Understanding The Armenian Holocaust

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Re: Understanding The Armenian Holocaust

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon May 22, 2017 10:23 pm

brekin » Fri Sep 30, 2016 12:50 pm wrote:This film comes out (with Christian Bale for jimminy cricket) about the Armenian Genocide and it doesn't even have a national release date.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Promi ... 16_film%29
The film premiered at the 2016 Toronto International Film Festival on September 11, 2016.[4]
It has yet to be released nationwide.


Probably, most definitely, because it would be a buzz kill for the election.





The Internet Won’t Let Armenia Go Away
Controversy over two recent motion pictures sheds light on the Armenian genocide. Turkey is using cyberspace to try to kill the story.

BY MICHAEL WINSHIP | MAY 22, 2017

Oscar Isaac as Armenian medical student Mikael Boghosian in The Promise, a film about the Armenian genocide. (Photo courtesy of Survival Pictures)

Here’s a different kind of story about media and politics.

It demonstrates how the monstrosity of a crime a century old still divides and scorches the world. And it’s one more example of how digital technology is changing geopolitics at every level, from interfering with other nation’s elections to the current wave of ransomware cyberattacks and even the release of motion pictures.

Last Tuesday, Donald Trump had a chummy meeting with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. There was a lot to talk about — NATO, Syria, ISIS. They also discussed the continued presence in the United States of Fethullah Gulen, the Erdogan foe on whom the Turkish leader blames last summer’s failed coup d’etat.

In a Washington Post op-ed just prior to Erdogan’s visit, Gulen wrote, “The Turkey that I once knew as a hope-inspiring country on its way to consolidating its democracy and a moderate form of secularism has become the dominion of a president who is doing everything he can to amass power and subjugate dissent.”

No wonder Erdogan wants Gulen extradited to Turkey, where he would probably face certain death. So far at least, we have refused to do so. Meanwhile, as Erdogan looked on, his security detail viciously beat protesters outside the Turkish ambassador’s residence in Washington.

So given this particular White House, and Trump’s expressed admiration for Erdogan, you know that one topic not up for discussion was Erdogan’s ever-escalating suppression of human rights, especially in the aftermath of the unsuccessful coup and the recent referendum in which he consolidated even more power.

This year, the anniversary of the beginning of the genocide has been marked by the release of two movies, each offering a very different account of what happened. Only one of them is truthful and the response has been both fascinating and troubling.
Here’s another forbidden but related subject that wasn’t on the agenda: the horrific Armenian genocide committed a century ago by Turkey’s Ottoman Empire. Between 1915 and 1922, at least 1.5 million were massacred, some 80 percent of the Armenian population.

Like his predecessors, and unlike the government of Germany after the Holocaust and World War II, Erdogan still refuses to acknowledge what the Turkish government did. Instead, he has admitted that yes, Armenians lost their lives, but as Cara Buckley at The New York Times wrote, “… He implied that they were victims of a war in which all Ottoman citizens had suffered — rather than the victims of a genocide.”

(Although Donald Trump and Barack Obama have condemned the atrocities committed against Armenians, for fear of offending their NATO ally neither used the word “genocide” while president. During the 2008 campaign, Obama pledged he would but never did).

This year, the anniversary of the beginning of the genocide has been marked by the release of two movies, each offering a very different account of what happened. Only one of them is truthful and the response has been both fascinating and troubling.

At the center of all this is the movie The Promise, co-written (with Robin Swicord) and directed by Terry George. It’s about a love triangle: an Armenian medical student (Oscar Isaac), an American photojournalist (Christian Bale) and a worldly, beautiful Armenian woman (Charlotte Le Bon) with whom both men are involved. As Turkey aligns with Germany during World War I and begins the systematic extermination of ethnic and religious minorities, their romantic rivalry is put aside and the three unite for survival.

In the interest of full disclosure, Terry George and I have known each other for a long time. Last year, he asked me and a few other friends to come screen The Promise while he still was adding the finishing touches. I thought it was terrific then and still do. The movie’s an old-fashioned love story in the style of David Lean’s Doctor Zhivago or Ryan’s Daughter, an epic set against a vast historical landscape devastated by cruelty and bloodshed.

With Jim Sheridan, Terry George wrote the movies In the Name of the Father, Some Mother’s Son and The Boxer, all of which dealt with the “troubles” in Northern Ireland. In 2004, Terry directed and co-wrote Hotel Rwanda, nominated for three Academy Awards, an unflinching look at the Rwandan genocide of 1994 and the world’s indifference to it. So jumping into the middle of the Armenian genocide dispute was not unusual for him. He joked, “If it doesn’t cause controversy, what am I doing it for?”

Last year, Terry realized that another picture on the topic was about to be released. The Ottoman Lieutenant has a similar story structure but it presents a sanitized version of the genocide in which the murders of Armenians are not part of a systematic, state-sanctioned policy but random acts of violence committed by rebellious soldiers.

The New York Times reports, “According to several people familiar with the project, Turkish producers oversaw the final cut, without the director’s knowledge.

“The people familiar with the project said that tensions emerged on the ‘Ottoman’ set after producers pushed to minimize depictions of Turkish violence against Armenians. Several people who worked on the project felt that the final version butchered the film artistically, and smacked of denialism: Dialogue that explicitly referred to systematic mass killing had been stripped out.”

Writing for The Daily Beast, Michael Daly discovered that one of The Ottoman Lieutenant’s producers, “ES Film is based in Istanbul and its co-founders include Yusuf Esenkal, who is said to be a business partner in other ventures with Bilal Erdoğan, son of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan. The younger Erdoğan has been accused by Russia of trading in oil with ISIS and is being investigated by Italy of laundering massive sums of money there, all of which he has denied.”

ES Film also is behind a current TV series that glorifies the life of the last sultan of Turkey, “perpetrator of the first wave of mass killings that were the lead-up to the Armenian genocide.”

So, suddenly a film appears running counter to The Promise narative, produced by Turks whose motives might be less than pure. (It should be noted that The Promise got most of its funding from the late movie mogul, Armenian-American Kirk Kerkorian).

Then things got even stranger. The Promise premiered at the Toronto International Film Festival. After just three screenings, IMDB, the Internet Movie Data Base, was flooded with 85,000 terrible reviews, a statistical impossibility. Only a handful could have seen the film.

As Mary Wald noted at HuffPost: “85,000 is not a few irate people. It is an organized mob. Or more likely a small network on laptops or in a boiler room working to make it look like a mob. Either way it is coordinated. And to coordinate something of this magnitude, you pay for it.”

IMDB removed all but the 32 or so reviews that they believed to be legitimate. But that wasn’t the end of it. According to Terry George, a similar smear campaign took place on the Turkish version of Twitter and the comment section at YouTube briefly had to be shut down. And he says that in Chicago and other cities large blocks of tickets were bought via the Fandango website and then refunded just before the movie was scheduled to start so that patrons would walk into near-empty theaters.

In the great scheme of things, this may seem like small ball when put up against election hacking, vast troves of leaked documents or taking down an entire national health service, but these insidious tactics add up, pile onto the “fake news” trope and give comfort to the denialists of every stripe. As Mary Wald wrote:

“Governments who are accustomed to controlling the media have put considerable energy into working out how the supposedly open and objective Internet can surreptitiously be harnessed to enforce a political agenda.”

That seems to be precisely what the Turkish government and its friends are doing as they continue to resist the reality of the Armenian genocide.

In 2014, Turkish President Erdogan tried to ban Twitter and YouTube, describing social media as a “knife in the hand of a murderer” when it was effectively used to mount protests against him. Now he has a Twitter account all his own and the knife is in his hand as well. Like deniers and haters here and everywhere, he and his allies have come to realize that the Internet, like any weapon, works both ways. It’s all about where you aim it.

The Promise opens in Spain next month and in Germany in August, and Terry George wonders whether the hostile reaction will be even more strident in Europe. Whatever happens, “We’re in it for the long haul,” he said, noting that he intends to utilize social media to generate outreach programs for classrooms that will heighten awareness of a bleak and overlooked time in world history. It’s a monstrous tale that must be told wherever it can, on movie screens or in cyberspace, never to be forgotten.
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Re: Understanding The Armenian Holocaust

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Prime Minister Serzh Sarkisian of Armenia has resigned
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... r-protests



Armenian protest leader detained amid mass demonstrations
https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/22/asia/arm ... index.html

Unarmed soldiers join anti-government protests in Armenia
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-arme ... SKBN1HU15U

Armenian genocide of 1915 commemorated in Worcester by descendants of those who escaped
http://www.telegram.com/news/20180422/a ... ho-escaped

A very potent protest movement is emerging in Armenia
Self-organising and deeply grass-root, the protest movement in Armenia has the potential of introducing genuine change.
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opini ... 16999.html
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Re: Understanding The Armenian Holocaust

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How Far Did the Armenian Genocide Extend? A New Book Examines that Question.
In The Thirty-Year Genocide: Turkey’s Destruction of Its Christian Minorities, 1894–1924, Morris and Ze'evi make a compelling case that Turkey carried out a gruesome genocide on its Armenian population, but are unpersuasive in arguing that it was extended to all Christians living within the boundaries of the Ottoman Empire and then what became modern Turkey.

Benny Morris and Dror Ze’evi, The Thirty-Year Genocide: Turkey’s Destruction of Its Christian Minorities, 1894–1924 (Cambridge, MA and London: Harvard University Press, 2019), 672 pp., $35.00.

ON AUGUST 22, 1939, just ten days before his forces invaded Poland, Adolf Hitler instructed his generals, “our war aim does not consist in reaching certain lines, but in the physical destruction of the enemy.” He recounted his orders “to send to death mercilessly and without compassion, men women, and children of Polish derivation and language.” He concluded with the query, “who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?”

Modern historians, and many others, including governments, legislatures, and, of course, Armenians themselves, today do indeed speak of what is now termed “the Armenian genocide.” Numerous authors have documented Turkish atrocities during the First World War, to which the term generally refers. Benny Morris and Dror Ze’evi, both professors at Israel’s Ben Gurion University, go much further in The Thirty-Year Genocide: Turkey’s Destruction of Its Christian Minorities, 1894–1924.


Morris and Ze’evi offer a history of the ethnic hatred in the Middle East that continues to be replayed to this very day. The players then are much the same as today: Turks, Kurds, Arabs, Christians, Yazidis and Jews. The authors’ work is filled with tales of the most horrifying brutality, though it focuses primarily on Muslim atrocities and on the virtual erasure of any Christian presence in Turkey.

Morris and Ze’evi argue that the Ottoman government, the Young Turks that effectively overthrew it in 1908 and maintained power throughout World War I, and the Nationalist government under Mustafa Kemal (later called Atatürk) that assumed power in 1921 all pursued a consistent policy of repression, and, indeed, planned extermination, of the three major Christian denominations—Armenians, Greeks and Assyrians—who made their homes and earned their livelihoods in territories under Turkish control. While the persecution and murder of as many as 1.5 million Armenians has received considerable attention over the past half century, that is not at all the case with respect to the other two ethnic groups, and to that extent the two authors provide an important contribution to the literature of the nineteenth- and early twentieth-century Middle East.

TO BUTTRESS their analysis, the authors draw upon a hoard of documents, with the notable exception of Turkish government files, which remain closed. Despite the absence of Turkish material, the story they tell is ghastly enough. Already in 1876, when Sultan Abdülhamid II attempted to crush the Bulgarian rebellion, William Ewart Gladstone, the four-time prime minister of Britain and no lover of the Ottomans, described the “Turkish race” as “the one great anti-human specimen of humanity. Wherever they went, a broad line of blood marked the track behind them.”

The Ottoman rulers had long turned a blind eye to persecution and exploitation of Armenians, whether they were rich or poor. This was especially so in eastern Anatolia, where hundreds of thousands of Armenians had lived for centuries. It was not only local Turkish officials who taxed and then re-taxed the Armenians, especially the Armenian peasantry. Nomadic Kurdish tribes constantly swooped down on Armenian villages, terrorizing the population with murder, robbery and rapine. Of course, the Kurds also taxed the Armenians, as did, to a lesser extent, the Circassians.

Kurdish and Circassian exploitation of the Armenians was at times openly supported by the government in Constantinople. When peasants failed to pay off their mounting debts, their properties were foreclosed and handed over to Kurds and Circassians “who, being Muslim, were considered more loyal to the state.” Moreover, the Kurds underwent a religious awakening in the 1870s, inspired by government-supported clerics. Their growing fanaticism justified, at least in their minds, their persecution of Christians—as if they really needed justification at all.

In 1877, the Russians, using the treatment of Bulgarians as a pretext, crossed into Ottoman territory, invaded eastern Anatolia, occupied eastern Thrace (home to thousands of Greek Orthodox Christians) and threatened Constantinople. When hostilities came to an end—thanks to pressure from Britain and Germany—the Ottomans lost much of the Balkans; the Bulgarians became an autonomous principality; and the Russians ensconced themselves in eastern Anatolia, home to hundreds of thousands of Armenians. Many Armenians wished the Russian presence to remain permanent. Indeed, Morris and Ze’evi note that the Armenian exilarch, the head of the Armenian Church, secretly asked the tsar “to hold on to parts of Armenia captured in the war.”

Not surprisingly, the Ottomans viewed the Armenians as a Russian fifth column, and redoubled their support of Kurdish and Circassian predations, as well as those of their Turkish officials and ordinary peasants. Armenian notables were imprisoned and tortured on flimsy allegations of rebellion. They would then be released upon the payment of huge ransoms—a practice that Christian rulers of Europe had liberally employed throughout the Middle Ages against Jewish leaders and their communities.

Exploitation gave way to outright massacres beginning in 1894 and continued for the next two years. Once again, it was primarily the Kurdish tribes, with government connivance, that carried out the beatings and the killings, committed brutal rapes, and carried off young women and children to convert them to Islam and treat them as slaves or concubines, and at times, marry them.

Though some Armenians resisted what at times was literally butchery, they committed their own atrocities as well. In one case, Armenian men and women from the town of Zeytun, upon hearing of massacres of Armenians elsewhere, “killed dozens of Turkish prisoners and burnt a handful of Muslim villages” before Turkish troops overwhelmed them. The Armenians tended to be poorly armed, primarily making use of ancient rifles and the like. But that did not stop the Zeytunlis, who continued to harass Turks whenever they had the opportunity, and murdered them “with hatchets, butchers’ knives and pickaxes.”

Stories of Armenian outrages, which at times were accurate but often exaggerated, and protests against the burdens of taxation only further angered the Ottomans. Protests and resistance meant flouting Sharia law, which relegated non-Muslims to, at best, dhimmi status. That the Armenians appealed to the European great powers for succor only intensified Ottoman anger. The result was yet more atrocities committed by Muslims of all stripes.

BY THE end of 1896, when most of the violence had subsided, thanks to Western pressure on the central government, more than 100,000 Armenians had been murdered. At least a similar number, and perhaps as many as 200,000, died “of causes related to the massacres.” Over six hundred churches and monasteries had been destroyed. Over three hundred churches had been converted into mosques. About five hundred villages had been forcefully converted to Islam. The worst was still to come.

The Armenians began to organize themselves in the 1890s, developing a truly national identity that clearly conflicted with Ottoman dominance. Moreover, there were groups that armed themselves and preached Armenian independence. However small these groups were, any resistance to Ottoman pressure, and certainly the killing of police or officials, begot even more violence on the part of both the government and the Muslim citizenry.

Western European pressure on the Ottomans may have led to an abatement of the massacres by the latter part of the 1890s, but Muslim hostility was rarely far from the surface. Rape, kidnapping, murder, and the burning and seizure of Christian, primarily Armenian, homes and lands never really ceased.

When the Committee of Union and Progress (CUP), better known as the “Young Turks,” seized power in 1908, it stressed the primacy of what it saw as the Turkish “race.” Morris and Ze’evi add that the CUP was in essence Islamist. Indeed, they assert that even if Islam was not in the forefront of their assault on Christians, it was always in the background, motivating even Turks who nominally were more “moderate” in religious matters.

The Young Turks, led by Mehmed Talat and Ismail Enver, initially pursued a policy similar to that of Abdülhamid—namely, “to de-Christianize the empire.” Morris and Ze’evi add, however, that

[w]hereas Abdülhamid used winks, nods, and informal allies among eastern Anatolia’s Muslim tribes to carry out his campaign of massacre, the CUP adopted a more systematic approach, issuing direct orders, overseeing the process, and tallying up the results with bureaucratic precision.

It employed its secret police, the Special Organization, to do its dirty work. This accelerated beginning in May 1915, when the mass murders of Armenians began in earnest.

Once Turkey entered World War I in October 1914, they faced a Russian invasion that included two battalions of Armenian volunteers. In the eyes of Constantinople, there could be no better proof that the Armenians were the enemy within. When Turkish forces suffered from setbacks on the battlefield, the government naturally blamed those outcomes on Armenian treachery—even if the Russians showed no mercy to captured Armenians serving in the Ottoman army. Having already been inclined to drive the Armenians out of all Turkish held territory, it did not take much for the CUP to unleash what Morris, Ze’evi and many others, including governments, identify as nothing less than genocide.
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Ninth Circuit Says Too Late on Claims of Armenian Genocide Land Grab
MARTIN MACIAS JRAugust 8, 2019

The Armenian church of Trabzon, used as an auction site of confiscated Armenian goods during the war and after the Armenian Genocide.
PASADENA, Calif. (CN) – A Ninth Circuit panel on Thursday affirmed the dismissal of lawsuits by descendants of Armenian genocide victims, finding the statute of limitations on claims that Turkey illegally seized their ancestors’ land during the atrocities expired long ago.

Descendants of the genocide victims said in two 2010 lawsuits that the Ottoman Empire illegally claimed their ancestors’ land and unlawfully held profits from the land in two banks, the Central Bank of the Republic of Turkey and T.C. Ziraat Bankasi.

In a December 2010 lawsuit, Alex Bakalian, Anais Haroutunian and Rita Mahdessian sought roughly $65 million in damages and a judgment that Turkey could be tried in U.S. courts for actions related to their genocide of 1.5 million Armenians within the former Ottoman Empire.

The banks moved to dismiss the claims by asserting immunity under the Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act.

U.S District Judge Dolly Gee dismissed both cases in 2013 under the political question doctrine which says certain questions – in this case, determining whether Turkey’s actions were genocide – should be handled by the executive branch, not the courts.

Turkey has resisted calling the historical event a genocide, and the issue is considered controversial as the U.S. seeks to normalize relations with their NATO ally.

Gee declined to rule on the statute of limitations issue, which had been fully briefed by all parties for an appeal. Most of the atrocities took place between 1915 and 1923.

The Ninth Circuit affirmed Gee’s ruling Thursday, writing in a 12-page opinion that the land grab claims are time-barred since the court previously held a California law extending the period for Armenian genocide-related lawsuits to December 2016 is unconstitutional.

U.S. Circuit Judge Andrew Hurwitz, a Barack Obama appointee, wrote that even if plaintiffs believed that any lawsuit against Turkey would be futile until 1976, when Congress laid out which immunity exceptions existed under the Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act, the current claims are still time-barred.

“Even if we assume that the plaintiffs’ claims were equitably tolled until 1976, the plaintiffs do not explain why they should be tolled a further twenty-four years,” Hurwitz wrote for the panel.

Attorneys for the parties did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Noting a U.S Supreme Court directive, Hurwitz found the panel must avoid “advisory opinions on the merits and drive-by jurisdictional rulings” and therefore cannot rule on whether there is a genocidal takings exception to sovereign immunity laws.

“In particular, answering that question would require us to decide whether to consider the state of international law at the time of the taking or at some later point, and whether at the relevant point in time either genocide or a genocidal taking was a recognized violation of international law,” he wrote for the panel. “The political question analysis also turns on a complex issue of first impression: whether the FSIA necessarily authorizes the judiciary to decide in the first instance whether a genocide has occurred even if a foreign state denies that it has.”

U.S. Circuit Judges Kim Wardlaw McLane and Marsha Berzon, both Bill Clinton appointees, joined the opinion.

The U.S. military’s Incirlik air base currently sits on the land in question, which is located in the Adana region of Turkey.
https://www.courthousenews.com/ninth-ci ... and-grabe/



Genocide Studies Pioneer Vahakn Dadrian Dies
The Armenian Mirror-Spectator
President of Armenia Armen Sarkissian sent a letter of condolence to Dadrian’s family and friends.

“I knew Doctor Dadrian not only as a brilliant scholar but also as an excellent expert of international relations and a person communication with whom was instructive and gratifying. These recollections and memories of him will always stay bright with those who knew him and appreciated his accomplishments,” the President said.

Istanbul-Armenian Member of Turkish Parliament Garo Paylan, representing the pro-Kurdish Peoples’ Democratic Party (HDP), took to Twitter on Sunday to pay tribute to Dadrian.

“Istanbul-born academician Vahakn Dadrian, who was best known for his works on the Armenian Genocide, has passed away. His books published in Turkey played an important role in the international recognition of the Armenian Genocide. God bless his soul!” Paylan tweeted, according to Ermenihaber.

In addition, many Armenian organizations expressed their condolences.

President of the Society for Armenian Studies Bedross Der Matossian announced: “Dadrian was the founder of the field of Armenian Genocide Studies and one of founders of the field of Comparative Genocide Studies. After studying mathematics at the University of Berlin, he pursued Philosophy at the University of Vienna, and later, International Law at the University of Zürich. He received his Ph.D. in sociology from the University of Chicago. From 1970-1991 he was a professor of sociology at the State University of New York-College at Geneseo.

“In 1999 he joined the Academic Board of Directors of the Zoryan Institute. Since then he served as the Director of Genocide Research and oversaw some of the Institute’s most important projects. He was the author of more than 10 books and 100 articles the most important of which was The History of the Armenian Genocide: Ethnic Conflict from the Balkans to Anatolia to the Caucasus (Berghahn, 2019). His books and articles have been translated into more than 10 languages.”



Dadrian’s books and articles have been translated into more than 10 languages. Among his books are:

Autopsie du Génocide Arménien. Trans. Marc & Mikaël Nichanian. Brussels: Éditions Complexe, 1995, 266p.
Haykakan Tsekhaspanut`iune Khorhtaranayin ev Patmagitakan Knnarkumnerov (The treatment of the Ottoman genocide by the Ottoman parliament and its historical analysis). Watertown, MA: Baikar, 1995, 147p.
The History of the Armenian Genocide: Ethnic Conflict from the Balkans to Anatolia to the Caucasus. Providence, RI & Oxford: Berghahn Books, 1995, 452p.
German Responsibility in the Armenian Genocide: A Review of the Historical Evidence of German Complicity. Watertown, MA: Blue Crane Books, 1996, 304p.
The Key Elements in the Turkish Denial of the Armenian Genocide: A Case Study of Distortion and Falsification. Cambridge, MA and Toronto: Zoryan Institute, 1999, 84p.
Warrant for Genocide: Key Elements of Turko-Armenian Conflict. New Brunswick and London: Transaction Publishers, 1999, 214p.
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Re: Understanding The Armenian Holocaust

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:24 pm

In rebuke of Erdogan, Armenian genocide resolution could soon pass House
Alexander Nazaryan


WASHINGTON — For years a resolution condemning the slaughter of 1.5 million Armenians by Turkish nationalists during World War I has failed to gain traction in either chamber of Congress. Though lawmakers have long promised a resolution recognizing the Armenian genocide, they have been hampered by Turkey’s role as a critical ally whose significance has only increased with the rise of violent extremism across the Middle East.

As soon as next week, Democrats in the House of Representatives could ratify a measure recognizing the Armenian genocide, moving it out of committee and to the chamber floor, where it is likely to pass. The House Rules Committee is set to announce Thursday that it is going to take up the resolution next week, a final formal process before it can receive a vote.

“I’m proud that the Rules Committee will be considering this resolution next week,” that committee’s chairman, Rep. Jim McGovern, D-Mass., told Yahoo News, noting that his Worcester-area district has the oldest Armenian diaspora community in the United States. “Not acknowledging the genocide is a stain on our human rights record and sends the exact wrong message to human rights abusers around the world,” he added.

“It’s time to start holding Turkey accountable for its actions,” said Rep. Don Beyer, D-Va. “Both Congress and the White House have remained silent on this issue for far too long, and I look forward to changing that next week.”

Members of the Senate have introduced a genocide-recognition resolution of their own, though its fate is less clear.

Having either one or both chambers endorse such a resolution could prove awkward for President Trump, who is fond of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. Sensitive to Turkey’s geopolitical influence, American presidents have shied away from recognizing the Armenian genocide. The only president to do so was Ronald Reagan, in 1981. And though Congress has passed similar genocide resolutions, it has been more than two decades since it last did so.

“With the president caving in to Erdogan, it’s up to Congress to speak out for America,” Aram Hamparian, the executive director of the Armenian National Committee of America, told Yahoo News. He added that the resolution would be a “signal” to the Turks that “Washington won’t be bullied, U.S. policy can’t be hijacked and American principles are not for sale.”

Democrats and Republicans alike have framed the measure in similar terms.

The House measure would be largely symbolic but significant all the same, given Turkey’s opposition. And it would be another instance of Congress rebuking Trump on his handling of foreign policy. The president was put in a similar position over his affinity for Russian President Vladimir Putin, after both chambers imposed new sanctions on Russia in 2017 as a punishment for interfering in the 2016 presidential election. Trump groused but signed the sanctions into law.

On the Armenian front, the new push for genocide recognition does not come because of historical revelations or newfound reserves of moral courage. Consensus that the killing of Armenians by Turks constituted a genocide is universal among those who have studied it. Yet Turkey has consistently denied that a concerted ethnic cleansing took place, and it has strenuously lobbied on Capitol Hill to keep the killing of Armenians from being classified as genocide.

A genocide recognition resolution nearly made it to the House floor in 2010. Then, as now, the lead sponsor was Rep. Adam Schiff, whose Los Angeles district is home to a significant Armenian-American population. The difference, of course, is that Schiff is now one of the top congressional antagonists to Trump, while Turkey has emerged as a major point of contention between the White House and Capitol Hill.

Genocide recognition measures are usually introduced to coincide with Armenian Genocide Remembrance Day on April 24. The measure is receiving a renewed push now because Democrats want to punish Erdogan for his treatment of the country’s Kurdish minority.

Some of the Kurdish forces are based in Syria, where they were until very recently protected by U.S. military forces. Trump’s decision to withdraw those forces has led to accusations that he has “betrayed” the Kurds by leaving them effectively defenseless against the ninth most powerful military in the world.

He lifted sanctions on Turkey on Wednesday following an agreement to a ceasefire. “Let someone else fight over this long bloodstained sand,” Trump said during his announcement.

For its part, Turkey has portrayed its military incursions into Syria — which it calls Operation Peace Spring — as necessary to curbing the activities of “terrorists,” which is how it tends to portray armed Kurdish forces. State-controlled media in Turkey have described that operation in glowing, humanitarian terms.

The upper chamber of Congress could take up an Armenian genocide resolution of its own, as it enjoys the support of many Democrats and also of generally pro-Trump conservatives like Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas. A spokesperson for Cruz provided a statement about the need for congressional recognition of “the horrific genocide suffered by the Armenian people” but did not provide specifics about a potential Senate resolution.

That leaves the House resolution as the most immediate means of rebuking Turkey at a time when tensions with the NATO ally are at a historic high.

The White House would not say how Trump would respond to the measure, which as a standalone House resolution does not need his approval.

Democrats are making no effort to hide the fact that the measure — known as House Resolution 296 — is being introduced as a rebuke to Erdogan. In a letter to fellow members of Congress, Schiff and Rep. Gus Bilirakis, a co-chair of the Armenian caucus, wrote last week that “it weakens our standing and our moral clarity that the Congress has for too long been silent in declaring the events of 1915 as a genocide.”

Speaking on Capitol Hill earlier this week, Rep. Eliot Engel, D-N.Y., chairman of the influential Foreign Affairs Committee, said that he expected the Armenian genocide resolution to be voted on soon, along with new sanctions on Turkey. He said that he believed Turkey was “not happy” with these developments, which reflected what was in his view prevalent unhappiness on Capitol Hill with Turkey’s treatment of the Kurds.

In an unlikely development, the measure will see support from Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., who as ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee is a top nemesis of Schiff and a spirited defender of Trump. Asked about how Nunes expected to vote on the issue, an aide in his congressional office forwarded a statement from 2018 in which Nunes called Erdogan’s denial of the genocide a “disgrace,” adding that it was “now more important than ever that the U.S. administration commemorate the tragic genocide of the Armenian people.”

The aide strongly suggested that nothing about the congressman’s position in the intervening months had changed.

And another staffer, this one a Democratic aide on the House Rules Committee, cautioned against tethering the resolution to ire at Erdogan, pointing to long-standing efforts by the likes of House Rules Chairman McGovern.

“A lot of people,” the staffer said, “have worked for a very long time on this.”
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Re: Understanding The Armenian Holocaust

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:15 am

US House says Armenian mass killing was genocide
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The US House of Representatives has voted overwhelmingly in favour of recognising the mass killing of Armenians by Ottoman Turks during World War One as a genocide.

The issue is highly sensitive and comes amid deteriorating US-Turkey relations.

Presidential hopeful Joe Biden said the vote honoured the memory of victims.

Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said the "worthless" vote, which was held on Turkey's National Day, was the "biggest insult" to Turkish people.

There is general agreement that hundreds of thousands of Armenians died when the Ottoman Turks deported them en masse from eastern Anatolia to the Syrian desert and elsewhere in 1915-16. They were killed or died from starvation or disease.

The total number of Armenian dead is disputed. Armenians say 1.5 million died. The Republic of Turkey estimates the total to be 300,000. According to the International Association of Genocide Scholars (IAGS), the death toll was "more than a million".

How did the House vote?

The resolution passed by a vote of 405 to 11. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi joined her colleagues "in solemn remembrance of one of the great atrocities of the 20th Century".

Mr Biden tweeted: "By acknowledging this genocide we honour the memory of its victims and vow: never again."

It is the first time in decades that the full House has considered such a measure. In the past, attempts were thwarted by concerns that it could damage relations with Turkey, a Nato ally, and intense lobbying by the Turkish government.

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The chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, Adam Schiff, whose California district is home to a large Armenian-American population, tweeted: "The House just voted to recognise the Armenian Genocide - a vote I fought for 19 years to make possible, that tens of thousands of my Armenian American constituents have waited decades to see."

He added: "We will not be party to genocide denial. We will not be silent. We will never forget."

To become official policy, the resolution needs to be approved by both houses of Congress and then be signed by the president. But there is no vote scheduled on the measure in the Senate.

The House also voted overwhelmingly to call on President Donald Trump to impose sanctions on Turkey and some of its officials over the country's military offensive against Kurdish fighters in northern Syria.

Kurdish troops have been allied to the US in fighting the Islamic State (IS) group.

How has Turkey reacted?

It has strongly condemned the move. Speaking on television, Mr Erdogan said the Turkish parliament would respond to the House vote, saying: "This step which was taken is worthless and we do not recognise it."

Earlier, Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu called the vote "null and void", saying it was revenge for the offensive in Syria.

Mr Cavusoglu tweeted: "Those whose projects were frustrated turn to antiquated resolutions. Circles believing that they will take revenge this way are mistaken. This shameful decision of those exploiting history in politics is null and void for our government and people."

Turkey denies that there was a systematic campaign to slaughter Armenians as an ethnic group during World War One.

On Wednesday, the US ambassador to Turkey, David Satterfield, was summoned by the Turkish foreign minister over the vote.

What happens when an ambassador is summoned?
What happened?

The dispute about whether it was genocide centres on the question of premeditation - the degree to which the killings were orchestrated.

Many historians, governments and the Armenian people believe that they were; but a number of scholars question this.

Turkish officials accept that atrocities were committed but argue that there was no systematic attempt to destroy the Christian Armenian people. Turkey says many innocent Muslim Turks also died in the turmoil of war.
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House sends Turkey message by imposing sanctions and calling WWI Armenian killings genocide
(CNN) — The House passed two measures Tuesday aimed at sending a strong message to the Turkish government amid deteriorating relations between American lawmakers and the country.

The House of Representatives first voted on a bipartisan basis Tuesday evening to approve a resolution that would "commemorate the Armenian Genocide through official recognition and remembrance" of "the killing of 1.5 million Armenians by the Ottoman Empire from 1915 to 1923."
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The designation as a genocide by the US House of Representatives is a significant political development as Turkey maintains to this day the killings did not constitute genocide and disputes the death toll, putting the figure closer to 300,000.

The House-passed resolution has existed in various forms for decades, but congressional leaders from both parties had avoided taking action on it because of Turkey's strategic importance to American interests in the Middle East and its membership in NATO.

The resolution, spearheaded by California Democrat Adam Schiff, passed 405-11. As a standalone House resolution, it does not need approval from the White House.

"Too often, tragically, the truth of this staggering crime has been denied," said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. "Today, let us clearly state the facts on the floor of this House to be etched forever in the congressional record: The barbarism committed against the Armenian people was a genocide."

"It is a great mistake that we have not passed this long before this," House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer told reporters ahead of the vote.

Turkey summoned US Ambassador David Satterfield after the measure was passed, according to the Turkish Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

In a statement issued Wednesday, the Turkish Ministry of Foreign Affairs condemned the bill, saying the recognition "lacks historical and legal basis and issued for domestic consumption" and is "null and void in the eyes of Turkish people."

Lawmakers on Tuesday night also approved a firm sanctions bill to punish Turkey for its military offensive against Kurdish forces in northern Syria.

"It's important for us to make sure that we're sending a very clear signal, both with the sanctions resolution and in the genocide resolution, that we do not support what the Turks have done and that they need to withdraw," Rep. Liz Cheney, the hawkish Wyoming Republican who chairs the House GOP conference, said before the vote.

The sanctions bill, introduced by House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Eliot Engel alongside GOP Rep. Michael McCaul, passed on a vote of 403-16. It would punish senior Turkish officials involved in the decision to launch an offensive against Kurdish forces in northern Syria and those committing human rights abuses, block the sale of arms to Turkey for use in Syria, and require a series of reports to examine the consequences of the Turkish offensive in Syria.

Engel's proposal goes well beyond the administration's response to Turkey's actions — Trump placed limited sanctions on Turkey a few days after Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan began the offensive, but lifted them after claiming that Turkey had agreed to a ceasefire.

"The United States needs to make sure that Turkish President Erdogan faces consequences for his behavior, because President Trump has failed to demonstrate American leadership in this regard," Engel said on the House floor. "It's now on Congress to step up and impose consequences on Turkey."

Despite its bipartisan support, the sanctions bill is unlikely to advance in the Republican-held Senate.

Competing sanctions proposals regarding Turkey already exist in the Senate, but there has been little movement on the issue in recent days, and it is not clear that Republican leaders plan to bring such a response to the floor.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has cautioned against "developing a reflex to use sanctions as our tool of first, last, and only resort in implementing foreign policy."

He said last week that sanctions could play an important role in responding to Turkey, but "we need to think extremely carefully before we employ the same tools against a democratic NATO ally that we would against the worst rogue states."

Fahrettin Altun, a spokesman for Erdogan, said on Twitter, "The U.S. House of Representatives vote on the Armenian Resolution is deeply troublesome for anyone who cares about the US-Turkey relationship." He also called the sanctions bill a "direct contradiction to the spirit of strategic alliance."
Senators from both parties will receive a briefing from Defense Secretary Mark Esper and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley, as well as other officials, on the situation in Syria on Wednesday afternoon.

CNN's Ted Barrett and Isil Sariyuce contributed to this report.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/30/politics ... index.html
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