R.I. Book Group?

Moderators: Elvis, DrVolin, Jeff

Re:

Postby Elvis » Wed Aug 13, 2014 4:23 am

Perelandra » Tue Aug 12, 2014 7:42 pm wrote:Whether or not it could be a choice, I have a book reco for anyone interested in the intersections of myth, anthropology, art, sciences, etc. It's been one of my obscure favorites for many years. A long time ago I stated that every page was packed with meaning, and it remains so, for me. Few reviews, but they give an idea, fwiw.

http://www.amazon.com/Origins-Sacred-Ecstasies-Love-War/dp/0060975113/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1407867100&sr=1-1&keywords=dudley+young


Wow, that sounds very close to the themes of the latest Theodore Roszak book I'm reading, Where the Wasteland Ends (1974). Roszak rocks. In fact, I might as well recommend Roszak's The Making of a Counterculture (1969), perhaps for a later book group selection (the nominees so far are excellent, too). As I've mentioned previously, it's not, as the title might suggest, a chronology of the '60s counterculture (a term coined by Roszak), but the keenest criticism of the prevailing culture I've read, as relevent today as in 1969. For me, it has really brought into focus and addressed the questions I've had over the years about our dominant culture. Having read Roszak has primed me for the Peter Kingsley selection. I'd gladly reread & discuss Making of... with y'all. It's available online in a tidy PDF (http://musicandhistory.wikispaces.com/f ... ulture.pdf), and old copies are inexpensive on Amazon.
Last edited by Elvis on Wed Aug 13, 2014 12:39 pm, edited 1 time in total.
“The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.” ― Joan Robinson
User avatar
Elvis
 
Posts: 7434
Joined: Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:24 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: R.I. Book Group?

Postby brekin » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:44 am

Two more entries to consider:

5. Origins of the Sacred: The Ecstasies of Love and War
Image
From Publishers Weekly
In Young's reckoning, the primitive mind recognized that the energies leading to love and war overlap. But with the advent of the scientific worldview, he contends, we have lost touch with the wellsprings of myth: patriarchy marginalized erotic love, while the rites that monitored and refined hunting and aggression have atrophied. Professor of literature at the University of Essex in England, Young treads speculative waters in discussing the bloodlust of chimpanzees, early human love on the African savannah, the birth of language out of "a grammar of the sacred" and paleolithic peoples' psychic defenses against slipping back into cannibalism and religious frenzy. A grand synthesis in the tradition of Robert Lowell and Joseph Campbell, weighed down by demanding prose, this bold, stimulating inquiry seeks to restore to the modern world "the feminine touch . . . our chief stay against violence." Young leaps from the art of Minoan Crete to Genesis and Gilgamesh to T. S. Eliot, deconstructing "the scientific myth" in search of mythic roots.

http://www.amazon.com/Origins-Sacred-Ec ... dley+young

6.The Making Of A Counter Culture: Reflections of the Technocratic Society and Its Youthful Opposition Mass Market Paperback
by Theodore Roszak


Image
When it was published twenty-five years ago, this book captured a huge audience of Vietnam War protesters, dropouts, and rebels—and their baffled elders. Theodore Roszak found common ground between 1960s student radicals and hippie dropouts in their mutual rejection of what he calls the technocracy—the regime of corporate and technological expertise that dominates industrial society. He traces the intellectual underpinnings of the two groups in the writings of Herbert Marcuse and Norman O. Brown, Allen Ginsberg and Paul Goodman. In a new introduction, Roszak reflects on the evolution of counter culture since he coined the term in the sixties.

Alan Watts wrote of The Making of a Counter Culture in the San Francisco Chronicle in 1969, "If you want to know what is happening among your intelligent and mysteriously rebellious children, this is the book. The generation gap, the student uproar, the New Left, the beats and hippies, the psychedelic movement, rock music, the revival of occultism and mysticism, the protest against our involvement in Vietnam, and the seemingly odd reluctance of the young to buy the affluent technological society—all these matters are here discussed, with sympathy and constructive criticism, by a most articulate, wise, and humane historian."
http://www.amazon.com/Making-Counter-Cu ... terculture

Our selections so far. Voting starts later tonight or tomorrow morning. Still time for more suggestions!

1. The Exegesis of Philip K. Dick
2. In the Dark Places of Wisdom
3. The Lucifer Principle: A Scientific Expedition into the Forces of History
4. Morphic Resonance: The Nature of Formative Causation
5. Origins of the Sacred: The Ecstasies of Love and War
6. The Making of a Counterculture
If I knew all mysteries and all knowledge, and have not charity, I am nothing. St. Paul
I hang onto my prejudices, they are the testicles of my mind. Eric Hoffer
User avatar
brekin
 
Posts: 3229
Joined: Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:21 pm
Blog: View Blog (1)

Re: R.I. Book Group?

Postby brekin » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:21 pm

The polls are open. Let's vote for which book you would like to read book group fashion from the following. Second choice may be helpful to say as well.
Polls will close tomorrow, Thursday evening.

1. The Exegesis of Philip K. Dick
2. In the Dark Places of Wisdom
3. The Lucifer Principle: A Scientific Expedition into the Forces of History
4. Morphic Resonance: The Nature of Formative Causation
5. Origins of the Sacred: The Ecstasies of Love and War
6. The Making of a Counterculture
If I knew all mysteries and all knowledge, and have not charity, I am nothing. St. Paul
I hang onto my prejudices, they are the testicles of my mind. Eric Hoffer
User avatar
brekin
 
Posts: 3229
Joined: Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:21 pm
Blog: View Blog (1)

Re: R.I. Book Group?

Postby widefidelity » Thu Aug 14, 2014 1:13 am

For myself...

First choice - 3. The Lucifer Principle: A Scientific Expedition into the Forces of History
Second choice - 6. The Making of a Counterculture
widefidelity
 
Posts: 6
Joined: Wed Dec 01, 2010 6:57 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: R.I. Book Group?

Postby 82_28 » Thu Aug 14, 2014 1:16 am

widefidelity » Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:13 pm wrote:For myself...

First choice - 3. The Lucifer Principle: A Scientific Expedition into the Forces of History
Second choice - 6. The Making of a Counterculture


The Lucifer Principle is a very good book. I read that over 20 years ago and in a sense it changed my life forever. Easy to read and packed full of information.
There is no me. There is no you. There is all. There is no you. There is no me. And that is all. A profound acceptance of an enormous pageantry. A haunting certainty that the unifying principle of this universe is love. -- Propagandhi
User avatar
82_28
 
Posts: 11194
Joined: Fri Nov 30, 2007 4:34 am
Location: North of Queen Anne
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: R.I. Book Group?

Postby brekin » Thu Aug 14, 2014 11:47 am

My picks:

First choice: 2. In the Dark Places of Wisdom
Second choice: 5. Origins of the Sacred: The Ecstasies of Love and War
If I knew all mysteries and all knowledge, and have not charity, I am nothing. St. Paul
I hang onto my prejudices, they are the testicles of my mind. Eric Hoffer
User avatar
brekin
 
Posts: 3229
Joined: Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:21 pm
Blog: View Blog (1)

Re: R.I. Book Group?

Postby Elvis » Thu Aug 14, 2014 12:36 pm

I want to read them all, but for now --

my first choice: 2. In the Dark Places of Wisdom

second choice: 5. Origins of the Sacred: The Ecstasies of Love and War


Thanks Brekin :basicsmile
“The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.” ― Joan Robinson
User avatar
Elvis
 
Posts: 7434
Joined: Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:24 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: R.I. Book Group?

Postby Twyla LaSarc » Thu Aug 14, 2014 12:42 pm

I'm always in need of books to read. Thanks for posting these!
“The Radium Water Worked Fine until His Jaw Came Off”
User avatar
Twyla LaSarc
 
Posts: 1040
Joined: Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:50 pm
Location: On the 8th hole
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: R.I. Book Group?

Postby Hammer of Los » Thu Aug 14, 2014 12:44 pm

...
In the Dark Places of Wisdom looks good.
...
Hammer of Los
 
Posts: 3309
Joined: Sat Dec 23, 2006 4:48 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Postby Perelandra » Thu Aug 14, 2014 1:05 pm

+1

2. The Making of a Counterculture - because Elvis speaks highly of it.

3. Morphic Resonance - because I'd like to understand it better.
“The past is never dead. It's not even past.” - William Faulkner
User avatar
Perelandra
 
Posts: 1648
Joined: Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:12 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: R.I. Book Group?

Postby BrandonD » Thu Aug 14, 2014 4:36 pm

Vote for "Dark Places of Wisdom"

Second choice "Morphic Resonance"

(I've already started on the Exegesis so I'll have a head start when we get around to that one!)
"One measures a circle, beginning anywhere." -Charles Fort
User avatar
BrandonD
 
Posts: 768
Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2011 2:05 am
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: R.I. Book Group?

Postby coffin_dodger » Thu Aug 14, 2014 5:01 pm

BrandonD wrote:Vote for "Dark Places of Wisdom"

Second choice "Morphic Resonance"


Either or both, afaic. I've never been in a book club before! (assuming I can be in this one).
User avatar
coffin_dodger
 
Posts: 2216
Joined: Thu Jun 09, 2011 6:05 am
Location: UK
Blog: View Blog (14)

Re: R.I. Book Group?

Postby Saurian Tail » Thu Aug 14, 2014 8:32 pm

Hammer of Los » Thu Aug 14, 2014 12:44 pm wrote:...
In the Dark Places of Wisdom looks good.
...

Agreed. Looks very interesting.
"Taking it in its deepest sense, the shadow is the invisible saurian tail that man still drags behind him." -Carl Jung
User avatar
Saurian Tail
 
Posts: 394
Joined: Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:30 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: R.I. Book Group?

Postby brekin » Thu Aug 14, 2014 9:34 pm

coffin_dodger wrote
I've never been in a book club before! (assuming I can be in this one).


Your in. As is anyone who wants to jump in for the first book, or subsequent books.
If I knew all mysteries and all knowledge, and have not charity, I am nothing. St. Paul
I hang onto my prejudices, they are the testicles of my mind. Eric Hoffer
User avatar
brekin
 
Posts: 3229
Joined: Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:21 pm
Blog: View Blog (1)

Re: R.I. Book Group?

Postby brekin » Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:40 pm

Here's the final tally as far as I can tell.
Looks like In the Dark Places of Wisdom is the winner for this round.

First Choice
In the Dark Places of Wisdom 6.5 votes
The Lucifer Principle 3.5 votes
The Making of a Counterculture 1 vote

Second Choice
The Making of a Counterculture 1 vote
Origins of the Sacred: The Ecstasies of Love and War 2 votes
Morphic Resonance 3 votes


widefidelity
First choice - 3. The Lucifer Principle: A Scientific Expedition into the Forces of History
Second choice - 6. The Making of a Counterculture

Brekin
First choice: 2. In the Dark Places of Wisdom
Second choice: 5. Origins of the Sacred: The Ecstasies of Love and War

Elvis
my first choice: 2. In the Dark Places of Wisdom
second choice: 5. Origins of the Sacred: The Ecstasies of Love and War

Hammer of Los
In the Dark Places of Wisdom looks good.

Perelandra
2. The Making of a Counterculture - because Elvis speaks highly of it.
3. Morphic Resonance - because I'd like to understand it better.

BrandonD
Vote for "Dark Places of Wisdom"
Second choice "Morphic Resonance"

Coffin_dodger
Vote for "Dark Places of Wisdom"
Second choice "Morphic Resonance"
Either or both, afaic.

Saurian Tail
In the Dark Places of Wisdom looks good.
...
Agreed. Looks very interesting.

Jerky
Lucifer Principle

Wombaticus Rex
I'd sign up for either Bloom or Kingsley.

Project Willow
I've been meaning to read Bloom for a while now.
If I knew all mysteries and all knowledge, and have not charity, I am nothing. St. Paul
I hang onto my prejudices, they are the testicles of my mind. Eric Hoffer
User avatar
brekin
 
Posts: 3229
Joined: Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:21 pm
Blog: View Blog (1)

PreviousNext

Return to General Discussion

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 36 guests