Stories that should come from The Onion but don't

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Re: Stories that should come from The Onion but don't

Postby Iamwhomiam » Sat Jan 24, 2015 7:31 pm

Reading once again, 'terrified by what appeared to be an ARMED AMBUSH." without your caps, is a quote by one of the MDA's meeting attendants and reflected her feelings about the arrival of many armed individuals opposed to MDS's agenda. That's not misleading by the press.

The photo was taken from the side, probably because that photographer didn't want to be noticed taking their picture. The front view photo later posted that was not in the article reveals the same image from a different perspective, so isn't the bias in the eye of the beholder and not a misleading of the public by the press?

Seems to me to be a case of pareidolia.
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Re: Stories that should come from The Onion but don't

Postby Jerky » Sat Jan 24, 2015 7:38 pm

IamWhoIam, of COURSE the bias is in the eye of the beholder, but it's INTENDED to be! That's how propaganda works - they make you think in a certain way, and they make you think that you came to that way of thinking all on your own, when really you were coached or herded into that way of thinking.

I would say to you that my own initial reaction - same as Wombaticus' - were a direct result of very conscious juxtapositioning of image and text by the group responsible for this story.

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Re: Stories that should come from The Onion but don't

Postby Jerky » Sat Jan 24, 2015 7:39 pm

In other words, if they had published the group photo, complete with them holding up the flag, most people's reaction to the story would have been much, much different.

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Re: Stories that should come from The Onion but don't

Postby Jerky » Sat Jan 24, 2015 7:41 pm

In other words, just because something is published by an organization of which you approve, and it's promoting a cause to which you subscribe, that doesn't mean it can't also be dishonest propaganda.

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Re: Stories that should come from The Onion but don't

Postby Iamwhomiam » Sat Jan 24, 2015 7:51 pm

Well I guess we'll have to disagree. I didn't have the same reaction to the photo as you and Rex did. I saw the armed gathering as being was it was, threatening. That was their only purpose in being there, to threaten the group of women they perceive as a danger to their rights. This would have been conveyed even if there was no photo, don't you think?
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Re: Stories that should come from The Onion but don't

Postby Jerky » Sat Jan 24, 2015 8:01 pm

Sure. I disagree with what they did... showing up with guns like that, to protest four ladies having lunch. But it would have been more honest not to run a photo with the story, then to run THAT photo, which I still think is deeply dishonest and manipulative. In fact, they did themselves a disservice by running that photo, because it allowed for what eventually happened - people finding the true context of that photo and proliferating it online, thus making them seem like the sleazy left-wing version of Fox News. And nobody wants to be that!

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Re: Stories that should come from The Onion but don't

Postby zangtang » Sat Jan 24, 2015 9:50 pm

great word, ostensibly......i use it a lot.
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Postby zangtang » Sat Jan 24, 2015 9:51 pm

....supposedly signiying...but in fact upon closer examination........
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Re: Stories that should come from The Onion but don't

Postby 82_28 » Sat Jan 24, 2015 10:49 pm

Jerky » Sat Jan 24, 2015 4:01 pm wrote:Sure. I disagree with what they did... showing up with guns like that, to protest four ladies having lunch. But it would have been more honest not to run a photo with the story, then to run THAT photo, which I still think is deeply dishonest and manipulative. In fact, they did themselves a disservice by running that photo, because it allowed for what eventually happened - people finding the true context of that photo and proliferating it online, thus making them seem like the sleazy left-wing version of Fox News. And nobody wants to be that!

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Naw fuck that shit. That photo was perfect. Bottom line is that there is no need, use, wanting of assault weapons in such a setting and they are not welcome. Four women having lunch are welcome. If that was the angle that particular photo was captured at, then it was what somebody passing by might have seen. I don't give a shit if there's some "class picture" shot of these fucks, that picture in question says it all -- idiots with their jewelry posturing in order to intimidate one way or the other. Golden rule number one -- don't intimidate. It's pretty fucking simple. The photo simply showed what was happening and not the way they wanted it.
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Re: Stories that should come from The Onion but don't

Postby Iamwhomiam » Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:41 pm

Jerky » Sat Jan 24, 2015 8:01 pm wrote:Sure. I disagree with what they did... showing up with guns like that, to protest four ladies having lunch. But it would have been more honest not to run a photo with the story, then to run THAT photo, which I still think is deeply dishonest and manipulative. In fact, they did themselves a disservice by running that photo, because it allowed for what eventually happened - people finding the true context of that photo and proliferating it online, thus making them seem like the sleazy left-wing version of Fox News. And nobody wants to be that!

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See, here's the rub - I didn't get that same feeling from the photo as you or Rex did and there's not much difference in the firearm ideology of those where I live in rural NY and where Rex lives. My LL is going to be a shooting contestant at the end of the month that's to be televised nationally within a couple of months. My son was killed by a gunshot to his head while sleeping, so one might think that would make me sensitive to such scenes and ostensibly opposed to firearm ownership, but I cannot, because I support our constitution. Our Constitution, by the way, offers no protections from having our rights violated; It only guarantees one or their survivors the opportunity for judicial redress. after such a violation has been experienced.

I do not think the photo was taken by anyone with the press, but perhaps it was. The angle of the shot could indicate one of the protesters or one from MDA snapped it and gave it to the press. Finally went to the source and found the photo credit:


Here's my concession: I cannot take the time to wait for FB to load on this ancient dial up mac. If Think Progress was offered both the published side view photo and the frontal view photo of the gun rights group members, then they chose wrongly for sensational reasons, which in this case I was not sensitive to, though some others here were.
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Re: Stories that should come from The Onion but don't

Postby coffin_dodger » Sat Jan 31, 2015 7:18 pm

London Mayor Boris Johnson: Extremists 'porn-driven' 31 Jan 2014 BBC News

Boris Johnson has described men who join religious extremist groups such as Islamic State as "losers" who are likely to be users of pornography.

The Mayor of London told The Sun those turning to violence had low self-esteem and were unsuccessful with women.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-31056823
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Postby MacCruiskeen » Sat Jan 31, 2015 7:42 pm

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Postby MacCruiskeen » Sat Jan 31, 2015 7:58 pm

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Postby 82_28 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:38 pm

Idaho lawmaker asks if woman can swallow camera for gynecological exam before medical abortion

BOISE, Idaho — An Idaho lawmaker received a brief lesson on female anatomy after asking if a woman can swallow a small camera for doctors to conduct a remote gynecological exam.

The question Monday from Republican state Rep. Vito Barbieri came as the House State Affairs Committee heard nearly three hours of testimony on a bill that would ban doctors from prescribing abortion-inducing medication through telemedicine.

Dr. Julie Madsen was testifying in opposition to the bill when Barbieri asked the question. Madsen replied that would be impossible because swallowed pills do not end up in the vagina.

"Fascinating. That makes sense," Barbieri said, amid the crowd's laughter.

The committee approved the bill 13-4 on a party-line vote, where it now goes to the House floor for a full vote. Barbieri, who sits on the board of a crisis pregnancy center in northern Idaho, voted in favor of the legislation.

The panel is considered one of the most conservative committees in Idaho's Republican-controlled Statehouse. Already this year, it has killed a proposal that would provide legal protections to gay and lesbian Idahoans and halted legislation proposed by a 14-year-old girl to designate the Idaho Giant Salamander as the official state amphibian. It has endorsed, however, a bill that would expand parental rights in Idaho law.

Under HB154, abortion-inducing medication could not be administered through telemedicine — which does not currently happen in Idaho — and requires doctors to make "all reasonable efforts" to schedule a follow-up visit. The bill is backed by the anti-abortion group Idaho Choose Life.

Anti-abortion advocates argue that the bill will protect women who may have an adverse reaction to abortion medication. Those opposed counter that the bill is an attempt to restrict abortions, pointing to women living in rural areas where access to clinics is already limited.

The measure is one of several abortion-related bills Idaho lawmakers are considering this legislative session.

This includes a proposed bill seeking to define the scope of telemedicine in Idaho, which somewhat overlaps with HB154, because it specifically bans doctors from prescribing abortion drugs via videoconferencing. Over in the Idaho Senate, lawmakers are considering a bill that would require doctors who perform abortions to have admitting privileges at a local hospital.

"Children have no way to really challenge the forces that harm them and unborn children are especially susceptible to harm," said Republican Rep. Linden Bateman. "In my view, this may reduce the number of abortions."

This isn't the first time Idaho lawmakers have received attention while debating abortion legislation.

In 2013, Republican Rep. Ron Mendive drew audible gasps in a committee when he asked if the American Civil Liberties Union-Idaho's pro-abortion stance also meant they supported prostitution. A year prior, Republican Sen. Chuck Winder drew national criticism after he suggested on the Senate floor that a doctor should ask a woman who says she was raped could have been caused by "normal relations in a marriage."


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Re: Stories that should come from The Onion but don't

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:10 pm

Republican State Rep. Vito Barbier Thinks a Woman's Stomach is Connected to Her Vagina
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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