Fascists are the Tools of the State

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Re: Fascists are the Tools of the State

Postby Karmamatterz » Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:44 pm

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A more general point about free speech that many of the most vocal proponents fail to grasp: freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences. Other people have a right to not associate with you if they think you're a dick, and to kick you off their property (or forum) if they don't like what you're saying. A newspaper isn't denying you freedom of speech just because it won't print your letter to the editor.


I fully grasp the consequences of certain free speech, thus my fire in the theater reference. Let apply it to public speaking. In your mind do you think those you strongly disagree with should have the right to speak? Do you believe you have the right to disrupt their speech? Punch them in the mouth?

I don't write diatribes bashing women or promoting porn. I do engage in ocassioanl debauchery though, but not only in Las Vegas, to reference the shootings thread.

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So you immediately label someone who you disagree with a right winger? Tsk tsk.... you can do better than that. if I were a right winger I wouldn't bother ever visiting RI. Perhaps you are fond of echo chambers?
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Re: Fascists are the Tools of the State

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Karmamatterz » Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:44 pm wrote:@DrEvil

A more general point about free speech that many of the most vocal proponents fail to grasp: freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences. Other people have a right to not associate with you if they think you're a dick, and to kick you off their property (or forum) if they don't like what you're saying. A newspaper isn't denying you freedom of speech just because it won't print your letter to the editor.


I fully grasp the consequences of certain free speech, thus my fire in the theater reference. Let apply it to public speaking. In your mind do you think those you strongly disagree with should have the right to speak? Do you believe you have the right to disrupt their speech? Punch them in the mouth?

I don't write diatribes bashing women or promoting porn. I do engage in ocassioanl debauchery though, but not only in Las Vegas, to reference the shootings thread.

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So you immediately label someone who you disagree with a right winger? Tsk tsk.... you can do better than that. if I were a right winger I wouldn't bother ever visiting RI. Perhaps you are fond of echo chambers?


You use contemporary neoliberal capitalist talking points to enable platforms for proponents of ethnic cleansing and the oppression of free speech and free bodies. That enablement makes you center-right at best. Apologists for genocide should be denied platforming and actively removed from public spaces, by the public. When this is impossible they should be opposed by necessary means. Rational states don't negotiate with terror.
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Re: Fascists are the Tools of the State

Postby Karmamatterz » Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:29 am

You use contemporary neoliberal capitalist talking points to enable platforms for proponents of ethnic cleansing and the oppression of free speech and free bodies. That enablement makes you center-right at best. Apologists for genocide should be denied platforming and actively removed from public spaces, by the public. When this is impossible they should be opposed by necessary means. Rational states don't negotiate with terror.


Incorrect, I do not seek to enable platforms for those who seek ethnic cleansing or genocide. I believe based on our rights of free speech that anybody can pretty much say what they want and have any platform they want. Obviously we still have the consequences for yelling fire in a theater. Either we live in a nation state that practices free speech or we don't. Once you start having some speech being banned because it's extremely distasteful you go down the slippery slope of gradually curbing free speech. False logic to call me an apologist for genocide. You're simply wrong. I mentioned in some other thread about how there seems to be quite a bit of apologizing for the Marxist/Communists in their efforts to wipe out cultures and ethnic groups. Using your logic those "apologists" should then be shut down. Picking and choosing which fascists or murderers are allowed a platform and which aren't is an interesting practice, one which leads to massive cognitive dissonance.

This constant drumbeat to label someone who disagrees on RI a Nazi, apologist for genocide etc... is so rampant it's no wonder others have left the board, or just lurk now and then scratching their heads with eye rolls.

The current climate in our country clamors for the rights of this and that, it's a huge list. But when it comes down to possibly the most important right we have, free speech, there are some who apparently believe it's appropriate for me but not for thee. This so called "democracy" we live in (America) is a messy place. It's a place where we're supposed to be able to speak freely without worry of being persecuted. But we do have some protection for speech and other certain rights. There is NOTHING wrong with a private venue not renting space to Kluckers, Nazis, communists, fascists, gays, straights, etc....if they don't want to. Private venues are not necessarily public spaces open for all to use. But when it comes to the public domain where generally most things are allowed then all voices should be allowed. Doesn't mean you have to like it. Words don't kill, actions do. Obviously we have laws against actions that cause harm to others.

Banning certain speech only drives it underground where it festers in the dark. Letting the clowns speak openly only exposes them for their idiotic, hateful, fear mongering messages. It's better to have open dialogue and use messaging that promotes unity, cooperation, negotiation and working together than simply shutting down others. Continually harping on the differences of others does not bring people together. Finding common ground does. Repressing even the most hateful groups does not make those people less determined.

Think of a bratty child seeking attention and acting out. Do you engage with them or ignore them?
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Re: Fascists are the Tools of the State

Postby OP ED » Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:30 am

Karmamatterz » Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:29 am wrote:
You use contemporary neoliberal capitalist talking points to enable platforms for proponents of ethnic cleansing and the oppression of free speech and free bodies. That enablement makes you center-right at best. Apologists for genocide should be denied platforming and actively removed from public spaces, by the public. When this is impossible they should be opposed by necessary means. Rational states don't negotiate with terror.


Incorrect, I do not seek to enable platforms for those who seek ethnic cleansing or genocide. I believe based on our rights of free speech that anybody can pretty much say what they want and have any platform they want. Obviously we still have the consequences for yelling fire in a theater. Either we live in a nation state that practices free speech or we don't. Once you start having some speech being banned because it's extremely distasteful you go down the slippery slope of gradually curbing free speech. False logic to call me an apologist for genocide. You're simply wrong.


I said your political approach enables apologetics for genocide. That's not quite the same. If you were actually doing apologetics for genocide you'd have been banned ages ago.

Being permitted to have speech even in public space isn't the same as being entitled to a platform. This is not in the Constitution anyway. Not that we're magically bound to some ancient document that Americans have a weird fetish for. We've already made changes to the document because of obvious flaws in its design, it is silly to assume that we can't change it whenever we want.

I mentioned in some other thread about how there seems to be quite a bit of apologizing for the Marxist/Communists in their efforts to wipe out cultures and ethnic groups. Using your logic those "apologists" should then be shut down. Picking and choosing which fascists or murderers are allowed a platform and which aren't is an interesting practice, one which leads to massive cognitive dissonance.



Yes, all active proponents of genocide, under whatever dogwhistle cloaks shouldn't be given an opportunity to speak to anyone other than a court room.

You're also talking about tank communism attempting to revise history on the internet I think, which isn't the type of speech I'm talking about. I'm talking about current groups with active plans for future genocide. This is actually already mostly illegal, several white nationalist and neonazi groups have been officially terrorists for some time. That's because groups with genocide as stated goals pretty much start any group meeting at the edge of criminal conspiracy, which isn't protected speech.

This constant drumbeat to label someone who disagrees on RI a Nazi, apologist for genocide etc... is so rampant it's no wonder others have left the board, or just lurk now and then scratching their heads with eye rolls.


If people don't want to be associated with neonazi or other alt-right (itself a neonazi term) groups then they should avoid the appearance of trying to make safe spaces for murderous ideological warfare. I didn't say that your logic was enabling racism because I disagree with it. I disagree with it because it enables racist platforms.


The current climate in our country clamors for the rights of this and that, it's a huge list. But when it comes down to possibly the most important right we have, free speech, there are some who apparently believe it's appropriate for me but not for thee. This so called "democracy" we live in (America) is a messy place. It's a place where we're supposed to be able to speak freely without worry of being persecuted. But we do have some protection for speech and other certain rights. There is NOTHING wrong with a private venue not renting space to Kluckers, Nazis, communists, fascists, gays, straights, etc....if they don't want to. Private venues are not necessarily public spaces open for all to use. But when it comes to the public domain where generally most things are allowed then all voices should be allowed. Doesn't mean you have to like it. Words don't kill, actions do. Obviously we have laws against actions that cause harm to others.



Indeed we have such laws but they're unevenly enforced. BLM who are actually protesting racism are actively targeted by the same policemen that Spencer's documents list as "friendly" forces in the fight for expanding racism.

As far as words not killing anyone:

Try explaining that to Roman Polanski. You're probably going to have to do it twice. (that's how many times his family was murdered by someone talking)
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I probably don't share your views on private property, or "rights", but it's interesting and it makes me wonder:

Do you think Nazis, like card carrying members should be unbanned from RI ?

Why or why not?


Banning certain speech only drives it underground where it festers in the dark. Letting the clowns speak openly only exposes them for their idiotic, hateful, fear mongering messages. It's better to have open dialogue and use messaging that promotes unity, cooperation, negotiation and working together than simply shutting down others. Continually harping on the differences of others does not bring people together. Finding common ground does. Repressing even the most hateful groups does not make those people less determined.

Think of a bratty child seeking attention and acting out. Do you engage with them or ignore them?



Depends. If my daughter was being snotty because Mom cut off the Halloween candy, as a gluttony-sympathist I would probably try to remain officially neutral while passive aggressively agitating and organizing against suppression of glutton rights. If she was using a bullhorn to advocate for the future ethnostate and its inherently implied oppression and genocide of her neighbors I would probably consider spanking to be within the realm of possibility.

Which is to say that your comparison is ridiculous.

Abuse of lopsided "rights" and it's quiet enablement by temporary political allies (in bad faith) once allowed a group that started with about 200 members to acquire enough power and public approval/apathy that they could start a conflict that directly resulted in around 500,000 deaths for each one of them.

All criminal conspiracy starts as words.
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Re: Fascists are the Tools of the State

Postby DrEvil » Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:12 pm

Karmamatterz » Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:44 am wrote:@DrEvil

A more general point about free speech that many of the most vocal proponents fail to grasp: freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences. Other people have a right to not associate with you if they think you're a dick, and to kick you off their property (or forum) if they don't like what you're saying. A newspaper isn't denying you freedom of speech just because it won't print your letter to the editor.


I fully grasp the consequences of certain free speech, thus my fire in the theater reference. Let apply it to public speaking. In your mind do you think those you strongly disagree with should have the right to speak? Do you believe you have the right to disrupt their speech? Punch them in the mouth?

I don't write diatribes bashing women or promoting porn. I do engage in ocassioanl debauchery though, but not only in Las Vegas, to reference the shootings thread.

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Generally speaking, disrupting speech and punching people is not something I support, but I think Nazis are a special case, and I include their modern brethren in the alt-right in that label. They had their chance, and it ended in a deliberate horror show of unprecedented proportions. They should never be given even the smallest chance, and if that requires the occasional disruption or punch to the face then I'm fine with that.

Oh, and for the record, I wasn't accusing you of being an MRA activist or anything. I just used those things as obvious examples of what would not be OK to post here.
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Re: Fascists are the Tools of the State

Postby Karmamatterz » Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:58 pm

Generally speaking, disrupting speech and punching people is not something I support, but I think Nazis are a special case, and I include their modern brethren in the alt-right in that label. They had their chance, and it ended in a deliberate horror show of unprecedented proportions. They should never be given even the smallest chance, and if that requires the occasional disruption or punch to the face then I'm fine with that.

Oh, and for the record, I wasn't accusing you of being an MRA activist or anything. I just used those things as obvious examples of what would not be OK to post here.


Have to admit there are a few fascists I would have gladly punched in my youth, but not the clowns that march in streets. They are merely thugs. I'm talking about the truly evil fuckers that wear the masks of elected officials. The ones that authorize the smart bombs and drone strikes. The ones that signed the Patriot Act and spy on the citizens. The street clowns are just a side show.

The Marxists and Commies are of the same cloth when it comes to them having had their chance. They were and still are evil fucks.

Now that I'm getting older I believe more in a bottoms up approach. The government or "party" is not my friend or savior.
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Re: Fascists are the Tools of the State

Postby 8bitagent » Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:23 am

It's interesting the "khaki and slacks" faces of the WN alt right are trying to paint themselves in a social justice warrior victim logic in front of the cameras(we just want our free speech and rights!), when (shocker!) internal chat logs and communication within those current grouos ( as exposed by Unicorn Riot, Its going Down, and other anti fascist sites) reveals that privately wanting all sorts of violence to happen. It's clear tho, that the white brace and shaved head bonehead militants of the old 80s/90s racist guard are now the disaffected 4chan internet nerds riled up into being "lone wolves". times change, but the insidious violent fantasies and ideologies dont. Sadly the Fields and Roofers of the sewage pit of America, or the Mcveighs and Breiviks arent going away anytime soon.

Of course, the neo nazi obsession with hating communists doesnt make state run communism any less of a menace historically. Communist regimes are responsible for the death of tens of millions of people. But its the horror of hate doesnt seem confined to any one group lately. The Buddhist ethnic cleansing against Muslims in Myanmar/Burma, the ISIS ethnic cleansing against Kurds/Yazidis/Christians of 2014-2017, the countless Muslims killed by US and Western coalition in the last 15 years, and all the other hate filled ugliness in the world shows how mankind will never cease dehumanizing and othering people into genocide.
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Re: Fascists are the Tools of the State

Postby American Dream » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:08 pm

Does the military have a white nationalism problem?

In 2008, the FBI released a comprehensive report on this phenomenon, titled "White Supremacist Recruitment of Military Personnel Since 9/11." It noted: "Extremist leaders seek to recruit members with military experience in order to exploit their discipline, knowledge of firearms, explosives and tactical skills as well as [in the case of active-duty soldiers] their access to weapons and intelligence."

Efforts to tackle the problem were stymied in 2009, however, when the Department of Homeland Security released a similar report detailing the national security expert concerns about a potential rise in white supremacist activity that might follow the election of a black president. Sensing an opportunity to score political points against Barack Obama, the right-wing pounced, falsely accusing the Obama administration of trying to paint everyone with conservative views as a terrorist. The Obama administration then made the grotesque error of repudiating the paper, authored by domestic terrorism expert Daryl Johnson, and cutting resources devoted to fighting white supremacist movements.

It was arguably one of Obama's biggest mistakes. (He eventually learned not to flinch in the face of right-wing lies, but it took a while.) There was indeed a significant rise in right-wing terrorism, just as Johnson had predicted. And much of it has been fueled by white nationalists and their sympathizers, who either seek out military experience or become radicalized in the military.

“It creates what we call the Timothy McVeigh syndrome," Neiwert explained. “These guys are, by nature, better trained at killing people. They are better trained at using materials, using weapons, having strategies that are designed to pull off military operations.”

In 2011, Kevin Harpham, an Army veteran, attempted to bomb a Martin Luther King Jr. Day parade in Spokane, Washington. Wade Michael Page, who killed six people at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin in 2012, appears to have begun embracing neo-Nazi views during his time in the Army. In the same year, a group of former and active military members were arrested for plotting to assassinate Obama -- and for killing two of their own co-conspirators to keep their plans secret. James Alex Fields, the white supremacist who crashed his car into a crowd of anti-racist protesters in Charlottesville, killing Heather Heyer — also served in the military. The leader of Vanguard America, the neo-Nazi group to which Fields allegedly belonged, served as a Marine in 2005.

None of this should be interpreted to mean that the military is itself a racist institution, McCoy said, noting that most troops in the Military Times survey rejected white nationalism. "But I would say that white nationalists are attracted to the military."

“What we’ve seen is these extremists often cloak themselves in the imagery and the legitimacy of the military, in order to try to justify their ideology," he added. "They’ll try to use the military as props."

When McCoy was serving, he explained, there was a scandal involving a Marine scout sniper platoon that was discovered to be using a Nazi SS flag and insignia.


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Re: Fascists are the Tools of the State

Postby American Dream » Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:18 am

Giuseppe Pinelli - Death of an Anarchist

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A radio interview by the BBC History Hour program on the death of the Anarchist Railway worker Giuseppe Pinelli and a discussion of the Strategy of Tension period of Italian politics.

The 1970's were a dangerous time to be politically active in Italy. Neo Fascist paramilitaries were mounting a prolonged bombing campaign killing many. As an extra sting the fascists often posed as left wing guerrilla's in an attempt to provoke and justify an authoritarian crackdown. There were leftist paramilitaries most well known were the Rosa brigades, but they tended to focus on kidnappings and assassinations instead of bombing public buildings and train stations.

After one such bombing Giuseppe Pinelli a local railroad worker and Anarchist activist was arrested in a dragnet. Whilst in police custody he went through a fourth floor window. The police maintained that he accidentally went through the window of his own accord, but the official story was so full of holes an entire play was written debunking it.

In 2001 a new investigation found three members of a Neo Fascist group responsible for the bombing that Giuseppe Pinelli had been detained for. So in addition to being killed by police he was innocent of the charges too.


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Re: Fascists are the Tools of the State

Postby American Dream » Thu Nov 02, 2017 1:12 pm

In Greece, resistance to austerity comprises a mosaic of struggles for a right to the city, conceived as the collective self-determination of everyday life.


The Right to the City in an Age of Austerity

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SPATIAL CONTROL BY PROXY

The spatial narrative of the neoliberal state always involves a “backwards” population which should be “ushered into the civilized world.” The state poses as a force of “rationalization,” which extends its control over the city and combats “submerged” and “informal” practices in order to bring the totality of the population under the rule of law. The reality, however, is quite different. In a context of injustice and popular anger brought about by neoliberal restructuring, the role of the state is to contain resistances, enforce the ongoing processes of exclusion and maintain social peace by any means. Interestingly, while the Greek state employed many “formal” repressive practices — increased surveillance, judicial persecution of social struggles — it largely resorted to “informal” avenues. Examples include brutal crowd control techniques, systematic framing, beating and torture of activists by the forces of order and, most prominently, new techniques of spatial control by proxy.

One such technique is the collusion of the police with the neo-Nazi party of Golden Dawn to overtly “besiege” the city. Golden Dawn first emerged in the public spotlight when they hijacked a “citizens’ committee” in the working-class central Athenian neighborhood of Ayios Panteleimonas, using it as a vehicle to impose an “ethnic cleansing.” Immigrants were violently attacked and expelled from the area by violent mobs, solidarity marches protesting the siege were teargassed by riot police, even the playground in the central square was locked and guarded so it was not used by immigrant families.

As we are presently witnessing throughout the Global North, perceived threats to a society’s stability may activate reactionary and xenophobic reflexes. Through carrot-and-stick tactics, Golden Dawn took advantage of the collapse of the two-party system that had predominated since the 1974 transition to democracy. On the one hand, it cultivated a “Robin Hood” image by organizing food hand-outs and blood donations “for Greeks only” — a perverted and exclusionary kind of “commoning.” On the other hand, it began a reign of terror, with neo-Nazi death squads patrolling the streets in many neighborhoods and attacking anyone looking “undesirable” —anyone looking like an immigrant, a homosexual, a transsexual, a radical and so on — with the blessing or the direct participation of the police. The xenophobic campaign lasted several years, and it left hundreds of victims. It was only after the murder of anti-fascist rapper Pavlos Fyssas and the subsequent intensification of decentralized antifa tactics by social movements that the streets could be reclaimed. Under popular pressure, the state decided to “put a leash” on its erstwhile allies.

A similar kind of “spatial control by proxy” has been implemented in the case of Exarcheia for a long time now. The police actively pushes organized drug-dealing gangs towards the area, long an urban stronghold of the anarchist movement, in an effort to erode the radical collectives and communities that populate it. As a result, heroin trade runs rampant, anti-social behaviors are frequent and ruthless mafias rule their “territory” with an iron fist. Recently, anarchist groups decided to take matters into their own hands and push the gangs out of Exarcheia by organizing self-defense militias to patrol the neighborhood. While it is too early to say whether it has been successful, this is an immensely complex endeavor, as the direct questioning of the state’s monopoly of violence raises thorny questions related to the social legitimation of the militias, collective responsibility and reasonable use of force.

In the light of the above examples, the idea that the neoliberal state is an agent of “rationalization” that combats submerged and informal practices is discredited. Rather, the state has the power to decide which informal practices will be tolerated or even promoted and which ones will be persecuted, according to its current tactics.


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Re: Fascists are the Tools of the State

Postby American Dream » Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:10 pm

False Rumors of an Antifa Uprising Spread on Social Media

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At an August protest in Boston, counterdemonstrators outnumbered a small contingent from the "alt-right" that attempted to stage a free speech rally. (Michael Nigro)


According to “alt-right” conspiracy theories spreading on YouTube and far-right outlets, anti-Trump demonstrators who refer to themselves as the antifa, or anti-fascists, will unite in an uprising Saturday to “take down America in one eventful night.” Antifa spokespeople say no such uprising is planned.

Mic reports:

According to some online conservative circles, anti-fascist activists — or “antifa supersoldiers,” depending who you ask — have plans to “behead all white parents” and attack “small-business owners,” “kill every single Trump voter,” team up with violent gangs and go on a rampage, killing every conservative they can find.

The actions have been billed as “bigger than anything the likes of which we’ve ever seen,” with supporters of President Donald Trump urged to “prepare with bullets, food and water.” Conservative activists have been reporting alleged antifa accounts for making serious, violent threats to conservatives in the build-up to the day of action.


Time notes that the far right’s perception of antifa is often misguided: “It’s also worth noting that ‘Antifa’ … is not a single group. Rather it’s a broad term for a very loose confederation of left-wing activist types, acting both individually and under the aegis of smaller political groups. They’re all tenuously strung together by nothing more than an opposition to Trump and a willingness to make it known publicly.”

The conspiracy theories about Nov. 4 seem to have sprung from a post by YouTuber and blogger Paul Joseph Watson on the conspiracy-laden, right-wing site InfoWars, claiming that an antifa document calls for a “civil war” between Trump supporters and antifa on this date. Watson links to a statement from the Revolutionary Communist Party, USA, calling for demonstrations against Trump—but not “violence,” “riots” or “civil war,” as Watson wrote. Professed tactics include a “passionate speak-out with music and participatory art,” not violent insurrection.

How did the “civil war” language make its way into Watson’s interpretation of the nonviolent language of Refuse Fascism? Time explains:

It started with a person named Jordan Peltz, whose social media platforms carry photos and videos of himself dressed in paramilitary uniform. His work, he says, is #fugitiverecovery. In a video posted in late August titled “ANTIFA Has To Go!”, Peltz insinuated that the leftist movement was planning a “civil war” in November.

In late September, the rumors made it to InfoWars, the online paper of record for far-right conspiracy theorists, which conflated them with the non-violent protests planned by Refuse Fascism. From there, the prospect of an insurrection on Nov. 4 snowballed…”


The rumors have been amplified by conservative media outlets like Fox News, which referenced the impending “Antifa apocalypse.” Other InfoWars personalities fostered the rumors, with Alex Jones telling his viewers that “we have a flood of antifa saying that they’re preparing with weapons, knives and guns to kill conservatives, patriots and white people en masse.” YouTuber Jordan Peltz said in a clip that went viral, “On their website, they are calling for an open civil war that they will start here in the United States in November. They are fundraising for weapons, training, ammunition, suppliers. They are not hiding this. They are openly fundraising so they can attack.”

Other far-right activists erroneously claimed that law enforcement sources told them such things as that Black Lives Matter received “almost 25 million [dollars] for weapons and other tools to supply groups that plan to attack ‘white people,’ ” that President Trump had authorized “over 4 million military people” to prepare for a war with antifa, and that “800,000” antifa soldiers were going to unite and fight with MS-13.

“The end game here is martial law,” another video warns, “provoking Republicans, patriots, whatever, you and me, into this huge battle, whether it’s just fighting or whether it’s guns. What they will do is they will throw up their arms and say, ‘I told you so, they’re violent.’ … They want us out there, with our weapons so the government will commence with martial law. And then, I believe, serious gun control-slash-confiscation.”

The sheer magnitude of far-right messaging on social media perpetuating the rumors has raised questions about the danger of the rumors being used as a tool to stifle free speech. One Twitter user, @KrangTNelson, a left-leaning humorist known for acerbic remarks, was mass reported by far-right users after tweeting the obviously sarcastic remark: “can’t wait for November 4th when millions of antifa supersoldiers will behead all white parents and small business owners in the town square.” Krang’s account was subsequently suspended after the reports, raising questions about how Twitter enforces its policies: Krang was punished for a sardonic response to an outrageous rumor, while the American Nazi Party’s account seems to be deemed within the realm of rule-following.


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Postby American Dream » Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:48 pm

Why Does the "Alt-Right" Support North Korea?

Tuesday, November 07, 2017
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Nationalism Against Globalism

The war of words, and potentially of arms, is an idea wholly rejected by the "alt-right," the insurrectionary white nationalist contingent that rode Trump's campaign into the culture over the last two years. Matthew Heimbach, the founder of the white nationalist Traditionalist Workers Party, took to his podcast last year to vocalize his support for the North Korean government and, what he noted, was its politics of racial identity.

"North Korea is a nation that stands against imperialism and globalism around the world," says Heimbach, disingenuously using anti-imperialist rhetoric.

"The battle of the 21st century is nationalism against globalism.... The very identity of the nation comes from an actual national socialist perspective, specifically also deriving elements from Japanese fascism."

From "alt-right" publisher Counter-Currents to AltRight.com, the idea that Trump could engage in a preemptive military contest with Kim Jong-un was derided in the strongest terms. For a left that assumes the vulgar white supremacy of the "alt-right" would lead to jingoist chauvinism in its foreign policy, this seems like a contradiction in terms. For the "alt-right," this actually presents one of the few moments of internal consistency and clarity and elucidates exactly the mobility its talking points have.

The Cleanest Race

Heimbach made his declarations of support for the Kim legacy after reading The Cleanest Race, a book by liberal American-Korean academic Brian R. Myers on the culture and identity of the DPRK. By looking at North Korea's propaganda, and the way that it discusses itself specifically, Myers took a novel diversion from the typical presentation of the DPRK as either a Stalinist "socialism in one country" state or a regal monarchy. While Kim Il-sung developed a Maoist-inspired revolution in Korea, he strongly diverted from the Marxist-Leninist focus on class identity over reactionary national caste. Instead, Il-sung was inspired by the colonial influence of imperial Japanese fascism, the State Shinto of palingenetic myths and ultra-nationalism.

The strong authoritarian leadership derives from a mythic notion of leadership, one who gains their power by stoking xenophobia, national impulsiveness and the belief in the innate purity of the Korean ethnic group inhabiting the DPRK. This "paranoid race-based nationalism," as Myers identifies it, is at the heart of the development of Korea's politics, especially foreign policy, where Kim Jong-il and Kim Jong-un inspire confidence in their leadership by focusing on the degeneracy of Western imperialism. This shift away from Marxism and instead to a type of national socialism comes in the development of Juche, which means "self-reliance," which is sort of a "Korea First" ethic of isolationism. While focusing on the crimes of the US, including very real and devastating harm, the North Korean leaders also focus on portraying the West as ethnically polluted, which is in contrast to the mythic purity of the Korean people.

While Myers's analysis has remained controversial in the study of North Korean policy, it has permeated a fascist movement that is always looking for allies, even across the racial divide. Counter-Currents went as far as to publish a review of the book, citing it in a host of articles outlining the example of the "Ethno-state" that the DPRK provides.


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Re: Fascists are the Tools of the State

Postby American Dream » Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:59 pm

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The Charlottesville Unite the Right rally and the Idenitarian march in Germany.


The Extreme Right Is More Global Than Ever

"What we're seeing, especially from the coalition building from the European Identitarians and the Americans, is that they've tried to leverage those different comparative advantages each of them has," said Ebner. "The Americans have the advantage of the trolling and [online activities] and the Europeans have more of the intellectual backbone of the movement, but also more experience in staging media stunts and rallies."

According to the study, the far-right movement is recruiting through mainstream channels on the internet, not just your 4chans. By utilizing mouthpieces like Richard Spencer and more "palatable" organizations, the extreme movement is able to "penetrate new audiences" who normally would be repulsed by the fringe right. They're increasingly targeting "normies" within Generation Z for radicalization by acting the part of the counterculture pushing back on the progressive hegemony.

"Their recruitment of the youth come through their gamification of their information campaigns, the way in which you can get involved, the way in which you can become an activist online," said Davey. "It's fringe weaponization of internet culture that leads to memetic warfare, the clever flirtations with the fringes of the internet, this cross-breeding with gamer culture."

One of the researcher's case studies—the Charlottesville Unite the Right rally in August where anti-racist protest Heather Heyer was struck and killed by a car driven by a white nationalist—has since become searing evidence of the existence of the far-right in North America and the transition from the online realm to real-world activity. By analyzing the communication surrounding the event, Ebner and Davey found that the event bridged many groups together by utilizing several messaging points about the rally, each of them tailored for a separate target audience. Further analyzation of the Twitter traffic surrounding #unitetheright showed what the primary grievances of the attendees were: Race was number one, followed by anti-left sentiment at number two.


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Courtesy of the Institute for Strategic Dialogue, The Fringe Insurgency.

Their most recent case study, the German election, is focused on studying a recent trend emerging in the far right around their world—the far right's eagerness to disrupt and impact elections. In the French, American, and German elections, the far right mobilized extremely active campaigns to various levels of success. Ebner and Davey write in their study that a cohesive unit of European and American far-right "troll armies" were able to drive two of the most powerful hashtags on Twitter in the days leading up to the German election.

The study says that the European groups "exchanged know-how with the American alt-right," and it showcased "extreme right-wing grassroots explicitly declared an 'Infokrieg' ('info war') mobilized across a range of message boards and encrypted apps." This is a trend that Davey believes will continue.


"What needs to warrant more attention in the future is their attempts to disrupt the democratic process," said Davey. "They worked to do it in the French, American, and German election to different degrees of success. They're going to keep trying to do this so we have to be aware of this subversive lobbying."

One of the most disturbing portions of the paper found that the extreme right's "sophisticated and coordinated media disruption techniques and psy-ops are based on military guides such as leaked GCHQ and NATO's strategic communication documents."

"One of the most surprising elements was the degree to which they've used their own government's military documents actually against their own government and against their own democratic processes and structures," Ebner said. "I found that quite scary—they could simply access these documents and implement them quite skillfully."


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Postby American Dream » Fri Nov 10, 2017 2:03 pm

Dead fascist poets society: why CasaPound are no book club

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The liberal commentariat seems to be completely unable to resist the allure of the far-right. The latest example: an article on Literary Hub that portrays violent neo-fascist gang CasaPound as some sort of edgy poetry club.

Not to put too fine a point on it, Daniel Swift’s piece, Hanging Out With the Italian Neo-Fascists Who Idolise Ezra Pound, is appalling. It is the careless journalism of someone who, knowing little Italian and even less about Italian politics, has conversed with fascists and regurgitated whatever they told him. The result is a completely distorted representation of what the group is about and how they operate.

The building in which Swift's interview takes place, which CasaPound militant Adriano Scianca's claims they are 'occupying', was in fact bought for them in 2012 by none other than the Mayor of Rome, using €11.8 million of local government money. The Mayor at the time was Gianni Alemanno, a man steeped in the history of Italian fascism: a leading member of the Italian Social Movement (MSI - the postwar reformation of Mussolini’s Fascist Party) and later the far-right National Alliance; even his wife, Isabella Rauti, was the daughter Pino Rauti, ex-leader of the MSI whose name crops up in relation to numerous cases of far-right terrorism, including the 1969 Piazza Fontana bombing.

Gianni Alemanno’s son, Manfredi, would follow in his father’s far-right footsteps: in 2011, he put himself forward as a candidate for student elections at his college for Blocco Studentesco, the youth wing of CasaPound. Two years previously, after throwing Roman salutes and getting into a fight at a party, Manfredi was protected from prosecution by police with connections to his dad.

So the idea of these guys as a plucky, if rough-round-the-edges, group of rebels doing their bit for the community against all odds is laughable. They’re a far-right gang with links to both fascist terrorists and the highest echelons of Italian politics.


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Re: Fascists are the Tools of the State

Postby American Dream » Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:44 pm

NSU UPDATE

In the year since the last issue of datacide came out there has been continued fallout from the scandal surrounding the activities of the National Socialist Underground terror group and the involvement of the state security forces in the extreme right. Well, at least until about May, which is when the court case against Beate Zschäpe finally started after a few weeks delay. One reason for the delay was that the 50 seats for the press had been allocated, and not a single Turkish newspaper was allowed to report from inside the courtroom. Needless to say, there is considerable interest in the case in Turkey, as most of the victims had Turkish roots. Finally, the seats were rearranged and the trial could start.

There are obvously many open questions: Where did the NSU come from, and how was it possible it was not detected for so many years despite the fact that the state security had paid agents very close to the perpetrators of the killing spree?


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