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www.infowars.com/oath-keepers-is-going- ... ion-teams/

Oath Keepers is instructing its 30,000 members nation-wide to form up special teams and sub-teams in each Oath Keepers chapter, at the town and county level...

That averages to about ten people per county but the Oath Keepers are probably overrepresented in the Old South. (I tried to find out how many counties are in the United States by going to a federal government website but the damn thing was shuttered.) I imagine that an insignificant fraction of their membership will follow the instructions but I don't know any Oath Keepers, they might be a fanatic bunch. This is especially interesting coupled with the imminent arrest of Barack Obama for “his Muslim, socialist, anti-Semitic, anti-Christian, anti-white, pro-illegal immigrant, pro-radical gay and lesbian agenda.”

www.rightwingwatch.org/content/klayman- ... move-obama

These people are itching for a fight and when it doesn't come they just might start one. Hopefully playing army in the woods will be enough. If not, keep it below the Mason-Dixon line, please.

The Oath Keepers I know are earnest constitutionalists worried about their communities, but that's probably not representative. (Vermonsters usually aren't.)

This is worth keeping an eye on, thank you for the heads-up.

I'll ask 'em about their sense of the national organization.

So, here's an interesting hypothetical. Let's assume they do act in some way in various locales across the nation. Do we advocate the calling in of the National Guard or the Armed Forces, or do we advocate a paramilitary police response like the one we witnessed in Boston to include Lockdowns? I believe this is exactly what the PTB want....anything to further the Police State. Hell, they've used our tax money to build this thing, the police state, and they're not getting enough chances to use it. This would make a perfect cover to Go Live in pseudo perpetuity. I don't know about you all, but I don't feel comfortable advocating for the military or paramilitary police at all, let alone in pseudo perpetuity. I think we can take care of it ourselves. In the long run, advocating the military and/or paramilitary police response is going to be the greater menace. Hell, it already is.....a Leviathan slouching towards Bethlehem.

Namaste.

Carol Newquist » Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:00 am wrote:So, here's an interesting hypothetical. Let's assume they do act in some way in various locales across the nation. Do we advocate the calling in of the National Guard or the Armed Forces, or do we advocate a paramilitary police response like the one we witnessed in Boston to include Lockdowns?

1. Which "we" are you referring to?

2. Do you think Oath Keepers are terrorists?

1. Which "we" are you referring to?

U.S. Citizens...not necessarily Americans (whatever that is). Or, more specifically, U.S. citizens who are not Oath Keepers and aren't planning a hypothetical attack but are nervous that the Oath Keepers are planning an attack of some sort, and would like something done about it.

2. Do you think Oath Keepers are terrorists?

I don't know. I'd have to research the issue further to make that determination. I certainly wouldn't take the government at its word that it's a terrorist organization if that's the government's assessment. I can make that determination on my own with my own definition of terrorism (it's a working definition and incomplete but much more equitable than the government's definition)...not the government's definition.

So, back to my hypothetical. What do you think?

I think people who represent a direct threat to American FedGov are either agent provocateurs or aspiring corpses.

I think people who represent a direct threat to American FedGov are either agent provocateurs

in what sense? on behalf of who or what?

Wombaticus Rex » Wed Oct 02, 2013 1:37 pm wrote:I think people who represent a direct threat to American FedGov are either agent provocateurs or aspiring corpses.

I agree. So, in a hypothetical scenario as I described above, what would you advocate? Not what would we get, because we're both smart enough to know what we'll get, but there's a difference between getting what we're going to get involuntarily (meaning vocally protesting against it but getting it anyway because our opinion doesn't matter), or getting what we're going to get and advocating for it (some actually cheer it). I consider terrorized silence to be tacit advocacy for a militarized police response.

I don't "advocate," really. I observe and I abide.

Elihu: I don't understand your question.

people who are threats to the fedgov as being likely to have fedgov love visited upon them, i get that part. but in what sense are they agent provocateurs?

Wombaticus Rex » Wed Oct 02, 2013 1:59 pm wrote:I don't "advocate," really. I observe and I abide.

Abide what?

Oath keepers of all stripes – even stars and stripes – are dangerous. The Pledge of Allegiance is an uncompromising commitment too. The danger arises when those who utter oaths do so blindly, pledging to play Follow the Leader without question.

The remaining individualists also utter oaths, curses and threats as well, but seldom do so uniformly or unilaterally under one banner. It all depends on the interpretation of freedom – individual or collective, prescribed or derived, divinely granted or personally achieved – and all to what specific end objectives or outcome.

The intelligence of a crowd is diluted in proportion to the numbers composing it, and its direction falls to the qualities of the head of the blinded beast. All too often the agenda at the apex of the army is quite other than the chorus of oath keepers driving it.

And all that’s required for an oath to become an obscenity is the toll it takes in fatal utter futility.

Beautifully put, peartreed. I agree. I guess that's where I was going with it, so thank you for putting it so eloquently.

Carol Newquist » Wed Oct 02, 2013 1:17 pm wrote:

Wombaticus Rex » Wed Oct 02, 2013 1:59 pm wrote:I don't "advocate," really. I observe and I abide.

Abide what?

So far, everything.