How to Overthrow the Illuminati

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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby brainpanhandler » Thu Sep 19, 2013 12:25 pm

I like this piece and the way it is carefully worded with provisional language.


Sounder » Thu Sep 19, 2013 7:09 am wrote:
http://jerome23.wordpress.com/category/atheism/
Chris Jensen Romer wrote:
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So to go back to those spiritualists — I must adopt an open minded approach as far as I can, given my prejudices, to the phenomena. I must attempt to be objective. If strong belief either way is allowed to interfere with my reading of the data, my science will be flawed. I will want to render the whole research as transparent and objective as possible.
So why disguise my Scientific investigation as something else, dressing it up as “sceptical”? If that term says nothing about my final position (which will be evidence based) why use the misleading “sceptic” term? I’m assuming that no one thinks one can scientifically investigate spiritualism’s reality with the conclusion already written – that would be appalling science – so why take on a label that seems to suggest one is doing exactly such a thing?


Agreed. But only because it carries such baggage. I avoid the term if possible, especially here, despite the fact that from an objective standpoint it could be a value free term. But language is rarely ever that.

Furthermore, imagine you think you have seen a ghost, or a bigfoot, or somesuch. You look in the phonebook – there is the local woo group with their YouTube video series, or the local SCEPTIC. Who will you go to? I doubt it will be the sceptic – even if you are unsure about exactly what you experienced, sceptic implies someone who won’t believe you.
Science is methodologically rigorous, critical thinking, and evidence based. Why do we need to add a Skeptic label?


We don't. But I don't really like being told who and where I can and cannot go for information. Like many, if not everyone here, I want total cognitive freedom to seek truth wherever it is to be found. This is not to say I am not discriminating, it should go without saying. I don't like wasting my time, excessively.



I suggest “Skeptics” stop trying to promote “scepticism”, and promote simpler easier to sell virtues, Truth and Science.[b] No one will react badly to you promising to use science and objectively look for the truth.


If only that were true. Here and irl it is appallingly common to be attacked for citing a mainstream scientific source or indeed for questioning the unexamined beliefs of others through the lens of science. If the science phobes would keep on their side of the fence I wouldn't have to trouble with them as much. I don't want intelligent design taught in our public schools.

I can only think of four reasons why the term Sceptic may be used…

2. It might be employed by people who think researching say ESP or Lake Monsters without setting out clearly they think it is all bunk will damage their university careers and funding. If so I sympathise, but your publications can speak for themselves, and I think the contrary implication that you are researching topics with your mind already made up as to the outcomes might do you rather more damage in much of academia than a predilection for studying slightly offbeat things.


I wonder if that is true. The experiences of John E. Mack at Harvard come to mind. I suspect Romer is being a bit more charitable toward academia than is warranted. But I don't know.
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby Sounder » Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:35 pm

We all have ‘issues’ with not feeling understood.

So, imagine my excitement early this morning, upon taking up the task of checking up on JREF, I find a most excellent exponent for my sort of thinking. Coming from a JREF comfortable or inspired perspective and yet still able to be skeptical of the skeptic.

Thank-you wombat.

The ineffable shines again.

Not withstanding the shortcomings of language, (most of us do aspire to be skeptics), the following thread represents a more through going skepticism than does a simplistic representation such as JREF presents. (Thanks in no small part to C2W?)

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=36608&hilit=Why+I+am+no+longer+a+skeptic.&start=15

H-C-E wrote…
Well, after all the discussion is done, and all that can be said
has been said, for me, it all comes down to this simple summation:

Unless skepticism is all-inclusive and unrelenting it's merely prejudice in disguise.
All these things will continue as long as coercion remains a central element of our mentality.
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby Searcher08 » Fri Sep 20, 2013 6:17 am

I think that having the ability to direct one's attention to look at a problem through multiple thinking lenses is really important AND also to be able to do this through multiple perspectives.
An example of this (or rather the lack of it) was a wargaming programme on TV in the UK which was looking at the Israeli military think tank wargame, the players in scenario planning for a possible Iranian conflict. They had Israeli members of the think tank play the Iranian roles.
To summarise the program, rather than walking a mile in the other person's shoes, these folks didnt even bother 'taking off their own boots' ;
what they were experiencing in the wargame was a mirror-chamber of their own Israeli thinking interacting with Israeli 'cartoon Iranian' thinking - using phrases full of 'obviously they would not retaliate' and 'they wouldnt dare' etc
I am certainly not an apologist for the Iranian regime, but it illustrated just how (literally) dangerous things can be if critical analysis is the only game in town. An hour of desktop research on the Iran-Iraq war would have presented very different information...
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby brainpanhandler » Fri Sep 20, 2013 9:16 am

Sounder » Thu Sep 19, 2013 4:35 pm wrote:We all have ‘issues’ with not feeling understood.


Ain't that the truth, although it's not just a feeling. You and I and many others here often write with a brevity that is something akin to a message in a bottle. Brevity might be the soul of wit but it's not often the light of clarity. We hope to be understood without all the work of fully explaining our thoughts over and over. It's one of the reasons I really like that piece by romer you posted. His practical purpose in writing it was to be able to refer people to it. Maybe I will finally use the blog function here (and finally pony up some cash to our host) and do something similar.


H-C-E wrote:Well, after all the discussion is done, and all that can be said
has been said, for me, it all comes down to this simple summation:

Unless skepticism is all-inclusive and unrelenting it's merely prejudice in disguise.


viewtopic.php?f=8&t=36608&hilit=Why+I+am+no+longer+a+skeptic.&start=15


Without a doubt, but we might one day want to send a man to the moon or find a cure for cancer. But even more importantly how am I supposed to enjoy the ride if I can't suspend my sense of disbelief.
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby Luther Blissett » Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:03 am

TILA TEQUILA’S DESCENT INTO NAZISM, PARALLEL UNIVERSES, AND REPTILIAN ILLUMINATI WARRIORS
By Andy Cush | December 9, 2013 - 01:21PM
This morning, erstwhile American hero Tila Tequila posted a badly photoshopped picture to Facebook. In it, she holds a pistol in her right hand, with her left on her hip, as the apparent light of God pours out of the cloudy sky behind her. She’s wearing a red swastika armband and the unmistakable cap of the SS uniform. She’s standing in front of Auschwitz.

While no one was looking, two years after her apparent conversion to Judaism, Tila Tequila has reached perhaps what was the only possible conclusion to her trajectory: as an incoherent, Hitler-sympathizing, Illuminati-evangelizing, anti-Semitic conspiracy theorist.

“Tilisis is the GODDESS of LOVE & WAR! Learn your facts!” reads the caption on this morning’s photo, apparently referring to a goddess alter ego she’s created for herself. She’s responded to a few of the inevitable negative commenters, mostly to call them “racists” and link to a post on her blog entitled “Why I Sympathize With Hitler Part 1: True History Unveiled.”

In this excerpt from the post, she wink-wink, nudge-nudges that current governments might have something to learn from Der Führer.

Here is a man who was not a coward, stood up for his country in a DESPERATE TIME OF NEED (unlike all of our cowardly leaders), and yet not only did he try his best to help his country and people get out of what was a time of depression, economic collapse, high unemployment, amongst many other things… he lost the war AND was painted out to be a monster after his death. This is what breaks my heart.
On Friday, Tequila posted a Daily Mail article about James Marcus Howe, a director who’d worked on her show and was murdered in his Los Angeles home last month. Her lengthy caption seemed to revel in Howe’s death, and included the text, “GOD SEE’S [sic] YOU DIRTY FUCKING KIKES WORKING FOR THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN AND I HAVE RETURNED AS HIS MESSENGER!”


She’s been recording music, too. Her newest track, “It’s Going Down!” (touted as MUST HEAR on her site), sounds like it was recorded inside of a cardboard box with a Yak Bak for a mic.

Sample lyrics:

Jewluminati motherfuckers hate me
Oh no they don’t wanna date me
Nor you nor you nor you too
Worldwide Genocide blame it on the jews


Tequila also refers to herself as “Hitila” –an apparent portmanteau of, yes, “Hitler” and “Tila,” –and raps “So now they call me a Nazi/No, bitch, I’m just good at Yahtzee.”

As reprehensible as it is, I’d still rather listen to “It’s Going Down!” than her previous recording, which finds of Tila “speaking in tongues” over a martial horn loop, or the one before that, which consists of the phrases “I’m gonna do a little soundcheck” and “Turn up the bass” repeated ad nauseam in a grating Ying Yang Twins whisper.

There’s plenty of garden variety anti-Semitism on Tequila’s blog Facebook, and YouTube channel–we must stop the evil Jews who run the world’s banks and media, that sort of thing–but the theorizing gets several orders of magnitude more batshit than that. I’ll leave you with this, sad, insane excerpt from a post entitled “Dear Diary: The True Story of My Epic Life Battle in 3 Minutes!” about Tequila’s battles with reptilian agents of the Illuminati:

It was so strange because at that time I had no idea what was happening to me. All I knew was that it was all real. I looked up into the sky and a portal of light opened up! It was a circle and there were a bunch of Angels looking down on me, watching my battle. Then I flew up there to be with them and then it continues…. ’til this very day. Oh, except for the reptilians. After I slained 3 of them last year they have stopped bothering me. They DID however, ask me to join their team before the battle began. Of course I politely apologized before I turned down the deal and then BAM MOTHERFUCKER! The battle began!
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby Hammer of Los » Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:27 am

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bph wrote:Ain't that the truth, although it's not just a feeling. You and I and many others here often write with a brevity that is something akin to a message in a bottle. Brevity might be the soul of wit but it's not often the light of clarity. We hope to be understood without all the work of fully explaining our thoughts over and over.


That's true enough.

“So now they call me a Nazi/No, bitch, I’m just good at Yahtzee.”


And that's just funny.

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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby seemslikeadream » Sun Jan 18, 2015 1:08 pm

Alexander Cockburn

June 15, 2001

Meet The Secret Rulers of the World
The truth about the Bohemian Grove

Where's the fashionable rendezvous for the World's Secret Government? In the good old days when the Illuminati had a firm grip on things, it was wherever the Bilderbergers decided to pitch their tents. Then Nelson and David Rockefeller horned their way in, and the spotlight moved to the Trilateral Commission. Was there one secret government or two? Some said all the big decisions were taken in England, at Ditchley, not so far from the Appeasers' former haunts at Cliveden and only an hour by Learjet from Davos, which is where jumped up finance ministers and self-inflating tycoons merely pretend they rule the world.

Secret World rulers spend a good deal of time in the air, whisking from Davos to APEC meetings somewhere in Asia, to Ditchley, to Sun Valley, Idaho, tho' mercifully no longer to the Clinton-favored Renaissance Weekend in Hilton Head, South Carolina. But comes next July 14 and every self-respecting member of the Secret World Government will be in a gloomy grove of redwoods alongside the Russian river in northern California, preparing to Banish Care for the 122nd time, prelude to three weeks drinking gin fizzes and hashing out the future of the world.

If the avenging posses mustered by the Bohemian Grove Action Network manage this year to burst through the security gates at the Bohemian Grove, they will (to extrapolate from numerous eyewitness accounts of past sessions) find proofs most convincing to them that here indeed is the ruling crowd in executive session: hundreds of near-dead white men sitting by a lake listening to Henry Kissinger.

The avenging posses may find some puzzling elements within the Grove. Why, for example, are at least 80 percent of the Bohemians in a state of intoxication so advanced that many of them had fallen insensible among the ferns, gin fizz glasses gripped firmly 'til the last? Why so many games of dominoes? Why the evidence that a significant portion of the Secret Government appear to be involved in some theatrical production, involving the use of women's clothes and lavish application of make-up?

Many an empire has of course been run by drunken men wearing make-up. But a long, hard look at the Bohemian Club, its members and appurtenances, suggests that behind the pretense of Secret Government lies the reality of a summer camp for a bunch of San Francisco businessmen, real estate plungers and lawyers who long ago had the cunning to recruit some outside megawattage (e.g., Herbert Hoover, a Rockefeller, Richard Nixon) to turn their mundane frolicking into the simulacrum of Secret Government and make the yokels gape.

The simulacrum isn't half bad. For Republicans the club is an antechamber to the White House. Teddy Roosevelt was a member. So, as noted, was Herbert Hoover. In his memoirs Hoover wrote that within one hour of Calvin Coolidge's announcement in 1927 that he would not run again, "a hundred men – editors, publishers, public officials and others from all over the country who were at the Grove, came to my camp demanding that I announce my candidacy." Hoover was at the Grove again the following summer, as he had been with some considerable regularity since 1911, when news came that Republicans had chosen him for their candidate.

A speech to the industrial and financial titans clustered for one of the Grove's famous lakeside talks could make or break a candidacy. After a poor reception, Nelson Rockefeller abandoned his bid for the Republican nomination in 1964. Richard Nixon, like Hoover a member of the Cave Man's camp inside the Grove, got a rapturous reception in 1967 and pressed forward to the nomination and the White House. It was at the Bohemian Grove that America's nuclear weapons program was first devised by physicists such as Grove members Ernest O. Lawrence and Edward Teller – meeting with other members who were then in government, all confident of the security of the redwood clubhouse built by Bernard Maybeck (my favorite of all American architects) in 1904.

European leaders travel discreetly to the Grove to address the American elite. German chancellor Helmut Schmidt (not to be confused with Club members Chauncey E. Schmidt or Jon Eugene Schmidt) strolled its paths with club member Henry Kissinger, as did French socialist leader Michael Rocard. Where else could such men hope to chat privately with the head of IBM, a couple of Rockefellers, bankers galore, a Justice of the US Supreme Court and Charlton Heston? Even the prickly Lee Kuan Yew hastened to visit the club, only to have the mortification of being mistaken for a waiter.

The Bohemian Club began as a San Francisco institution in 1872, founded by journalists and kindred lowly scriveners as an excuse for late-night boozing. Its membership was dignified by Jack London, Mark Twain, Bret Harte and other literary roustabouts who had fetched up in the city after the Gold Rush.

The hacks soon concluded that Bohemianism, in the sense of real poverty, was oppressive. "It was decided," clubman Ed Bosque wrote, "we should invite an element to join the Club which the majority of its members held in contempt, namely men who had money as well as brains, but who were not, strictly speaking, Bohemians." So they pulled in a few wealthy men of commerce to pay for the champagne and the rot soon set in. Within a very few years the lowly scriveners were on their way out, except for a few of the more presentable among them to lend a pretense of Boho-dom – and Mammon had seized power.

There were laments. "The salt has been washed out of the Club by commercialism," one writer grumbled. On his visit to the city, Oscar Wilde gazed around at the fleshy faces and handsomely attired members and remarked, "I have never seen so many well-dressed, well-fed, businesslike looking bohemians in all my life."

The final blow to the hacks came soon thereafter. Near the end of the last century the cult of the redwood grove as Nature's cathedral was in full swing and the Boho-businessmen yearned to give their outings a tincture of spiritual uplift. The long-range planning committee of the club decided to buy a grove some sixty miles north of the city near the town of Monte Rio. When the wheeling and dealing was over, the club owned 2,700 acres of redwoods, a grove of the mightiest of thousand-year-old Sequoia sempervirens:

"We are grown men now," a piece of club literature announced in the early 1920s, "but each year in the hard procession of our days there comes, thank God, to us Bohemians, a recess time – it is upon us. Come out, Bohemians. Come out and play!" Soon the ancient redwoods, hated by the Pomo Indians of the area as clammy and sepulchral, rang to the laughter of the disporting men of commerce.

When all is said and done, the way the beleaguered American male asserts his personhood, defies convention, hails the American dream, is to piss against a tree. Indeed, when confronted with a sex-discrimination suit a few years ago, the Bohemians indignantly asserted that theirs had to be a Men Only institution precisely because any woman entering the club's precincts would see nothing but men occupied in this crude pastime.

Like all such institutions the club has its rituals, its ceremonies, its hallowed rules. In June there are three long weekends of Springjinks, mostly attended by Californians. At the opening of each summer season proper, on July 14 this year, there is the traditional masque, representing the banishment of Care. Amid somber music, horses carrying caped riders gallop through the trees. Then, eerily picked out by torchlight, robed tycoons move slowly into a clearing with a bier supporting the effigy of Care. Amid stentorian chants, a blare of music and leaping flames, Care is finally cremated. In its place the flame of eternal friendship is ignited and three weeks of Boho-dom are underway.

This amalgam of pop Druidry, Klan kitsch and Fraserian mumbo-jumbo stems from the nineteenth-century passion for "ancient ritual." Two thousand miles away, at the other end of the continent, the same impulse produced Mardi Gras in New Orleans, with its Mystick Krewe, its Elves of Oberon and the tribute paid by Rex to Comus. Many of the Boho rituals and its first play, The Triumph of Bohemia, were worked up by a real estate speculator called George Sterling who took to poesy and Boho-dom late in life and banished Care permanently in 1926 by taking strychnine in the Club's city premises.

A college kid I'll call Tom – the arm of the Secret Government is, after all, far-reaching – worked at the Bohemian Grove each summer for three years in the middle 1990s. At that time (and I doubt things have changed) the basic wage for the very ample force required to assist in the banishing of Care was not handsome – $5 to $6 an hour. But Tom worked for an independent contractor supplying food and help and got $125 a day plus tips (officially banned at the Grove) and ended up with $3,000 for his three-week stint.

Tom's day began at 5:30 a.m., preparing for breakfast. The Bohemian Club is set up along frat house lines. Instead of Deltas and Pi Etas there are camps, some 120 in all, stretching along River Road and Morse Stephens canyon. Their names follow the imaginative arc of American industrialists and financiers over the past hundred years, from Druids to Hillbillies (George Bush, Walter Cronkite, William F. Buckley), Isle of Aves (John E. Du Pont), Meyerling, Owl's Nest (Eddie Albert, Ronald Reagan), Silverado Squatters, Totem Inn (which has actually boasted a writer, Allen Drury), Woof (former Secretary of State James A. Baker III), Wayside Log (which has boasted another writer, Herman Wouk), Ye Merrie Yowls, Zaca.

The camp Tom lived and worked at was thick with real estate tycoons and had a reputation for good food and comfortable appointments. Tom fixed the early morning gin fizzes and kindred cobweb banishers. He got the papers – San Francisco Chronicle, Wall Street Journal, New York Times. He cleaned up the mess left by the Bohos' nocturnal revels. He served up the fruits, juices, eggs and bacon and listened to captains of commerce start their day's chat about business affairs. The club has a famous motto, "weaving spiders not come here," meaning No shop talk, but Tom laughs. "They talk business here all the time. The younger members brown-nose shamelessly, making contacts." By midmorning it's another day in Bohemia, with Tom's hands never idle as he runs up Old Fashioneds and Manhattans. The members prefer to mix their own martinis.

Though he was no career man at the Grove Tom had already taken on a caustic loyalty to his camp. He sneered at nearby Abbey, a lowly place equipped merely with tents and believed to have a tradition of unmentionable practices. He sneered too, though more deferentially, at lordly Mandalay camp, inaccessible save by written invitation by a member, luxuriously appointed and stocked with the Membership Committee's most determined stab at the pretense of Secret Government. Here are to be found members of the Bechtel clan, owners of the largest engineering contractorship in the world, veterans of Republican Washington of the era of Gerorge Bush Sr. (former Treasury Secretary Nick Brady, former Secretary of State George Shultz), souvenirs of industrial might (Leonard K. Firestone. Edgar F. Kaiser), 1970s retro (Gerald Ford, Henry Kissinger) and foreign bric-a-brac (Andrew Knight of The Economist).

The waiting lists for membership are so long it takes years for the novitiate to be admitted. Lobbying is pathetically fierce. Tom Watson, the builder of IBM, once took a long weekend off from his retirement job as US ambassador to Moscow to fly to San Francisco to dine with a Bohemian Grove board member and discreetly lobby for membership. A friend of mine, big in Reagan's time, has been on the doorstep for 15 years. He says he likes it that way. He's spared the hefty signup fee of around $10,000 and annual membership dues and only has to pony up when he's invited, which is every two or three years. Particularly in the more sumptuous camps even this takes plenty of money, sharing bills for retinues of uniformed servants, vintage cellars, master chefs and kindred accouterments of spiritual refreshment. But what, in the end, does the member get for his pains?

There are lakeside talks. Here, of an evening, Grovers can hear a banker or a Treasury official wend his way through the intricacies of Third World debt rescheduling, or listen to a European leader who will offer himself up for inspection. There are increasingly popular science talks at the Bohemian Grove's museum. During the day there are enviro-strolls with some biologist from Stanford or Berkeley lecturing his retinue on successional stages in redwood regeneration. There's skeet-shooting on the private range. There's endless dominoes, the Grove's board-game par excellence. There's Not Being At Home with the wife. But best of all, there are the talent revue and the play.

Visit some corporate suite in San Francisco in June or early July and if you see the CEO brooding thoughtfully before his plate-glass window overlooking the Bay Bridge, the chances are he is not thinking about some impending takeover or merciless down-sizing. He is probably worrying about the cut of his tutu for the drag act for which he has been rehearsing keenly for many months.

These plays are planned five years in advance, with no expense spared. Tycoons vie eagerly for the privilege of shifting a stage prop or securing the best computerized lighting system that money can provide. Although the talent shows put on by Merv Griffin and Art Linkletter were reckoned at least in past years to be good, the plays are pretty awful, heavily freighted with double-entendres about swollen members and the like. A poster for one Grove play, Pompeii, featured a mighty erection under a toga, modeled no doubt on the redoubtable organ in the Pompeiian fresco photographed by many a touring tycoon.

Along with the big play there is the comedy revue – Low Jinks – for which members again rehearse with passionate anticipation. World affairs stood still a few seasons ago as Henry Kissinger prepared for his big moment, which was to enter, dressed as a dumpy man wearing a Kissinger mask which he duly pulled off, to reveal the ever-familiar features, while announcing in his glottal accent, "I am here because I have always been convinced that The Low Jinks is the ultimate aphrodisiac." Puissance – this is after all a mature crowd scampering about amid the Sequoia sempervirens – is a big theme, and the drag acts are heavily overstated.

Boho-member Wouk once got off a sententious paragraph about the Grove being the site of that purest of loves, the friendship that men can nourish between each other in noble surroundings. Some years ago a gay writer called Ron Bluestein described his stint waitering at the Grove in a very funny pamphlet, "A Waitress in Bohemia," in which he evoked the below-the-stairs homosexual culture fostered by a workforce mostly recruited from San Francisco. Some anthropologists of Boho culture even believe that the Grove is now encircled with gay residential suburbs that have inevitably sprung up to accommodate these migrants.

Informed sources discount these stories somewhat. Of course there are gay waiters and gay bohemians too, discreetly cruising River Road, but it seems that it was back in the 1970s things got somewhat out of hand. The Club took certain measures and things are now under control.

Along with its most definitely closet contingent, the club also has about 2,000 heterosexuals cooped up for the summer retreat, with no women officially on the premises except for a daily minibus of female cleaners – the consequence of a lawsuit brought by feminists a few years ago – which can go no farther into the Grove than the Camp Fire circle, 400 yards from the Main Gate. Randy members break bounds and head for such straight cruising spots as the Northwood Lodge and Country Club where vigorously bejeweled women in their thirties are to be found

A few years ago KGO radio, out of San Francisco, had an interesting talk show in which callers with firsthand Grove experience told their tales. A man from Monte Rio said he was only one of several townspeople renting cabins every year to prostitutes traveling from as far as Las Vegas to renew the Bohos' spiritual fibers. He said it was a big shot in the arm for Monte Rio's ailing economy. This same caller moved from shots in the arm to shots in another location. He said he stocked his cabins with plenty of booze as well as syringes of a potency drug recently approved by the Food and Drug Administration which furnishes four to six-hour erections. Sempervirens indeed. The Monte Rio caller added that at least this quotient of Secret Government included good tippers, doling out splendid gratuities to their companions.

In the 1990s the Grove's reputation as the site of Secret Government was in eclipse. The Mandalay camp roster told the story, with its grizzled veterans of the Reagan-Bush years. The contours of the Republican Party had changed, in a manner not entirely suited to the Club. The young Christian zealots of the Newt revolution were scarcely Low Jinksters, and Newt – he did give a lakeside talk in 1995 – was a little too tacky in style for the gin fizz set. Dole wasn't even a member and with Bill and Hillary in office, journalists dashed off each year to the Carolina coast to write about the Renaissance Weekend at Hilton Head where the idiom was of the 1990s – self-awareness, being in touch with your inner self, networking – rather than the 1890s – making merrie, getting drunk and using the Old Boy Net.

But here we are in the Bush II era, and the Bush Clan is pure Secret Government, all the way from the old Rockefeller connection, to Skull and Bones and the Knights of Malta. Dick Cheney's a Grover.

So spare yourself the expense of traveling from Quebec to the next session of the WTO. Voyage to Sonoma County and muster against Secret World Government which, let's face it, isn't exactly secret. For the Rally and Line of Shame, be at the Monte Rio parking lot across from the Rio theater at 2pm, July 14.

For further details, call the Bohemian Grove Action Network, whose Mary Moore has been chivvying the Grovers for twenty years, at 707-874-2248 or check out





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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby Luther Blissett » Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:06 pm

Obama Admits: "There Are Black Helicopters"

Appearing on Marc Maron’s podcast today, President Obama addressed what is perhaps one of the longest-living conspiracies in America: the existence of black helicopters. They’re real!

“There are black helicopters,” he said, “but we generally don’t deploy them on U.S. soil.”

(Black helicopters, on the simplest level, are helicopters intentionally painted black, with sound-suppression and low radar signature—the kind of helicopter intended to conduct operations like the penetration of Pakistani airspace, as in the killing of Osama bin Laden in 2011, and the kind eternally claimed by conspiracy theorists to be used by the U.S. government for various nefarious missions.)

I say hooray for transparency, but, of course, the president is wrong, wrong, and wrong. I don’t just mean on the terminology. They are indeed “deployed” on U.S. soil (that is, they are based in the United States), and they are also used there. Obama was probably referring to the black Army helicopters of the Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) headquartered at Ft. Campbell, Kentucky, but there are actually black helicopters belonging to at least three departments and at a dozen potential locations inside the United States—more on this below.

But what is Obama saying, anyway? That they never train? That they never participate in exercises? That they never “deploy” in support of operations? With all of the news about the fleet of FBI aviation aircraft and the Jade Helm exercise, are you really claiming that “generally” is supposed to mean: Never, or hardly ever? I’m sorry, Mr. President, but you aren’t up to date, and you don’t spend enough time looking at the skies, which are filled with federal and law enforcement helicopters, aircraft, drones, and who knows what else, prying and spying and also engaged in other secret missions: continuity of government, nuclear emergency, border and drug surveillance.

And it doesn’t help matters that one of the main helicopters is called Blackhawk, which leads to headlines such as Black Hawk helicopter to fly over East Massachusetts (which appeared in the Boston Globe this week) because the military is itself confused as to whether the helicopters are Blackhawks (one word) or Black Hawk (two).

We’ve know for decades that the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment (SOAR) which supports JSOC and these types of operations, flies black helicopters. And since 9/11, that Regiment has doubled in size, with the addition of a 3rd and 4th Battalion.

1st and 2nd battalions, Ft. Campbell, Kentucky.
3rd Battalion, 160th SOAR, Hunter Army Airfield, Georgia
4th Battalion, 160th SOAR, Ft. Lewis, Washington
JSOC also has a unit called the Aviation Tactical and Evaluation Group at Ft. Bragg, North Carolina, which flies the most secret helicopters in support of clandestine missions.

And then there’s the FBI Hostage Rescue Team (HRT) at Quantico, Virginia, which has its own helicopter unit doing most of its work inside the United States. That’s the Department of Justice, but it is about as military as military could be.

And what about the apparatus of something called JEEP, the Joint Emergency Evacuation Plan for whisking away presidential successors and VIPs? The helicopters for these missions belong to the Army (at Ft. Belvoir, Virginia), the Marine Corps (at Anacostia Naval Station), and the Air Force (at Andrews AFB, Maryland). And additional helicopters from naval bases in southern Maryland augment that force when middle-of-the-night missions are required.

And that’s not to mention other agencies and departments suspected of having their own black helicopters, including the Immigration and Customs Enforcement Office of Air and Marine Operations, U.S. Marshals Services, the U.S. Park Police and the U.S. Capitol Police, all of whom would be mobilized to support federal government emergencies and missions in an emergency. Let’s add to that list the helicopters belonging to the DC, Maryland and Virginia National Guards, which all have “wartime” domestic missions. How many of them can fly black?

And then there’s weird helicopter units we barely know a thing about. Take the Eastern Measurements Office, part of the Nevada Operations Office of the Department of Energy and based as Andrews AFB in Maryland. Their job is nuclear radiation search/detection program and most of their activities are secreted under special access programs.

Oh, and there’s also Air Force Special Operations Command in Florida and New Mexico and SEAL Team 6/Naval Special Warfare Development Group in southern Virginia; and naval special operators in San Diego, and the Northern Command apparatus at Ft. Sam Houston in Texas that directly supports border control, which of course is surveilled by three dozen helicopters of Customs and Border Protection Air and Marine Operations, which also flies Predator drones.

And let’s not forget the DEA. And just regular old cops.

Mr. President, it’s dark out there.

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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby Elvis » Thu Jun 25, 2015 4:42 pm

About ten years ago I saw four of them parked at Kirtland AFB in Albuquerque. Right next to the public airport. I had to chuckle as we taxied past them.
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Jun 25, 2015 4:51 pm

coffin_dodger » Tue Aug 27, 2013 3:13 pm wrote:LOL, even the title of this thread is slippery and misleading.



true dat

slippery and misleading ...I never expect anything more or less
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby BrandonD » Tue Jun 30, 2015 4:02 pm

brainpanhandler » Thu Sep 19, 2013 11:25 am wrote:If only that were true. Here and irl it is appallingly common to be attacked for citing a mainstream scientific source or indeed for questioning the unexamined beliefs of others through the lens of science.


This is not even remotely true in my personal experience. The mainstream is all that matters for the general public, and currently there exists both a "religious" mainstream and a "scientific" mainstream, forever at odds with one another.

Whenever an entity or institution has an "opponent", their objectivity should always be seriously called into question.
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby brainpanhandler » Wed Jul 01, 2015 4:36 am

BrandonD » Tue Jun 30, 2015 3:02 pm wrote:
brainpanhandler » Thu Sep 19, 2013 11:25 am wrote:If only that were true. Here and irl it is appallingly common to be attacked for citing a mainstream scientific source or indeed for questioning the unexamined beliefs of others through the lens of science.


This is not even remotely true in my personal experience.


I can't blame you for misunderstanding me. I wasn't very clear. By "appallingly common" I did not mean a majority of the time. I meant way more common than is acceptable to me, which is a minority of the time but still, in my view, appallingly too common. Here at RI it is even more common than irl, which is appalling to me. I hardly argue about such things here anymore. It's a complete waste of effort in my experience so far, at least if persuasion is the bar for success.

The mainstream is all that matters for the general public, and currently there exists both a "religious" mainstream and a "scientific" mainstream, forever at odds with one another.


Currently and forever. Sure. Probably. Who knows? But the anti-science, religious numbskulls that get a megaphone on fox news that want creationism taught in our public schools, and believe global warming is a scam and junk science are a strident bunch with a voice way out proportion to their numbers. Why is that? What is it about Science with a capital S they find so frightening?

Mystery is at the heart of faith. Science seeks to reveal the mystery. Science by it's nature attempts to remove that which sustains faith. Science attempts to make the unknown, known. But as far as I can tell science so far has only managed to create more fundamental questions than fundamental answers. Cataloging and describing consensus reality is one thing. Explaining whence all this reality comes from and what it is, is another thing entirely. Faith does not create fundamental questions. It provides fundamental answers. It is an illusion that the disciplines of science are mature. They are not. They are like adolescents.

Whenever an entity or institution has an "opponent", their objectivity should always be seriously called into question.


I suppose so. In your experience, within the "opponent" context you mention, how often is it the case that you find a lack of objectivity on one side? On both sides? How often do you find the lack of objectivity to be on the scientific side as opposed to the anti-science side when that is the context?

I live in a state where our governor, Scott Walker, gutted the science bureau in the dnr with his latest budget. Why? Because they were not telling his administration what they wanted to hear but were rather telling them what they believed to be true based on the best data available. It's appalling.

Until we can agree on some of this then I see no good reason to enter into a more nuanced discussion about the pitfalls and shortcomings of science. But, yes, science can possess many of the aspects of a religion. It's true. That's largely because to most people proper science is a mystery.
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby BrandonD » Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:57 am

brainpanhandler » Wed Jul 01, 2015 3:36 am wrote:I suppose so. In your experience, within the "opponent" context you mention, how often is it the case that you find a lack of objectivity on one side? On both sides? How often do you find the lack of objectivity to be on the scientific side as opposed to the anti-science side when that is the context?

I live in a state where our governor, Scott Walker, gutted the science bureau in the dnr with his latest budget. Why? Because they were not telling his administration what they wanted to hear but were rather telling them what they believed to be true based on the best data available. It's appalling.

Until we can agree on some of this then I see no good reason to enter into a more nuanced discussion about the pitfalls and shortcomings of science. But, yes, science can possess many of the aspects of a religion. It's true. That's largely because to most people proper science is a mystery.


I agree with what you are saying, I don't think anyone on this forum would disagree. I was speaking about the nuances that you mentioned at the end there.

I see a massive conflation of "science the intellectual discipline" and "science the social institution" taking place among liberal intellectual discourse these days, so often I feel compelled to comment whenever it appears that mainstream scientific institutions are being deified. IMO our modern institutions are terrible examples of what they claim to represent, across the board. This is not an attack on science, but on modern culture and a capitalist society which ultimately poisons all "altruistic" endeavors.
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby tapitsbo » Wed Jul 01, 2015 7:10 am

kind of shows you how they've abandoned anything that was even supposed to be good about being "liberal" anyways (either left or right flavours)

these same people doing the deifying of scientific and other institutions are also calling themselves "rebels against the status quo"
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby divideandconquer » Thu Jul 02, 2015 9:43 am

Here at RI it is even more common than irl, which is appalling to me. I hardly argue about such things here anymore. It's a complete waste of effort in my experience so far, at least if persuasion is the bar for success.

I find that to be true in my experience at RI as well, especially when that issue is coveted by the left. However, I think of all the truth telling venues, the most intelligent people congregate here, far more intelligent than myself. It's a little intimidating. Nevertheless, it seems the false right/left paradigm and the mainstream media--the dark matrix-- entraps us all, no matter what your IQ is, especially if educated. They're taught by academics and scholars enmeshed in the world of the state...totally immersed in a world of empirical evidence, verifiable data, etc.. It's easy to see why he or she fails to see/does not want to admit that half of the "scientific" literature in “peer reviewed” journals is false. So I think that the more intelligent a person is, the more educated he is, the more entrapped he becomes because he presumes to know, when in fact he does not.
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