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An anarchist critique of horizontalism (Andrew Flood)

Postby American Dream » Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:24 pm

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An anarchist critique of horizontalism

Monday February 24, 2014 19:51 by Andrew Flood

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Meeting in Gezi Park, June 2013

Horizontalism is a practice rather than a theory, which is to say in the various writings that use the term it has been described in practice rather than theorised as an ideal. It's easiest to see the practice in the context of the assembly-based movements that have come and gone since the rebellion in Argentina. Particularly of course the wave that built up from 2010 on in North Africa, Southern Europe and then went global in late 2011 with Occupy. What these movements had in common was not a single theoretical underlay but a set of developed common practices and to some extent common ways of looking at the world. I'm using the past tense there but of course they all still have some existence, with Gezi park this summer being a fresh blossoming somewhat along that common theme - although it lacked a single assembly. But because these are not formal organisations or even theoretical themes they largely exist in the moment even if in between such moments relatively small groups continue to organise under their various banners between those moments. This is both strength and a weakness.

Key point of Horizontalism

In writing about Occupy Sitrin listed the following characteristics which also apply generally across horizontalist movements

“To open spaces for people to voice their concerns and desires—and to do so in a directly democratic way."
"People do not feel represented by the governments that claim to speak in their name"
“Attempting to prefigure that future society in their present social relationships."
“They want the power of corporations contained and even broken, access to housing and education expanded, and austerity programs and war ended"
“Food, legal support, and medical care"


In a more critical look at Horizontalism, partially replying to Sitrin, David Marcus defined it as "part of a much larger shift in the scale and plane of Western politics: a turn toward more local and horizontal patterns of life, a growing skepticism toward the institutions of the state, and an increasing desire to seek out greater realms of personal freedom"

The qualification 'western' is probably unneeded as the movements in Egypt & Turkey share many of these same characteristics. Marxists and neo-reformists are increasingly inclined to see all these tendencies as a problem in challenging capitalism; anarchists on the other hand would broadly welcome them.

Horizontalism & Anarchism

Horizontalism includes aspects that are in parallel with anarchist methodology, in particular the emphasis on direct democracy and direct action. It also includes aspects of what are sometimes incorrectly described as anarchist methods, in particular consensus decision making, which actually entered radical politics via Quaker influence on the peace movement of the 60's. But most participants at least start off unaware of those historical links and WSM members involved in Occupy found that participants often imagined that these methods are entirely new concepts that were being invented by them on the spot. That is they were unaware of the very long history of experimentation through the anarchist and other movements that preceded their experiments

At least in the context of the Occupies we had some involvement in this was a significant weakness. A certain amount of skill and knowledge is required to make assembly processes effective. The inventing it from scratch approach resulted in the 'tyranny of structurelessness' problems of the loudest voices tending to dominate assemblies and dynamics of bullying, in group formation and various power games filling in the vacuum. Inevitably these reproduce the patterns of our patriarchal, racist society - if left unchecked conversations will tend to be almost completely dominated by white men who are comfortable in playing out their expected gender role. In places this produced such unhealthy dynamics that Post Occupy this has allowed authoritarian outfits like the SWP to claim that horizontal decision making in general always leads to such outcomes and so is 'not really democratic'.

Perhaps the greatest weakness of these horizontalist movements is that they either lack a class analysis, as was the case with Gezi Park, or replace it with a pretty crude wealth/corruption/corporations concept that lends itself a little too easily too conspiratorial and reformist approaches to fighting for change. This tends to reduce what is wrong to 'evil people making evil decisions’ and the idea that if this is exposed to the light of day change will come about.

The whole 1% meme could be a useful starting point to explain capitalism & class from and to move people away from seeing the posh/poor neighborhood down the road as the problem (a grim example of all politics being local). But it can also be a starting point for a conversation about how the Rothschild’s controls the world via secret meetings at Bilderberg and spraying us all with fluoride from jet planes. As was found at Occupy challenging these and the associated Freeman ideas becomes quite frustrating once you don't have the shorthand of the historic tradition of the left as a common point of origin under which they can quickly be dismissed as the latest manifestation of old and frequently anti-Semitic conspiracy theories.

The question of winning

Horizontalism also differs from anarchism in that it doesn't have either a vision of what a free society might look like or a process to move us from here to there. I don't means some sort of detailed blueprint, I'm skeptical enough of the value of tiny number of people devoting time to planning a future for the entire world at that level of detail. I mean at the level of the picture anarchists share of a world where workplace assemblies take over the workplaces and neighbor assemblies take over and manage communities. It need not be detailed for it to be clearly enormously different to the world we live in today.

Anarchist processes to get from here to there tend to involve a process of mass participation (e.g. syndicalist unions) followed by a moment of insurrection, sometimes pictured as a general strike, sometimes as an armed populace on the streets but actually most often a blend of the two. While there is much that can be discussed around this, are armed insurrections even viable in the age of the helicopter gunship, it clearly is a transformative moment that can be imagined. What does that moment look like for Horizontalism? What would it look like to win?

Horizontalism also dispenses with and is often hostile to the idea of formal revolutionary organisation. Having seen how revolutionary movements tend to interact with social movements over many years we can sympathises with the reasons for this and around Occupy we decided to respect the bans on political organisation banners and paper sales at Occupy events. Technology has made this approach feasible to hold alongside trying to build mass movements for change. Once individuals who wanted such movements too emerge had to co-operate with revolutionary organisations because they needed access to their organisation resources, their press and their communication networks.

Parties knew this and thus didn't have to modify their behavior on the basis of accumulated negative experience; some organisations like the SWP instead turned isolating those who refused to tolerate negative behavior into an advanced art form. But that period appears to be over as the various tools of the Internet and mobile communications greatly weaken the link between mass organisations before mass communication. The old style party form has been spending its accumulated capital to resist that process, and as a result is starting to disintegrate as recruitment dries up and funds are exhausted. In extreme cases it faces hostility from without and rebellion from within as its own membership use these new technologies to route communications around the formal leadership.

Anarchism has a different approach to both horizontalism and the party form. Anarchist organisation was of course also about finding a way to fill a need for mass communication, but it also arose as recognition of a need to transmit lessons across time and space in a way that they would arrive and be trusted. And the need for a common platform around which solidarity could be built across distances and different experience and cultures. In the period since Occupy I've probably had conversations with anarchists who were involved in the region of twenty Occupies and are broadly share the WSM’s politics. All of these conversations quickly went to quite a deep level of critique because it was simple for us to quickly establish our own political and organisational common ground.

Reform by riot & electoralism

Paul Mason writes that "the power of the horizontalist movements is, first, their replicability by people who know nothing about theory, and secondly, their success in breaking down the hierarchies that seek to contain them. They are exposed to a montage of ideas, in a way that the structured, difficult-to-conquer knowledge of the 1970s and 1980s did not allow (...) The big question for horizontalist movements is that as long as you don’t articulate against power, you’re basically doing what somebody has called "reform by riot" a guy in a hoodie goes to jail for a year so that a guy in a suit can get his law through parliament"

Now Mason wants to deploy that argument for the creation of a new syndicalist party somewhat crudely in the tradition of De Leon or James Connolly. That is for a broad electoral formation that would provide Horizontalism with the vision of a new society and the electoral method it needs to bring that about. Not something we’d agree with. But he still has a point about ‘reform by riot’. Horizontalism without a vision and method for revolution simply provides then protest fodder behind which once one government can be replaced with another. That indeed is one of the lessons of the experiences of Argentina in 2001, the slogan 'they all must go' meant government after government went but after a while stability was reimposed and new stable governments came into power and stayed there.

A key way of understanding this is to understand that Horizontalism as constructed lacks power except the power of the individual bodies putting themselves in harm's way. Perhaps that is why nudity commonly spontaneously arises as a tactic. Anarchism has expressions of power in the form of the general strike or the people armed. Horizontalisms power consists of mobilising numbers to occupy spaces and block routes. In Argentina the power of the unemployed assemblies rested only in the power derived from blocking motorways and bringing the flow of commerce to a halt. With Occupy Wall Street the intention to block the Brooklyn Bridge was one key flash point, as were the attempts to block Wall Street itself. As long as the numbers can be sustained these can be powerful tactics but they are tactics of protest and not of transformation.

What anarchism offers as an alternative to Horizontalism is a vision and method that doesn't have simply repeat the endless pattern of government following government. We have a sense of what it might feel like to win even if the route from where we are to that point has yet to be discovered.


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Postby jakell » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:26 pm

Above we have a what seems to be a Leftist approach labeling itself as 'anarchist'. Now there's nothing wrong with a Left leaning slant on anarchism, but it should label itself correctly and not pretend that it is the whole thing.

The use of a quote box would be more appropriate as it is a pasted article.
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Re: An anarchist critique of horizontalism (Andrew Flood)

Postby American Dream » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:36 pm

jakell » Mon Mar 03, 2014 7:26 pm wrote:Above we have a what seems to be a Leftist approach labeling itself as 'anarchist'. Now there's nothing wrong with a Left leaning slant on anarchism, but it should label itself correctly and not pretend that it is the whole thing.


What is your personal history with Anarchism?
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Re: An anarchist critique of horizontalism (Andrew Flood)

Postby jakell » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:44 pm

American Dream » Tue Mar 04, 2014 12:36 am wrote:
jakell » Mon Mar 03, 2014 7:26 pm wrote:Above we have a what seems to be a Leftist approach labeling itself as 'anarchist'. Now there's nothing wrong with a Left leaning slant on anarchism, but it should label itself correctly and not pretend that it is the whole thing.


What is your personal history with Anarchism, jakell?


Described in the first section of the series I've been doing in the 'New Europe' thread.

Just the bare bones though, and using that particular context. Hot air competitions are not my style and context is essential.
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Re: An anarchist critique of horizontalism (Andrew Flood)

Postby American Dream » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:46 pm

jakell » Mon Mar 03, 2014 7:44 pm wrote:
American Dream » Tue Mar 04, 2014 12:36 am wrote:
jakell » Mon Mar 03, 2014 7:26 pm wrote:Above we have a what seems to be a Leftist approach labeling itself as 'anarchist'. Now there's nothing wrong with a Left leaning slant on anarchism, but it should label itself correctly and not pretend that it is the whole thing.


What is your personal history with Anarchism, jakell?


Described in the first section of the series I've been doing in the 'New Europe' thread.

Just the bare bones though, and using that particular context. Hot air competitions are not my style and context is essential.


Could you link to that info here?

It's not so clear what exactly you mean...
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Postby jakell » Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:04 pm

It's been linked to in every subsequent part of that series, surely you've been paying attention to what people post in your own thread.

Go back a few posts from the end and you will find the latest one. Consider this an exercise in actually noticing other posters and what they write.
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Postby American Dream » Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:12 pm

jakell » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:04 pm wrote:It's been linked to in every subsequent part of that series, surely you've been paying attention to what people post in your own thread.

Go back a few posts from the end and you will find the latest one. Consider this an exercise in actually noticing other posters and what they write.


I just recall you making vague allusions to having some sort of (glancing?) familiarity with anarchist ideas and nothing at all about specifically hanging out with actual anarchists.

Is there something I've neglected to mention?
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Re: An anarchist critique of horizontalism (Andrew Flood)

Postby jakell » Tue Mar 04, 2014 5:01 am

American Dream » Tue Mar 04, 2014 3:12 am wrote:
jakell » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:04 pm wrote:It's been linked to in every subsequent part of that series, surely you've been paying attention to what people post in your own thread.

Go back a few posts from the end and you will find the latest one. Consider this an exercise in actually noticing other posters and what they write.


I just recall you making vague allusions to having some sort of (glancing?) familiarity with anarchist ideas and nothing at all about specifically hanging out with actual anarchists.

Is there something I've neglected to mention?


Oh yes, there is stuff you have neglected to mention, and like with most people, these things are created from piecing together a picture from various interactions with different people in different contexts, and I've been here long enough to provide the basics for that. Quite a deal more of the personal angle than you have provided in the same timescale.

What you seem to require is some sort of potted credentials and in a fairly limited format, and real people aren't like that. If I came across someone who presented like this, I would be suspicious of them, not necessarily in a 'bad-guy' way you understand, but about their ability to interact as a fellow human.
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Re: An anarchist critique of horizontalism (Andrew Flood)

Postby Sounder » Tue Mar 04, 2014 7:12 am

I would rather not respond to this somewhat baiting article, but ya go where the conversation is, such as it is.


Perhaps the greatest weakness of these horizontalist movements is that they either lack a class analysis, as was the case with Gezi Park, or replace it with a pretty crude wealth/corruption/corporations concept that lends itself a little too easily too conspiratorial and reformist approaches to fighting for change. This tends to reduce what is wrong to 'evil people making evil decisions’ and the idea that if this is exposed to the light of day change will come about.



Disregarding the strawmen involved, (I hold a view opposite to that expressed in the last sentence.)

The question is; who pays for the guns and brown shirts that the parafacists wear?

The Truth?

We been had. People on both the ‘right’ and the ‘left’, been had.

In 1939 a "Drug Trust" alliance was formed by the Rockefeller empire and the German chemical company IG Farben (Bayer). After World War Two, IG Farben was dismantled but later emerged as separate corporations within the alliance. Well known companies included General Mills, Kellogg, Nestle, Bristol-Myers Squibb, Procter and Gamble, Roche and Hoechst (Sanofi-Aventis). The Rockefeller empire, in tandem with Chase Manhattan Bank (now JP Morgan Chase), owns over half of the pharmaceutical interests in the United States. It is the largest drug manufacturing combine in the world. Since WWII, the pharmaceutical industry has steadily netted increasing profits to become the world's second largest manufacturing industry; [3], [4] after the arms industry.

The Rockefeller Foundation was originally set up in 1904 as the General Education Fund. The RF was later formed in 1910 and issued a charter in 1913 with the help of Rockefeller millions. Subsequently, the foundation placed it's own "nominees" in federal health agencies and set the stage for the "reeducation" of the public. A compilation of magazine advertising reveals that as far back as 1948, larger American drug companies spent a total sum of $1,104,224,374 for advertising. Of this sum, Rockefeller-Morgan interests (which went entirely to Rockefeller after Morgan's death) controlled about 80%. [5] See also AMA.

IG Farben & Auschwitz

Auschwitz was the largest mass extermination factory in human history. However, few people are aware that Auschwitz was a 100% subsidiary of IG Farben. On April 14, 1941, in Ludwigshafen, Otto Armbrust, the IG Farben board member responsible for the Auschwitz project, stated to board colleagues:
"our new friendship with the SS is a blessing. We have determined all measures integrating the concentration camps to benefit our company."


Thousands of prisoners died during human experiments, drug and vaccine testing. Before longtime Bayer employee and SS Auschwitz doctor Helmut Vetter was executed for administering fatal infections, he wrote to his bosses at Bayer headquarters:

"I have thrown myself into my work wholeheartedly. Especially as I have the opportunity to test our new preparations. I feel like I am in paradise."


After WWII, IG Farben attempted to shake its abominable image through corporate restructuring and renaming. So great has been their success that the public has no idea that it many of the men responsible for such atrocities, were able to carry on their work even after the collapse of the Nazi regime. Namely, a medical paradigm that relies almost exclusively highly toxic drugs. Such men were in control of the large chemical and pharmaceutical companies, both well before and after Hitler. The Nuremberg Tribunal convicted 24 IG Farben board members and executives on the basis of mass murder, slavery and other crimes. Incredibly, most of them had been released by 1951 and continued to consult with German corporations. The Nuremberg Tribunal dissolved IG Farben into Bayer, Hoechst and BASF, each company 20 times as large as IG Farben in 1944. For almost three decades after WWII, BASF, Bayer and Hoechst (Aventis) filled their highest position, chairman of the board, with former members of the Nazi regime. Bayer has been sued by survivors of medical experiments such as Eva Kor who, along with her sister, survived experiments at the hands of Dr. Josef Mengele.[6] See also Bayer.



I will provide a link later as the material is used in the Rockefeller consensus thread.

…... The authors' implicit message to the self-proclaimed conspiracy researchers is clear: that all the muckraking investigative journalism in the world will not bring about social change if it is not accompanied by a critical analysis of the economic, political and historical context of the times we're living.

Upon a superficial examination, one would tend to think that the book will appeal to the Bible-thumping, right-wing populists of the John Birch fringe who despise the Rockefellers. This band of the American political spectrum, which has been known to publicize bizarre allegations of a Rockefeller--orchestrated plot to create a socialist world government, will be baffled and perplexed by one of Thy Will be Done's chief conclusions: that they've been had. According to Colby and Dennett, far from being a threat to the Machiavellian power of the Rockefellers, the Christian fundamentalists were extremely useful in furthering the global designs of the heirs of the Standard Oil fortune.


On the other hand, left-leaning liberals will find the book's conclusions even harder to swallow, since the Rockefeller philanthropies (which include the Rockefeller Foundation, the Rockefeller Brothers Fund and the Rockefeller Family Fund) are among the main funding sources of liberal political activism in the US, including civil liberties, feminism and the environmental movement. Beneficiaries of Rockefeller charitable giving in recent years have included groups like Essential Information, the ACLU, the Ms. Foundation, the NOW Legal Defense and Education Fund, Environmental Action, the Student Environmental Action Coalition, the Center for Responsive Politics, the NAACP who are much more likely to say, "Wait, you're being a little unbalanced. Sure, they've done terrible things in the past, but they're funding some really terrific stuff nowadays." As much as one may try to rationalize the embarassing predicament of taking money from the ultra-rich to finance social change, the question remains: What are the prospects for an American progressive agenda when it is heavily dependent on funding from a philanthropic system that owes its fortune to commercial activities that destroy ecosystems worldwide, erode biological diversity and create a holocaust for indigenous peoples? Colby and Dennett do not pose that question to readers, but it will certainly hover ominously over the mind of any American reader whose political beliefs are at least five degrees to the left of National Public Radio or The New Republic.

Thy Will be Done is a very challenging and deeply disturbing book. Although much lip service has been paid to the concept of holistic thinking, Colby and Dennett do actually put together the pieces of the macabre puzzle of the destruction of the Amazon rain-forest and the genocide of its indigenous dwellers and reach conclusions that are unsettling for conservatives and liberals alike. All or most environmentalists agree that the destruction of the Amazon rainforest can't be seen as separate from a host of social, political and economic factors in South America as well as in industrialized countries like the US, but it takes nothing less than a book like Thy Will be Done to show what this actually means.





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…the Rockefeller Brothers Fund Inc., a major think-tank which was incorporated in New York in the 1940. In 1957 the fund brought together the most influential minds of the period under a Special Studies Project whose task was to attempt a definition of American foreign policy. Subpanel II was designated to the study of International Security Objectives and Strategy. [Members included Henry and Clare Booth Luce, publishers of Time, Life, and Fortune Magazines; Laurence and Nelson Rockefeller; Henry Kissinger; and William Bundy of the CIA.]

The convergence between the Rockefeller billions and the US government exceeded even that of the Ford Foundation. John Foster Dulles [a major facilitator of illegal Nazi immigration after the war, often using American charities.88] and later Dean Rusk both went from the presidency of the Rockefeller Foundation to become Secretaries of State. Other Cold War heavies such as John McCloy and Robert Lovett featured prominently as Rockefeller trustees. Nelson Rockefeller’s central position on this foundation guaranteed a close relationship with US intelligence circles: he had been in charge of all intelligence in Latin America during the Second World War. [Where his company, Standard Oil, was distributing pro-Nazi propaganda, hiding patents to protect the German corporate cartels, and diverting fuel oil to the German government in 1941 and throughout the war.89] Later, his associate in Brazil, Colonel J. C. King, became CIA chief of clandestine activities in the western hemisphere. When Nelson Rockefeller was appointed by Eisenhower to the National Security Council in 1954, his job was to approve various covert operations. If he needed any extra information on CIA activities, he could simply ask his old friend Allen Dulles [who Claudia Mullen mentions in her Congressional testimony mentioned earlier.] for a direct briefing. One of the most controversial of these activities was the CIA’s MK-ULTRA – or “Manchurian Candidate” – program of mind-control research during the 1950s. This research was assisted by grants from the Rockefeller Foundation.90 [comments in brackets added]

90 Saunders, F. S. (1999). Who paid the piper? The CIA and the cultural cold war. Granta Books. p. 144.
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Re: An anarchist critique of horizontalism (Andrew Flood)

Postby jakell » Tue Mar 04, 2014 7:30 am

Well Sounder, you certainly seem to have taken the bit beween your teeth there.

From my own perspective, the article is more easily (lazily?) framed as a leftist-anarchist** screed, and as that, the only real beef I had with it was that it portrayed itself as 'anarchist' per se.
I also use the same frame when viewing right leaning anarchist material ie, very likely in the ballpark, but should be seen in context.

The trouble with the Leftist stuff is that it tends towards critique after long winded critique, and sort of begs a response in kind. This can become a kind of sucking bog where, if you are lucky, you will only lose your wellingtons (probably gumboots to Americans)

**If it is anarchist at all.
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Re: An anarchist critique of horizontalism (Andrew Flood)

Postby Sounder » Tue Mar 04, 2014 8:21 am

jakell wrote...
Well Sounder, you certainly seem to have taken the bit between your teeth there.


Yes well, being a 'horizontalist', I have learned to be quite a plow-horse.

From my own perspective, the article is more easily (lazily?) framed as a leftist-anarchist screed, and as that, the only real beef I had with it was that it portrayed itself as 'anarchist' per se.


It seems leftist rather than anarchist, but I admit to knowing little of finer ideological distinctions.

AD's interest is in the para-fascist element, as distinguished from the fascist, and that makes some sense in that these are the foot soldiers that will (gleefully) kill threats to fascist dreams that AD feels he is an exemplar of.

But the dreamer of the dream holds my interest more so than the enforcer of the dream.

The dreamer imposes the fascism on us all while the enforcer has a much more limited task.
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Re: An anarchist critique of horizontalism (Andrew Flood)

Postby American Dream » Tue Mar 04, 2014 8:26 am

jakell » Tue Mar 04, 2014 4:01 am wrote:
American Dream » Tue Mar 04, 2014 3:12 am wrote:
jakell » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:04 pm wrote:It's been linked to in every subsequent part of that series, surely you've been paying attention to what people post in your own thread.

Go back a few posts from the end and you will find the latest one. Consider this an exercise in actually noticing other posters and what they write.


I just recall you making vague allusions to having some sort of (glancing?) familiarity with anarchist ideas and nothing at all about specifically hanging out with actual anarchists.

Is there something I've neglected to mention?


Oh yes, there is stuff you have neglected to mention, and like with most people, these things are created from piecing together a picture from various interactions with different people in different contexts, and I've been here long enough to provide the basics for that. Quite a deal more of the personal angle than you have provided in the same timescale.

What you seem to require is some sort of potted credentials and in a fairly limited format, and real people aren't like that. If I came across someone who presented like this, I would be suspicious of them, not necessarily in a 'bad-guy' way you understand, but about their ability to interact as a fellow human.


So you've actually hung out with some anarchists?

Feel like telling us something about that? What were your experiences? Where does that leave you in relation to Anarchism now?

I don't think you've told us much of anything about this before- I sure don't recall ever seeing anything more than vague allusions here...
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Re: An anarchist critique of horizontalism (Andrew Flood)

Postby jakell » Tue Mar 04, 2014 8:42 am

Sounder » Tue Mar 04, 2014 12:21 pm wrote:jakell wrote...
Well Sounder, you certainly seem to have taken the bit between your teeth there.


Yes well, being a 'horizontalist', I have learned to be quite a plow-horse.

From my own perspective, the article is more easily (lazily?) framed as a leftist-anarchist screed, and as that, the only real beef I had with it was that it portrayed itself as 'anarchist' per se.


It seems leftist rather than anarchist, but I admit to knowing little of finer ideological distinctions.

AD's interest is in the para-fascist element, as distinguished from the fascist, and that makes some sense in that these are the foot soldiers that will (gleefully) kill threats to fascist dreams that AD feels he is an exemplar of.

But the dreamer of the dream holds my interest more so than the enforcer of the dream.

The dreamer imposes the fascism on us all while the enforcer has a much more limited task.


Yes, I was being kind there, giving the author the benefit of the doubt after making so many claims.

The advantage of this para/crypto-fascist preference is that it allows leeway for a great deal of thin speculation without being easily refuted.

I share your focus as described in the last two sentences. Look behind all the 'anti-fascism' stuff and you see something of similar fervour, but qualitatively different.
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Re: An anarchist critique of horizontalism (Andrew Flood)

Postby Sounder » Tue Mar 04, 2014 8:52 am

Another typical thread that is about 'us' and not the OP.

Here AD posts an article on horizantalism and when an attempted rebuttal is made, the discussion that results from this passive aggressive display by proxy, is, surprise, suprise, nada.

Sigh, I suppose I must be a Nazi and not worthy of rehabilitation.
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Sounder » Tue Mar 04, 2014 12:52 pm wrote:Sigh, I suppose I must be a Nazi and not worthy of rehabilitation.


Ah. someone's been paying attention. I thought that remark was worthy of a second look too.
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