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Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Oct 25, 2014 9:07 am

Hiding Ukraine’s Neo-Nazi Reality
September 16, 2014

Perhaps the biggest taboo of the U.S. mainstream coverage of the Ukraine crisis is to block out the role played by neo-Nazi militias in both the Feb. 22 coup and this summer’s bloody offensive in eastern Ukraine, but the ugly reality occasionally breaks through, as William Blum noted in Anti-Empire Report.
By William Blum

Ever since serious protest broke out in Ukraine in February the Western mainstream media, particularly in the United States, has seriously downplayed the fact that the usual suspects – the US/European Union/NATO triumvirate – have been on the same side as the neo-Nazis.

In the U.S. it’s been virtually unmentionable. I’m sure that a poll taken in the United States on this issue would reveal near universal ignorance of the numerous neo-Nazi actions, including publicly calling for death to “Russians, Communists and Jews.” But in the past week the dirty little secret has somehow poked its head out from behind the curtain a bit.

On Sept. 9, NBCnews.com reported that “German TV shows Nazi symbols on helmets of Ukraine soldiers.” The German station showed pictures of a soldier wearing a combat helmet with the “SS runes” of Hitler’s infamous black-uniformed elite corps. (Runes are the letters of an alphabet used by ancient Germanic peoples.) A second soldier was shown with a swastika on his helmet.On Sept. 13, the Washington Post showed a photo of the sleeping quarter of a member of the Azov Battalion, one of the Ukrainian paramilitary units fighting the pro-Russian separatists. On the wall above the bed is a large swastika. Not to worry, the Post quoted the platoon leader stating that the soldiers embrace symbols and espouse extremist notions as part of some kind of “romantic” idea.

Yet, it is Russian president Vladimir Putin who is compared to Adolf Hitler by everyone from Prince Charles to Princess Hillary because of the incorporation of Crimea as part of Russia. On this question Putin has stated:

“The Crimean authorities have relied on the well-known Kosovo precedent, a precedent our Western partners created themselves, with their own hands, so to speak. In a situation absolutely similar to the Crimean one, they deemed Kosovo’s secession from Serbia to be legitimate, arguing everywhere that no permission from the country’s central authorities was required for the unilateral declaration of independence.

“The UN’s international court, based on Paragraph 2 of Article 1 of the UN Charter, agreed with that, and in its decision of 22 July 2010 noted the following, and I quote verbatim: ‘No general prohibition may be inferred from the practice of the Security Council with regard to unilateral declarations of independence.’”

Putin as Hitler is dwarfed by the stories of Putin as invader (Vlad the Impaler?). For months the Western media has been beating the drums about Russia having (actually) invaded Ukraine. I recommend reading: “How Can You Tell Whether Russia has Invaded Ukraine?” by Dmitry Orlov

And keep in mind the NATO encirclement of Russia. Imagine Russia setting up military bases in Canada and Mexico, from the Atlantic to the Pacific. Remember what a Soviet base in Cuba led to
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Re: Global Research, Chossudovsky, Russia, Propaganda

Postby seemslikeadream » Sun Oct 26, 2014 7:31 am

Treating Putin Like a Lunatic
October 25, 2014

Exclusive: Official Washington treats whatever comes out of Russian President Putin’s mouth as the ravings of a lunatic, even when what he says is obviously true or otherwise makes sense, as the New York Times has demonstrated again, writes Robert Parry.

By Robert Parry

When reading the New York Times on many foreign policy issues, it doesn’t take a savant to figure out what the newspaper’s bias is. Anything, for instance, relating to Russian President Vladimir Putin drips of contempt and hostility.

Rather than offer the Times’ readers an objective or even slightly fair-minded account of Putin’s remarks, we are fed a steady diet of highly prejudicial language, such as we find in Saturday’s article about Putin’s comments at a conference in which he noted U.S. contributions to chaos in countries, such as Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria and Ukraine.

That Putin is correct appears almost irrelevant to the Times, which simply writes that Putin “unleashed perhaps his strongest diatribe against the United States yet” with his goal “to sell Moscow’s view that American meddling has sparked most of the world’s recent crises.”

Rather than address the merits of Putin’s critique, the Times’ article by Neil MacFarquhar uncritically cites the “group think” of Official Washington: “Russia is often accused of provoking the crisis in Ukraine by annexing Crimea, and of prolonging the agony in Syria by helping to crush a popular uprising against President Bashar al-Assad, Moscow’s last major Arab ally. Some analysts have suggested that Mr. Putin seeks to restore the lost power and influence of the Soviet Union, or even the Russian Empire, in a bid to prolong his own rule.”

Yes, “some analysts” can be cited to support nearly any claim no matter how wrongheaded, or you can use the passive tense – “is often accused” – to present any charge no matter how unfair. But a more realistic summary of the various crises afflicting the world would note that Putin is correct when he describes past U.S. backing for various extremists, from Islamic fundamentalists in the Middle East and Central Asia to neo-Nazis in Ukraine.

For example, during the 1980s, the Reagan administration consciously encouraged Islamic fundamentalism as a strategy to cause trouble for “atheistic communism” in Afghanistan and in the Muslim provinces of the Soviet Union.

To overthrow a Soviet-backed government in Afghanistan, the CIA and its Saudi collaborators financed the mujahedeen “holy warriors” who counted among their supporters Saudi extremist Osama bin Laden. Some of those Islamists later blended into the Taliban and al-Qaeda with dire consequences for the United States on Sept. 11, 2001.

By invading Iraq in 2003, President George W. Bush toppled a secular dictator, Saddam Hussein, but saw him replaced by what amounted to a Shiite theocracy which pushed Iraq’s Sunni minority into the arms of “Al-Qaeda in Iraq,” which has since rebranded itself as the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria or simply the Islamic State. Those extremists now control large swaths of Iraq and Syria and have massacred religious minorities and Western hostages, prompting another U.S. military intervention.

Obama’s Interventions

In Libya in 2011, President Barack Obama acquiesced to demands from “liberal interventionists” in his administration and authorized an air war to overthrow another secular autocrat, Muammar Gaddafi, whose ouster and murder have sent Libya spiraling into political chaos amid warring Islamist militias. It turns out Gaddafi was not wrong when he warned of Islamist terrorists operating around Benghazi.

Similarly, Official Washington’s embrace of protests and violence aimed at removing another secular Arab leader, Syria’s Bashar al-Assad, contributed to the bloody civil war that has devastated that country and created fertile ground for the Islamic State and the Nusra Front, the official al-Qaeda affiliate.

Though Obama balked at demands from neocons and “liberal interventionists” that he launch an air war against the Syrian military in 2013, he did authorize secret shipments of weapons and training for the supposedly “moderate” Syrian rebels who have generally sided with Islamist fighters affiliated with al-Qaeda and the Islamic State.

Many of these same neocons and “liberal interventionists” have been eager to ratchet up the confrontation with Iran over its nuclear program, including neocon dreams to “bomb, bomb, bomb Iran,” also a desire of hardliners in Israel.

In some of these crises, one of the few international leaders who has cooperated with Obama to tamp down tensions has been Putin, who helped negotiate conflict-avoiding agreements with Syria and Iran. But those peaceful interventions made Putin an inviting target for the neocons who began in fall 2013 arranging a coup d’etat in Ukraine on Russia’s border.

As Obama and Putin each paid too little attention to these maneuvers, neocons such as National Endowment for Democracy president Carl Gershman, Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, and Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs Victoria Nuland went to work on the Ukrainian coup.

However to actually overthrow Ukraine’s elected President Viktor Yanukovych, the coup makers had to collaborate with neo-Nazi militias which were organized in western Ukraine and dispatched to Kiev where they provided the muscle for the Maidan uprising. Neo-Nazi leaders were given several ministries in the new government, and neo-Nazi militants were incorporated into the National Guard and “volunteer” militias dispatched to crush the ethnic Russian resistance in the east.


Putin for the Status Quo

The underlying reality of the Ukraine crisis was that Putin actually supported the country’s status quo, i.e. maintaining the elected president and the constitutional process. It was the United States along with the European Union that sought to topple the existing system and pull Ukraine from Russia’s orbit into the West’s.

Whatever one thinks about the merits of that change, it is factually wrong to accuse Putin of initiating the Ukraine crisis or to extrapolate from Official Washington’s false conventional wisdom and conclude that Putin is a new Hitler, an aggressor seeking to reestablish the Soviet Union or the Russian Empire.

But the Times and other major U.S. news outlets have wedded themselves to that propaganda theme and now cannot deviate from it. So, when Putin states the obvious – that the U.S. has meddled in the affairs of other nations and that Russia did not pick the fight over Ukraine – his comments must be treated like the ravings of a lunatic unleashing some “diatribe.”

Among Putin’s ranting was his observation, according to the Times article, that “the United States supports ‘dubious’ groups ranging from ‘open neo-fascists to Islamic radicals.’

“‘Why do they support such people,’ he asked the annual gathering known as the Valdai Club, which met this year in the southern resort town of Sochi. ‘They do this because they decide to use them as instruments along the way in achieving their goals, but then burn their fingers and recoil.’

“The goal of the United States, he said, was to try to create a unipolar world in which American interests went unchallenged. …

“Mr. Putin … specifically denied trying to restore the Russian Empire. He argued Russia was compelled to intervene in Ukraine because that country was in the midst of a ‘civilized dialogue’ over its political future when the West staged a coup to oust the president last February, pushing the country into chaos and civil war.

“‘We did not start this,’ he said. ‘Statements that Russia is trying to reinstate some sort of empire, that it is encroaching on the sovereignty of its neighbors, are groundless.’”

Of course, all the “smart people” of Official Washington know how to react to such statements from Putin, with a snicker and a roll of the eyes. After all, they’ve been reading the narratives of these crises as fictionalized by the New York Times, the Washington Post, etc.

Rationality and realism seem to have lost any place in the workings of the mainstream U.S. news media.
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Re: Global Research, Chossudovsky, Russia, Propaganda

Postby American Dream » Sun Oct 26, 2014 9:24 pm

http://ww4report.com/node/13254

Europe's fascist resurgence: East and West

Submitted by Bill Weinberg on Sun, 05/25/2014

The May 24 shooting at the Jewish Museum of Belgium in Brussels, that left three dead, is greeted by the usual ridiculous bet-hedging. CNN typically writes: "The circumstances of the shooting have raised suspicions that it may have been an anti-Semitic attack, but no motive has been determined." Once an anti-Semitic motive is finally conceded, we will next be assured that it was the work of a lone nut with no organizational ties. How many commentators will tie the attack to the terrifyingly good showing that far-right "anti-Europe" paties made in the next day's EU parliamentary election? In France, Front National leader Marine Le Pen, daughter of xenophobic party founder Jean-Marie Le Pen, boasted as the exit polls rolled in: "What has happened tonight is a massive rejection of the EU." In Britain, the UK Independence Party (UKIP) is on course to win, displacing Prime Minister David Cameron's Conservatives and burying their coalition partner, the Liberal Democrats. (Globe & Mail, CBC) And think there's a wide gap between the "anti-Europe" ideologies of the Front National and UKIP and the anti-Semitic doctrines of classical fascism? Think again...

An April 25 account on Britain's SWNS news service noted that UKIP candidate for local office in East Sussex, Anna-Marie Crampton, posted some charming comments to the conspiranoid website Secrets of The Fed to the effect that Jews deliberately murdered each other in the Holocaust as part of a masterplan to create Israel. The comments, which appear to have been purged from the website, included: "Holocaust means a sacrifice by fire. Only the Zionists could sacrifice their own in the gas chambers... The Second World Wide War was engineered by the Zionist jews and financed by the banksters to make the general public all over the world to feel so guilty and outraged by the Holocaust that a treaty would be signed to create the State of Israel as we know it today."

And these was the usual bogus attempt to disavow anti-Semitism—in classically anti-Semitic terms: "The Rothschilds are Zionists... there is a difference between Jews and Zionists. These Psychopaths hide behind and use the Jews. It was thanks to them that 6 million Jews were murdered in the War (along with 26 million Russians!)... I am anti Zionist, not antisemit [sic]. I love the true Israel and the Jews."

UK Metro thankfully reports that UKIP has suspended Crampton as a candidate in the wake of the outrage, and according to International Business Times, she is now claiming to be the victim of hacking—but her supporters have launched a Facebook page in defense of her "freedom of speech."

Then there's Ukraine, where the question of anti-Semitism has emerged as a political football. Former chocolate magnate Petro Poroshenko appears as the victor in the May 25 presidential race—which took place as Ukraine's interim government is engaged in a military offensive against Russia-backed separatists in the east. The separatists severely disrupted voting in the eastern regions—no polling stations were open in Donetsk and several other districts. Poroshenko pledges to "end war and bring peace"—but also said Kiev will never recognize Russia's "occupation" of Crimea. (BBC News, Kyiv Post)

It's pretty funny that leftists, who have for years been portraying anti-Semitism as a mere propaganda creation of Zionists, are now echoing Putin's propaganda that the new Ukrainian government is a hotbed of anti-Semitic fascists. We've been arguing, first, that this is cynically overstated—but, that there is indeed a resurgent fascist element in the new Ukraine (contrary to the dogma of both sides). And, secondly, that this is a case of the pot calling the kettle black—that there is resurgent fascism on both sides in the Russo-Ukraine conflict, and Putin is in a very poor position to be making accusations of "fascism."

Yes, the recent spate of anti-Jewish attacks has been in Ukraine—although there is the predictable unclarity as to whether they were carried out by "real" Ukrainian neo-fascists or pro-Russian provocateurs. But Julia Ioffe in The New Republic offers a round-up of recent anti-Semitic outbursts in Putin's Russia. To cite but one example, last month the Jewish daily Forward noted that Russian state television's hatchet-job "documentaries" about Ukrainian politicians Yulia Tymoshenko (ex-PM and Poroshenko's rival in the election) and Arseniy Yatsenyuk stressed, in ominous terms, their alleged Jewish background. The "documentary" on Tymoshenko stated: "She completely hides her origin. But for many, it is no secret that the father of this woman with a hair-braid—Viktor Abramovich Kapitelman—has Jewish roots."

Ioffe adds: "In Ukraine, meanwhile, the Jews are standing with the provisional government in Kiev, which has even appointed one of them to run the Dniepropetrovsk region."

Isn't it just like those tricky Jews to deny being persecuted the one time we actually want them to be?

Meanwhile darlings of the Idiot Left like always-annoying William Engdahl pose "China, Russia and Iran as a resistance against global fascism." Will you please shut up?

This simultaneous fascist resurgence among pro-European forces in Ukraine and anti-European forces in Britain and France (and Russia) is instructive. We've noted why Jews and progressives in Ukraine seek to move towards the EU: It offers basic standards of human and civil rights, at least in theory—in contrast to Putin's Eurasian Union project. But Ukrainian rightists, who only seek distance from Russia on nationalist grounds, also joined the movement that brought down the Moscow-aligned Yanukovich regime, and are now in influential places in the new government. Meanwhile, within the EU, austerity is provoking a backlash readily exploited by the neo-fascist right. This should give Jews and progressives in Ukraine pause...
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Re: Global Research, Chossudovsky, Russia, Propaganda

Postby American Dream » Wed Oct 29, 2014 8:25 pm

http://ww4report.com/node/13493#comment-452373


Israel Shamir attends Yalta pseudo-anti-fascist summit

Submitted by Bill Weinberg on Tue, 09/02/2014 - 00:13.

It is hardly a surprise, but it appears that the vile Israel Shamir attended the Yalta affair, which was officially entitled "Russia, Ukraine, New Russia: Global Problems and Challenges." A very staid and technocratic name, except that the reference to "New Russia" completely betrays their hand. Ukraine-watcher Anton Shekhovtsov has assembled on his blog photos from the confab, in which Shamir is seen.



American Dream » Wed Sep 03, 2014 12:45 pm wrote: http://www.ww4report.com/node/13493

Fascist pseudo-anti-fascism advances in Russia

Submitted by Bill Weinberg on Mon, 09/01/2014

We have been noting, with growing unease, a phenomenon we call the Paradoxical Anti-Fascist Rhetoric of Contemporary Crypto-Fascism—witnessed both in the stateside far right Hitler-baiting Obama, and (more disturbingly) in the increasingly fascistic Vladimir Putin Nazi-baiting the Ukrainians. Now, the websites Human Rights in Ukraine and Kyiv Post report on a far-right summit just held at Yalta (yes, in recently annexed Crimea, and the site of an Allied summit in World War II), attended by representatives of such unsavory entities as Hungary's Jobbik party, Belgium's Parti Communautaire National-Européen, and the British National Party—and overseen by Sergei Glazyev, a senior adviser to Putin, and Maxim Shevchenko, a member of Putin's human rights council (sic!). Predictably, this assemblage of neo-fascists discussed forming an "Anti-fascist Council" to oppose the "fascist junta in Kiev." Many of the Russian militants in attendance are said to have been followers of the Eurasia Party of Alexander Dugin—seemingly a key ideologue of Putin's Eurasian Union project.

We are heartened to note that simultaneously, as Sweden's neo-fascist Party of the Swedes(formerly the more honestly named National Socialist Front, with an agenda of halting immigraiton to preserve the country's "Western genetic and cultural heritage") took to the streets of Stockholm, the 150 or so of them were massively outnumbered by thousands of anti-fascist counter-protesters. There were clashes with police who tried to separate the two groups. (AP, Aug. 30)

But with much of the European and American "left" stupidly rallying around Putin and buying his line that the Ukrainians are neo-Nazis, we fear that some of the once stalwart antifas may become confused in their analysis. It isn't that there isn't a fascist element emerging in Ukraine. Of course there is. It's that there is also a fascist element emerging in Russia, around the ultra-nationalist and authoritarian cult of Putin. Supporting Putin in the name of "anti-fascism" is despairingly stupid—and all the more so after this Yalta confab.

Meanwhile, Euromaidan Press reports that a Russian Anti-War Committee has been formed to oppose Putin's invasion of Ukraine. The founding statement demands Putin's impeachment and calls on Russians to "Express their strong rejection of this fratricidal war with acts of peaceful civil disobedience." The mothers of soldiers mobilized to Ukraine have formed a Сommittee of Soldiers' Mothers and released a video demanding that Russian officials (who still deny Russian incursions into Ukraine) bring back their children alive.

We have noted the emergence of an anti-war opposition in Russia before—and that being an anti-war protester in Russia requires far more courage than in the West. We again insist:These are the people in Russia that we as progressives in the West should be supporting—not the war criminal Putin.
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Re: Global Research, Chossudovsky, Russia, Propaganda

Postby coffin_dodger » Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:52 am

"Fascist pseudo-anti-fascism"

"Paradoxical Anti-Fascist Rhetoric of Contemporary Crypto-Fascism"


:rofl2

but what about the "Liberal Left-Leaning Anti-Fascist Crypto-Anti-Semetic Fascist paradox of the Crypto-Fascist Centre Ground Anarchists"?

Surely this should be considered?
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Re: Global Research, Chossudovsky, Russia, Propaganda

Postby jakell » Thu Oct 30, 2014 6:58 am

coffin_dodger » Thu Oct 30, 2014 9:52 am wrote:
"Fascist pseudo-anti-fascism"

"Paradoxical Anti-Fascist Rhetoric of Contemporary Crypto-Fascism"


:rofl2

but what about the "Liberal Left-Leaning Anti-Fascist Crypto-Anti-Semetic Fascist paradox of the Crypto-Fascist Centre Ground Anarchists"?

Surely this should be considered?


You're not meant to process all those other words, just the word 'fascism', they are fnords designed to disguise the ill-fitting context of the word.

A bit like how 'right' and 'far-right' became fuzzy in a recent statement about forum members.
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Re: Global Research, Chossudovsky, Russia, Propaganda

Postby American Dream » Thu Oct 30, 2014 8:54 am

I'm fasting from fighting for Lent, but such efforts as seen immediately above to stir up food fights will surely continue. Anyway, I've got my "ignore list" in full effect- may possibly have to add to it but, unfortunately perhaps to a few misguided souls, anti-fascist content will be continuing at RI...
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Re: Global Research, Chossudovsky, Russia, Propaganda

Postby stefano » Thu Oct 30, 2014 9:00 am

It's six months to Lent, you complete loon.

on edit - Sincere apologies. Five months.
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Re: Global Research, Chossudovsky, Russia, Propaganda

Postby norton ash » Thu Oct 30, 2014 9:05 am

Yeah, what's up with the mockery of Lent? Anti-Catholicism!!!
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Re: Global Research, Chossudovsky, Russia, Propaganda

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Oct 30, 2014 9:08 am

it's the person of color Jewish Ukrainian antifascist Lent time
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Re: Global Research, Chossudovsky, Russia, Propaganda

Postby American Dream » Thu Oct 30, 2014 9:17 am

stefano » Thu Oct 30, 2014 8:00 am wrote:It's six months to Lent, you complete loon.


Of course I do find the arguments in favor of conspiracy tropes that I consider to be artifacts of the far Right to be not only really fucked-up in their effect in the world but also deeply triggering on a personal level. Just now, I am losing another friend who has embarked on a downward spiral- aided and abetted by the crassest forms of bigotry- and they are smart, should really know better. Going/staying mentally ill- in this case over World Islamic Conspiracy bullshit as propagated by creatures of the American Right- seems wholly tragic to me, to the targets of the hatred and to the person spreading these ideas, as well as to any developing trends for meaningful and positive social change.

So the best compromise I can find is to still post some material that is intelligently critical of racist/fascist/reactionary memes in conspiracy culture but try to avoid getting too personally upset by the racism, misogyny, xenophobia, religious and cultural bigotry and whatnot that is inherent in this area.

If others are able to have more fruitful conversations with people who are into these sorts of things, more power to you. I think that knowing my own triggers and avoiding unproductive exchanges is for the good...
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Re: Global Research, Chossudovsky, Russia, Propaganda

Postby Sounder » Thu Oct 30, 2014 9:21 am

Anyway, I've got my "ignore list" in full effect-


Why not just put everybody on ignore? You do anyway.

Then you could have your real deal one man show.

Also, you are still 'fighting', you are just doing it very passive aggressively.



One structural problem with propaganda is its necessity to cover itself with virtue, while denying any virtue to its targets.

Huhhh, where is that happening?
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Re: Global Research, Chossudovsky, Russia, Propaganda

Postby Searcher08 » Thu Oct 30, 2014 9:36 am

stefano » Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:00 pm wrote:It's six months to Lent, you complete loon.


:sun: lulz


First, I think you have been brave in exposing that you find this stuff personally triggering (by triggering I mean triggers emotional states that are less than useful in your current life in both productivity and self-worth).

Having a friend who is living out some of the issues as you see it makes being at RI a whole different ball of wax, when trying to contribute in a particular area; I know from personal experience (described in my thread 'Breaking the Fifth Wall at RI') that it can be excruciating. It can also effect interpersonal communications - I became hyper-sensitive, which was itself a less than productive state. Paradoxically, I also became impervious to feedback, creating an extremely vicious circle.

The single most useful question I have come across (in terms of moving forward) is not about analysis or criticism.

It is about the future.

And what would you like to have happen?



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stefano » Thu Oct 30, 2014 8:00 am wrote:
It's six months to Lent, you complete loon.


Of course I do find the arguments in favor of conspiracy tropes that I consider to be artifacts of the far Right to be not only really fucked-up in their effect in the world but also deeply triggering on a personal level. Just now, I am losing another friend who has embarked on a downward spiral- aided and abetted by the crassest forms of bigotry- and they are smart, should really know better. Going/staying mentally ill- in this case over World Islamic Conspiracy bullshit as propagated by creatures of the American Right- seems wholly tragic to me, to the targets of the hatred and to the person spreading these ideas, as well as to any developing trends for meaningful and positive social change.

So the best compromise I can find is to still post some material that is intelligently critical of racist/fascist/reactionary memes in conspiracy culture but try to avoid getting too personally upset by the racism, misogyny, xenophobia, religious and cultural bigotry and whatnot that is inherent in this area.

If others are able to have more fruitful conversations with people who are into these sorts of things, more power to you. I think that knowing my own triggers and avoiding unfruitful exchanges is for the good...
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Re: Global Research, Chossudovsky, Russia, Propaganda

Postby American Dream » Thu Oct 30, 2014 9:43 am

Searcher08 » Thu Oct 30, 2014 8:36 am wrote:
The single most useful question I have come across (in terms of moving forward) is not about analysis or criticism.

It is about the future.

And what would you like to have happen?




Essentially, as I said above: "I have no particular hope or expectation that I will change the individuals most wedded to that stuff but I do want to make a counterpoint available to the majority who seem to be more in the "undecided" and/or strongly anti-racist/anti-fascist camps."

and: "So the best compromise I can find is to still post some material that is intelligently critical of racist/fascist/reactionary memes in conspiracy culture but try to avoid getting too personally upset by the racism, misogyny, xenophobia, religious and cultural bigotry and whatnot that is inherent in this area... I think that knowing my own triggers and avoiding unproductive exchanges is for the good..."
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