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Ayahuasca experience

Postby BrandonD » Sun Dec 15, 2013 12:54 pm

Hi, just wanted to share a few unusual experiences relating to this subject.

About 8 years ago I traveled to Peru by myself and spent 2 weeks in the jungle with a small group of people from different areas of the world. During that time I participated in 5 ayahuasca ceremonies. More occurred than I could relate in a little summary, but I'd like to mention some of the more intriguing incidents. I really don't have an all-encompassing theory that encapsulates these experiences, but I'd like to share them anyway in the hope that it might shed light on whatever area of strangeness you happen to be investigating:

1 - One of the men I met, when I shook his hand I took note of the fact that he did not look me in the eye. I considered this to be a sign of bad character. Later I discovered this was because he was blind, he was there with his girlfriend who was also his sight guide. At the end of one of the ceremonies, I walked outside the ceremonial hut into the jungle area. I joined a small group of people, all standing in silence and looking around. The jungle as well as the roofs of the surrounding huts were covered with a silver luminescent glow, it seemed as bright as daylight and I remember thinking that it reminded me of something in Harry Potter. I also noticed that I could focus my attention on any particular aspect of my surroundings, and no matter how far away, I could see it with clarity. This was shocking because my eyesight is poor. I noticed that the blind man was outside as well, and he was standing a little behind the group in the shadow of the hut.

The next day I spoke with him, and he told me that during that particular instance outside, somehow his sight had temporarily returned. He then described what he saw that night and it matched exactly what I saw, every detail. This silver light "super vision" effect took place on only that one night.

2 - During the third ceremony, I had what I call my "hell experience". I felt the distinct sensation of a foreign entity living inside of me, the impression was of a black thing that had been living in some sort of symbiotic relationship with me for quite a long time. During the ceremony, I was engaged in some sort of battle to expel it. The experience during this time was quite terrifying and weird.

The next day, I saw that I had suddenly grown a huge brown mole on my belly, it was located a bit under my belly button. I have no moles on my body and this one was particularly large, so it was kind of frightening to me. The thought immediately arose that this mole had resulted from my "battle" the evening before. I didn't tell anyone about it, but during that same time I was reading a Carlos Castaneda book that was on the shelf in the common area, and I was surprised to read a passage describing the area where one's will extends from the body to contact the outside world - the book said this area was one inch below the belly button, which was exactly where this mole had appeared. Incidentally, this mole disappeared about a month later and I've never had another one since.

3 - For myself, since this was the first psychedelic I had ever taken, it took quite a while for it to actually take effect, sometimes an hour. This could also be due to that fact that since it is ingested as a drink, it is assimilated more slowly so you can actually feel the "trip" creeping up on you.

For the final ceremony, I had just ingested the drink and was lying on my cot waiting, as I did in the other ceremonies. Within minutes I was surprised to see a solid bright pinpoint of bluish white light floating about 8 feet from the ground, above the shaman's head. The ceremonial hut is in darkness during the entirety of the ceremony, so it certainly caught my attention.

While "under the influence" it was often difficult or even impossible to move my body, but at this moment I felt completely in control of all my faculties. I was in a totally ordinary state of mind at this time, I could think logically and did not feel impaired in any manner.

I wondered to myself, what is this light? Was a star somehow shining through a hole in the roof of the hut? The light then turned a shade of orange white and began floating. It moved side to side in what appeared to be a deliberate and almost robotic fashion, always remaining above the heads of the shaman and his apprentices. When it was moving it was an orange hue, and when it stopped it would come to an abrupt immediate halt, and the hue would return to blue. Its movement gave me the impression of a tiny UFO, and how they are described to travel.

I stared at it, trying to rationalize what this light could be. It was confounding, because I was still experiencing a totally ordinary state of mind and body. After about 10 minutes, the light flew sharply to the left and beyond my field of vision. Since I was still in total control of my body I instinctually moved off my cot to follow it, and I saw it disappear right through the wall of the hut.

Shortly afterwards, I felt the approach of the ayahuasca and went into a trip.

Many hours later, one of the shaman's apprentices came up to my cot to check on me and see if I was ok. I took this opportunity to tell her about the light I saw floating above their heads at the beginning of the night, and asked her if she knew what this light was.

Without hesitation she immediately replied "That was don Alberto." Don Alberto was the teacher of the current shaman, and what is particularly odd about this statement is that this man was still alive.

The next day, I heard stories of 6 other people who also saw this light. One of them discounted it as a lightning bug, but being very familiar with lightning bugs I can say with confidence that it was not. What is odd is that we were a group of about 20 people, and this object was literally the only light source in the room so it practically jumped out at you, so it seemed strange that less than half of the people in the room saw it.

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Well there are a few anecdotes for you guys to mull over. I'd say one of the ideas that these experiences inspired was the idea that some UFOs, in particular the flying lights, might be conscious entities rather than inert physical vehicles.
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Re: Ayahuasca experience

Postby slimmouse » Sun Dec 15, 2013 1:37 pm

Thanks for the accounts Brandon.

Neil Kramer was suggesting in a podcast I listened to last night, that "higher vibrational" states of consciousness ( horrible description I know), whilst not requiring physical form, can manifest in any chosen form to people , however and whenever they choose , or perhaps more importantly to those who choose to see it,
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Re: Ayahuasca experience

Postby Elvis » Sun Dec 15, 2013 1:42 pm

Thank you for the report! Never tried ayahuasca, but have some direct knowledge of LSD, peyote, mushrooms and so on. Ayahuasca experience sounds unique.
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Re: Ayahuasca experience

Postby NaturalMystik » Sun Dec 15, 2013 2:20 pm

Fascinating, thanks for sharing...

Curious how bad the 'purging' was?
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Re: Ayahuasca experience

Postby Elvis » Sun Dec 15, 2013 3:01 pm

NaturalMystik » Sun Dec 15, 2013 11:20 am wrote:Curious how bad the 'purging' was?


yes...I'm also quite curious about that, Brandon, if you feel like elaborating.
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Re: Ayahuasca experience

Postby BrandonD » Tue Dec 17, 2013 2:05 am

Well that is something which is kind of unique to my experience, but certainly not typical. Everyone else was vomiting pretty extensively, it was going on throughout every ceremony.

But oddly enough, I did not vomit even once during all 5 ceremonies. During the hell ceremony which was pretty much the only negative one, I felt a force literally grab my body and hold it over a bowl that I was intended to vomit into. I tried to vomit, but still I was unable to. I heaved pretty heavily though.

Later that evening though, I had pretty harsh diarrhea. That was the only negative purging that happened to me, but I was literally the only exception among the 20 or so of the people participating. They experienced the full spectrum of purging in every ceremony. Either I lucked out or perhaps the spirits decided to go easy on me :)
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Re: Ayahuasca experience

Postby BrandonD » Fri May 09, 2014 4:14 am

One other experience in these ceremonies that you guys might find of interest occurred during the "hell ceremony" that I mentioned earlier, which was the 3rd ceremony.

Early in the ceremony I cried out for help. I felt very serious that I was literally dying. I disappeared into this "underworld" and it seemed to stretch on for a long time, I would emerge from it temporarily into the ordinary world which was trippy and distorted, and then I would descend back into that other place. Near the end of the ceremony, there were several times that I thought the experience was finally over, only to come back in a sudden wave.

Well, the next day I slept in very late and skipped breakfast. I got up for lunch and felt like a walking zombie, drained of energy. When I walked in, several people were pointing at me and laughing. I dimly noticed this and thought it was a bit rude.

One of the people said to me, "Enjoy your night?" - I responded that I definitely didn't enjoy my night, it was the worst night of my life. They seemed very confused, and they told me that during the ceremony I had been singing very loudly, I was shouting "Thank you god!" and other such religious things, and singing like an old-school preacher. Everyone in the room heard it, and assumed I was having an ecstatic experience.

When I told them what I experienced, they were very confused. I definitely don't remember singing - doing that out loud in that situation is totally against my personality, and the experience was so miserable that I had no reason to sing "Thank you god!". In fact, if anything at that time I was thinking malicious thoughts toward any higher power out there for putting me through that experience.

So I don't have an explanation for that scene, perhaps someone else had temporarily occupied my body.
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Re: Ayahuasca experience

Postby brainpanhandler » Fri May 09, 2014 7:31 am

BrandonD » Fri May 09, 2014 3:14 am wrote: perhaps someone else had temporarily occupied my body.


wikipedia wrote:In Medieval Europe, among those accused of demonic possession, ecclesiastical edicts interpreted large warts and moles on the skin as physical signs of the entry point of the devil into the soul
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Re: Ayahuasca experience

Postby lucky » Fri May 09, 2014 8:53 am

No Aya experience but a number of DMT trips...these are remarkable for their incredible halucinations and the fact that your back at a 'normal' state 15 mins or so later. I nearly always see a jester in the G.Dead colours of red and blue in the mix and many times accomponied by what i can only call a female spirit of about 10 or so who giggles with me at the crazy scenes in front of my closed eyes.
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Re: Ayahuasca experience

Postby Nordic » Sun May 11, 2014 5:37 pm

BrandonD, I have a question. After the 3rd night ceremony, when you felt you were battling with this black energy/entity, and it seems to have been expelled from you the next day (presumably?) did your life change? Have you noticed a difference?

I am asking because I feel like I have been, for years now, harboring some sort of spiritual parasite, perhaps a ghost, maybe more than one, that I picked up in my past. Either that or I have a weird penchant for moving into haunted houses.

I also felt, once during an incredibly intense acupuncture session, that the chronic pain I was experiencing in my back was caused, or actually WAS, this exact kind of black energy/entity that you describe. In the acupuncture experience, which was downright fortean, when I left the place, I felt like it had been loosened up but was still inside me. I walked away from the place, up a hill to a park, where I tried to cough it out of me. If that makes any sense. I was bent over like a sick person, trying to cough up this fucking thing that I could still feel inside of me somehow. I wanted to completely purge it. I didn't discuss this with the acupuncturist, because I don't think she knew enough English (she was an older Chinese lady and extremely gifted). I have felt this same thing in my back later in life, sometimes associated with some drop-me-to-my-knees pain.

I'm very interested in this.

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Re: Ayahuasca experience

Postby BrandonD » Sun May 11, 2014 7:36 pm

Nordic » Sun May 11, 2014 4:37 pm wrote:BrandonD, I have a question. After the 3rd night ceremony, when you felt you were battling with this black energy/entity, and it seems to have been expelled from you the next day (presumably?) did your life change? Have you noticed a difference?

I am asking because I feel like I have been, for years now, harboring some sort of spiritual parasite, perhaps a ghost, maybe more than one, that I picked up in my past. Either that or I have a weird penchant for moving into haunted houses.

I also felt, once during an incredibly intense acupuncture session, that the chronic pain I was experiencing in my back was caused, or actually WAS, this exact kind of black energy/entity that you describe. In the acupuncture experience, which was downright fortean, when I left the place, I felt like it had been loosened up but was still inside me. I walked away from the place, up a hill to a park, where I tried to cough it out of me. If that makes any sense. I was bent over like a sick person, trying to cough up this fucking thing that I could still feel inside of me somehow. I wanted to completely purge it. I didn't discuss this with the acupuncturist, because I don't think she knew enough English (she was an older Chinese lady and extremely gifted). I have felt this same thing in my back later in life, sometimes associated with some drop-me-to-my-knees pain.

I'm very interested in this.

The strongest drug of this type I ever took was a big-ass dose of Salvia divornum, which I have tried to describe here before. It's very very difficult to describe it because there literally aren't words for it.


I actually didn't expel "the thing" after the 3rd ceremony. I was pulled to a bucket by what felt like a powerful external force and heaved several times, but didn't actually throw up. I wrote in my journal the next day "I tried to throw it up but I think it is still inside of me"
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