Shot down with Malaysian MH-17

[Iamwhomiam]

It's rather amazing that 60 Min AU allowed that nonsense to air.

If I can clearly see how very different the settings of the two photos are, that of the billboard in the "escape" screen grab from that of the billboard in the one alleging the reporter located the site of the missile's launching, how in hell did the show's editor not?





Note in the latter photo the billboard appears to be supported by a single, centered pole. In the former, it clearly shows the billboard is supported by its corners. ( I do not think it's another telephone or light pole). Plus, there is no billboard showing on the right side of the former image.

Rather unbelievable this aired.

[Joe Hillshoist]

It's rather amazing that 60 Min AU allowed that nonsense to air.

...

Rather unbelievable this aired.

I don't think rather unbelievable or amazing are the right words.

Perhaps typical and "what a humungous fucking surprise ... (or not.)".

60 minutes in Australia is garbage - not a factual show at all.

[Iamwhomiam]

Thanks, Joe. I don't subject myself to watching television, haven't in years. Something to do about willingly submitting myself to indoctrination. Every now & then I'll catch a snippet of tv news at my daughter's and it seems more about entertaining an audience than it does informing them of important news.

(Actually, I'm afraid I might get hooked on some 'lives of hip hop stars' reality show)

Not really.

[seemslikeadream]

MH17 - March 29- German BND Raid Home of Investigator Who Offered $47 Million Reward
http://www.capital.de/themen/razzia-...ermittler.html

From Google translate: RAZZIA AT MH17-INVESTIGATORS
March 29, 2016, Jens Brambusch

In the case of MH-17 again comes movement. The attorney general has now raided the house of private investigator Josef Resch search for evidence. It's about the suspected war crimes

Debris of the MH 17 on a field in eastern Ukraine © Getty Images
Debris of the MH 17 on a field in eastern Ukraine

Private investigator Josef Resch is these days a very popular And no longer is he living an incognito existence. For years, the 66-year-old, barely was known in public if at all, only with sunglasses and hat. Now he has hone from interview to interview, with newspapers and magazines for long interviews and chats in TV shows about his life. The man who for decades led a life in the shadows, is now pushing at the end of his career, into the public spotlight.

The reason is banal. Resch has just brought a book out onto the market. He calls himself "Germany's most experienced private investigators" and promises to reveal much. About the drug lord Pablo Escobar, the former hedge fund manager Florian Homm and MH-17 The Malaysia Airlines jet, which was shot on July 17, 2014 Ukraine. 298 people died in that disaster.

DETERMINED TO REVEAL EVIDENCE OF THE TRUTH

That does not seem to sit well with some people. As the Attorney General. On March 15, searched with eleven heavily armed BND officers at the homes and businesses of Resch in Lübeck. After the decision of the investigating judge of the Federal Court, which Capital has seen, it shows that against "Unknown" is determined on suspicion of war crimes. It is about the "shooting down of the Boeing 777 of Malaysia Airlines known as flight MH 17". Resch had represented to the public in this case for an anonymous client a million-dollar reward for clues. Now, the authorities seem to be interested in that information.

The aim of the raid, so it is stated in the search warrant, was the "freezing of written documents and notes related to the crash" of notebooks and address books with "entries to possible contact person who can provide further information about the shooting, preferably those from Ukraine or from the Russian Federation "and disks and computers.

And further: It is assumed that "blank documents, documents, addresses or for files that contain more evidence on the crime and possible information regarding the launch (...)," in the private rooms of Resch the truth is seems to have considerable significance ".

Private investigator Josef Resch © Jens Bold
Private investigator Josef Resch

Resch had initially revealed the award in September 2014 EUR 30 million reward on behalf of his clients for evidence to shoot down the MH-17th. He later increased the total by a further 17 million euros for clues as to who can prove the fact. Because of the continuous reading, which was also disseminated by the German Federal Intelligence Service, pro-Russian separatists had been said to have shot down the passenger plane with a Russian BUK, however, Resch disbelieved the authorities.

In June last year Resch told Capital that his client would receive the information they were hoping for. The reward was paid, his contract was terminated. "If the truth comes to the public, the conflict in eastern Ukraine would escalate very quickly," Resch said at the time, without naming the information in more detail.

DARING THE FEDERAL ATTORNEY GENERAL THE BND NOT?

But then all went quiet. As in October, the Dutch Security vorlegten its final report, the case appeared to be finally resolved. It was quiet around MH-17th For the international investigators established that a Buk missile had destroyed the aircraft. Who could, however, be responsible for the shooting, the Security Council left open.

Resch, who was at the time of the raid in Bavaria, wonders: "If the attorney general believes he will find evidence for the shooting down of MH17 with me, then he dares not appear to the findings of the BND. Or he fears the informant comes from the environment of the BND. And should be revealed in the raid. "

In addition, Resch is surprised about the actions of officials. "You had to scare the whole neighborhood with this line-up? Could you not simply ring the doorbell with three people? I would have let them in naturally. I have nothing to hide. Also, I have of course no explosive materials in the house that can endanger our informants. "

From Google translate: Raided MH-17 investigators: attorney general under investigation for

http://www.finanzen.net/nachricht/ak...rechen-4802544

Berlin (ots) - House search to obtain evidence of launch
Berlin, March 29, 2016 - During the investigations on the shooting down of passenger aircraft MH-17 over eastern Ukraine two years ago, the attorney general has searched the residential and business premises of Lübeck private investigator Josef Resch. With the launch of the missile on July 17, 2014 298 people were killed. As the business magazine 'Capital' www.capital.de reported on its web site, on 15 March eleven officials conducted a raid. From the search warrant, that 'Capital' has present, it appears that it was issued for as "Unknown" on suspicion of war crimes. Resch had offered in the case of the MH-17 for anonymous client a million-dollar reward for clues.

The aim of the raid, so it is stated in the search warrant, was the "freezing of written documents and notes related to the crash MH17" and "entries related to possible contact persons who can provide further information about the shooting down of MH17, preferably those from Ukraine, or from the Russian Federation". It is assumed that "records, documents, addresses or files can be found which contain more evidence on the crime and about possible Tatbeteiligte at the launch (...), which are for the truth of considerable importance".

Resch, who was not present at the house search had, told 'Capital' in June last year, that his client would get the information they wanted to receive. The reward was paid, his contract was terminated. For content to Resch declined to comment, but said ominously: " If the truth would come to the public, the conflict in eastern Ukraine would escalate very quickly."

About the current action of the federal prosecutor wonders Resch had the BND but explained a few months after the tragedy, separatists have to be responsible for the shooting. "If the attorney general believes he will find evidence for the shooting on me, then why doesn't he appear to the findings of the BND who found not, or he fears information coming from the environment of the BND."

[Pele'sDaughter]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 78681.html

Suspect arrested over attempted assassination of chief forensic expert in MH17 probe

Police have arrested a man on suspicion of trying to assassinate the chief expert witness in the investigation into the downing of the Malaysia Airlines jet MH17.

Ukraine’s most senior forensic scientist, Oleksandr Ruvin, was shot in the leg late last year in an attack that the authorities suspect was linked to his role in the crash probe.

In a short statement, the Ukrainian prosecutor’s office said the country’s chief military prosecutor, Anatoliy Matios, would hold a briefing later on Monday “regarding the arrest of the killer who attempted to murder the chief expert on the case of the downed Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777”.

A report into the downing of MH17 published in October 2015 confirmed the plane was shot down by a Russina-built Buk surface-to-air missile launched from eastern Ukraine.

The incident, in which 298 passengers and crew on board a routine flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur were killed, and sparked a rapid review into the policy of allowing air traffic routes to pass over what is still a conflict zone.

While the Dutch Safety Board’s report addressed ways in which the tragedy could have been avoided, it said it was for a criminal investigation to determine who was responsible for firing the missile which downed the plane.

That probe continues, with recent Dutch media reports suggesting evidence about the type of missile and where it was fired from will be presented “before the second half of the year”.

[seemslikeadream]

MH-17 Coverup Continues! After Record $47 Million Bounty Paid! Western Intelligence Conduct Raids



Published on Jun 10, 2016
As Dutch officials released a photo of a piece of the missile that allegedly shot down MH-17 passenger plane over Ukraine in July 2014, Multiple raids have been carried out by German and Swiss officials related to the investigation.

A raid in Germany was conducted on the home of private German detective Josef Resch, whom was hired by a unknown client to conduct a private investigation of the crash.

In the german raid officials reportedly seized “explosive documents” which could shed new light on the downing of the plane. In The Swiss raid, Resch’s safe deposit box seized, though Swiss courts have yet to determine if the contents have anything to do with the investigation.

The investigation has been criticized for depending mostly on the Ukrainian government for evidence, blaming Russia.

In this report I am joined with Christoph Germann to discuss the recent developments of the MH-17 case, continued coverup and motives for those involved.

Christoph Germann is an independent analyst and researcher based in Germany where he is currently studying political science. His work focuses on the New Great Game in, Russia, Central Asia and the Caucasus region.

Visit Christoph’s website here
http://christophgermann.blogspot.com/

[Iamwhomiam]

Well, that's one way to get around a non-disclosure agreement, and one that conveniently points the finger away from Resch as discloser.

[chump]

https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/sh ... post112443
MH-17: It wasn't an SU25 --- It was a Mig

Well well, here an interesting report that alters the prior story:

https://youtu.be/2nI_6dvw17U

[Harvey]

Russian radar data shows no missile attack on MH17 from rebel side, indicates Ukraine involvement

RT 26 Sep, 2016 12:38

Newly discovered raw data picked up by a civilian radar station on the day of the Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 crash shows no signs of a missile being fired at the plane from territory controlled by rebels, the Russian military and radar producer said.

The existence of raw data was announced last week by Almaz-Antey, the producer of the Buk missile system. The system is believed by an international investigation to have caused the 2014 crash over Ukraine.

One of Almaz-Antey’s subsidiaries is the producer of the Utyos-T civilian radar station. One such station is deployed near Ust-Donetsky village in western Russia. According to Almaz-Antey, memory chips from that station were replaced in July 2014, shortly after the tragic incident, and were discovered recently. Until now no raw radar data of the situation around MH17 at the time it was destroyed was thought to exist.

The Lianozovsky Electromechanical Plant, the producer of Utyos-T, presented the raw data on Monday at a media briefing in Moscow. The data showed three civilian aircraft in the vicinity, including the MH17. The one closest to it was flying about 30km from the Malaysian Boeing at the time it was shot down.

“The Ust-Donetsky radar picked up no foreign objects near the Malaysian plane which could have caused its destruction,” said Viktor Meshcheryakov, the company's chief radar designer.

This contradicts the scenario maintained by Kiev, under which a Buk missile could have been fired from the rebel-controlled village of Snezhnoye. The missile could have not been picked up by the radar if it had approached from a direction along the line connecting the radar station and the airliner, Meshcheryakov noted.

Gen. Andrey Koban, the head of the Russian Air Forces' radar troops, said the Russian civilian radar easily located an Orlan-10 surveillance drone circling closer to the Russian-Ukrainian border over Russian territory at the time of the incident. A Buk missile would have been easier to detect than the drone, he said.

The Russian military said Ukraine's refusal to publish its radar data, the positions of air defense batteries it had deployed in the area, and communications between MH17 and the Ukrainian traffic controller directing its flight towards the rebel-held areas in eastern Ukraine, made it look suspicious.

“The Ukrainian side has air situation data in the area of the Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 crash from both civilian and military sources. The fact that Ukraine has not published radar data leads us to the conjecture that the missile, if it was a Buk, was launched from territory under the control of the Ukrainian military,” the general said.

It resembles the way Ukraine acted in 2001 after shooting down a Russian plane flying from Israel over the Black Sea, a spokesman for the Russian Defense Ministry said during the briefing.

The shooting down of Siberia Airlines Flight 1812 in October 2001 claimed 78 lives, but “despite irrefutable facts that put the blame for the Tu-154 crash on the Ukrainian military, [Kiev] refused to take any responsibility,” Gen. Igor Konashenkov said.

The Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 tragedy claimed 298 lives and escalated the already-tense crisis in Ukraine, where a coup-imposed government launched a crackdown on rebel forces.

Kiev and its sponsors have accused Russia of supporting the rebels with arms, including the Buk missile which shot down the Boeing. Russia has denied the allegations and says that the evidence which the US claimed to have – such as the satellite images reportedly showing the launch of the missile – was never made public for scrutiny.

The Joint Investigation Team, which is meant to provide court-admissible evidence relating to the MH17 case, is to present the first results of its probe on September 28. Ukraine is part of the team, although Russia is not. Earlier a technical report into the crash confirmed that it was hit by an anti-aircraft missile.

https://www.rt.com/news....ukraine-radar-data/

[Harvey]

If only to illustrate how contradictory the various claims and counter claims are.

[American Dream]

MH17 shot down by rebels with missile from Russia, say investigators

Rebels were responsible for shooting down Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 over Ukraine and killing all 298 people on board, international prosecutors have found.

A report by the Dutch-led Joint Investigation Team (JIT) said there was "no doubt" the missile that downed the plane was brought in from Russia and fired from rebel-controlled territory, during the conflict in eastern Ukraine.

Wilbert Paulissen, head of the Dutch Central Crime Investigation Department, played a press conference intercepted phone conversations between rebel fighters discussing the arrival of a Buk missile system.

“It may be concluded MH17 was shot down by a 9M38 missile launched by a Buk, brought in from the territory of the Russian Federation, and that after launch was subsequently returned to the Russian Federation,” he added.

“The conclusion is that MH17 was shot down by a Buk missile launched from a site around 6km south of the village of Snizhne.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 34246.html

[Rory]

Russian radar data shows no missile attack on MH17 from rebel side, indicates Ukraine involvement

Ukraine's refusal to publish its radar data, the positions of air defense batteries it had deployed in the area, and communications between MH17 and the Ukrainian traffic controller directing its flight towards the rebel-held areas in eastern Ukraine, made it look suspicious.

“The Ukrainian side has air situation data in the area of the Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 crash from both civilian and military sources. The fact that Ukraine has not published radar data leads us to the conjecture that the missile, if it was a Buk, was launched from territory under the control of the Ukrainian military,”

This nails it for me - Ukrainian junta officials loathe and fear the Russians (more for the consequences of what will happen for their actions than any genuine enmity). They have the hard facts of what happened and the fact that they won't release it is incontrovertible proof that "Russia did it", meme, is a clear false flag.

[Rory]

https://consortiumnews.com/2016/09/29/t ... -scenario/

According to the JIT’s video narrative, the presumed purpose of the Russians taking such a huge risk of supplying a Buk system was to protect rebel troops from Ukrainian military aircraft firing from heights beyond the range of shoulder-fired MANPADs.

So why would the Russians position the Buk battery in the south far from the frontlines of the heaviest fighting which was occurring in the north and then have the crew shoot down a commercial airliner when, according to the JIT, there were no military aircraft in the area?

To accept the JIT’s narrative, you have to swallow a large dose of credulity, plus assume that the Russians are extremely incompetent, so incompetent that they would send a highly secret operation on a wild ride across the eastern Ukrainian countryside, ignoring easy routes to the target location (only about 70 miles from the Russian border) in favor of a route more than twice as long (about 150 miles) while passing through heavily populated areas where the convoy could be easily photographed.

Then, the Russians (or their rebel allies) would have placed the Buk system in a spot with marginal if any military value, misidentify a commercial airliner as some kind of military aircraft, and – with a sudden burst of efficiency and competence – shoot it down.

[tron]

https://news.vice.com/article/russian-m ... light-mh17

what gains would either side have from this? what if it was an untrained crew who had taken the thing over and fired one off to see what it would do y' know like bill hicks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o_8b31GRnU

In an argument that makes the case to have Western sanctions against it lifted, the Russian producer of the BUK surface-to-air missile has said Malaysia Airlines flight 17, which crashed in Ukraine in July, was brought down by a BUK that likely belonged to the Ukrainian military.

Western investigations have previously presented photographic and other evidence that a BUK missile from Russia had likely been used in the July 17 attack, which killed all 298 people on board and crashed the plane headed from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur in Donetsk Oblast. That was the bloodiest day in the conflict between government forces and Russia-backed rebels that has so far claimed more than 6,100 lives since April 2014.

The Almaz-Antey defense concern, a Russian joint undertaking in the arms industry, told journalists in Moscow on Tuesday that the shrapnel patterns seen on debris from the Boeing 777 were consistent with a strike from an older BUK M1 system firing 9M38M1 missiles. The Almaz-Antey team said it can't say for sure which side owned the BUK used, but left little doubt where its suspicions lay.

"The missile was not produced after 1999, so neither the [Almaz-Antey] concern nor its enterprises could have delivered this missile to anyone," director Yan Novikov said. "At the same time, we have undeniable evidence that the Ukrainian military has this type of missile. In 2005, the concern performed pre-contract analysis on extending the use of these rockets in Ukraine. At that time, there were 991 units."

Russia and Ukraine, whose defense and space industries are closely integrated, have many of the same weapons and military equipment in their arsenals, including BUK missiles.

[Nordic]

Anybody seen this?

It's very gruesome.

Lots of dead and fucked-corpses. Do not watch if this kind of thing affects you.

https://youtu.be/TB2-Ra1SPqE

The jist of this seems to be that the eyewitnesses believe the people were already dead, and mostly Asian, and that it's most likely that the people were from the missing Malaysian Flight, the one that magically disappeared.