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Re: Global Research, Chossudovsky, Russia, Propaganda

Postby American Dream » Wed Nov 12, 2014 3:25 pm

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Re: Global Research, Chossudovsky, Russia, Propaganda

Postby Sounder » Wed Nov 12, 2014 8:17 pm

This is an aspect of globalism (referred to earlier) to object too.

There is some poor writing here, but just focus on your humanity and you will get over it. :coolshades

Is the WHO Using Vaccines to Secretly Sterilize Women All Over the Globe?
By Michael Snyder
Global Research, November 12, 2014
End of the American Dream 11 November 2014


In some areas of the world, purposely cutting off someone’s family line is considered to be one of the most wicked things that you can possibly do. But that appears to be precisely what the United Nations is doing. Two UN organizations, the WHO and UNICEF, have just been caught red-handed administering “tetanus vaccines” laced with sterilizing agents to girls and women in Kenya. And as you will see below, this is not the first time that this has happened. Apparently there is a well-coordinated international program to use vaccines to secretly sterilize women in poor countries all over the planet. The United States needs to immediately demand a full investigation of the UN vaccine program, but I wouldn’t count on that ever happening under the Obama administration.

There have always been anecdotal stories of women all over the globe being unable to have children after receiving UN vaccines. But now we have scientific proof. Lab tests that were recently conducted found an antigen that causes miscarriages in the vaccines that were being given to girls and women in Kenya. A story that was posted on Life Site News about this caused shockwaves all over the Internet. The following is an excerpt from that report…

Kenya’s Catholic bishops are charging two United Nations organizations with sterilizing millions of girls and women under cover of an anti-tetanus inoculation program sponsored by the Kenyan government.

According to a statement released Tuesday by the Kenya Catholic Doctors Association, the organization has found an antigen that causes miscarriages in a vaccine being administered to 2.3 million girls and women by the World Health Organization and UNICEF. Priests throughout Kenya reportedly are advising their congregations to refuse the vaccine.

“We sent six samples from around Kenya to laboratories in South Africa. They tested positive for the HCG antigen,” Dr. Muhame Ngare of the Mercy Medical Centre in Nairobi told LifeSiteNews. “They were all laced with HCG.”

So exactly what is HCG?

The following is how Natural News described what it does…

HCG is a chemical developed by the World Health Organization for sterilization purposes. When injected into the body of a young woman, it causes a pregnancy to be destroyed by the body’s own antibody response to the HCG,resulting in a spontaneous abortion. Its effectiveness lasts for years, causing abortions in women up to three years after the injections.

This is an absolutely horrifying scandal, but the mainstream media is totally ignoring it.

Perhaps that is because they agree with what the United Nations is trying to do.

And should we actually be surprised at what the UN is doing? After all, the UN has publicly declared in writing that it intends to reduce population growth in Kenya…
The United Nations and its oftentimes barbaric population-control apparatus are under fire again after releasing a deeply controversial report claiming that the African population of Kenya is too large and growing too quickly. To deal with the supposed “challenge,” as the UN and its “partners” in the national government put it, international bureaucrats are demanding stepped up efforts to brainwash Kenyan women into wanting fewer children. Also on the agenda: more taxpayer-funded “family-planning” and “reproductive-health” schemes to reduce the number of Africans to levels considered “desirable” by the UN.

Critics promptly lambasted the plot as undisguised eugenics, with some experts calling it a true example of the “war on women.” Among other concerns, analysts outraged by the report noted that the UN Population Fund (UNFPA) and the establishment’s fiendish efforts to slash human populations — especially those considered “undesirable” by self-appointed guardians of the gene pool — have a long and sordid history going back decades. Today, the agenda marches on, as illustrated in the latest UN report calling for drastically reduced numbers of Kenyans.

When very evil people tell you that they intend to do something, you should take them very seriously.

And without a doubt, the UN is evil. To use vaccines to secretly sterilize women against their will is almost too wicked to describe with words.
But the UN will keep doing this until we demand that they stop. Back in the 1990s, similar sterilization campaigns using tetanus vaccines were being conducted in Nicaragua, Mexico and the Philippines. The following comes from thinktwice.com…

Here are the known facts concerning the tetanus vaccination campaigns in Mexico and the Philippines:

* Only women are vaccinated, and only the women between the ages of 15 and 45. (In Nicaragua the age range was 12-49.) But aren’t men at least as likely as young women to come into contact with tetanus? And what of the children? Why are they excluded?

* Human chorionic gonadotrophin (hCG) hormone has been found in the vaccines. It does not belong there — in the parlance of the O.J. Simpson murder trial, the vaccine has been “contaminated.”

* The vaccination protocols call for multiple injections — three within three months and a total of five altogether. But, since tetanus vaccinations provide protection for ten years or more, why are multiple inoculations called for?(3)

* WHO has been actively involved for more than 20 years in the development of an anti-fertility vaccine utilizing hCG tied to tetanus toxoid as a carrier — the exact same coupling as has been found in the Mexican-Philippine-Nicaragua vaccines.(4)

And these are just the incidents that we know about.

I think that it would be safe to say that wherever the UN is vaccinating people for tetanus all over the world there are probably sterilizing agents in those vaccines.
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Re: Global Research, Chossudovsky, Russia, Propaganda

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Wed Nov 12, 2014 9:07 pm

Sounder » Wed Nov 12, 2014 7:17 pm wrote:This is an aspect of globalism (referred to earlier) to object too.


Sounder, while I appreciate, and I'm sure most others do too, your commitment to illustrating how your contributions are relevant to the thread subject, it's really not necessary. Apparently the original author of this thread has abandoned all pretense at posting material showing connections between Global Research, Chossudovsky, Russia and Propaganda and is content to keep this thread kicked to the top of page 1 with music videos from post-punk new wave bands. Go figure.
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Re: Global Research, Chossudovsky, Russia, Propaganda

Postby Sounder » Wed Nov 12, 2014 9:34 pm

I suppose not, and I'm violating my rule of not clicking on or posting in AD threads when he is the last poster.

But lemons and lemonade and all, and why not add a little spice with global research material in the global research thread?

So here is another.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukrainian- ... us/5413538

Bragging about the US support he is getting on Facebook. They don't seem to care who knows, because I suppose they think it doesn't matter.

There must be plenty of flack catchers on the job.
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Re: Global Research, Chossudovsky, Russia, Propaganda

Postby justdrew » Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:06 pm

well, the only thing is, it's a lie, and a lie that will kill people.

http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/tetanus.asp

https://www.google.com/search?q=tetanus+vaccine+kenya

The concerns of Ngare and bishops in Kenya echo those expressed two decades earlier in the countries cited: Mexico, Tanzania, Nicaragua, and the Philippines. Although no large-scale sterilizations occurred, immunization efforts in all four nations were adversely affected by similar rumors.
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Re: Global Research, Chossudovsky, Russia, Propaganda

Postby Sounder » Thu Nov 13, 2014 6:14 am

I will try to maintain an open mind on this issue, justdrew. One question I have is why five jabs for tetanus. I get one and it lasts for ten years.

The Catholic doctors assert, they have been administering vaccines for one hundred years, so this is not an anti-vaccine ploy. And in this case, the Catholic doctors seem to hold better credibility than does WHO, or snopes.

Also, in your bold print screen grab, it was concluded that there were no large-scale sterilizations in the earlier mentioned countries. Does this imply that a limited sterilization program was in effect?

(Oh so many ways to lie.)

Even limited sterilization programs must require some fairly high level decision makers.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/a-mas ... nt-in-uThu Nov 6, 2014 - 2:29 pm EST

‘A mass sterilization exercise’: Kenyan doctors find anti-fertility agent in UN tetanus vaccine

Kenya’s Catholic bishops are charging two United Nations organizations with sterilizing millions of girls and women under cover of an anti-tetanus inoculation program sponsored by the Kenyan government.

According to a statement released Tuesday by the Kenya Catholic Doctors Association, the organization has found an antigen that causes miscarriages in a vaccine being administered to 2.3 million girls and women by the World Health Organization and UNICEF. Priests throughout Kenya reportedly are advising their congregations to refuse the vaccine.

“We sent six samples from around Kenya to laboratories in South Africa. They tested positive for the HCG antigen,” Dr. Muhame Ngare of the Mercy Medical Centre in Nairobi told LifeSiteNews. “They were all laced with HCG.”

Dr. Ngare, spokesman for the Kenya Catholic Doctors Association, stated in a bulletin released November 4, “This proved right our worst fears; that this WHO campaign is not about eradicating neonatal tetanus but a well-coordinated forceful population control mass sterilization exercise using a proven fertility regulating vaccine. This evidence was presented to the Ministry of Health before the third round of immunization but was ignored.”

But the government says the vaccine is safe. Health Minister James Macharia even told the BBC, “I would recommend my own daughter and wife to take it because I entirely 100% agree with it and have confidence it has no adverse health effects.”

And Dr. Collins Tabu, head of the Health Ministry’s immunization branch, told the Kenyan Nation, that “there is no other additive in the vaccine other than the tetanus antigen.”
Tabu said the same vaccine has been used for 30 years in Kenya. Moreover, “there are women who were vaccinated in October 2013 and March this year who are expectant. Therefore we deny that the vaccines are laced with contraceptives.”

Newspaper stories also report women getting pregnant after being vaccinated.

Responds Dr. Ngare: “Either we are lying or the government is lying. But ask yourself, ‘What reason do the Catholic doctors have for lying?’” Dr. Ngare added: “The Catholic Church has been here in Kenya providing health care and vaccinating for 100 years for longer than Kenya has existed as a country.”

Dr. Ngare told LifeSiteNews that several things alerted doctors in the Church’s far-flung medical system of 54 hospitals, 83 health centres, and 17 medical and nursing schools to the possibility the anti-tetanus campaign was secretly an anti-fertility campaign.

Why, they ask does it involve an unprecedented five shots (or “jabs” as they are known, in Kenya) over more than two years and why is it applied only to women of child-bearing years, and why is it not being conducted without the usual fanfare of government publicity?

“Usually we give a series three shots over two to three years, we give it anyone who comes into the clinic with an open wound, men, women or children.” said Dr. Ngare. “If this is intended to inoculate children in the womb, why give it to girls starting at 15 years? You cannot get married till you are 18.” The usual way to vaccinate children is to wait till they are six weeks old.”

But it is the five-vaccination regime that is most alarming. “The only time tetanus vaccine has been given in five doses is when it is used as a carrier in fertility regulating vaccines laced with the pregnancy hormone, Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) developed by WHO in 1992.”

It is HCG that has been found in all six samples sent to the University of Nairobi medical laboratory and another in South Africa. The bishops and doctors warn that injecting women with HCG , which mimics a natural hormone produced by pregnant women, causes them to develop antibodies against it. When they do get pregnant, and produce their own version of HCG, it triggers the production of antibodies that cause a miscarriage.

“We knew that the last time this vaccination with five injections has been used was in Mexico in 1993 and Nicaragua and the Philippines in 1994,” said Dr. Ngare. “It didn’t cause miscarriages till three years later,” which is why, he added, the counterclaims that women who got the vaccination recently and then got pregnant are meaningless.

Ngare said WHO tried to bring the same anti-fertility program into Kenya in the 1990s. “We alerted the government and it stopped the vaccination. But this time they haven’t done so.”
Ngare also contrasted the secrecy of this campaign with the usual fanfare accompanying national vaccination efforts. “They usually bring all the stakeholders together three months before the campaign, like they did with polio a little while ago. And they use staff in all the centres to give out the vaccine.” But with this anti-tetanus campaign, “only a few operatives from the government are allowed to give it out. They come with a police escort. They take it away with them when they are finished. Why not leave it with the local medical staff to administer?”




To me, the argument you make, justdrew is, this cannot be true because any threat to the reputation of vaccine usage causes greater harm than do any violations of of the integrity of a vaccines formulation itself.

Hopefully I am wrong.
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Re: Global Research, Chossudovsky, Russia, Propaganda

Postby DrEvil » Thu Nov 13, 2014 10:18 am

The following is how Natural News described what it does…

HCG is a chemical developed by the World Health Organization for sterilization purposes.


This is a blatant lie, but I wouldn't expect anything else from Natural News.

It can be created artificially, or extracted from the urine of pregnant women.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_chor ... nadotropin
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Re: Propaganda

Postby Sounder » Thu Nov 13, 2014 6:56 pm

Was that from this story? In bringing up a known fraudster, it suggests that said well known fraudster is serving his purpose, and quite well.

This class of ‘activists’ are worth their weight in gold to the big PR firms.

They are dual purpose, first to allow peripheral news hounds to bury their cognitive dissonance so as to not have to consider disturbing implications regarding the probable truth of at least certain elements of some stories.

Then of course there are the saps that look to these actors to fix their own cognitive dissonance, only to be led into blind alleys with an eventual result of another beaten soul settling back into straight normative thinking.

Kinda sad, but hey I hear it's a growing sector, a loud mouth and a stylish twist to your patter is about all a person needs to get into it.


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Re: Global Research, Chossudovsky, Russia, Propaganda

Postby DrEvil » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:48 pm

Yes, please do, and take your insinuations with you. They're getting old.
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Re: Global Research, Chossudovsky, Russia, Propaganda

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:52 pm

When Henry Kissinger Makes Sense
November 12, 2014

Exclusive: Former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger disputes the mainstream U.S. media’s view of the Ukraine crisis, noting that Russia’s response was reactive to the West’s actions, not the other way around. But the MSM keeps up the drumbeat about Russian “aggression,” writes Robert Parry.

By Robert Parry

The American public is faced with an information crisis as the New York Times and other mainstream U.S. media outlets have become little more than propaganda organs on behalf of the neoconservative agenda and particularly the rush into a new Cold War with Russia – so much so that even ex-Secretary of State Henry Kissinger has broken ranks.

MSM articles consistently reek of bias – and in some cases make little sense. For instance, Times correspondent David M. Herszenhorn, one of the leading propagandists, wrote an alarmist story on Wednesday about a new Russian “invasion” of Ukraine but curiously he had the alleged Russian tank column heading east toward the Ukrainian city of Donetsk which would be back toward Russia, not westward into Ukraine.

According to Herszenhorn’s article, “The full scope of the Russian incursion is not clear, [NATO Supreme Commander Gen. Philip M. Breedlove] said, though the convoys seemed to be heading east toward Donetsk, an O.S.C.E. spokesman, Michael Bociurkiw, said Wednesday.”

Typical of his anti-Russian bias, Herszenhorn also cited Ukrainian government complaints that the Russians had been using a shaky cease-fire to bolster the ethnic Russian rebels in the east, but the reality is that both sides have been accusing the other of such maneuvering. Herszenhorn surely knows this but he wrote only:

“Ukrainian officials have complained all along that Russia was taking advantage of the so-called truce to reinforce the rebels in eastern Ukraine with more fighters and equipment.”

The reality is that there has been widespread alarm among eastern Ukrainians that the Kiev regime was using the relative lull in the fighting to resupply and reposition its forces for a new offensive like the one that killed thousands over the summer. Though human rights organizations have criticized Kiev for indiscriminate shelling of cities and unleashing brutal militia forces on the population, the Times and other mainstream U.S. newspapers have either ignored or downplayed such facts.

On Wednesday, Herszenhorn also compared the alleged new Russian incursion with the “invasion” of Crimea, although there really was no “invasion” of Crimea since the Russian troops that were involved in supporting Crimea’s popular referendum to secede from Ukraine and rejoin Russia were already in Crimea under an agreement with the Ukrainian government regarding the Russian naval base at Sebastopol.

Herszenhorn’s use of the word “invasion” is just an exaggeration like the rest of the imbalanced reporting that has made a rational U.S. public response to the crisis in Ukraine nearly impossible.

Since the start of the crisis in February, the New York Times’ coverage has been remarkable in its refusal to present the Ukraine story in anything like an objective fashion. For example, the Times has largely ignored the substantial public evidence that U.S. government officials and agents helped orchestrate the Feb. 22 coup which overthrew the elected President Viktor Yanukovych. [See Consortiumnews.com’s “The Whys Behind the Ukraine Crisis.”]

The Times also has buried evidence that extreme right-wing and neo-Nazi elements played key roles in firebombing police, forcing Yanukovych and other government officials to flee for their lives, and spearheading later attacks on ethnic Russians. When this reality is referenced, it is usually presented with little meaningful context or tacked on in the last few paragraphs of long articles on other topics.

Mocking Medvedev

Herszenhorn himself has been a leading violator of journalistic standards. For instance, in mid-April, early on in the crisis, he penned a mocking story from Moscow ridiculing Russian Prime Minister Dmitri Medvedev for predicting a possible civil war.

In the article entitled “Russia Is Quick To Bend Truth About Ukraine,” Herszenhorn accused Medvedev of posting an item on Facebook that “was bleak and full of dread,” including noting that “blood has been spilled in Ukraine again” and adding that “the threat of civil war looms.”

Herszenhorn continued, “He [Medvedev] pleaded with Ukrainians to decide their own future ‘without usurpers, nationalists and bandits, without tanks or armored vehicles – and without secret visits by the C.I.A. director.’ And so began another day of bluster and hyperbole, of the misinformation, exaggerations, conspiracy theories, overheated rhetoric and, occasionally, outright lies about the political crisis in Ukraine that have emanated from the highest echelons of the Kremlin and reverberated on state-controlled Russian television, hour after hour, day after day, week after week.”

This argumentative “news” story spilled from the front page to the top half of an inside page, but Herszenhorn never managed to mention that there was nothing false in what Medvedev wrote. Indeed, as the bloodshed soon grew worse and escalated into a civil war, you might say Medvedev was tragically prescient.

It was also the much-maligned Russian press that first reported the secret visit of CIA Director John Brennan to Kiev. Though the White House later confirmed that report, Herszenhorn still cited Medvedev’s reference to it in the context of “misinformation” and “conspiracy theories.” Nowhere in the long article did the Times inform its readers that, yes, the CIA director did make a secret visit to Ukraine.

In this upside-down world of MSM disinformation, there has been very little criticism of the glaring biases of the mainstream Western media but instead continued attacks on the professionalism of the Russian media, including an adverse finding this week by an official British agency that monitors alleged bias in news outlets operating in the UK. The agency, known as Ofcom, accused Russia’s RT network of failing to meet standards for “due impartiality” in early Ukraine coverage.

Interestingly, Ofcom did not judge any of the RT reports false in their description of neo-Nazi thugs participating in the Feb. 22 coup, a possible role of coup-related snipers in the slaughter of scores of people at the Maidan, and the unconstitutionality of the new government.

But Ofcom faulted RT for not meeting the fuzzy concept of “due impartiality” and threatened regulatory sanctions against RT if it didn’t shape up. Ofcom defined “due impartiality” as “impartiality adequate or appropriate to the subject and nature of the programme.”

The image of a British regulatory body threatening RT with sanctions for not toeing the pro-Western propaganda line that nearly all UK and U.S. news outlets do has an Orwellian feel to it, singling out one of the few sources of news that doesn’t accept the prevailing “group think.”

It would be one thing if the same standards were applied to Western media outlets for their one-sided reporting on Ukraine, but that apparently would ruffle too many important feathers.

Kissinger’s Dissent

Curiously, one of the few prominent Westerners who has dared question the prevailing wisdom on Ukraine is former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger who said, in an interview with the German newsmagazine Der Spiegel, that the West was exaggerating the significance of the Crimean annexation given the peninsula’s long historic ties to Russia.

“The annexation of the Crimea was no bid for world domination,” the 91-year-old Kissinger said. “It is not to be compared with Hitler’s invasion in Czechoslovakia” – as former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and others have done.

Kissinger noted that Russian President Vladimir Putin had no intention of instigating a crisis in Ukraine: “Putin had [spent] tens of billions of dollars for the Olympic Winter Games … in Sochi. Russia wanted to present [itself] as a progressive nation. … It does not make sense that Putin, a week later, [launches] the Crimea attacks and a war for Ukraine begins.”

Instead Kissinger argued that the West – with its strategy of pulling Ukraine into the orbit of the European Union – was responsible for the crisis by failing to understand Russian sensitivity over Ukraine and making the “fatal” mistake of quickly pushing the confrontation beyond dialogue.

But Kissinger also faulted Putin for his reaction to the crisis. “I do not want to say that Russia’s response was appropriate,” Kissinger said.

Still, Kissinger told Der Spiegel that “a new edition of the Cold War would be a tragedy. … We must keep in view, that we need Russia to solve other crises, such as the nuclear conflict with Iran or Syria’s civil war.”

When Henry Kissinger starts to sound like the voice of reason, it says a lot about how crazy the New York Times and the rest of the MSM have become.
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Re: Global Research, Chossudovsky, Russia, Propaganda

Postby American Dream » Thu Nov 13, 2014 9:41 pm

I do not have the power to cause a flood
I'm not like Storm from X-men who so easily could
Manipulate the weather, causing havoc where she stood
But if I had the power to cause a flood,
I would

Oh I'd send one right to Russia, straight to Putin's door
The waves of my destruction spanning miles
To wash away the prejudice and then never more would he make statements
That equate us all to paedophiles
But instead give all Pussy Riot a dame-hood
If I only had the power to cause a flood






Yes, I'd send one to Uganda where Museveni says
Gay and bi and trans "abnormals" need a cure
Until he finds one, he's content to throw them all in jail
A life sentence of repentance but you can be sure
That Museveni definitely would
Know it if I had the power to cause a flood

And for Jeremy Clarkson, it's all just a bit of fun
For our highly paid celebrities
To use language of bigotry
And then make no apology
Because no one sees a link between
The things he thinks it's fine to tweet
And people yelled at in the street
And kids abused in every school
And the time my windows were bricked through
And Putin and Museveni
For UKIP and for Jeremy
And banter from the Top Gear lads,
Yeah it's PC gone fucking mad
And that's all just well and good

But if I had the power to cause a flood,
You can bet I would.
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Re: Global Research, Chossudovsky, Russia, Propaganda

Postby Sounder » Fri Nov 14, 2014 7:15 am

The cause of gay rights is not aided if it is used as a shield and excuse to inflict atrocities on potential, millions of vilified then victimized regular beautiful people.

This is the standard Soros line.

Right now, there are massacres of civilians and bombing specifically designed to ethnic cleanse the eastern Ukraine so as to maintain the demographics for a western directed 'democracy'.

Well I guess on the sunny side, these tactics should become more apparent in time as their grand repetition technique turns into a liability when a larger share of the general population catches on to how the lies worked in the past.

Till then, western will and money will continue to facilitate the mass killing of civilians in the east.

But wait says AD, stop crying for those 'moskars', because why? Putin, -bad and -gays.




(In the get a clue dept.) The elitists that ‘supported’ the JBS did not 'like' conservatives any more than they ‘support’ rights for any other sub-set of the hoi-polloi, other than to use them to attack some other sub-set.
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Re: Global Research, Chossudovsky, Russia, Propaganda

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Nov 14, 2014 5:49 pm

Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: Global Research, Chossudovsky, Russia, Propaganda

Postby Searcher08 » Fri Nov 14, 2014 6:51 pm

Ideologist
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American Dream » Fri Nov 14, 2014 1:41 am wrote: I do not have the power to cause a flood
I'm not like Storm from X-men who so easily could
Manipulate the weather, causing havoc where she stood
But if I had the power to cause a flood,
I would

Oh I'd send one right to Russia, straight to Putin's door
The waves of my destruction spanning miles
To wash away the prejudice and then never more would he make statements
That equate us all to paedophiles
But instead give all Pussy Riot a dame-hood
If I only had the power to cause a flood






Yes, I'd send one to Uganda where Museveni says
Gay and bi and trans "abnormals" need a cure
Until he finds one, he's content to throw them all in jail
A life sentence of repentance but you can be sure
That Museveni definitely would
Know it if I had the power to cause a flood

And for Jeremy Clarkson, it's all just a bit of fun
For our highly paid celebrities
To use language of bigotry
And then make no apology
Because no one sees a link between
The things he thinks it's fine to tweet
And people yelled at in the street
And kids abused in every school
And the time my windows were bricked through
And Putin and Museveni
For UKIP and for Jeremy
And banter from the Top Gear lads,
Yeah it's PC gone fucking mad
And that's all just well and good

But if I had the power to cause a flood,
You can bet I would.
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Re: Global Research, Chossudovsky, Russia, Propaganda

Postby jakell » Fri Nov 14, 2014 7:03 pm

From the mid eighties on I was in a couple of punk bands, and we had a few political songs.
In general I found that the more political they were, the more bollocks they were. It's hard getting that balance right, and sometimes better just to stop trying too hard.

I think the pedigree of 'political punk' goes back to 60's protest songs, and that difference was that it was less abstract then. There was the Vietnam war and the draft, if you grew your hair long,dropped out and/or protested there was a very real chance you would get the shit kicked out of you. I remember that I could languish for years as a punk on the dole and rarely get a second glance. Quite a difference.



Yeah, I know Dave McGowan has supposedly 'outed' a lot of these guys, but I take that with a large pinch of salt, the music was too real for a a crowd of mostly Norbert the Narcs (not just CSN&Y, but the whole scene)
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