.

On May 28, 1998, Hatfill and Hauer spoke together at the same CFR meeting about "Building a 'Biobomb': Terrorist Challenge"
http://www.cfr.org/public/resource.cgi?meet!102

Hatfill was at that time also Senior Research Associate at the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute for Infectious Diseases (=USAMRIID)

Hauer seems to specialize in the art of holding down several different jobs at the same time. While he started to work for the NIH in September 2001, he remained a Managing Director at Kroll Associates - the official security and bodyguard company for all American presidents since World War II!

With Hauer's many sources of insider information (e.g. Kroll/President bodyguards) , it makes sense that he also knew about the CIA briefing for George Bush on August 6, 2001, about warnings of an imminent terrorist "attack with planes."

Hauer is still trying to save the world.

On November 6th, 2001 he participated in the "Independent Task Force on America's Response to Terrorism" at the CFR. Participants there included James J. Zogby (President of the Arab American Institute and Central Asian Enterprise Fund), Newton L. Gingrich (Chief Executive Officer, The Gingrich Group), Harold Brown (former secretary of defense and counselor at CSIS: the Center for Strategic and International Studies), Henry A. Kissinger (Senior Fellow in National Security and European Affairs), Richard C. Holbrooke (Counselor, CFR and Vice Chairman of Perseus, LLC) and Philip A. Odeen (Executive Vice President, Washington Operations of TRW, Inc. and CEO of Reynolds + Reynolds, Dayton).

Their agenda, eight weeks after the attack of Sept. 11, was strange indeed:
http://www.cfr.org/Public/publications/ ... om_TF.html

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http://memes.org/modules.php?op=modload ... =0&thold=0



http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailyp ... and-securi

Gov. Cuomo Names Jerome Hauer Commissioner Of State Division of Homeland Security (Updated)
BY CELESTE KATZ
Gov. Cuomo has nominated Jerome Hauer for Commissioner of the state Division of Homeland Security and Emergency Services. He's also appointed Steven Kuhr to Executive Deputy Commissioner of the division and director of the state Office of Emergency Management.

"No one is better suited than Jerry and Steve to continue that record with New York's Division of Homeland Security and Emergency Services. They are experts in their fields and bring ample experience from both the public and private sectors that will strengthen our operations and make this vital agency work better for New Yorkers," Cuomo said.

Hauer is currently CEO of The Hauer Group, an emergency services consulting firm that provides customized emergency management solutions to public and private clients around the world. Earlier, he was a co-chair of of the homeland security practice of Fleishman-Hillard Government Relations.

From 2002 to 2003, Hauer was Acting Assistant Secretary for the Office of Public Health Emergency Preparedness at the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

He served under former Mayor Rudy Giuliani as head of NYC OEM from 1996-2000, but later broke with him over statements Giuliani made about 9/11.

An expert on biological warfare, Hauer was at the helm of the city's emergency management system when NYC opened a $13 million new crisis center in the World Trade Center. In later reports, Giuliani insisted that was Hauer's recommendation, although documents suggested Hauer and then-NYPD Commissioner Howard Safir had spoken out against the location.

Hauer has also served as the Director of the Department of Emergency Management for the State of Indiana under Gov. Evan Bayh. He earned his B.A. from New York University in 1976 and his M.H.S. from Johns Hopkins University School of Hygiene and Public Health in 1978.

Update: It's worth mentioning that Hauer is the second former top Giuliani aide Cuomo has nominated to a major job this month. He also picked former Giuliani deputy Joe Lhota to run the MTA.

Kuhr currently serves as President and Chief Operating Officer of Strategic Emergency Group LLC, an emergency management and homeland security consulting firm where he oversees projects for the DHSES, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, Office for People with Developmental Disabilities and the U.S. Department of Defense as well as various private sector clients.

Before his private sector career, Kuhr worked for NYC for 20 years, including a stints as Deputy Director for Operations and Planning for the Office of Emergency Management and Chief and Division Captain of EMS Special Operations with the FDNY.

Kuhr has taught at FEMA's Emergency Management Institute and the DOD.

He holds a B.S. degree in Emergency Management Administration from State University of New York and is currently completing an M.S. in Homeland Security Management from Long Island University. He graduated as a paramedic from the Albert Einstein School of Medicine.



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Meet Jerome Hauer, 9/11 Suspect Awaiting Indictment
Posted by seemslikeadream on Tue May-29-07 04:37 PM


http://winterpatriot.blogspot.com /


Ladies and Gentlemen, meet Jerome Hauer, director of the Office of Public Health Preparedness.



On September 11, 2001, Jerome Hauer was a national security advisor with the National Institute of Health, a managing director with Kroll Associates, and a guest on national television. His background in counter-terror and his specialized knowledge of biological warfare served him well on that day. Perhaps a little too well.
Anthrax Attacks
On September 11, 2001, Jerome Hauer advised the White House to begin taking Cipro, an antibiotic which is effective against anthrax.

Mr. Hauer's advice was not made public. Its value may have been underestimated at the time, but it was clearly demonstrated a week later, when the first anthrax letters appeared, and again three weeks after that, when anthrax appeared in letters to Democratic Senators Daschle and Leahy.

The obvious question is: Did Jerome Hauer know about the anthrax attacks in advance?
Prior Knowledge?
Strangely, perhaps, this is not the first time questions of prior knowledge have surfaced in Jerome Hauer's wake.

Jerome Hauer joined New York City's Office of Emergency Management (OEM) in 1998 and quickly obtained funding from the office of then-mayor Rudy Giuliani for the study of West Nile virus. The following year the virus appeared in the city, and Jerome Hauer led the fumigation effort.

Did Jerome Hauer know this was going to happen? Or did he just get "lucky"?

And how could anyone know such a thing was going to happen? Unless ... unless ...
The Sound Of Two Feet Dragging
Strangely, perhaps, Jerome Hauer managed the NIH response to the anthrax attacks. The anthrax used in the attacks was identified as an Ames strain, which means it had to have come from the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID) at Fort Detrick, Maryland.

Jerome Hauer received relatively good information for tracking down the origin of the anthrax. He even got a list of people from various institutes, including USAMRIID at Fort Detrick. But his response was slow and hidden behind a public relations campaign spreading Orwellian claims like "Suspects are Osama bin Laden and his Al-Q'aeda network and sympathizers to US right wing extremists".

Why would he act so slowly, and in such an inappropriate fashion? Perhaps because Jerome Hauer knew someone whose name was on that list?

Stephen Hatfill, at one time considered a prime suspect in this still-unsolved case, had worked for USAMRIID at Fort Detrick. Strangely, perhaps, he had also worked with Jerome Hauer, for Scientific Applications International Corporation, at the Center for Counterterrorism Technology and Analysis.


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Posted by seemslikeadream on Tue Feb-27-07 11:20 AM

http://winterpatriot.blogspot.com /


Ladies and Gentlemen, meet Jerome Hauer, director of the Office of Public Health Preparedness.



On September 11, 2001, Jerome Hauer was a national security advisor with the National Institute of Health, a managing director with Kroll Associates, and a guest on national television. His background in counter-terror and his specialized knowledge of biological warfare served him well on that day. Perhaps a little too well.
Anthrax Attacks
On September 11, 2001, Jerome Hauer advised the White House to begin taking Cipro, an antibiotic which is effective against anthrax.

Mr. Hauer's advice was not made public. Its value may have been underestimated at the time, but it was clearly demonstrated a week later, when the first anthrax letters appeared, and again three weeks after that, when anthrax appeared in letters to Democratic Senators Daschle and Leahy.

The obvious question is: Did Jerome Hauer know about the anthrax attacks in advance?
Prior Knowledge?
Strangely, perhaps, this is not the first time questions of prior knowledge have surfaced in Jerome Hauer's wake.

Jerome Hauer joined New York City's Office of Emergency Management (OEM) in 1998 and quickly obtained funding from the office of then-mayor Rudy Giuliani for the study of West Nile virus. The following year the virus appeared in the city, and Jerome Hauer led the fumigation effort.

Did Jerome Hauer know this was going to happen? Or did he just get "lucky"?

And how could anyone know such a thing was going to happen? Unless ... unless ...
The Sound Of Two Feet Dragging
Strangely, perhaps, Jerome Hauer managed the NIH response to the anthrax attacks. The anthrax used in the attacks was identified as an Ames strain, which means it had to have come from the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID) at Fort Detrick, Maryland.

Jerome Hauer received relatively good information for tracking down the origin of the anthrax. He even got a list of people from various institutes, including USAMRIID at Fort Detrick. But his response was slow and hidden behind a public relations campaign spreading Orwellian claims like "Suspects are Osama bin Laden and his Al-Q'aeda network and sympathizers to US right wing extremists".

Why would he act so slowly, and in such an inappropriate fashion? Perhaps because Jerome Hauer knew someone whose name was on that list?

Stephen Hatfill, at one time considered a prime suspect in this still-unsolved case, had worked for USAMRIID at Fort Detrick. Strangely, perhaps, he had also worked with Jerome Hauer, for Scientific Applications International Corporation, at the Center for Counterterrorism Technology and Analysis.


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from bobthedrummer

48. It gets really interesting when you examine who was promoting Cipro use
immediately after 9/11 but well before any hint that there was an anthrax (specifically anthrax-that's what Cipro is for) or any other biological threat.

The mainmen on this were HHS Sect. Tommy Thompson and the fellow he had just hired from SAIC (on 9-10-2001!) JEROME HAUER.

Last I heard, Mr. Hauer was in charge of public bio-defense efforts.


At a minimum 9/11 was LIHOP. Why no arrests in the ANTHRAX attacks against media and Democrats that also killed and harmed a lot of innocent US Postal Service employees?????

Tommy Thompson stood around boasting of his negotiating skills with the former I.G. Farben company, BAYER, for 300 million doses of Cipro while US Postal Service employees were working in anthrax HOT ZONE's.

I'm just getting started about this as I live in Wisconsin and suffered under Tommy Thompson for many years. One of his real pals is Charles Murray, the American eugenicist that co-authored "The Bell Curve" and was hired by Tommy Thompson to help draft the Wisconsin Works/W2 welfare reform bill that has since been adopted as the Federal model for welfare reform.

These bastards cannot keep getting away with murder, they have names.
Keep naming them brother!

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Posted by Octafish

Anthrax investigation still active. Why no mention of White House Cipro?

Strange that the White House volk were prescribed the antibiotic Cipro on 9-11, before the Anthrax attacks. Not that there's anything wrong with preventive medicine. Treason's another matter.

Anthrax investigation still ‘active’

FBI has not solved 2001 postal attacks.

Published Saturday, March 19, 2005

WASHINGTON (AP) - The anthrax false alarm this week served as a reminder that federal authorities still haven’t caught whoever was responsible for the all-too-real attacks in 2001 that left five people dead.

No arrests have been made, and no charges filed in the case the FBI has dubbed Amerithrax. Attorneys and scientists who have followed the investigation - and at times been touched by it - say they see no evidence of recent activity.

Debra Weierman, spokeswoman for the FBI’s Washington field office, disputed that. She said 30 FBI agents and 15 postal inspectors are assigned to the anthrax investigation, and more than 5,000 grand jury subpoenas have been issued.

"The investigation remains intensely active," Weierman said.

Steven Hatfill, the one person identified by former Attorney General John Ashcroft as a "person of interest" in the case, has filed suit against Ashcroft and the government, asserting they ruined his reputation. Hatfill has repeatedly said he had nothing to do with the anthrax-tainted letters that scared a jittery nation a month after the Sept. 11 attacks.

CONTINUED...

http://www.showmenews.com/2005/Mar/20050319News016.asp


White House began giving CIPRO to White House Aids on Sept 11

Tue, 23 Oct 2001 22:50:59 -0400

White House Mail Machine Has Anthrax

By Sandra Sobieraj
Associated Press Writer
Tuesday, Oct. 23, 2001; 8:11 p.m. EDT

WASHINGTON –– President Bush said confidently Tuesday that "I don't have anthrax" after biohazard testing at the White House and the discovery of anthrax on a mail-opening machine at a screening facility six miles away.

All White House mail – more than 40,000 letters a week – is examined at military facilities across the Potomac River.

"Let me put it this way," Bush said. "I'm confident that when I come to work tomorrow, I'll be safe."

Asked if he was tested for the germ that has killed three people already this month, or if he was taking precautionary antibiotics, Bush replied simply: "I don't have anthrax."

At least some White House personnel were given Cipro six weeks ago. White House officials won't discuss who might be receiving the anthrax-treating antibiotic now.

CONTINUED CACHE SOURCE...

http://lists.essential.org/pipermail/ip ... 02225.html

Speaking of treason, what's up with the Secret Team biowarfare fart from Phoenix?


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Jerome M. Hauer
Assistant Vice President, Science Applications International Corporation
Associate Director, Center for Counterterrorism Technology & Analysis

Jerome M. Hauer, one of the nation's leading experts on biological and chemical terrorism, recently left his post as Director of New York City's Office of Emergency Management (OEM) to join Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC). Hauer, who served four years as the City's first OEM Director, will be SAIC's Assistant Vice President and Associate Director of Center for Counterterrorism Technology and Analysis.

During his tenure at OEM, Hauer was charged by the Mayor with coordinating the City's on-scene response to multi-agency emergencies. He was also given the responsibility of drafting the City's emergency response plans to natural and man-made events, including hurricanes and coastal flooding, as well as biological or chemical attacks.

Hauer has a Masters degree from the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health and over 20 years of experience in emergency management. He was recently selected to be one of six scientists to brief President Clinton on biological terrorism and has been asked by the World Health Organization to co-author a rewrite of its 1970 monograph on chemical and biological weapons. Hauer consults regularly with Scotland Yard and the Israeli military, and worked extensively with the Australian Government in its preparations for the 2000 Summer Olympics.

Hauer has served on the National Academy of Sciences Institute of Medicine's Committee to Evaluate R&D Needs for Improved Civilian Medical Response to Chemical or Biological Terrorism Incidents, and is an advisor the United States Capitol Police and the United States Marine Corps' Chemical-Biological Incident Response Force (C-BIRF). Hauer is also a member of the Johns Hopkins Working Group on Civilian Bio Defense, and is an advisor to the Department of Justice's Office of Justice Programs.
more
http://iml.dartmouth.edu/ists/hauer.html

The former director of New York’s Office of Emergency Management on what’s being done at ‘Ground Zero’Newsweek Web ExclusiveSept. 14 - Following the 1993 terrorist attack at the World Trade Center, Jerome M. Hauer was named the first-ever director and commissioner of the Mayor’s Office of Emergency Management (OEM) for the City of New York. The office was designated as the center that would coordinate all agencies in times of crisis, and create its systems and protocols.

THE OEM DIRECTS the city’s overall emergency-response planning, as well as specialized planning for response to chemical, biological and nuclear-related incidents. Hauer also directed the design and implementation of New York City’s state-of-the-art Emergency Operations Center situated on the 23rd floor of 7 World Trade Center, a bunker that went unused in the Tuesday’s explosions because of its proximity to the disaster (WTC 7 collapsed later that day).
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http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3069634 /


Terror: Who is Jerome "Jerry" Hauer?

Jerome Hauer, Human Health Institute, is the man who put John O'Neill at the WTC and tipped the White House off to Cipro.
Very interesting stuff.....

"Very few cities at this point in time are prepared to manage the consequences of bio-terrorist attack."
Jerry Hauer in an interview with Eyewitness News, October 1, 2001

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/WABC_i ... error.html


In May 2002, Jerome Hauer became director of the federal Office of Public Health Preparedness (OPHP), succeeding Dr. D. A. Henderson from Johns Hopkins Institute.

Why is Jerome Hauer not making national news yet?

He's becoming famous on the Internet. Not only for Republicans, who appreciate his long fight against bioterrorism, which he started three to four years ago.

Hauer is also controversial among those who are able to connect the dots between his person and shady business deals in biopharmacy since 1998.

More interesting, he seems to have had prior knowledge about both so called terrorist-attacks: September 11th and Anthrax.

But many private investigators claim since months, he let the attacks happen on purpose to continue his career.

Is Hauer LIHOP suspect No.1?

He started to work for the NIH under Tommy Thompson on September 10, 2001 as an adviser on national security. On September 11th, he told the White House to take Cipro, the antibiotic that works against the anthrax virus, without bothering to reveal his warning to the American nation.
http://www.bayarea.com/mld/bayarea/living/health/302050 ...

The watchdog group JudicialWatch decided to file a lawsuit against the NIH, but also against the FBI, CDC and the White House, for the same reason: Prior Knowledge.

It is not known how long Hauer worked at the NIH before Sept. 11, but we can confirm that he was working on Sept. 10.
http://www.lauriegarrett.com/wtc_day12.html

But things get really interesting when we consider that Jerome Hauer was also the man who in August 2001 arranged a new job for John O'Neill - the resigning chief of the FBI Terror Task Force - as head of security at the World Trade Center.

How did Hauer know that the Twin Towers would be so important?

We would like to ask John O' Neill, but there is one problem: O'Neill died in the towers on September 11th, one day after he started his job officially, according to the New Yorker.

Disturbingly, O'Neill has never been received the same hero status in the mass media as has been accorded to the fallen New York firefighters and police officers. His death has gone without the same fanfare. For 11 months his story went untold, with two big exceptions.

The two French intelligence specialists Brisard and Dasquie (see: http://intelligenceonline.fr ) published an interview with O'Neill taken before his death in their book, "Bin Laden: The Forbidden Truth." And articles on O'Neill were also published in the New Yorker and New York Magazine. Last week, TIME magazine also tried to remember him, but left out the most important angles.

This should change immediately.

There is obviously a lot which has been hidden from us, but for what reason?

This might have something to do with the FBI HQ (O'Neill complained about them), but also with Jerome Hauer - who is a friend of the current prime anthrax suspect, Stephen Hatfill, who was working for the military anthrax program USAMRIID at Fort Detrick and Battelle, a huge pharmacy company with many ties to the CIA.

Hauer and Hatfill worked together at the SAIC's Center for Counterterrorism Technology and Analysis in 1999. The SAIC (Scientific Applications International Corp) later received also a huge BioDefense budget in autumn 2001.

http://www.saic.com/news/nov99/news11-30a-99.html - (Hauer)
http://www.nandotimes.com/nation/story/455218p-3643441c ... - (Hatfill)

But first, more about Hauer:

In 1983, Hauer joined IBM where he was responsible for the company's Hazardous Materials Response and Crisis Management and Fire Safety programs. Hauer produced a series of hazardous materials training videos that earned him the International Film andTV Critics of New York Bronze award in 1986.

In the early 1990s, Hauer got his first contacts to military and biodefense.

Hauer received a master's degree in emergency medical services from the Johns Hopkins School of Hygiene and Public Health. Then he became member of the Johns Hopkins Working Group on Civilian Bio Defense, where he wrote various articles about a possible bioterrorist attack.
http://iml.dartmouth.edu/ists/hauer.html

In 1998, he started working at the OEM (Office for Emergency Management) in New York.

In the same year, Hauer and anthrax suspect Hatfill both supported the CFR as experts in their respective fields. The CFR is an acronym for Council on Foreign Relations, one of the most important think-tanks advising the US government, as well as many other governments abroad.

CFR members include the Pentagon's top advisers, Richard Perle, Henry Kissinger, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, ex-CIA chief James Woolsey, biosciences specialist Joshua Lederberg, and many others.

On May 28, 1998, Hatfill and Hauer spoke together at the same CFR meeting about "Building a 'Biobomb': Terrorist Challenge"
http://www.cfr.org/public/resource.cgi?meet!102

Hatfill was at that time also Senior Research Associate at the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute for Infectious Diseases (=USAMRIID)

Hauer seems to specialize in the art of holding down several different jobs at the same time. While he started to work for the NIH in September 2001, he remained a Managing Director at Kroll Associates - the official security and bodyguard company for all American presidents since World War II!

With Hauer's many sources of insider information (e.g. Kroll/President bodyguards) , it makes sense that he also knew about the CIA briefing for George Bush on August 6, 2001, about warnings of an imminent terrorist "attack with planes."

Hauer is still trying to save the world.

On November 6th, 2001 he participated in the "Independent Task Force on America's Response to Terrorism" at the CFR. Participants there included James J. Zogby (President of the Arab American Institute and Central Asian Enterprise Fund), Newton L. Gingrich (Chief Executive Officer, The Gingrich Group), Harold Brown (former secretary of defense and counselor at CSIS: the Center for Strategic and International Studies), Henry A. Kissinger (Senior Fellow in National Security and European Affairs), Richard C. Holbrooke (Counselor, CFR and Vice Chairman of Perseus, LLC) and Philip A. Odeen (Executive Vice President, Washington Operations of TRW, Inc. and CEO of Reynolds + Reynolds, Dayton).

Their agenda, eight weeks after the attack of Sept. 11, was strange indeed:
http://www.cfr.org/Public/publications/PubDiplom_TF.htm ...



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http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?020114fa_FACT1
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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