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Officials from Western states talk of taking control of public land from feds
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THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
SALT LAKE CITY — Officials from nine Western states say it’s time they take control of federal lands within their borders.
The lawmakers and county commissioners met at Utah’s Capitol on Friday to discuss their joint goal of wresting oil-, timber- and mineral-rich lands away from the feds.
The Legislative Summit on the Transfer of Public Lands, as it was called, was not publicized until midday, when the Utah House sent out notice of a 4:30 p.m. news conference.
The result of the meeting wasn’t clear. But at the news conference, Utah House Speaker Becky Lockhart said it was in the works before this month’s standoff between Southern Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy and the Bureau of Land Management.
The BLM rounded up hundreds of Bundy’s cattle, saying he hasn’t paid more than $1 million in grazing fees he owes for trespassing on federal lands since the 1990s. But Bundy does not recognize federal authority on the land, which his family has used since the 1870s.
The BLM released the cattle after a showdown last weekend with angry armed protesters.
“What’s happened in Nevada is really just a symptom of a much larger problem,” Lockhart said, according to The Salt Lake Tribune.
Montana state Sen. Jennifer Fielder said federal land management is hamstrung by bad policies, politicized science and severe federal budget cuts.
“Those of us who live in the rural areas know how to take care of lands,” said Fielder, a Republican who lives in the northwestern Montana town of Thompson Falls. “We have to start managing these lands. It’s the right thing to do for our people, for our environment, for our economy and for our freedoms.”
Idaho, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, Wyoming, Oregon and Washington also were represented, but none of the other states has gone as far as Utah, where lawmakers passed a measure demanding that the federal government extinguish title to federal lands.
The lawmakers and Gov. Gary Herber have said they’re only asking the federal government to make good on promises made in the 1894 Enabling Act for Utah to become a state. The intent was never to take over national parks and wilderness created by an act of Congress, said Lockhart, a Republican from Provo.
“We are not interested in having control of every acre,” she said. “There are lands that are off the table that rightly have been designated by the federal government.”
The University of Utah is conducting a study called for by the legislation to analyze how Utah could manage the land now in federal control.
Wombaticus Rex » Sun Apr 20, 2014 10:09 am wrote:Agenda 21 was drafted by the bureaucrats and interns, one of a billion "big idea" papers left in the wake of neoliberal globalization, a hollow statement of noble aspirations stated as strongly as decorum will permit, a copywriting exercise to mine for future speeches, forgotten even by its own architects at this point.
The multinational global corporate state has no goals beyond maintaining and cementing their current power and no principles beyond what is expedient to accomplish those twin goals.
The whole lineage outlined above -- Rio Summit, Kyoto Protocols, Earth Day Horseshit -- these are all symbolic gestures intended to placate activists and simulate action, but there is nothing there. If we're going to view even throwaway concessions as malign & sophisticated conspiracies, we might as well by typing essays about the contours and content of our own shadows.
I am open to the possibility we're already there, myself emphatically included.
Here's an Easter Sunday toast to Leo Wanta, though: may he yet save us all.
slimmouse » Sun Apr 20, 2014 5:22 am wrote:Iamwhomiam » 20 Apr 2014 07:28 wrote:"Sustainable development". Sustainable for who? Who decided all of this?Should I bother to read more?
Speaks volumes and explains more about so much more.
Thanks for the considered reply. No answers, but considered I suppose.
Id just like to know how moving people of vast swathes of land into "urban settlement areas" is going to result in better living standards for all?
Its liike outlawing growing vegetables, leaving food in the hands of monsanto and co. Or non dredging of rivers by EU directives during the somerset downs floods. Thats not my own personal idea of better living standards for all.
Its horseshit, and its producing a slave population, working for the corporations, who , incidentally will just go ahead and do as they please regardless.
You see slim, you can either be a slave who complains anonymously incessantly and live a miserable existence damning your condition or you can be a rebellious slave actively working for everyone's freedom. For me the choice was and is obvious.
Some seem destined to be 'service to self' folk while others are destined to be folk dedicated to 'service to others'. Others just get by complaining their miserable life away about everything under the sun being beyond their control without ever doing anything more to improve their situation. They then have audacity to claim rebellious slaves who actually effect positive change for the betterment of all slaves, are working with the state, colluding with the slave masters to worsen the conditions of their enslavement.
And then they tell me I don't get it.
Stop waiting for someone to empower you and empower yourself to take control of your own destiny. Doing so just might improve your life and in doing so, improve the lives of others close to you.
Does require reading, though.
The Lesson of the Bundy/BLM Standoff: The Government Allowed the Armed Right-Wing Assholes to Live
What the Rude Pundit understands about the just-concluded stand-off between the Bureau of Land Management and rancher Cliven Bundy and his merry band of other ranchers, children, and militia members, most of them armed, can be summed up in two pictures:
That's the assorted fucknuts, paranoiacs, and numbskulls gathered to defend Bundy's cows and their right to graze on protected federal land. (Some of the cows had been taken by the feds and held in pens.) They're also defending Bundy's desire not to pay the $1 million in fines he's been assessed for his 20 years of flouting the law. Bundy's just a crazed hick asshole, but he's a crazed hick asshole who hasn't given a shit about the law, spending more time losing in court than maybe campaigning for politicians who might change the laws (which is the way things are supposed to work). The land was protected to prevent the extinction of some species and to keep the habitat stable for wild horses. Fuck that, though. Bundy's cows liked free grass.
Of course, who gives a shit when a district court in Nevada ruled against Bundy and for the government, saying, "The public interest is best served by having the federal lands managed without the presence of trespassing cattle on lands that are closed to grazing. The public interest is also best served by removal of trespassing cattle that cause harm to natural and cultural resources or pose a threat to the health and safety of members of the public who use the federal lands for recreation. The court finds that the public interest is negatively affected by Bundy's continuing trespass."
Of course, the fucknuts, paranoiacs, and numbskulls all thought that this was an unconstitutional land grab or tyranny or the beginning of rancher death camps or whatever stupid shit Alex Jones and/or the voices in their damaged brains are telling them. Whatever it is, it requires a Second Amendment solution to keep their property rights that are given to them by God through the Constitution, which is exactly like Moses's tablets and not written by humans at all. Christ, the Rude Pundit is exhausted by simpleminded cocksuckers who wield the Constitution as if they actually understand anything other than a couple of the items they think are about them, like an asshole at a party who says he can play guitar but just strums the one or two chords he kind of knows.
The stand-off came to an end when the fucknuts et al blocked an interstate highway and got set up for the big armed battle (with the charming strategy of letting unarmed women get shot first because they thought that would gain them sympathy). The feds decided, "Oh, fuck it. Nobody needs to die over this literal bullshit. Release the cows." Bundy's son, who had been tasered by federal officers for kicking one of their dogs, declared victory and said, "The people have the power when they unite. The war has just begun." As some on the right have declared, you can view this as an act of civil disobedience over what gets to eat the grass, which is kind of sad, really. Still, you can imagine there was much hooting and hollering in celebration.
Which leads to photo number two:
That's what's left behind after the military drone missile bombs the living fuck out of some place in a desolate landscape, much like Nevada. "The war," if it ever came to that, would be over in a millisecond. But, no, please, lock and load, nutzoids.
The message to Bundy and his followers is simple: you are being indulged, like a child who threw himself on the floor of the Walmart, screaming because he just had to have that WWE action figure. And, frankly, when you start blockading roads and fucking up the land and pretending like you are anything more than a greedy motherfucker who doesn't want to pay his debts, it's hard to find sympathy.
The prime directive for the PTMB then is to support this split model as being normative, so they may have the loot and the control while all the self-righteous peons duke it out, instead of identifying a more appropriate target for their ire.
seemslikeadream » Mon Apr 21, 2014 1:41 pm wrote:The Lesson of the Bundy/BLM Standoff: The Government Allowed the Armed Right-Wing Assholes to Live
What the Rude Pundit understands about the just-concluded stand-off between the Bureau of Land Management and rancher Cliven Bundy and his merry band of other ranchers, children, and militia members, most of them armed, can be summed up in two pictures:
That's the assorted fucknuts, paranoiacs, and numbskulls gathered to defend Bundy's cows and their right to graze on protected federal land. (Some of the cows had been taken by the feds and held in pens.) They're also defending Bundy's desire not to pay the $1 million in fines he's been assessed for his 20 years of flouting the law. Bundy's just a crazed hick asshole, but he's a crazed hick asshole who hasn't given a shit about the law, spending more time losing in court than maybe campaigning for politicians who might change the laws (which is the way things are supposed to work). The land was protected to prevent the extinction of some species and to keep the habitat stable for wild horses. Fuck that, though. Bundy's cows liked free grass.
Of course, who gives a shit when a district court in Nevada ruled against Bundy and for the government, saying, "The public interest is best served by having the federal lands managed without the presence of trespassing cattle on lands that are closed to grazing. The public interest is also best served by removal of trespassing cattle that cause harm to natural and cultural resources or pose a threat to the health and safety of members of the public who use the federal lands for recreation. The court finds that the public interest is negatively affected by Bundy's continuing trespass."
Of course, the fucknuts, paranoiacs, and numbskulls all thought that this was an unconstitutional land grab or tyranny or the beginning of rancher death camps or whatever stupid shit Alex Jones and/or the voices in their damaged brains are telling them. Whatever it is, it requires a Second Amendment solution to keep their property rights that are given to them by God through the Constitution, which is exactly like Moses's tablets and not written by humans at all. Christ, the Rude Pundit is exhausted by simpleminded cocksuckers who wield the Constitution as if they actually understand anything other than a couple of the items they think are about them, like an asshole at a party who says he can play guitar but just strums the one or two chords he kind of knows.
The stand-off came to an end when the fucknuts et al blocked an interstate highway and got set up for the big armed battle (with the charming strategy of letting unarmed women get shot first because they thought that would gain them sympathy). The feds decided, "Oh, fuck it. Nobody needs to die over this literal bullshit. Release the cows." Bundy's son, who had been tasered by federal officers for kicking one of their dogs, declared victory and said, "The people have the power when they unite. The war has just begun." As some on the right have declared, you can view this as an act of civil disobedience over what gets to eat the grass, which is kind of sad, really. Still, you can imagine there was much hooting and hollering in celebration.
Which leads to photo number two:
That's what's left behind after the military drone missile bombs the living fuck out of some place in a desolate landscape, much like Nevada. "The war," if it ever came to that, would be over in a millisecond. But, no, please, lock and load, nutzoids.
The message to Bundy and his followers is simple: you are being indulged, like a child who threw himself on the floor of the Walmart, screaming because he just had to have that WWE action figure. And, frankly, when you start blockading roads and fucking up the land and pretending like you are anything more than a greedy motherfucker who doesn't want to pay his debts, it's hard to find sympathy.
justdrew » 22 Apr 2014 00:34 wrote:can someone give a quick low-down on this alleged "chinese" involvement?
"I've lived my lifetime here. My forefathers have been up and down the Virgin Valley here ever since 1877. All these rights that I claim, have been created through pre-emptive rights and beneficial use of the forage and the water and the access and range improvements," Bundy said.
Clark County property records show Cliven Bundy's parents moved from Bundyville, Arizona and bought the 160 acre ranch in 1948 from Raoul and Ruth Leavitt.
Water rights were transferred too, but only to the ranch, not the federally managed land surrounding it. Court records show Bundy family cattle didn't start grazing on that land until 1954.
"They are literally treating western United States citizens, ranchers, rural folks like this- are the modern day Indians. We're being driven off of our lands. We're being forced into reservations known as cities," Justin Giles, an Oathkeeper from Alaska, said.
Burning Man organizer plans anything-goes ‘Bundyfest’ to mock scofflaw rancher
By Travis Gettys | Tuesday, April 22, 2014 8:29 EDT
Some of the organizers of the annual Burning Man festival are planning an event aimed at mocking the claims of a Nevada rancher who refuses to pay government-mandated fees for using federal lands.
“For years, we paid permitting fees to hold Burning Man on the beautiful Playa in Northern Nevada,” said the event’s organizers on a Facebook page. “But now, Cliven Bundy has shown us a NEW WAY! ABSOLUTE FREEDOM! Bundy has declared the entire area surrounding Bundy Ranch as a TOTALLY RULES-FREE ZONE! ANYTHING GOES! WOO-HOO!!!”
Progressive activist Sean Shealy said Bundyfest, which will be held across the road from Bundy’s ranch in Bunkerville, Nevada, for one month starting on Sept. 5.
That’s just after the conclusion of the Burning Man festival, and Shealy hopes attendees will travel south to see 240 bands perform 24 hours a day near the rancher’s home.
“Some people have asked me, where will we camp, where will we park?” Shealy said. “Anywhere, really. It’s f*cking anarchy.”
The Facebook page for the event promises no permits will be required, full nudity will be permitted, and the atmosphere will be gay-friendly.
However, Shealy warned, no bathroom facilities would be provided.
“You’re free to let it all hang out right there, just like Bundy’s cattle, right there in the Virgin River, if you want to,” Shealy said.
Organizers also plan a “penis erection contest,” where participants will be awarded prizes for the largest phallic structure built in the desert.
Shealy said organizers expect about 50,000 people to show up in the desert near Bundy’s home.
justdrew » Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:39 pm wrote:Burning Man organizer plans anything-goes ‘Bundyfest’ to mock scofflaw rancher
By Travis Gettys | Tuesday, April 22, 2014 8:29 EDT
Some of the organizers of the annual Burning Man festival are planning an event aimed at mocking the claims of a Nevada rancher who refuses to pay government-mandated fees for using federal lands.
“For years, we paid permitting fees to hold Burning Man on the beautiful Playa in Northern Nevada,” said the event’s organizers on a Facebook page. “But now, Cliven Bundy has shown us a NEW WAY! ABSOLUTE FREEDOM! Bundy has declared the entire area surrounding Bundy Ranch as a TOTALLY RULES-FREE ZONE! ANYTHING GOES! WOO-HOO!!!”
Progressive activist Sean Shealy said Bundyfest, which will be held across the road from Bundy’s ranch in Bunkerville, Nevada, for one month starting on Sept. 5.
That’s just after the conclusion of the Burning Man festival, and Shealy hopes attendees will travel south to see 240 bands perform 24 hours a day near the rancher’s home.
“Some people have asked me, where will we camp, where will we park?” Shealy said. “Anywhere, really. It’s f*cking anarchy.”
The Facebook page for the event promises no permits will be required, full nudity will be permitted, and the atmosphere will be gay-friendly.
However, Shealy warned, no bathroom facilities would be provided.
“You’re free to let it all hang out right there, just like Bundy’s cattle, right there in the Virgin River, if you want to,” Shealy said.
Organizers also plan a “penis erection contest,” where participants will be awarded prizes for the largest phallic structure built in the desert.
Shealy said organizers expect about 50,000 people to show up in the desert near Bundy’s home.
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