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Re: The Dark Enlightenment

Postby General Patton » Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:56 pm

Is there a way to make room for the reactionary mind in our intellectual life, though, without making room for racialist obsessions and fantasies of enlightened despotism? So far the evidence from neoreaction is not exactly encouraging.


This implies that academia isn't already a hub of reactionary thinking. Academics are already obsessed with race and enlightened despotism is another word for making graduate students do all of the professor's work. NGOs and Academia in general are hubs of neofeudalism. All of our public intellectuals and intellectual institutions already reflect this.
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Re: The Dark Enlightenment

Postby Harvey » Tue Apr 26, 2016 5:29 pm



I presume the earlier image is an actual photo, of something called Nickelodeon Land? Creepy. Had a look at Fanged Noumena, looks quite interesting (towards an understanding) thanks for the push.
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Re: The Dark Enlightenment

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Tue Apr 26, 2016 5:37 pm

Parting shot from Yarvin / Moldbug:
http://unqualified-reservations.blogspo ... /coda.html

It's long past time to make this official: UR has completed its mission.

If you're discovering UR just now and don't feel like wading through a 2007-era Blogger template, some of the more salient pieces are available as Kindle books, here. Start with the Open Letter or the Gentle Introduction.

If you're here because you clicked on one of those clickbait pieces and you're horrified, don't be afraid! All your conditioning is telling you to run very fast in the opposite direction. That's normal. It's a healthy instinct. Honestly, there's quite a solid case for taking the blue pill. It's a vitamin. It's good for you. Whatever is in that red pill, it's definitely not a vitamin.

And let's not just dismiss the idea that you're right. So is everyone else. So is the world. "All is for the best, in this the best of all possible worlds." Still... perhaps we could try a little test?

Say the word democracy. Notice how good it sounds. Everything democratic is good. A democratic meeting, a democratic policy, a democratic giraffe... if the adjective fits the noun at all, anything you paint with it comes out shiny and bright.

Now say the word politics. Notice how bad it sounds. This person is a politician. She's being so political. These dangerous proposals would politicize US foreign policy. Every use of the word is negative. Everything you paint with it comes out sordid and mean.

But... what is democracy without politics? Is there any such thing? If there is, doesn't it sound like something North Korea would come up with? Our higher form of democracy has transcended mere politics. Uh huh. Sure. I know where you're going with that.

As objective realities — structures of governance — aren't democracy and politics in fact... synonyms? But if they're the same word, how can they have opposite connotations? How can it be that everyone knows, obviously, of course, democracy is a good thing, but politics is a bad thing?

Anyway. They're just questions, Leon. If you feel like you have a good answer, great. Definitely go with that. I hope it's juicy and delicious.
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Re: The Dark Enlightenment

Postby Harvey » Tue Apr 26, 2016 5:51 pm

Wombaticus Rex » Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:37 pm wrote:Parting shot from Yarvin / Moldbug:
http://unqualified-reservations.blogspo ... /coda.html

It's long past time to make this official: UR has completed its mission.

If you're discovering UR just now and don't feel like wading through a 2007-era Blogger template, some of the more salient pieces are available as Kindle books, here. Start with the Open Letter or the Gentle Introduction.

If you're here because you clicked on one of those clickbait pieces and you're horrified, don't be afraid! All your conditioning is telling you to run very fast in the opposite direction. That's normal. It's a healthy instinct. Honestly, there's quite a solid case for taking the blue pill. It's a vitamin. It's good for you. Whatever is in that red pill, it's definitely not a vitamin.

And let's not just dismiss the idea that you're right. So is everyone else. So is the world. "All is for the best, in this the best of all possible worlds." Still... perhaps we could try a little test?

Say the word democracy. Notice how good it sounds. Everything democratic is good. A democratic meeting, a democratic policy, a democratic giraffe... if the adjective fits the noun at all, anything you paint with it comes out shiny and bright.

Now say the word politics. Notice how bad it sounds. This person is a politician. She's being so political. These dangerous proposals would politicize US foreign policy. Every use of the word is negative. Everything you paint with it comes out sordid and mean.

But... what is democracy without politics? Is there any such thing? If there is, doesn't it sound like something North Korea would come up with? Our higher form of democracy has transcended mere politics. Uh huh. Sure. I know where you're going with that.

As objective realities — structures of governance — aren't democracy and politics in fact... synonyms? But if they're the same word, how can they have opposite connotations? How can it be that everyone knows, obviously, of course, democracy is a good thing, but politics is a bad thing?

Anyway. They're just questions, Leon. If you feel like you have a good answer, great. Definitely go with that. I hope it's juicy and delicious.


Democracy without politics?

I go online, I decide where my taxes are spent, directly, no middleman. I decide where my money goes and where it doesn't from a democratically arrived at list of options. I put forward policy suggestions, they are picked over by my peers, exposed for their flaws and discussed. Others do likewise. We arrive at our priorities through thought, patience and informed, democratic discussion.

Or.

I get pissed on from a great height and have no say in anything. Money is spent procuring raw materials in far flung war torn lands for companies I fundamentally disagree with for projects I couldn't possibly countenance. I am asked to vote for narcissists, many of whom inherited their grasp on power and who couldn't function without an entourage. Or Democracy as it's described above.
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Re: The Dark Enlightenment

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:11 pm

If I wasn't from Vermont I'd believe that was possible.

Unfortunately, I have learned that every zoning board decision, every town meeting, and every line of state code is a canvas for family disputes, petty grudges, ape greed and basic psychosis. People with money do what they want because Democracy, as practiced in Vermont and perhaps elsewhere, is not sufficient to restrain them -- and indeed, actively enables them on many fronts. The rest of us are left to argue about causes and solutions.

One constant point of consensus: things are largely the other side's fault.

These binary traps seem very engrained into human social structures, probably because they 1) bind groups and 2) trigger intergroup tournaments that are important for group selection arithmetic. This also emerges in the possibly apocryphal Duverger's Law, and most starkly, in the cynical Iron Law of Oligarchy which elevates system failure to something as inevitable as entropy itself.

Personally, I do find it interesting there's so little experimentation and A/B testing with voting systems, but I suppose that's inevitable when you practice "Democracy" as a Puritan superstition rather than a proper science. Then again, those with the means for that kind of operations research at scale are precisely those with the greatest incentive to fine-tune the system in the opposite direction, towards a dysfunctional feedback implosion rather than a functional state.

Moldbug under-estimates the role of PR, despite all his obsessions with Cathedral. What he's generally assaulting isn't democracy at all, only marketed as such for centuries now -- it's as much a democracy as that orange substance Kraft excretes is "cheese."
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Re: The Dark Enlightenment

Postby Harvey » Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:24 pm

There are some who are testing such things today, how they might work, how the sticking points might be overcome etc. What is described as politics is stone age binary tribalism and in the west it comes in red or blue, not even white. From sports to company livery. Fucking embarrassing to be associated with at the species level.

On edit: technology already affords possibilities which may well offset the tendencies you linked to. We can do better, it's the culture which lets us down continually. Genius as it is, I presume it always lags behind because of legacy issues such as inequality and expectation.

How can a family struggling to make ends meet be concerned about the countries his own is tearing apart? Especially when the dominant power structures are creating context out of whole cloth for expediency sake? But if certain universals are met, it can be done. How do we meet the baseline conditions for democracy as isolated sane communities? How do we reach out to one another? Aren't we doing that here and elsewhere?

What are the universal factors we can all agree upon rather than the differences? Build from there.
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Re: The Dark Enlightenment

Postby Harvey » Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:58 pm

And while we spoke of many things, fools and kings
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Re: The Dark Enlightenment

Postby General Patton » Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:14 pm

In spite of Yarvin's love of extreme verbosity and obscure sources, he's never struck me as a deep thinker.
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Re: The Dark Enlightenment

Postby zangtang » Tue Apr 26, 2016 8:00 pm

Ouuuuch !

- slice & serve up lesser mortals with one's savage intellect much ?
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Re: The Dark Enlightenment

Postby General Patton » Tue Apr 26, 2016 8:42 pm

zangtang » Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:00 pm wrote:Ouuuuch !

- slice & serve up lesser mortals with one's savage intellect much ?


The gentleman's art of shittalking shall not perish from this earth, I will see to it.
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Re: The Dark Enlightenment

Postby zangtang » Tue Apr 26, 2016 11:52 pm

Splendid. Do carry on...........
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Re: The Dark Enlightenment

Postby American Dream » Tue Sep 27, 2016 10:10 pm

Geeks for Monarchy: The Rise of the Neoreactionaries


Many of us yearn for a return to one golden age or another. But there’s a community of bloggers taking the idea to an extreme: they want to turn the dial way back to the days before the French Revolution.

Neoreactionaries believe that while technology and capitalism have advanced humanity over the past couple centuries, democracy has actually done more harm than good. They propose a return to old-fashioned gender roles, social order and monarchy.

You may have seen them crop-up on tech hangouts like Hacker News and Less Wrong, having cryptic conversations about “Moldbug” and “the Cathedral.” And though neoreactionaries aren’t exactly rampant in the tech industry, PayPal founder Peter Thiel has voiced similar ideas, and Pax Dickinson, the former CTO of Business Insider, says he’s been influenced by neoreactionary thought. It may be a small, minority world view, but it’s one that I think shines some light on the psyche of contemporary tech culture.

Enough has been written on neoreaction already to fill at least a couple of books, so if you prefer to go straight to the source, just pop a Modafinil and skip to the “Neoreaction Reading List” at the end of this post. For everyone else, I’ll do my best to summarize neoreactionary thought and why it might matter.

Who Are the Neoreactionaries?

“Reactionary” originally meant someone who opposed the French Revolution, and today the term generally refers to those who would like to return to some pre-existing state of affairs. Neoreaction — aka “dark enlightenment — begins with computer scientist and entrepreneur Curtis Yarvin, who blogs under the name Mencius Moldbug. Yarvin — the self-described Sith Lord of the movement — got his start as a commenter on sites like 2blowhards before starting his own blog Unqualified Reservations in 2007. Yarvin originally called his ideology “formalism,” but in 2010 libertarian blogger Arnold Kling referred to him as a “neo-reactionary.” The name stuck as more bloggers — such as Anomaly UK (who helped popularize the term), Nick Land (who coined “dark enlightenment”) and Michael Anissimov — started to self-identify as neoreactionary.

The movement has a few contemporary forerunners, such as Herman Hoppe and Steven Sailer, and of course, neoreaction is heavily influenced by older political thought — Thomas Carlyle and Julius Evola are particularly popular.

Anti-Democracy

Perhaps the one thing uniting all neoreactionaries is a critique of modernity that centers on opposition to democracy in all its forms. Many are former libertarians who decided that freedom and democracy were incompatible.

“Demotist systems, that is, systems ruled by the ‘People,’ such as Democracy and Communism, are predictably less financially stable than aristocratic systems,” Anissimov writes. “On average, they undergo more recessions and hold more debt. They are more susceptible to market crashes. They waste more resources. Each dollar goes further towards improving standard of living for the average person in an aristocratic system than in a Democratic one.”

Exactly what sort of monarchy they’d prefer varies. Some want something closer to theocracy, while Yarvin proposes turning nation states into corporations with the king as chief executive officer and the aristocracy as shareholders.

For Yarvin, stability and order trump all. But critics like Scott Alexander think neoreactionaries overestimate the stability of monarchies — to put it mildly. Alexander recently published an anti-reactionary FAQ, a massive document examining and refuting the claims of neoreactionaries.

“To an observer from the medieval or Renaissance world of monarchies and empires, the stability of democracies would seem utterly supernatural,” he wrote. “Imagine telling Queen Elizabeth I – whom as we saw above suffered six rebellions just in her family’s two generations of rule up to that point – that Britain has been three hundred years without a non-colonial-related civil war. She would think either that you were putting her on, or that God Himself had sent a host of angels to personally maintain order.”

Exit

Yarvin proposes that countries should be small — city states, really — and that all they should compete for citizens. “If residents don’t like their government, they can and should move,” he writes. “The design is all ‘exit,’ no ‘voice.'”

That will probably sound familiar if you heard Balaji Srinivasan’s Y Combinator speech. Although several news stories described the talk as a call for Silicon Valley to secede from the union, Srinivasan told Tim Carmody that his speech has been misinterpreted. “I’m not a libertarian, don’t believe in secession, am a registered Democrat, etcetera etcetera,” he wrote. “This is really a talk that is more about emigration and exit.”

I don’t know Srinivasan, but it sounds like he’d find neoreactionary views repulsive. And exit is a concept that appeals to both the right and left. But there are others in the Valley pushing ideas much closer to the neoreaction. Patri Friedman, who co-founded the Seasteading Institute with Peter Thiel, specifically mentioned Yarvin’s blog in a reading list at the end of an essay for Cato Unbound, and Yarvin was scheduled to speak at the Seasteading Institute’s conference in 2009 before his appearance was canceled. Thiel, meanwhile, voiced a related opinion in his own article for Cato Unbound: “I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible.”

Incidentally, Thiel’s Founders Fund is one of the investors in Srinivasan’s company Counsyl. The co-founder of Yarvin’s startup Tlon was one of the first recipients of the Thiel Fellowship. Anissimov was the media director of the Thiel-backed Machine Intelligence Institute (formerly known as the Singularity Institute). It’s enough to make a conspiracy theorist’s head spin, but I’m not actually suggesting that there’s a conspiracy here. I don’t think Peter Thiel is part of some neoreactionary master plot — I don’t even necessarily think he’s a neoreactionary. But you can see that a certain set of ideas are spreading through out the startup scene. Neoreactionary ideas overlap heavily with pickup artistry, seasteading and scientific racism (more on that later), and this larger “caveman cult” has an impact on tech culture, from work environments to the social atmosphere at conferences.

To be clear though, pure neoreaction is an extreme minority position that will probably never catch on beyond a tiny cult following. But there has been an explosion of interest since late 2012, despite the fact that Hoppe, Sailer, Yarvin and others have been writing about this stuff for years (and neoreaction’s European cousin archeofuturism has been around even longer). And this interest just happens to coincide with growing media attention being paid to the problems of the tech industry, from sexism in video games to “bro culture” in the tech industry to gentrification in the Bay Area.

And many professionals, rather than admit to their role in gentrification, wealth disparity and job displacement, are casting themselves as victims. This sense of persecution leads us to our next neoreactionary theme.


Continues at: https://techcrunch.com/2013/11/22/geeks-for-monarchy/
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Re: The Dark Enlightenment

Postby General Patton » Tue Dec 13, 2016 7:04 pm

Oh look at this:
While shelving books in the library, a student worker came across what initially appeared to be a regular novel in the section near nation-states and the Anglosphere. Its title claimed to be Tess of the d’Urbervilles, written by Thomas Hardy – but when the student opened up the book, he found it to be a pageless and hollowed-out fake.

Instead, the fake book served as a box containing a small stack of manila envelopes. Inside the envelopes were forms asking users to indicate their availability, objectives (the options were: discussion, spread messaging, projects, and brotherhood), interest in leadership positions, and topics of concern (the options were: post-democracy, nationalism, HBD, alternative right, cultural marxism, “The Cathedral,” and economic systems). The front of this form featured a design similar to the German Reichsadler, and the back read “DarkEn” – short for “Dark Enlightenment.”


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Professional losers Nick B. Steves and SanguineEmpiric take to the comment section:

With the exception of the Germanic Imperial Eagle design, this is a very NRx-looking operation (the old book... in the library... cryptic nature, etc.). Neoreactionaries are not fond of socialism--national or otherwise--and would not incorporate Nazi-looking material into anything they publish. At least not unironically. Also the operation doesn't advance any neoreactionary goal. Neoreactionaries, under the authority of Hestia Society, do have recruitment operations in NYC, but it's strictly through established personal relationships. Randoms need not apply--nor would they even know where.

I won't say that it is false flag, but it seems to have been at most a trolling operation--to create the exact response (and required grave "tone") that it did. On that front, it appears to have been quite successful.

Just chiming in here, de-facto member of the dark enlightenment here, we certainly are not the nazi's or associated with the nazi's, you can come have a chat with us on twitter, I'm listed on the left hand side of Nick Land's blog under Sanguine so I should count as a contact. We are not Nazi's and certainly not fascists, some of our people might prefer authoritarian policies, we are entirely a meta political programme that allows any set of the non-ruinous policies, the dark enlightenment should be thought of as a met apolitical programme with no concrete body of formal work in question that is entirely representative as opposed to inspirations and any random sampling of sets of politics is merely one element out of the set of our metapolitiacal programs, that is there is one thing that is formally negated, leftism or progressivism of any sort.
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If you're scared that Neoreaction is "literal Nazis", then you should be even more scared when you find out that they're not.

Literally Nazis are extinct. The US military under the guidance of Ivy League men made darn sure of that. Anyone stupid enough to associate today with the most failed brand in human history is stupid enough not to be a problem.


Authoritarian could very well mean having a King, or an Aristocracy above you, Executives managing your patch/realm, a consulate above you in various positions, illiberal authoritarianism, liberal authoritarianism like Von Leddihn. Napolean's state(prefer not obviously), aristocratic rule like it was in the old world for a lot of asiatic countries, there's a lot of governments and we don't give a shit about what you think. Prefer not to exalt the legislature and split it between the other two IMHO.


Do the world a favor and pass this on to your colleagues AD. They're not nazis they just want executives from Fortune 500's to manage your life while using psuedo nazi imagery. This is in NY so NYCAntifa could presumably organize something there? At least go book hunting for more NRx caches and protest actual creepy nazi shit on campus, etc...
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Re: The Dark Enlightenment

Postby American Dream » Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:00 pm

They are not actually my "colleagues" in that what I do is share anti-fascist information and analysis here and don't really know those groups.

Given though the nature of Rigorous Intuition, you may well be notifying those sorts of groups just by sharing such information.
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Re: The Dark Enlightenment

Postby General Patton » Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:09 pm

American Dream » Tue Dec 13, 2016 7:00 pm wrote:They are not actually my "colleagues" in that what I do is share anti-fascist information and analysis here and don't really know those groups.

Given though the nature of Rigorous Intuition, you may well be notifying those sorts of groups just by sharing such information.


lol well I know a few of them and passed it on anyway :thumbsup
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