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Gashweir » Thu Aug 14, 2014 11:11 am wrote: I would like to see the evidence that Global Research is a "Russian government-funded propaganda organ". It may be, but even if it is, I appreciate a countervailing viewpoint to the Trans-national corporation funded propaganda organs which compose the main stream media.
The Canada-based Centre for Research on Globalization is also interesting. It was founded and is now headed by Michel Chossudovsky; among the Centre's contributors are Neil Clark, Mahdi D. Nazemroaya and William Engdahl. Chossudovsky, Nazemroaya and Engdahl are members of the scientific committee of the Italian journal Geopolitica, which also includes John Laughland and Natalya Narochnitskaya. Geopolitica is edited by Tiberio Graziani, a fervent advocate of the Eurasian cooperation and a member of the High Council of the International Eurasian Movement led by Russian fascist Aleksandr Dugin. In 2008, Dugin called for the Russian occupation of Georgia, and even made a trip to South Ossetia together with his followers from the Eurasian Youth Union.
Aleksandr Dugin and his followers in South Ossetia in 2008
Geopolitica itself is an off-shoot from the Italian extreme right journal Eurasia, Rivista di Studi Geopolitici, published and edited by Italian Nazi-Maoist Claudio Mutti. The scientific board of Eurasia includes Aleksandr Dugin and William Engdahl. In the early January, Engdahl published a piece titled "The Belgrade US-Financed Training Group Behind the Carefully-Orchestrated Kiev Protests".
Dugin has been promoting the idea of the destruction of Ukraine and its colonisation by Russia since the early 1990s. He has also been an inspiration for the foundation of the Italian national-socialist organisation Stato & Potenza which openly calls for the annexation of Ukraine to the Russian Federation. Dugin and Mutti have been friends since 1990; Mutti himself is closely associated with Stato & Potenza.
Aleksandr Dugin and Claudio Mutti in 2012
All the above-mentioned people and groups form - apparently a small - part of the wide network which is aimed at promoting anti-Western, pro-Russian and pro-Eurasianist ideas in the EU and the US and Canada. Moreover, the following people from this network are official regular contributors to the Kremlin-sponsored Russia Today (RT) TV:
Michel Chossudovsky (Centre for Research on Globalization, Geopolitica)
Neil Clark
William Engdahl (Centre for Research on Globalization, Geopolitica, Eurasia)
Eric Draitser (Centre for Research on Globalization, Stop Imperialism)
Daniel McAdams (ex-BHHRG, Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity)
Mahdi D. Nazemroaya (Centre for Research on Globalization, Geopolitica)
And these authors are in the pool of political commentators of yet another Kremlin-sponsored media service, the Voice of Russia:
Mark Almond (ex-BHHRG, Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity)
Michel Chossudovsky (Centre for Research on Globalization, Geopolitica)
Neil Clark
Eric Draitser (Centre for Research on Globalization, Stop Imperialism)
Aleksandr Dugin (International Eurasian Movement, Eurasia)
William Engdahl (Centre for Research on Globalization, Geopolitica, Eurasia)
Tiberio Graziani (Geopolitica)
John Laughland (ex-BHHRG, Institute of Democracy and Cooperation, Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity)
Daniel McAdams (ex-BHHRG, Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity)
Natalya Narochnitskaya (Institute of Democracy and Cooperation)
The Voice of Russia's offshoot in France is ProRussia TV which is linked to the French far right National Front and headed by Gilles Arnaud, a former National Front councilor in the Upper Normandy. The National Front's leader Marine Le Pen has received a warm welcome in Russia last summer. Then, in particular, she met Vice-Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, who helped found the Institute of Democracy and Cooperation when he was Russia's ambassador to NATO (2008-2011). It was during Rogozin's service in the Russian Mission to NATO when Ukraine and Georgia were denied membership in this organisation.
Marine Le Pen and Dmitry Rogozin in Moscow, 2013
Commenting on the Ukrainian government's decision not to sign the Association Agreement with the EU, Le Pen said that she was disappointed with the EU interference in the Ukrainian matters and recommended to the Ukrainians not "to join this nightmare", i.e. the EU (although nobody actually discussed Ukraine joining the EU). In this rhetoric, Le Pen was supported by Andreas Mölzer from the far right Freedom Party of Austria, who also suggested - when speaking about Ukraine's rapprochement with the EU - "to take into account the legitimate interests of Russia [which] is very sensitive to everything that happens in her immediate neighborhood [that] includes Ukraine, which, since the time of Peter the Great, was part of the Russian sphere of influence".
The large network consisting of pro-Russian authors and institutions is a hard/extreme right breeding-ground of all kinds of conspiracy theories, Euroscepticism, racism and anti-democratic theories.
Establishment Media Moves to Debunk ISIS CIA Asset Story – Dismissed as “Snowden Hoax” Global Research, August 13, 2014
Last month Time Magazine posted an article refuting the claim ISIS — now the fully militarized Islamic State — is an intelligence operation.
The article by war propagandist Aryn Baker states “conspiracy theories are nothing new in the Middle East.” Baker squarely places responsibility for the declared conspiracy theory on Iran. According to Baker, the Iranians claim the ISIS offensive currently underway in Iraq is “part of a U.S.-backed plot to destabilize the region and protect Israel.”
Baker reports IRNA and the Tehran Times believe NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden was responsible for uncovering details about operation Beehive, also translated as Hornet’s Nest, which is described as a joint U.S., British and Israeli effort to “create a terrorist organization capable of centralizing all extremist actions across the world.”
Baker concludes there is no evidence within the Snowden trove of any such plot. She chalks the accusation up to another baseless internet rumor. “Yet Iranian government officials and independent analysts in Iran alike cited IRNA’s report as definitive proof of ISIS’s American and Israeli origins,” she writes.
Evidence of IRNA and the Tehran Times, however, making the claim is suspiciously absent. “Regrettably, not knowing the date of IRNA’s scoop, or being able to view its text online, complicates investigation,” writes Alan Kurtz.
Kurtz traces responsibility for the “Snowden Hoax” to a German website, http://www.shababek.de, and Kareem al-Baidani. A photo of al-Baidani is used on the Facebook page of Abosamir Albaidani, identified by Kurtz as “an Iraqi Shiite writer based in Munich, Germany” who may or may not be associated with an al-Alam television show, Iraq Today. Al-Alam is an Arabic news channel broadcasting from Iran by the state-owned media corporation Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting.
The story was picked up by Iran’s Fars New Agency (FNA) and subsequently posted across the internet. It was also cited in a story posted by Infowars.com.
Glenn Greenwald and others state there is no evidence in the Snowden cache that ISIS is linked to the CIA, Mossad or any other intelligence agency.
Greenwald posted the following on his Twitter account today:
Greenwald points to Ben Wizner, a lawyer with the ACLU, who retweets spy novelist Jeremy Duns. Duns provides a link to the Kurtz blog post claiming to document the “Snowden Hoax” and a lack of definitive evidence connecting ISIS to the CIA or Mossad and pointing back to Iranian propaganda.
“The validity of the document,” we wrote on July 19, “cannot be verified due to the exclusivity of the Snowden cache. Cryptome sent a letter to various sources in possession of the documents, including The New York Times, Washington Post, The Guardian, Barton Gellman, Laura Poitrias, Glenn Greenwald, ACLU, EFF and others demanding an accounting. The allegation about ISIS and al-Baghdadi, however, pairs up with other information demonstrating ISIS is an intelligence asset.”
The remainder of our July 19 article lays out broad strokes demonstrating that ISIS is indeed a military and intelligence asset.
The putative (and mercurial) leader of ISIS, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi was reportedly a “civilian internee” at Camp Bucca, a U.S. military detention facility near Umm Qasr, Iraq. James Skylar Gerrond, a former U.S. Air Force security forces officer and a compound commander at Camp Bucca in 2006 and 2007, said the camp “created a pressure cooker for extremism.”
“Circumstantial evidence suggests that al-Baghdadi may have been mind-controlled while held prisoner by the US military in Iraq,” writes Dr. Kevin Barrett.
In July Nabil Na’eem, the founder of the Islamic Democratic Jihad Party and former top al-Qaeda commander, told the Beirut-based pan-Arab TV station al-Maydeen all current al-Qaeda affiliates, including ISIS, work for the CIA.
In June a Jordanian official told Aaron Klein of WorldNetDaily ISIS members were trained in 2012 by U.S. instructors working at a secret base in Jordan. In 2012 it was reported the U.S., Turkey and Jordan were running a training base for the Syrian rebels in the Jordanian town of Safawi.
“Key members of ISIS it now emerges were trained by US CIA and Special Forces command at a secret camp in Jordan in 2012, according to informed Jordanian officials,” writes William Engdahl. “The US, Turkish and Jordanian intelligence were running a training base for the Syrian rebels in the Jordanian town of Safawi in the country’s northern desert region, conveniently near the borders to both Syria and Iraq. Saudi Arabia and Qatar, the two Gulf monarchies most involved in funding the war against Syria’s Assad, financed the Jordan ISIS training.”
A scripted “geopolitical struggle between the US and Russia” is “the objective of leading neo-conservatives in the CIA, Pentagon and State Department all along,” Engdahl continues. “The CIA transported hundreds of Mujahideen Saudis and other foreign veterans of the 1980s Afghan war against the Soviets in Afghanistan into Chechnya to disrupt the struggling Russia in the early 1990s, particularly to sabotage the Russian oil pipeline running directly from Baku on the Caspian Sea into Russia. James Baker III and his friends in Anglo-American Big Oil had other plans. It was called the BTC pipeline, owned by a BP-US oil consortium and running through Tbilisi into NATO-member Turkey, free of Russian territory.”
The history of the CIA’s involvement in terrorist activities — in Bosnia as well as Chechnya and other former Soviet states — is well-known to historians. It is however ignored by Time Magazine and its groomed propagandists. The Snowden cache may indeed not contain a reference to the CIA, Mossad and ISIS. On the other hand, because the documents are closely held, as Cryptome argues, we will not know this for sure until they are made public.
Simply attributing the linkage to perennial enemy Iran and media pariah Infowars.com — and dismissing a possible linkage out of hand as a hoax — will not hide the fact the CIA, Mossad, British intelligence, et al, have all specialized in creating terror groups and have used these to gain geopolitical advantage, as they are now attempting to do with a putative ISIS domestic terror threat and renewed military activity in Iraq.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/establishment-media-moves-to-debunk-isis-cia-asset-story-dismissed-as-snowden-hoax/5395835
Gashweir » Thu Aug 14, 2014 4:02 pm wrote:AD: My reply wasn't really directed at you, but was a reaction to the MadCow story. With respect to Global Research, I do sometimes read articles from the website, but look at those articles as one or a few data point among many, and I appreciate that you posted the information; it will definitely make me more cautions about the news articles they post and write.
I also appreciate the 2nd article you posted. It is always instructive to see the associations of people who write and disseminate political analysis. Everyone has a bias, and it is helpful to try to understand the biases of the people whose writing and opinion you pay attention to.
Gashweir » Thu Aug 14, 2014 4:18 pm wrote:With respect to the main question about whether ISIS is controlled by CIA/Mossad, I believe it is a valid one, and quite possibly has elements of truth in it. There is plenty of evidence to show that the US has funded and trained various Islamic militants and militias to serve as proxy forces (Afghan mujahideen, Al Qaeda in the Balkans), as has Israel (Hamas), and Pakistan (Taliban), and doubtless many, many others. What I would like to know, is how much control they have over the ISIS, regardless of what role they played in funding and training them; fundamentalist proxies seem to have a tendency to get out of control of their controllers. The Tea Party being one such example, though in a different context.
American Dream » Thu Aug 14, 2014 12:32 pm wrote:Gashweir » Thu Aug 14, 2014 11:11 am wrote: I would like to see the evidence that Global Research is a "Russian government-funded propaganda organ". It may be, but even if it is, I appreciate a countervailing viewpoint to the Trans-national corporation funded propaganda organs which compose the main stream media.
I'm not saying never read propaganda, but I am definitely suggesting that it's good to have our anntenae up about conspiracy narratives with a propagandistic agenda. From whatever direction(s) they may be coming...
The entire article from which the following is excerpted deserves serious and sustained attention:
Pro-Russian network behind the anti-Ukrainian defamation campaign
The Canada-based Centre for Research on Globalization is also interesting. It was founded and is now headed by Michel Chossudovsky; among the Centre's contributors are Neil Clark, Mahdi D. Nazemroaya and William Engdahl. Chossudovsky, Nazemroaya and Engdahl are members of the scientific committee of the Italian journal Geopolitica, which also includes John Laughland and Natalya Narochnitskaya. Geopolitica is edited by Tiberio Graziani, a fervent advocate of the Eurasian cooperation and a member of the High Council of the International Eurasian Movement led by Russian fascist Aleksandr Dugin. In 2008, Dugin called for the Russian occupation of Georgia, and even made a trip to South Ossetia together with his followers from the Eurasian Youth Union.
Aleksandr Dugin and his followers in South Ossetia in 2008
Geopolitica itself is an off-shoot from the Italian extreme right journal Eurasia, Rivista di Studi Geopolitici, published and edited by Italian Nazi-Maoist Claudio Mutti. The scientific board of Eurasia includes Aleksandr Dugin and William Engdahl. In the early January, Engdahl published a piece titled "The Belgrade US-Financed Training Group Behind the Carefully-Orchestrated Kiev Protests".
Dugin has been promoting the idea of the destruction of Ukraine and its colonisation by Russia since the early 1990s. He has also been an inspiration for the foundation of the Italian national-socialist organisation Stato & Potenza which openly calls for the annexation of Ukraine to the Russian Federation. Dugin and Mutti have been friends since 1990; Mutti himself is closely associated with Stato & Potenza.
Aleksandr Dugin and Claudio Mutti in 2012
All the above-mentioned people and groups form - apparently a small - part of the wide network which is aimed at promoting anti-Western, pro-Russian and pro-Eurasianist ideas in the EU and the US and Canada. Moreover, the following people from this network are official regular contributors to the Kremlin-sponsored Russia Today (RT) TV:
Michel Chossudovsky (Centre for Research on Globalization, Geopolitica)
Neil Clark
William Engdahl (Centre for Research on Globalization, Geopolitica, Eurasia)
Eric Draitser (Centre for Research on Globalization, Stop Imperialism)
Daniel McAdams (ex-BHHRG, Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity)
Mahdi D. Nazemroaya (Centre for Research on Globalization, Geopolitica)
And these authors are in the pool of political commentators of yet another Kremlin-sponsored media service, the Voice of Russia:
Mark Almond (ex-BHHRG, Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity)
Michel Chossudovsky (Centre for Research on Globalization, Geopolitica)
Neil Clark
Eric Draitser (Centre for Research on Globalization, Stop Imperialism)
Aleksandr Dugin (International Eurasian Movement, Eurasia)
William Engdahl (Centre for Research on Globalization, Geopolitica, Eurasia)
Tiberio Graziani (Geopolitica)
John Laughland (ex-BHHRG, Institute of Democracy and Cooperation, Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity)
Daniel McAdams (ex-BHHRG, Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity)
Natalya Narochnitskaya (Institute of Democracy and Cooperation)
The Voice of Russia's offshoot in France is ProRussia TV which is linked to the French far right National Front and headed by Gilles Arnaud, a former National Front councilor in the Upper Normandy. The National Front's leader Marine Le Pen has received a warm welcome in Russia last summer. Then, in particular, she met Vice-Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, who helped found the Institute of Democracy and Cooperation when he was Russia's ambassador to NATO (2008-2011). It was during Rogozin's service in the Russian Mission to NATO when Ukraine and Georgia were denied membership in this organisation.
Marine Le Pen and Dmitry Rogozin in Moscow, 2013
Commenting on the Ukrainian government's decision not to sign the Association Agreement with the EU, Le Pen said that she was disappointed with the EU interference in the Ukrainian matters and recommended to the Ukrainians not "to join this nightmare", i.e. the EU (although nobody actually discussed Ukraine joining the EU). In this rhetoric, Le Pen was supported by Andreas Mölzer from the far right Freedom Party of Austria, who also suggested - when speaking about Ukraine's rapprochement with the EU - "to take into account the legitimate interests of Russia [which] is very sensitive to everything that happens in her immediate neighborhood [that] includes Ukraine, which, since the time of Peter the Great, was part of the Russian sphere of influence".
The large network consisting of pro-Russian authors and institutions is a hard/extreme right breeding-ground of all kinds of conspiracy theories, Euroscepticism, racism and anti-democratic theories.
http://anton-shekhovtsov.blogspot.com/2 ... -anti.html
Thus, a fight against fascism in Ukraine should always be synonymous with the fight against the attempts to colonise the country. Those who separate these two issues or crack down on the Ukrainian far right without recognising the urgent need for national independence will never be successful in their attempts to neutralise the far right. Moreover, they can make the situation worse.
While the Ukrainian far right has indeed endorsed and used violence against Viktor Yanukovych's corrupt authoritarian regime and the brutal police who abuse and torture protesters, they are not the only violent force of Euromaidan. They are joined by many Ukrainian left-wingers and democrats who have become radicalised as a result of the lack of progress of non-violent resistance to the country's slipping into an outright dicatorship.
semper occultus » Fri Aug 15, 2014 7:46 am wrote:...I presume Engdahls's links to LaRouche Executive Intelligence Review are well known here...
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