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How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States

As families face back-to-school medical requirements this month, the country feels the impact of a vaccine resistance movement decades in the making.

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Anti-vaccine demonstrators outside the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta in June.
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By Jan Hoffman

Published Sept. 23, 2019
Updated Sept. 24, 2019, 1:58 a.m. ET

The question is often whispered, the questioners sheepish. But increasingly, parents at the Central Park playground where Dr. Elizabeth A. Comen takes her young children have been asking her: “Do you vaccinate your kids?”

Dr. Comen, an oncologist who has treated patients for cancers related to the human papillomavirus that a vaccine can now prevent, replies emphatically: Absolutely.

She never imagined she would be getting such queries. Yet these playground exchanges are reflective of the national conversation at the end of the second decade of the 21st century — a time of stunning scientific and medical advances but also a time when the United States may, next month, lose its World Health Organization designation as a country that has eliminated measles, because of outbreaks this year. The W.H.O. has listed vaccine hesitancy as one of the top threats to global health.

As millions of families face back-to-school medical requirements and forms this month, the contentiousness surrounding vaccines is heating up again, with possibly even more fervor.
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Though the situation may seem improbable to some, anti-vaccine sentiment has been building for decades, a byproduct of an internet humming with rumor and misinformation; the backlash against Big Pharma; an infatuation with celebrities that gives special credence to the anti-immunization statements from actors like Jenny McCarthy, Jim Carrey and Alicia Silverstone, the rapper Kevin Gates and Robert F. Kennedy Jr. And now, the Trump administration’s anti-science rhetoric.

“Science has become just another voice in the room,” said Dr. Paul A. Offit, an infectious disease expert at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia. “It has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth.”

The constituents who make up the so-called vaccine resistant come from disparate groups, and include anti-government libertarians, apostles of the all-natural and parents who believe that doctors should not dictate medical decisions about children. Labeling resisters with one dismissive stereotype would be wrongheaded.

“To just say that these parents are ignorant or selfish is an easy trope,” said Jennifer Reich, a sociologist at the University of Colorado Denver, who studies vaccine-resistant families.

It remains true that the overwhelming majority of American parents have their children vaccinated. Parent-driven groups like Voices for Vaccines, formed to counter anti-vaccination sentiment, have proliferated. Five states have eliminated exemptions for religious and philosophical reasons, permitting only medical opt-outs.
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But there are ominous trends. For highly contagious diseases like measles, the vaccine rate to achieve herd immunity — the term that describes the optimum rate for protecting an entire population — is typically thought to be 95 percent. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that the vaccination rate for the measles, mumps and rubella (M.M.R.) injection in kindergartners in the 2017-2018 school year had slipped nationally to 94.3 percent, the third year in a row it dropped.

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A baby in Seattle receiving a vaccine for measles, mumps and rubella earlier this year.
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Seven states reported rates for the M.M.R. vaccine that were far lower for kindergartners, including Kansas at 89.1 percent; New Hampshire, 92.4 percent; the District of Columbia, 81.3 percent. (The highest is West Virginia at 98.4 percent.)

Almost all states have at least one anti-vaccine group. At least four have registered political action committees, supporting candidates who favor less restrictive vaccine exemption policies.

Public health experts say that patients and many doctors may not appreciate the severity of diseases that immunizations have thwarted, like polio, which can affect the spinal cord and brain — because they probably have not seen cases.

“Vaccines are a victim of their own success,” said Dr. Offit, a co-inventor of a vaccine for rotavirus, which can cause severe diarrhea in young children. “We have largely eliminated the memory of many diseases.”

The growth of vaccine doubt in America coincides with several competing forces and attitudes.

Since the early 2000s, as the number of required childhood vaccines was increasing, a generation of parents was becoming hypervigilant about their children and, through social media, patting each other on the backs for doing so. In their view, parents who permitted vaccination were gullible toadies of status quo medicine.

In 2011, Dana Fuqua, of Aurora, Colo., pregnant with her first child, felt that irresistible pull of groupthink parenting.

She had just moved to the area, so she reached out to mothers’ groups on Facebook. Colorado, with a kindergarten vaccination compliance rate of 88.7 percent, has a rambunctious vaccine-resistant movement. Ms. Fuqua’s new friends urged her to have a drug-free birth, use cloth diapers and never to let a drop of formula pass her baby’s lips. Vaccines, it followed, were anathema.

The women intimidated her. They had advanced degrees; she had only a bachelor of science and a nursing background.

“I didn’t argue with them,” Ms. Fuqua said. “I was so desperate for their support that I compromised by delaying the vaccine schedule, so I wouldn’t get kicked out of the group.”

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Dana Fuqua with her two children, Ian, 7, left, and Aria, 5, in Aurora, Colo.
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But when her second child was born prematurely, susceptible to illness, the group’s approval was not as important as her baby’s safety. Her position, she said, shifted from, “‘I can’t hang out with you if you had a vaccine because you could be shedding a virus’” — a common, false belief among the vaccine resistant — to, “ ‘If you haven’t had a vaccine, I will not associate with you.’”

She had both children fully vaccinated.

There have been anti-vaccination movements at least since 1796, when Edward Jenner invented the smallpox vaccine. But many experts say that the current one can be traced to 1982, when NBC aired a documentary, “DPT: Vaccine Roulette,” that took up a controversy percolating in England: a purported tie between the vaccine for pertussis — a potentially fatal disease that can cause lung problems — and seizures in young children.

Doctors sharply criticized the show as dangerously inaccurate. But fear spread. Anti-vaccination groups formed. Many companies stopped making vaccines, which were considered loss-leaders and not worth the corporate headache.

Then, in 1998, Andrew Wakefield, a British gastroenterologist, published a Lancet study (since discredited and withdrawn), associating the M.M.R. vaccine with autism.

Faced with risking autism or measles, some parents thought the answer was obvious. Most had never seen measles, mumps or rubella because vaccines had nearly eliminated them. But they believed they knew autism.

And most people are notoriously poor at assessing risk, say experts in medical decision-making.

Many stumble on omission bias: “We would rather not do something and have something bad happen, than do something and have something bad happen,” explained Alison M. Buttenheim, an associate professor of nursing and health policy at the University of Pennsylvania School of Nursing.

People are flummoxed by numerical risk. “We pay more attention to numerators, such as ‘16 adverse events,’ than we do to denominators, such as ‘per million vaccine doses,’ ” Dr. Buttenheim said.

A concept called “ambiguity aversion” is also involved, she added. “Parents would like to be told that vaccines are 100 percent safe,” she said. “But that’s not a standard we hold any medical treatment to.”

Relatively few people are absolutists about refusing all vaccines. “But if you’re uncertain about a decision, you’ll find those who confirm your bias and cement what you think,” said Rupali J. Limaye, a social scientist who studies vaccine behaviors at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.

Nowhere is that reinforcement more clamorous than on social media, Dr. Limaye added. “You may only see your pediatrician a few times a year but you can spend all day on the internet,” she said.

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Robert F. Kennedy Jr. spoke at an anti-vaccine rally in Albany in May.
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Edward Jenner, who developed the world’s first vaccine — against smallpox — inoculating a child in 1796.
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Andrew Wakefield’s discredited 1998 paper, which purported to link vaccines to autism, was retracted in 2010.
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People tend to believe an individual’s anecdotal narrative over abstract numbers. By 2007, when Ms. McCarthy, the actress, insisted that vaccines caused her son’s autism, thousands found her to be more persuasive than data showing otherwise. A nascent movement took hold.

At the same time that these powerful attacks on vaccine confidence were underway, a constellation of trends was emerging.

The definition of a good parent was becoming fraught with the responsibility for overseeing every aspect of a child’s life.

“As we adopted a culture of individualistic parenting, public health became a hard sell,” Dr. Reich said.

The primary reason for healthy people to get the flu shot is to protect those with compromised immune systems, like infants and older adults, from getting sick. But altruism isn’t a great motivator for parents, Dr. Buttenheim said. “They are much more concerned about protecting their own child at all costs,” she said.

Contrast that attitude with the collective good will of the 1950s, say medical sociologists, when American parents who had seen President Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s wheelchair as a debilitating symbol of polio patriotically sought to vaccinate their children to help eradicate the disease worldwide.

By 2014, studies showed that parental confidence in authorities like the C.D.C. and in pediatricians was dropping, especially around vaccines. Mistrust of Big Pharma was even more pronounced.

By then, Donald Trump was offering support on Twitter for the discredited link between autism and vaccination. As president-elect, he met with leaders of the anti-vaccination movement, although as measles cases surged, he endorsed vaccination.

As parenting became rife with orthodoxy, the Marcus Welby model of the paternalistic doctor retreated. Patients asserted autonomy, brandishing internet printouts at doctors. Shared decision-making became the model of doctor-patient engagement.

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Emma Wagner, of Chattanooga, Tenn., in her daughter Sophie’s room.
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Pediatricians offered to stagger vaccine schedules. Some were even flexible about vaccinations altogether.

In 2011, shortly after Emma Wagner had given birth in Savannah, Ga., a pediatrician on the ward examined the baby. “He asked me if I was interested in the hepatitis B vaccine,” she said of an inoculation typically done at birth.

She was apprehensive.

He replied, “‘That’s fine, because your 2-day-old daughter isn’t a prostitute and isn’t using I.V. drugs, so hep B isn’t at the top of my worries.’”

Ms. Wagner said she “swallowed the anti-vax Kool-Aid. I was motivated by fear. I thought, ‘Until I know for certain that these are safe, I won’t do it.’ The pediatrician said, ‘I will support your decision and in a few years we’ll talk about exemptions for school.’”

She has since become a staunch supporter of immunization.

Libertarianism also courses through vaccine hesitation, with parents who assert that government should not be able to tell them what to put in their bodies — a position often marketed as “the right to choose.”

“Having the government order them to do something reinforces conspiracy theories,” said Daniel Salmon, director of the Institute for Vaccine Safety at Johns Hopkins. “And people perceive their risk to be higher when it’s not voluntary.”

In reality, he said, one’s risk of harm is greater while driving to an airport than it is being on the airplane itself. But driving is voluntary and gives the illusion of control. People fear flying because they cannot control the plane. By extension, many childhood vaccines are not voluntary, which rattles those who prefer to believe they can control their health.

With so many different but deeply held convictions, public health experts struggle to design vaccine-positive campaigns.

In 2017, researchers applied the six values of “the moral foundations theory” to vaccine attitudes, surveying 1,007 American parents.

The results were intriguing. Those most resistant to vaccines scored highest in two values: purity (“my body is a temple”) and liberty (“I want to make my child’s health care decisions”).

A third, said Saad B. Omer, director of Yale’s Global Health Institute and an author of the study, was also telling: deference to authority — a score indicating whether one was likely to adhere to the advice of experts like a pediatrician or the C.D.C.

Dr. Salmon’s team at Johns Hopkins is working on an app to capture parents’ vaccine attitudes and to tailor information to persuade them to vaccinate their children.

Pediatricians are front-line persuaders, he said, and they should be compensated for the time it takes to educate parents.

Most experts note that physicians themselves, never mind parents, have no idea about the federal vaccine monitoring systems, which have been in place for more than 20 years.

“We ask parents in the first two years of their child’s life to protect them against 14 diseases, that most people don’t see, using fluids they don’t understand,” Dr. Offit said. “It’s time for us to stand back and explain ourselves better.”

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A woman picks up information about vaccines outside a C.D.C. advisory committee meeting on immunization practices in June.
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Re: Vaccine - Autism link

Postby DrEvil » Thu Dec 05, 2019 4:48 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... -estimates

142,000 died from measles last year, WHO estimates

Number of cases reported so far this year is three times higher than at same stage in 2018

Sarah Boseley Thu 5 Dec 2019 18.00 GMT Last modified on Thu 5 Dec 2019 18.18 GMT

The worldwide surge in deadly measles outbreaks is showing no sign of abating, with nearly 10 million cases and 142,000 deaths last year, according to new estimates, and three times more cases reported so far this year than at the same stage in 2018.

Most of those dying are small children, and thousands more suffer harm including pneumonia and brain damage. New scientific evidence shows survivors are at greater risk soon afterwards because their immune system is impaired.

Anti-vax misinformation spread through social media is contributing to a rise in cases in affluent countries such as the UK and US, while problems in health services play a big part elsewhere. In the Democratic Republic of the Congo, where not enough children have been immunised because of conflict and low-quality health services, more than 4,500 people have died from measles this year – more than the death toll from Ebola.

Samoa is in the grip of an island-wide outbreak that has killed 60 people after parents lost confidence in vaccination following the deaths of two children from a wrongly mixed vaccine last year. Anti-vax activists appear to have stoked the doubt; Robert F Kennedy Jr, a prominent anti-vaxxer, visited the island in June.

The estimates are from annual modelling carried out by the World Health Organization (WHO) and the US Centers for Disease Control. They are vastly higher than the numbers of cases that countries report. Vaccination rates have stagnated for almost a decade. The WHO says 95% coverage is necessary to prevent outbreaks, but globally 86% of children get the first dose and fewer than 70% the second dose.

Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, the WHO’s director general, said: “The fact that any child dies from a vaccine-preventable disease like measles is frankly an outrage and a collective failure to protect the world’s most vulnerable children. To save lives, we must ensure everyone can benefit from vaccines, which means investing in immunisation and quality healthcare as a right for all.”

Prof Heidi Larson, the director of the Vaccine Confidence Project at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, said: “Despite an available, safe and effective measles vaccine, not enough people are being vaccinated to prevent this devastating loss of life. Some countries are scrambling to vaccinate in the face of serious outbreaks, far too late for many. Stressed systems due to multiple disease outbreaks, conflict, rumours and distrust contribute to the measles crisis.”

She cited Ebola in Liberia and DRC and plague in Madagascar, while she said Ukraine “has rumours and mistrust swirling alongside conflict and historic vaccine supply gaps”.

She added: “Measles, the most contagious of all vaccine-preventable diseases, is the tip of the iceberg of other vaccine-preventable disease threats and should be a wake-up call to strengthen protection against future outbreaks.”

The WHO’s immunisation director, Dr Kate O’Brien, expressed concern about the direction in which the numbers were heading. “We are clearly backsliding in terms of progress on measles. It’s not just that we are not continuing to have progress in its control and direction towards elimination, we are now going backwards. It is very sobering. The size of these outbreaks is very large.”

She said the outbreaks were having a severe impact on the provision of other healthcare in countries where provision was already stretched, she said.

The solutions involved better vaccination services and boosting public confidence, O’Brien said. “Hesitancy is high on our radar screen and on our risk register now and into the future. We’re very concerned about science deniers, we’re very concerned about misinformation and we’re very concerned about the ability of families, community leaders and even the political world to discern the difference between accurate scientific information, proven information and this misinformation.

“Anti-vaccine messages are not new. But what is new is the tools with which and the opportunity for these messages even from a small fringe group of people to disseminate very widely and to portray themselves as if they are accurate pieces of information, which they are not.”

Social media companies are beginning to help by taking down blatant misinformation and directing people to reliable sources such as Public Health England, the WHO or the CDC in the US. O’Brien said healthcare workers needed to be well prepared to answer vaccine questions, and young people needed to be educated about science, illness, vaccines and credible sources.

“They will be the parents of the future and we really think that there’s a lot that could be done now to essentially immunise young people against misinformation,” she said.


But look on the bright side: that's 142000 people saved from autism! :yay
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Postby coffin_dodger » Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:00 pm

But look on the bright side: that's 142000 people saved from autism! :yay


Do you have children, Dr Evil?

In fact, I know you don't, because if you did, you'd be more considerate to the anguish of parents that have seen their children altered by vaccination.

I have seen it with my own eyes. I can barely bring myself to talk about it, it makes me cry when I have to consider it, that I allowed my daughter to become the anxiety-ridden, confused human being that she was not supposed to be, through my complicit and uneducated willingness to follow the herd and have the MMR vaccination given to her, that changed her forever.
I allowed it. I trusted the system. And I have to live with that.
And yes. I know you didn't administer the injection, but you constantly, unremmitingly faciliate the nightmare because it doesn't affect you and everyone else is stupid that doesn't agree with you and you know best.

There's a special place, after the transition from this life to the next, for a mind like yours. You'll rather like it there, it's a place for minds that all get along just fine and dandy, spreading conclusions they have no personal experience of, just as long as it makes them feel powerful and special, that their words may influence other unsuspecting and naive minds, like it's the other minds' fault they're stupid and weak, not like you, strong and powerful and in control of the situation, the lords, the masters.

You'll be in your element, there. Just like here.
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Re: Vaccine - Autism link

Postby identity » Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:33 pm

Very sorry to hear of the tragedy unleashed into your life by the MMR vaccine, c_d. :(

I'm sure, though, that while the evil doctor will offer his sympathies, he will also be eager to introduce a positive note by reminding you that great benefits to humanity come with unavoidable minor costs, and that your daughter's life-altering reaction to the vaccine is a small price indeed to pay for full protection of the human herd. You should rejoice, I can hear him saying, that – although possibly to some degree debilitated by the vaccine ("and, btw, can you prove that it was the vaccine that injured her? Correlation does not equal causation!") – your daughter is nevertheless alive, as are millions of others who have received the vaccine and have suffered no ill effects (and have, in fact, been spared an untimely death from measles, etc.).

Will the evil doctor be so bold as to assert that if the situation depresses you, perhaps what you really need are some anti-depressants for your biochemical imbalance?
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Re: Vaccine - Autism link

Postby identity » Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:18 pm

Of possible interest to some readers here:

Human Medical Experimentation from Smallpox Vaccines to Secret Government Programs
Frances R. Frankenburg, (ed.), 2017

Thanks to medical experiments performed on human subjects, we now have vaccines against smallpox, rabies, and polio. Yet the advances that saved lives too often involved the exploitation of vulnerable populations. Covering the history of human medical experimentation from the time of Hippocrates to today, this work will introduce readers to the topic through a mixture of essays and ready-reference materials. The book covers the experiments themselves; the people, companies, and government agencies that carried them out; the relevant medical and sociopolitical background; and the legislation and other protective measures that arose as a result.

The encyclopedia is divided chronologically into six periods: pre-19th century, the 19th century, the pre-World War II 20th century, the World War II era, the Cold War era, and the post-Cold War period to today. Each period begins with an introductory essay and ends with a bibliography. Alphabetically arranged entries in each section cover pertinent people, experiments, and topics. The volume is enriched throughout with a wealth of primary sources, such as physicians' descriptions of their experiments. Medical experiments are not just a thing of the past, and readers will also learn about questions and debates related to contemporary efforts to advance medical science.


And also:

Jabbed: How the Vaccine Industry, Medical Establishment, and Government Stick It to You and Your Family
(Brett Wilcox, 2018)

Jabbed demonstrates that the medical procedure hailed as the greatest medical advancement in history—vaccines—is a racket run by criminals and gullible believers who have replaced vaccine science with the religion of vaccinology. Vaccine marketers teach believers to fear, shame, and scapegoat anyone foolish enough to question the sanctity of vaccines. Such an environment is not the domain of science; rather it's the breeding ground of tyranny.

Jabbed exposes this tyranny. From polio and smallpox to medical journals, medical curricula, congressional hearings, regulatory policies, White House statements, and executive orders, Jabbed shines light on the dark underbelly of Big Pharma, Big Medicine, and Big Government.

A vaccine informed public is the only thing that will have the power to stop vaccine industry sociopaths and to hold them accountable for their crimes.

Jabbed informs and immunizes against three of the most dangerous epidemics in history: tyranny, greed, and corruption. Once immunized, the growing vaccine-informed community will have the power to stand up and dismantle the vaccine paradigm and program and to punish the perpetrators of what may well be the greatest medical fraud ever perpetrated on the human race: vaccines.


Some reader reviews:

Jabbed is one of the essential books on understanding the religion of Vaccinology. It is built on "The Wilcox Conjecture":
Irrational fear of Infectious disease + Irrational belief that vaccines safely prevent Infectious disease = Vaccine compliance.

Wilcox has convincingly presented and summarised the relevent literature for a person to make informed decisions on choosing to or not to vaccinate.

Unfortunately, I had not read his text before choosing to vaccinate our youngest. She suffered a catastrophic reaction after recieving the Pentacel, a 5 in one vaccine containing DTaP. Her reactions are among the numerous listed in Chapter 2; Vaccines are Safe and Effective and Other Lies. Pages 26-28:
The US National Library of Medicine catalogues adverse reactions to hundreds of diseases and disorders including: Acute Flacid Paralysis;...ADD;...; Systemic Seizures;...; Vaccine-Related Retroviruses.

Wilcox has especially written this text for his children in order to help them not make the same mistakes our generation has made. I post this review with the same hope.


This is my favorite quote from a member of the Pharma Aristocracy: "Forgive this personal comment, but I got called out at eight o'clock for an emergency call and my daughter-in-law delivered a son by C-section. Our first male heir in the line of the next generation, and I do not want that grandson to get a thimerosal containing containing vaccine until we know better what is going on. It will probably take a long time. In the meantime, and I know there are probably implications for this internationally, but in the meanwhile I think I want that grandson to only be given thimerosal-free vaccines." Dr. Dick Johnston, the meeting chairperson and Immunologist and Pediatrician for the University of Colorado School of Medicine and National Jewish Center for Immunology and Respiratory Medicine. King Dick made this announcement about the royal prince at the CDC Simpsonwood Conference. You can find this gem on page 154. King Dick has no problem with the monkey pus, mouse brain, toxic metals being jabbed into the peasant babies, but the royal family will not participate. I love the poke in the eye writing style. Tremendous research! Thanks, Mr. Wilcox!


Jabbed is a comprehensive and gripping exposé of the shocking malfeasence, rampant corruption, and outright fraud perpetrated by the out-of control vaccine industry. Combining history, science, and sociology, the author paints a horrific yet inspiring picture of the current conflict between the ever-expanding vaccine schedule and an increasingly vaccine-informed public. Concerned parents and advocates for healthcare freedom are lucky to have a writer of this caliber on our side. Given the current push to advance mandatory vaccination and silence informed dissent, I encourage everyone to buy this book while you still can!


Jabbed is the new, definitive, must have book for those wishing to educate themselves about vaccines and the controversy surrounding them. It offers a comprehensive analysis using science, history, philosophy, religion, and politics for an in-depth, but never dull examination of this contentious topic. With 40 pages of end-notes it is extremely well documented.


As a general practice physician in clinical practice for the last 30 years I will add my hearty agreement to Mr. Wilcox's conclusions. This is a timely book that desperately needed to be written and I am extremely grateful for Mr. Wilcox's ability to put into words so many repressed and concealed truths. It will occupy a prominent place in my office. One word of caution- this book may awaken you to a reality very different from that which you currently hold. May the Truth set you free.


Brett Wilcox's book is the best book I have read on the truth about vaccines. He challenges the vaccine manufacturers, the government agencies, and the entire pharmaceutical industry. This should be required reading for every parent, every health professional, and everyone involved in coercive government, and the vaccine industry. Jabbed is essential reading for anyone who has ever loved a child.



Not to mention:

Vaccines, Autoimmunity, and the Changing Nature of Childhood Illness
One Doctor’s Surprising Answer to the Epidemic of Autoimmunity and Chronic Disease
(Thomas Cowan, 2018)

Over the past fifty years, rates of autoimmunity and chronic disease have exploded: currently 1 in 2.5 American children has an allergy, 1 in 11 has asthma, 1 in 13 has severe food allergies, and 1 in 36 has autism. While some attribute this rise to increased awareness and diagnosis, Thomas Cowan, MD, argues for a direct causal relationship to a corresponding increase in the number of vaccines American children typically receive―approximately 70 vaccine doses by age eighteen. The goal of these vaccines is precisely what we’re now seeing in such abundance among our chronically ill children: the provocation of immune response.

Dr. Cowan looks at emerging evidence that certain childhood illnesses are actually protective of disease later in life; examines the role of fever, the gut, and cellular fluid in immune health; argues that vaccination is an ineffective (and harmful) attempt to shortcut a complex immune response; and asserts that the medical establishment has engaged in an authoritarian argument that robs parents of informed consent. His ultimate question, from the point of view of a doctor who has decades of experience treating countless children is: What are we really doing to children when we vaccinate them?
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Re: Vaccine - Autism link

Postby Sounder » Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:50 am

Given the reach, interconnections and money of big-pharma it is not at all unexpected to find boosters for their products at RI. Many details at link.

https://thesaker.is/the-oligarch-takeov ... an-crisis/

.....In a unique study covering the entire US healthcare sector, Awara Accounting https://www.awaragroup.com/ has dug into the problems of the US pharma and healthcare industries, and the findings are shocking. The Awara study shows https://www.awaragroup.com/blog/us-heal ... in-crisis/ that in addition to the original sin of corporate greed, the exorbitant costs of the US healthcare system stem from layers upon layers of distortions with which the system is infested. Each part of the healthcare industry contributes to what is a giant monopoly scam: the pharmaceutical companies, medical equipment manufacturers, drug wholesalers, drug stores, group purchasing organizations, health insurance companies, doctors, clinics and hospitals, and even what should be impartial university research. And on top of that, there’s the government as a giant enabler of monopolized corporations running roughshod over the American consumer and patient.

But it is worse than that. All the monopolists (in official parlance, oligopolies) are in turn owned by the same set of investors in what is called horizontal shareholding. The same some 15-20. investors have the controlling stake in all the leading companies of the entire pharma and healthcare industry.

That’s not all. Two of the investors, BlackRock and Vanguard, are the biggest owners in almost every single one of the leading companies.

Furthermore, BlackRock is owned by Vanguard, BlackRock’s biggest owner being a mystical PNC Services, whose biggest owner in turn is Vanguard. Vanguard itself is recorded directly as BlackRock’s second biggest owner. Moreover, BlackRock and Vanguard are the two biggest owners of almost all the other 15-20 biggest investors, which most are cross-owned and together own the entire US pharma and healthcare sector. Ultimately, then we might have the situation that the whole healthcare sector and Big Pharma are controlled by one giant oligarch clan (and the very real people who stand behind them), one single interest group of oligarch investors.

Besides, it’s the same for the entire US economy. Those two investors control almost all major US companies.

Incredible? Read on, the evidence with charts and details is below in the text.

Now, this means that we are not exaggerating when we talk about an oligarch takeover of the US pharma and healthcare industries. It’s real. And very real people suffer for real......


This oligarchy banks on our illness, and we are supposed to trust these drug pushers for health care?

Society is flipping mad.
All these things will continue as long as coercion remains a central element of our mentality.
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Re: Vaccine - Autism link

Postby Elvis » Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:13 am

That's the thing for me: I think immunization is generally a sound idea; in practical terms it's difficult to trust the big for-profit drug firms (and their paid-for lawmakers) to always do the best thing. So some claims of problems with vaccines may well be more than incidental, low-risk side effects. I don't think it's as clear-cut as, say, climate science; isn't vaccine science much more privatized?
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Re: Vaccine - Autism link

Postby DrEvil » Fri Dec 06, 2019 10:12 am

I love how every time I bring up how many people actually die every fucking year from measles the usual suspects come crawling out of the woodwork to completely ignore it and waffle on about something else. Does this not compute for you people? Thousands and thousands of dead children, year after year, from a disease we could have eradicated by now like we did with smallpox. But nooo, let's talk about oligarchs and greed instead and maybe it will all go away!

You should all take a trip to Samoa and explain to the grieving parents how not vaccinating their children was actually a good thing and that they should be thankful.

@coffin_dodger: how do you know it was the vaccine?

@identity: you do know that measles wrecks your immune system, right?

Edit: @identity: you may also want to look up "sampling bias".
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Re: Vaccine - Autism link

Postby DrEvil » Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:22 pm

identity » Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:33 am wrote:Very sorry to hear of the tragedy unleashed into your life by the MMR vaccine, c_d. :(

I'm sure, though, that while the evil doctor will offer his sympathies, he will also be eager to introduce a positive note by reminding you that great benefits to humanity come with unavoidable minor costs, and that your daughter's life-altering reaction to the vaccine is a small price indeed to pay for full protection of the human herd. You should rejoice, I can hear him saying, that – although possibly to some degree debilitated by the vaccine ("and, btw, can you prove that it was the vaccine that injured her? Correlation does not equal causation!") – your daughter is nevertheless alive, as are millions of others who have received the vaccine and have suffered no ill effects (and have, in fact, been spared an untimely death from measles, etc.).

Will the evil doctor be so bold as to assert that if the situation depresses you, perhaps what you really need are some anti-depressants for your biochemical imbalance?


You say "correlation does not equal causation" as if it's a bad thing. If I stub my toe right after getting a vaccine then the vaccine didn't cause my toe to hurt. And yes, I did ask him if he can prove it, or at least have something more than "it happened after the vaccine so it must be the vaccine", because a lot of people don't get that correlation does not equal causation, and it's really easy to blame something else even if it was just a random fluke.

And as you say: his daughter is still alive, unlike the 63 (and counting) people who have recently died in Samoa, or the 142000 people who died from measles only last year. Funny how you never address those numbers when I bring them up. It's almost as if you don't want to hear it because it contradicts your narrative that it's all just one giant criminal conspiracy. Do you think those numbers are false, or is it just that you don't care?
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Re: Vaccine - Autism link

Postby thrulookingglass » Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:50 pm

Is there so much panic internationally about vaccination? Seriously. I live here in the US too and I've never seen news from Canada, Sweden, Norway, UK, Australia or anywhere besides Amorica regarding possible contamination or even willful adulterations of vaccines. Is there global growth in autism or just here in the Divided States of America? Shows you how corrupt our healthcare system is. What will it take for us to deliver upon each other the Hippocratic Oath...you know...first, do no harm.
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Re: Vaccine - Autism link

Postby DrEvil » Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:20 pm

^^The US has pretty decent vaccination rates overall (almost as good as all the immigrants from South and Central America), but the anti-vaxxers keep targeting various smaller, isolated communities (religious in New York, Somali in Minnesota etc.), so there are small pockets dotted around the map where diseases can gain a foothold and start spreading, and that's exactly why people keep harping on about herd immunity, because as soon as enough people are vaccinated the diseases can't get a foothold to begin with. That's how we eradicated smallpox, and that's what would have happened to measles too if fucking Wakefield hadn't shown up with his fraudulent horseshit.

Samoa had a vaccination rate of over 90% not many years ago, and then for various reasons, one of them being anti-vaxxers, another being two nurses fucking up and accidentally mixing the vaccine with expired muscle relaxant and killing two kids (which of course the anti-vaxxers immediately jumped on as proof that vaccines are dangerous), the vaccination rate dropped to around 30-35%, and voila! instant measles epidemic. Now the entire country is on lockdown and children are dying left and right.

As for autism, after Wakefield there was a ton of studies, and all of them concluded that vaccines don't cause autism, but because so many people were freaking out they decided to remove thimerosal from the vaccines anyway because it was easier than dealing with the hysterical people, and autism rates didn't change.

Internationally the worst areas are war zones, places with poor healthcare and education and places targeted by anti-vaxxers and the occasional Russian psyop. Ukraine for instance has it bad.

The ebola outbreak is having serious issues with people attacking healthcare workers (not to mention the even worse measles outbreak in the same area), and people in Pakistan have serious trust issues after the CIA used vaccination drives as cover for finding Bin Laden.

It's true that you probably won't die from measles in the US (about 1 in 1000 if I remember correctly), but you can end up with impaired hearing, brain damage (and ironically enough autism, if the "brain inflammation can trigger autism" theory that agentorangecooper was pushing upthread is correct) and a wrecked immune system. Then there's all the people with children too young to get the vaccine and cancer patients and others with compromised immune systems who depend on everyone else being decent people and vaccinating to survive.
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Re: Vaccine - Autism link

Postby Agent Orange Cooper » Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:19 pm

https://healthimpactnews.com/2019/almos ... t-in-2019/

A quarter of a billion dollars of taxpayer money has been shelled out to victims of vaccine injury. Why are vaccine manufacturers NOT liable for their product? Why are they special?
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Re: Vaccine - Autism link

Postby Harvey » Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:09 pm

DrEvil » Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:20 pm wrote:^^The US has pretty decent vaccination rates overall (almost as good as all the immigrants from South and Central America), but the anti-vaxxers keep targeting various smaller, isolated communities (religious in New York, Somali in Minnesota etc.), so there are small pockets dotted around the map where diseases can gain a foothold and start spreading, and that's exactly why people keep harping on about herd immunity, because as soon as enough people are vaccinated the diseases can't get a foothold to begin with. That's how we eradicated smallpox, and that's what would have happened to measles too if fucking Wakefield hadn't shown up with his fraudulent horseshit.

Samoa had a vaccination rate of over 90% not many years ago, and then for various reasons, one of them being anti-vaxxers, another being two nurses fucking up and accidentally mixing the vaccine with expired muscle relaxant and killing two kids (which of course the anti-vaxxers immediately jumped on as proof that vaccines are dangerous), the vaccination rate dropped to around 30-35%, and voila! instant measles epidemic. Now the entire country is on lockdown and children are dying left and right.

As for autism, after Wakefield there was a ton of studies, and all of them concluded that vaccines don't cause autism, but because so many people were freaking out they decided to remove thimerosal from the vaccines anyway because it was easier than dealing with the hysterical people, and autism rates didn't change.

Internationally the worst areas are war zones, places with poor healthcare and education and places targeted by anti-vaxxers and the occasional Russian psyop. Ukraine for instance has it bad.

The ebola outbreak is having serious issues with people attacking healthcare workers (not to mention the even worse measles outbreak in the same area), and people in Pakistan have serious trust issues after the CIA used vaccination drives as cover for finding Bin Laden.

It's true that you probably won't die from measles in the US (about 1 in 1000 if I remember correctly), but you can end up with impaired hearing, brain damage (and ironically enough autism, if the "brain inflammation can trigger autism" theory that agentorangecooper was pushing upthread is correct) and a wrecked immune system. Then there's all the people with children too young to get the vaccine and cancer patients and others with compromised immune systems who depend on everyone else being decent people and vaccinating to survive.


...ironically enough autism...


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Re: Vaccine - Autism link

Postby Sounder » Sat Dec 07, 2019 6:41 am

Do individuals or do individuals not have a right to decide what chemicals are injected into their bodies? Seriously. Do you believe in the principle of individual informed consent or do you believe in the forced coercion of corporate consensus?


Thanks stickdog, that is a good question (from Sept. 14) for Dr. Evil. I wonder if he might have an answer?
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Re: Vaccine - Autism link

Postby DrEvil » Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:05 am

Sounder » Sat Dec 07, 2019 12:41 pm wrote:
Do individuals or do individuals not have a right to decide what chemicals are injected into their bodies? Seriously. Do you believe in the principle of individual informed consent or do you believe in the forced coercion of corporate consensus?


Thanks stickdog, that is a good question (from Sept. 14) for Dr. Evil. I wonder if he might have an answer?


Do you believe in the individual's right to spread contagious diseases to others? Because that's what you're arguing for.

As long as vaccination rates are above the threshold for effective herd immunity they shouldn't. I prefer carrots over sticks, so my preferred method would be:

1) mandatory vaccines to attend school
2) no child tax credits without vaccines
3) free vaccines for everyone

Those are usually enough that the freeloaders like yourself don't fuck it up for everyone else.

Oh, and it's not corporate consensus, it's scientific consensus.
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