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Re: Moscow conference draws fascists, neo-Confederates, left

Postby American Dream » Fri Apr 03, 2015 10:29 am

Elvis » Fri Apr 03, 2015 9:24 am wrote:AD, thanks for your reply. I assume you're a USican, and in this and related threads I'm left with the impression that you've cast your lot with the neocons like Nuland. I don't 'get' the one-sided finger-wagging, and I don't think anyone really feels especially warm and fuzzy about Putin, or is not aware that fascists are utilized by both sides when it's convenient for them.

It appears to me that the US started this conflict in Ukraine with its undercover shenanigans. And then they use any push-back as an excuse to meddle even further, even trying to goad people into war. That would ultimately cost Americans, and everyone else, a great deal and the only real "winner" would be the MIIC. The best efforts, in my opinion, need to be directed against them.



There is so much talk about going beyond binaries here when it supports giving far right forces what is essentially a free pass- and so little when it comes to actually thinking critically about destructive far right agenda within conspiracy culture, here and now...
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Re: Moscow conference draws fascists, neo-Confederates, left

Postby Searcher08 » Fri Apr 03, 2015 11:27 am

American Dream » Fri Apr 03, 2015 2:29 pm wrote:
Elvis » Fri Apr 03, 2015 9:24 am wrote:AD, thanks for your reply. I assume you're a USican, and in this and related threads I'm left with the impression that you've cast your lot with the neocons like Nuland. I don't 'get' the one-sided finger-wagging, and I don't think anyone really feels especially warm and fuzzy about Putin, or is not aware that fascists are utilized by both sides when it's convenient for them.

It appears to me that the US started this conflict in Ukraine with its undercover shenanigans. And then they use any push-back as an excuse to meddle even further, even trying to goad people into war. That would ultimately cost Americans, and everyone else, a great deal and the only real "winner" would be the MIIC. The best efforts, in my opinion, need to be directed against them.



There is so much talk about going beyond binaries here when it supports giving far right forces what is essentially a free pass- and so little when it comes to actually thinking critically about destructive far right agenda within conspiracy culture, here and now...


Yet you don't see that what you are doing is TOTALLY BINARY "You are either with Putin or against Putin" - you are de-facto allying with and uncritically propagating the neo-lib / Soros line and thereby acting as an apologist for the frickken Azov Battalion.

For someone who says you are an anti-fascist, your support for these people shows elegantly the uselessness of binary thinking here.
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Re: Moscow conference draws fascists, neo-Confederates, left

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Apr 03, 2015 12:41 pm

WEEKEND EDITION APRIL 3-5, 2015

The Rising Swell of Anti-Russian Propaganda
NATO is Building Up for War
by BRIAN CLOUGHLEY
Voutenay sur Cure, France.

The German city of Frankfurt is continental Europe’s largest financial center and host to the country’s Stock Exchange, countless other financial institutions, and the headquarters of the European Central Bank (ECB) which is responsible for administering the monetary policy of the 18-nation Eurozone. The place is awash with money, as demonstrated by the plush new ECB office building which is costing a fortune.

The original price of the bank’s enormous palace was supposed to be 500 million euros, about 550 million dollars, but the bill has now been admitted as €1.3 billion (£930 m; $1.4 bn). This absurdly over-expensive fiasco was directed by the people who are supposed to steer the financial courses of 18 nations and their half billion unfortunate citizens. If the ECB displays similar skill sets in looking after Europe’s money as it has in controlling the cost of constructing its huge twin-tower headquarters, then Europe is in for a rocky time.

Intriguingly, the Bank isn’t alone in contributing to Europe’s bureaucratic building boom. There is another Europe-based organization of equal ambition, pomposity and incompetence which is building a majestically expensive and luxurious headquarters with a mammoth cost overrun about which it is keeping very quiet indeed.

The perpetrator of this embarrassing farce is NATO, the US-Canada-European North Atlantic Treaty Organization which is limping out of Afghanistan licking its wounds, having been fighting a bunch of sandal-wearing rag-clad amateur irregulars who gave the hi-tech forces of the West a very hard time in a war whose outcome was predictable. But the debacle hasn’t dimmed the vision of the zealous leaders of NATO who are confronting Russia in order to justify the existence of their creaking, leaking, defeated dinosaur. Their problem is not only do they lose wars, but they then look for another one to fight — to be directed from a glittery new and vastly expensive building whose cost has soared above all estimates.

Just like NATO’s wars.

NATO’s operation ‘Unified Protector’ to overthrow Libyan leader Muammar Gadhafi involved a massive aerial blitz of 9,658 airstrikes which ended with the gruesome murder of Gadhafi — and caused collapse of Libya into an omnishambles where fanatics of the barbarous Islamic State are now establishing themselves.

In spite of the horror of NATO’s Libyan catastrophe one does have to have a quiet smile about Ivo H. Daalder and James G Stavridis whose deeply researched analysis in the journal Foreign Affairs in 2012 was titled ‘NATO’s Victory in Libya.’ These sages declared that “NATO’s operation in Libya has rightly been hailed as a model intervention . . . NATO’s involvement in Libya demonstrated that the alliance remains an essential source of stability . . . NATO may not be able to replicate its success in Libya in another decade. NATO members must therefore use the Chicago summit to strengthen the alliance by ensuring that the burden sharing that worked so well in Libya — and continues in Afghanistan today — becomes the rule, not the exception.”

Not much is working well in either Libya or Afghanistan two years after the Daalder-Stavridis advocacy of “burden sharing” and it is obvious that NATO has been the opposite of a “source of stability” in both unfortunate countries.

In October 2005 I wrote that “NATO is to increase its troop numbers in Afghanistan to 15,000 and its secretary-general states that instead of acting as a peacekeeping force it will assume the combat role of U.S. troops, which is insane . . . The insurgency in Afghanistan will continue until foreign troops leave, whenever that might be. After a while, the government in Kabul will collapse and there will be anarchy until a brutal, ruthless, drug-rich warlord achieves power. He will rule the country as it has always been ruled by Afghans: by threats, religious ferocity, deceit, bribery, and outright savagery when the latter can be practiced without retribution. And the latest foreign occupation will become just another memory.”

The number of US-NATO troops in Afghanistan has been reduced from a high of 130,000 to 13,000, of which some 10,000 are U.S., but NATO’s new headquarters building in Brussels is expanding in both size and cost. The budget for the immense complex was approved at 460 million Euros (500 million US dollars) in 2010 but has now surged to over 1.25 billion Euros, about 1.4 billion dollars.

Germany’s Der Spiegel reported in January that the scandal of the cost overrun was being kept secret by all governments contributing to this redundant organization. A leaked cable from Germany’s ambassador explained that at a meeting of NATO representatives last December they “pointed to the disastrous effect on the image of the alliance if construction were to stop and if NATO appeared to be incapable of punctually completing a construction project that was decided at the NATO summit of government leaders in April 1999 in Washington. The risk of a further cost increase is already palpable.”

The solution to NATO’s self-imposed image problem was simple : the people responsible for managing the affairs of a military alliance involving 28 countries, 3.5 million combatants and 5,000 nuclear weapons decided, as asked by the staff of its Secretary General, to deal with the matter “confidentially.” In other words, the cost overruns and delays in construction are being deliberately concealed from the public in the hope that NATO’s executives will not appear incompetent.

Meantime, while trying to conceal their flaws, faults and failings in management of basic administrative affairs, NATO’s chiefs are squaring up to Russia in an attempt to persuade the world that President Putin is about to mount an invasion from the east. The focal point of NATO’s contrived alarm is the corrupt and chaotic regime in power in Ukraine, which has serious disagreements with Russia and is therefore energetically supported by the United States to the point of distortion, menace and mendacity.

As reported in the UK’s Daily Telegraph on March 4, the commander of US troops in Europe, General Frederick “Ben” Hodges, has accused Russia of having 12,000 troops inside eastern Ukraine, which was irresponsible nonsense.

Hodges was formerly the army’s Congressional Liaison Officer in Washington where he obviously acquired a taste for political grandstanding, as in a political speech of the sort that generals have no right to make he declared that “We have to raise the cost for Putin. Right now he has 85 per cent domestic support. But when mothers start seeing their sons come home dead, when the price goes up, domestic support goes down,” which was as offensive as it was hostile.

In February the Wall Street Journal reported Hodges as saying “I believe the Russians are mobilizing right now for a war that they think is going to happen in five or six years—not that they’re going to start a war in five or six years, but I think they are anticipating that things are going to happen, and that they will be in a war of some sort, of some scale, with somebody within the next five or six years.” Just what President Putin was supposed to make of that is anyone’s guess — but it is certain that Hodges’ bellicose meanderings did nothing to persuade Moscow that there would be any attempt by the US-NATO coalition to modify its policy of uncompromising enmity.

Other pronouncements by NATO leaders have been equally threatening and intended to convince the public of western Europe that Russia attacked Ukraine.

But even if Russia had indeed invaded Ukraine, it would have had nothing whatever to do with anyone else.

The US-NATO coalition willfully ignores the fact that Ukraine is not a member of either the European Union or NATO and has no treaty of any sort with any nation in the world that would require provision of political, economic or military support in the event of a bilateral dispute with any other country. Yet NATO has seized upon the Ukraine-Russia discord to justify its policy of unrelenting hostility to Moscow.

It is most important for NATO that it has an enemy to confront, because there would be no reason for its existence if an enemy did not exist. But there is no enemy intent on invading any NATO country — if only because Russia would be suicidally insane to try to attempt any such thing. Quite simply, if Russia invaded any member of NATO there would have to be instant NATO response — and that would lead to nuclear war. It’s as stark as that.

NATO should have been disbanded at the time of the collapse of the Soviet Union because that threat was the sole reason for its existence; but it decided to multiply membership and extend its military presence closer and closer to Russia’s borders. There is little wonder that Russia is apprehensive about NATO’s intentions, as the muscle-flexing coalition lurches towards conflict.

NATO’S Supreme Commander, US General Breedlove, has also contributed greatly to tension and fear in Europe by issuing dire warnings about Russia’s supposed maneuvers. On March 5 he indulged in fantasy by claiming, without a shred of evidence and no subsequent proof, that Russia had deployed “well over a thousand combat vehicles” along with “combat forces, some of their most sophisticated air defense, battalions of artillery” within Ukraine. This pronouncement was similar to his downright lie of November 18, 2014, when he told the German newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung that there were “regular Russian army units in eastern Ukraine.”

The swell of anti-Russian propaganda, confrontation and attempted intimidation by NATO has increased, and if it continues to do so it is likely that Moscow will take action, thereby upping the stakes and the danger even more. It is time that NATO’s nations came to terms with the reality that Russia is a major international power with legitimate interests in its own region. Moscow is not going to bow the knee in the face of immature threats by sabre-rattling US generals and their swaggering acolytes. It is time for NATO to forge ties rather than destroy them — and to build bridges rather than glitzy office blocks.
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They could still get him out of office.
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Re: Moscow conference draws fascists, neo-Confederates, left

Postby American Dream » Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:22 am

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 54589.html

Marine Le Pen battered by controversy as details emerge of hacked Kremlin text messages and holocaust-minimising from her father

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Ms Le Pen condemned her father’s words with a degree of ferocity that she has never employed against him before

JOHN LICHFIELD PARIS Friday 03 April 2015


Marine Le Pen has known far better weeks.

Five days after her far right party underperformed in French local elections, she received a double blow to her credibility today from hacked Kremlin text messages and a Holocaust-minimising outburst by her father.

Texts to and from a Kremlin official, hacked and leaked by a Russian opposition group, implied that Ms Le Pen’s party had been given a 9m euro loan by a Russian bank last year as a “reward” for supporting President Vladimir Putin’s annexation of the Crimea.

Earlier, the founder of the Front National Jean-Marie Le Pen repeated his declaration that the Nazi gas chambers in which millions of jews died during World War Two were merely a “detail” of history.

The comment by Le Pen senior in a radio interview is the latest in a series of incidents in which he has deliberately opposed his daughter’s attempts to rid the Front National of the odour of racism, anti-semitism and Holocaust revisionism.

Asked whether he stood by his “detail of history” jibe first made in 1987, the party’s semi-retired founder said that he had not changed his mind and the comment was merely a “statement of the facts”.

Ms Le Pen, 46, interrupted an easter holiday abroad with her own three daughters today to condemn her father’s words with a a degree of ferocity that she has never employed against him before. She said that she “disagreed profoundly” with “both his comments and the way on which he expressed them.

“He argues that only controversy of this kind can rescue the Front National from media obscurity,” she said. “That is untrue. The only thing that he is trying to rescue from media obscurety is himself.”

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On 17 March last year, “Kostia”, believed to be a pro-Putin Russian exile in the south of France, reported to the Kremlin: “Marine Le Pen has officially recognised the results (of the referendum) in Crimea”

On 17 March last year, “Kostia”, believed to be a pro-Putin Russian exile in the south of France, reported to the Kremlin: “Marine Le Pen has officially recognised the results (of the referendum) in Crimea”

The revelations contained in the hacked Kremlin text messages are potentially even more damaging to Ms Le Pen.

When the National Front received a 9m euro loan in November last year from the First Czech-Russian Bank, she insisted that this was purely a commercial transaction and had no link with her frequent expressions of support and admiration for Vladimir Putin.

Text messages published today by the French news website Mediapart suggested otherwise. The messages were among 1,187 pages of texts sent and received by Timur Prokopenko, head of the Kremlin internal affairs department, which were hacked and published earlier this week by an opposition group called “Anonymous International”.

They included texts concerning Marine Le Pen and the referendum in the Russian-annexed Crimea.

On 17 March last year, “Kostia”, believed to be a pro-Putin Russian exile in the south of France, reported to the Kremlin: “Marine Le Pen has officially recognised the results (of the referendum) in Crimea”

The senior Kremlin official replied: “She has not betrayed out expectations.”

Kostia said: “We must, in one way or another, thank the French. It is importrant.”

The Kremlin: “ Yes. Super!”

Eight months later the FN received the Euros 9m loan which is expected to be the first tranche of a series of Russian payments which will fund the cash-strapped far right party up to the French presidential election in 2017.

Both Marine Le Pen and other senior NF officails today denied all knowledge of the two men in the text exchange. Ms Le Pen said that she could prove that in March 2014 she was negotoiating for a loan from a bank in Abu Dhabi (which fell through).
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Re: Moscow conference draws fascists, neo-Confederates, left

Postby Searcher08 » Sat Apr 04, 2015 11:06 am

It is interesting how Azov Battalion apologists play the "Six Degrees of Smear" with anything Russian, while appearing to have very bad cognitive myopia regarding their own perspective - and incorporating anything into that perspective that might call for it to be changed. This process is incorporated into a presentation which simultaneously

criticize opponents for NOT thinking in their binary terms.
criticize opponents for thinking in NON-binary terms.

Pretzel logic.

It shows the complete lack of critical thinking and nuance (always covered by wrapping themselves in the flag of critical thinking and nuance) , and the actual underlying (fascist-friendly) bedrock.
"Nothing to see here!, Move along! Azov = freedom fighters!"

Looking at "what is not allowed to be discussed or criticized" by them , is like the 'ground' of a painting, from which the 'figure' pops out.

seemslikeadream » Fri Apr 03, 2015 4:41 pm wrote:
WEEKEND EDITION APRIL 3-5, 2015

The Rising Swell of Anti-Russian Propaganda
NATO is Building Up for War
by BRIAN CLOUGHLEY
Voutenay sur Cure, France.

The German city of Frankfurt is continental Europe’s largest financial center and host to the country’s Stock Exchange, countless other financial institutions, and the headquarters of the European Central Bank (ECB) which is responsible for administering the monetary policy of the 18-nation Eurozone. The place is awash with money, as demonstrated by the plush new ECB office building which is costing a fortune.

The original price of the bank’s enormous palace was supposed to be 500 million euros, about 550 million dollars, but the bill has now been admitted as €1.3 billion (£930 m; $1.4 bn). This absurdly over-expensive fiasco was directed by the people who are supposed to steer the financial courses of 18 nations and their half billion unfortunate citizens. If the ECB displays similar skill sets in looking after Europe’s money as it has in controlling the cost of constructing its huge twin-tower headquarters, then Europe is in for a rocky time.

Intriguingly, the Bank isn’t alone in contributing to Europe’s bureaucratic building boom. There is another Europe-based organization of equal ambition, pomposity and incompetence which is building a majestically expensive and luxurious headquarters with a mammoth cost overrun about which it is keeping very quiet indeed.

The perpetrator of this embarrassing farce is NATO, the US-Canada-European North Atlantic Treaty Organization which is limping out of Afghanistan licking its wounds, having been fighting a bunch of sandal-wearing rag-clad amateur irregulars who gave the hi-tech forces of the West a very hard time in a war whose outcome was predictable. But the debacle hasn’t dimmed the vision of the zealous leaders of NATO who are confronting Russia in order to justify the existence of their creaking, leaking, defeated dinosaur. Their problem is not only do they lose wars, but they then look for another one to fight — to be directed from a glittery new and vastly expensive building whose cost has soared above all estimates.

Just like NATO’s wars.

NATO’s operation ‘Unified Protector’ to overthrow Libyan leader Muammar Gadhafi involved a massive aerial blitz of 9,658 airstrikes which ended with the gruesome murder of Gadhafi — and caused collapse of Libya into an omnishambles where fanatics of the barbarous Islamic State are now establishing themselves.

In spite of the horror of NATO’s Libyan catastrophe one does have to have a quiet smile about Ivo H. Daalder and James G Stavridis whose deeply researched analysis in the journal Foreign Affairs in 2012 was titled ‘NATO’s Victory in Libya.’ These sages declared that “NATO’s operation in Libya has rightly been hailed as a model intervention . . . NATO’s involvement in Libya demonstrated that the alliance remains an essential source of stability . . . NATO may not be able to replicate its success in Libya in another decade. NATO members must therefore use the Chicago summit to strengthen the alliance by ensuring that the burden sharing that worked so well in Libya — and continues in Afghanistan today — becomes the rule, not the exception.”

Not much is working well in either Libya or Afghanistan two years after the Daalder-Stavridis advocacy of “burden sharing” and it is obvious that NATO has been the opposite of a “source of stability” in both unfortunate countries.

In October 2005 I wrote that “NATO is to increase its troop numbers in Afghanistan to 15,000 and its secretary-general states that instead of acting as a peacekeeping force it will assume the combat role of U.S. troops, which is insane . . . The insurgency in Afghanistan will continue until foreign troops leave, whenever that might be. After a while, the government in Kabul will collapse and there will be anarchy until a brutal, ruthless, drug-rich warlord achieves power. He will rule the country as it has always been ruled by Afghans: by threats, religious ferocity, deceit, bribery, and outright savagery when the latter can be practiced without retribution. And the latest foreign occupation will become just another memory.”

The number of US-NATO troops in Afghanistan has been reduced from a high of 130,000 to 13,000, of which some 10,000 are U.S., but NATO’s new headquarters building in Brussels is expanding in both size and cost. The budget for the immense complex was approved at 460 million Euros (500 million US dollars) in 2010 but has now surged to over 1.25 billion Euros, about 1.4 billion dollars.

Germany’s Der Spiegel reported in January that the scandal of the cost overrun was being kept secret by all governments contributing to this redundant organization. A leaked cable from Germany’s ambassador explained that at a meeting of NATO representatives last December they “pointed to the disastrous effect on the image of the alliance if construction were to stop and if NATO appeared to be incapable of punctually completing a construction project that was decided at the NATO summit of government leaders in April 1999 in Washington. The risk of a further cost increase is already palpable.”

The solution to NATO’s self-imposed image problem was simple : the people responsible for managing the affairs of a military alliance involving 28 countries, 3.5 million combatants and 5,000 nuclear weapons decided, as asked by the staff of its Secretary General, to deal with the matter “confidentially.” In other words, the cost overruns and delays in construction are being deliberately concealed from the public in the hope that NATO’s executives will not appear incompetent.

Meantime, while trying to conceal their flaws, faults and failings in management of basic administrative affairs, NATO’s chiefs are squaring up to Russia in an attempt to persuade the world that President Putin is about to mount an invasion from the east. The focal point of NATO’s contrived alarm is the corrupt and chaotic regime in power in Ukraine, which has serious disagreements with Russia and is therefore energetically supported by the United States to the point of distortion, menace and mendacity.

As reported in the UK’s Daily Telegraph on March 4, the commander of US troops in Europe, General Frederick “Ben” Hodges, has accused Russia of having 12,000 troops inside eastern Ukraine, which was irresponsible nonsense.

Hodges was formerly the army’s Congressional Liaison Officer in Washington where he obviously acquired a taste for political grandstanding, as in a political speech of the sort that generals have no right to make he declared that “We have to raise the cost for Putin. Right now he has 85 per cent domestic support. But when mothers start seeing their sons come home dead, when the price goes up, domestic support goes down,” which was as offensive as it was hostile.

In February the Wall Street Journal reported Hodges as saying “I believe the Russians are mobilizing right now for a war that they think is going to happen in five or six years—not that they’re going to start a war in five or six years, but I think they are anticipating that things are going to happen, and that they will be in a war of some sort, of some scale, with somebody within the next five or six years.” Just what President Putin was supposed to make of that is anyone’s guess — but it is certain that Hodges’ bellicose meanderings did nothing to persuade Moscow that there would be any attempt by the US-NATO coalition to modify its policy of uncompromising enmity.

Other pronouncements by NATO leaders have been equally threatening and intended to convince the public of western Europe that Russia attacked Ukraine.

But even if Russia had indeed invaded Ukraine, it would have had nothing whatever to do with anyone else.

The US-NATO coalition willfully ignores the fact that Ukraine is not a member of either the European Union or NATO and has no treaty of any sort with any nation in the world that would require provision of political, economic or military support in the event of a bilateral dispute with any other country. Yet NATO has seized upon the Ukraine-Russia discord to justify its policy of unrelenting hostility to Moscow.

It is most important for NATO that it has an enemy to confront, because there would be no reason for its existence if an enemy did not exist. But there is no enemy intent on invading any NATO country — if only because Russia would be suicidally insane to try to attempt any such thing. Quite simply, if Russia invaded any member of NATO there would have to be instant NATO response — and that would lead to nuclear war. It’s as stark as that.

NATO should have been disbanded at the time of the collapse of the Soviet Union because that threat was the sole reason for its existence; but it decided to multiply membership and extend its military presence closer and closer to Russia’s borders. There is little wonder that Russia is apprehensive about NATO’s intentions, as the muscle-flexing coalition lurches towards conflict.

NATO’S Supreme Commander, US General Breedlove, has also contributed greatly to tension and fear in Europe by issuing dire warnings about Russia’s supposed maneuvers. On March 5 he indulged in fantasy by claiming, without a shred of evidence and no subsequent proof, that Russia had deployed “well over a thousand combat vehicles” along with “combat forces, some of their most sophisticated air defense, battalions of artillery” within Ukraine. This pronouncement was similar to his downright lie of November 18, 2014, when he told the German newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung that there were “regular Russian army units in eastern Ukraine.”

The swell of anti-Russian propaganda, confrontation and attempted intimidation by NATO has increased, and if it continues to do so it is likely that Moscow will take action, thereby upping the stakes and the danger even more. It is time that NATO’s nations came to terms with the reality that Russia is a major international power with legitimate interests in its own region. Moscow is not going to bow the knee in the face of immature threats by sabre-rattling US generals and their swaggering acolytes. It is time for NATO to forge ties rather than destroy them — and to build bridges rather than glitzy office blocks.
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Re: Moscow conference draws fascists, neo-Confederates, left

Postby American Dream » Tue Apr 07, 2015 2:21 pm

Russia Hosting Europe’s Neo-Nazis, Nationalists and Anti-Semites, Putin Supporters All

Paul Goble

Staunton, March 21 — Even as Moscow denounces anything it views as a manifestation of fascism abroad and prepares to mark the anniversary of the victory over Nazi Germany, the Russian authorities are hosting tomorrow a meeting of Europe’s neo-Nazis, extreme nationalists, and anti-Semites who share one thing in common – their unqualified support for Vladimir Putin.

The meeting called the first “Russian International Conservative Forum” and nominally hosted by the Russian National Cultural Center – People’s House is in fact the work of the Rodina Party and says it includes only European rightists who support Putin on Ukraine (see Rosbalt and Ekho Moskvy).

The organizers say that those taking part are “exclusively” from parties officially registered in European countries and that they could not be if they were neo-Nazi because “this is a criminal ideology which is banned in Europe.” What these parties do share is opposition to their governments “which are US puppets.”

Further, Yuri Lyubomirsky, head of the Right to Bear Arms group and one of the organizers says, “all these parties actively defend the interests of Russia regarding Crimea and the events in Ukraine’s South-East.” And he expressed “hope for constructive cooperation” between them and like-minded Russians such as himself.

Not surprisingly, this action has outraged many in Russia from the communists to Yabloko party member Boris Vishnevsky to human rights activists who have called on the government to ban the meeting and say they will picket and possibly disrupt it if the authorities do nothing to stop this assemblage from taking place.

Just how noxious this meeting is and how it underscores just how few people in Europe Putin’s regime can get to openly support it as opposed to the far larger number who are not prepared to do anything to oppose the Kremlin is underscored by the list of those who are scheduled to speak or otherwise take part.

They include:

Jared Taylor, an American who calls for white supremacy.
Nicholas Griffin, head of the British National Party and a prominent Holocaust denier.
Roberto Fiore, head of the New Force party in Italy which pursues traditionalist and extreme right causes.
Udo Voigt, Former head of the right-wing extremist National Democratic Party of Germany and now a deputy in the European Parliament noted for his anti-Semitic and xenophobic views and frequently found subject to legal sanctions for them.
Georgios Epitidios, a representative of Greece’s Golden Dawn party which is viewed in Athens as neo-fascist and neo-Nazi and whose party’s emblem is a stylized swastika.
Stefan Jakobsen, the head of the Party of Swedes and who is widely considered a neo-Nazi.
Daniel Karlsen, the head of the Party of Danes and one of the founding members of the National Socialist Movement of Denmark.
Gonsalo Martin Garcia, a leader of the ultra-right Spanish National Democratic Party.
Horatio Maria Guerre, president of the European Communist Party Millenium which seeks the dissolution of NATO and the end of what he calls “the hegemony of liberalism and the unipolar world.”
Aleksandr Hofman, the foreign minister of the self-proclaimed Donetsk Peoples Republic.


And from Russia itself, among others:

Aleksey Zhuravlyev, a United Russia Duma deputy who has attracted attention for his calls to strip the rights of those in non-traditional families to have children.
Yegor Kholmogorov, a Russian nationalist who has said that “the war for Novorossiya is a national liberation war of the Russian people for its reunification and for the elimination of invented borders.”
Stanislav Vorobyev, the coordinator of the Russian Imperial Movement who has called for “Russian men to join the joint struggle for Novorossiya under the imperial flag.”
Ivan Ovsyannikov of the Russian Socialist Movement notes that “the forum calls itself conservative, but this is a lie. These are not people like the British conservatives; these are parties of the extreme right wing.”
And Boris Vishnevsky, a Yabloko deputy in St. Petersburg’s legislative assembly, concurs.


He says that he is horrified by any manifestations of interest in fascism in foreign countries but notes that he is not a citizen of any of them and consequently is “not responsible” for their laws. But he is a Russian citizen, and as such he feels entitled to ask: “Why should such forums take place in my country with the complete silence of state structures?”

“I do not know how any former [Waffen SS] legionnaires remain in Latvia,” he continues, but I consider that they are less dangerous for society that contemporary neo-Nazis who can freely assembly and disseminate their views” as such people plan to do in Russia’s northern capital on Sunday.

“And the views [of those planning to come] are xenophobia, hatred of aliens and dividing people into categories which always gives rise to bloodshed. To the manifestation of fascism in one’s own country one must react with the very same intolerance as to fascism somewhere else,” Vishnevsky concludes.

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Re: Moscow conference draws fascists, neo-Confederates, left

Postby Searcher08 » Tue Apr 07, 2015 4:06 pm

^^^^^^^^^^
So just WHO is this Paul Goble person?
Could there be a chance he ISNT a Soros wonk / shill ??

Err...Nope

This is like playing globalist Wack-a-Mole:
Goble served as special adviser on Soviet nationality issues and Baltic affairs to Secretary of State James Baker.

From Wiki:

Voice of America, Senior Advisor to the Director
Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, Assistant Director for Broadcasting and Director of Communications

Senior Associate, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
Special Advisor on Soviet Nationality Problems, U.S. Department of State
Deputy Director, Research Department, Radio Liberty
Analyst on Soviet Nationalities, Department of State’s Bureau of Intelligence and Research, Central Intelligence Agency.
Is presently a columnist for Euromaidan Press

Publications

Russia and Its Neighbors, Foreign Policy, No. 90 (Spring, 1993), Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
Forget the Soviet Union, Foreign Policy, No. 86 (Spring, 1992), Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
Chechnya and Its Consequences, Post-Soviet Affairs, 1995
Russia as a Failed State: Difficulties and Foreign Challenges, Baltic Defense Review, 2004


What next?
RSS Feeds from Hilary Clinton herself? From the BBC?

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Postby Searcher08 » Tue Apr 07, 2015 4:27 pm

Hey, let's post more CIA talking points from Paul Goble


LibCom. Soros shills and the State Department. Yo! R.I. at it's strangest :clown



Paul Goble: Putin aide linked to Maidan killings
Feb. 22, 2015, 9:13 a.m.

STAUNTON – In the classic film about Watergate, All the President's Men, Deep Throat warns that in unmasking a conspiracy, it is important not to go too fast but rather to build from the outer rings into the center.

Op-ed – by Paul Goble
Paul Goble: Western sanctions hurt Russia but saved Putin
Nov. 25, 2014, 1:22 p.m.

No one can deny that Western sanctions and the declining price of oil have had a negative impact on Russia, but few recognize the other side of the coin: Western sanctions saved Vladimir Putin by allowing him the opportunity to shift blame for what has gone wrong in Russia away from himself onto the West.

Op-ed – by Paul Goble
Paul Goble: Putinism a cult with the pluses and minuses thereof
Nov. 25, 2014, 8:29 a.m.

Putinism is "a pseudo-religious and quasi-political cult" which has arisen over the course of the last year and which has "consolidated society around Putin," including many who were at the level of political ideas opposed to the Kremlin leader, according to Fedor Krasheninnikov.

Op-ed – by Paul Goble
Paul Goble: Putin's loose talk about nuclear weapons threatens Russia and Putin himself
Nov. 25, 2014, 8:16 a.m.

Loose talk by Vladimir Putin and others in Moscow about using nuclear weapons has not only united the West in ways that nothing else, including Russian aggression in Ukraine, could, but it is spreading fear among those near Putin about their future prospects in such a brave new world, according to Yuri Fedorov.

Op-ed – by Paul Goble
Paul Goble: Fall of Berlin Wall did not end East-West divide

Nov. 24, 2014, 9:10 a.m.

The fall of the Berlin Wall 25 years ago did not end the division between East and West as some imagine. Instead, that division, although it now runs along a line several hundred kilometers further east, has turned out to be far more significant and longer-lasting than many want to believe, according to Moscow commentator Ivan Sukhov.

Op-ed – by Paul Goble
Paul Goble: Putin prepared to start nuclear war to stay in power, Kolesnikov says
Nov. 23, 2014, 11:13 p.m.

Staunton, November 23 – Sergey Kolesnikov, who earlier attracted attention for an article entitled “Putin Forever!” (vedomosti.ru/opinion/news/1526746/putin_navsegda), now says that Vladimir Putin is prepared to start a war, even a nuclear one, in order to retain power and thus block any chance that he would be charged with corruption were he removed from office.

Op-ed – by Paul Goble
Paul Goble: 'Americans are prepared to die for Latvia,' Nuland says
Nov. 23, 2014, 11:01 p.m.

Staunton, November 22 – When the Ukrainian crisis began, some commentators in the West suggested that NATO would not in the end fight to defend the Baltic countries even though the latter are full members of NATO by asking “who is prepared to die for Narva?” But now a senior US State Department has given a clear and unequivocal answer: Western countries are.

Op-ed – by Paul Goble
Paul Gobel: Russian draftees refuse military's plans to send them to fight in Ukraine
Nov. 21, 2014, 7:48 p.m.

Some 250 Russian draftees at a military base in Rostov oblast have rejected the appeals of their commanders to sign up as contract soldiers, a step that would allow Moscow to send them to fight in southeastern Ukraine, according to Valentina Melnikova of the Union of Soldiers' Mothers of Russia.

Op-ed – by Paul Goble
Paul Goble: Defend Ukraine from Russian aggression first - then, insist on reforms
Nov. 21, 2014, 7:45 p.m.

"Sept. 3, 1939 - British and French commentators and officials said today that it could no longer be denied that Hitler was invading Poland and that the Nazi forces represented the most serious threat to the existence of that country, but they said that Warsaw could not reasonably expect allied assistance unless it carried out massive reforms first."

Op-ed – by Paul Goble
Paul Goble: Crimean Tatars launch online petition for recognition as 'indigenous people of Crimea'
Nov. 20, 2014, 1:43 p.m.

The Crimean Tatar Resistance Organization has launched an online petition drive to gain international recognition as the indigenous people of the peninsula, a step that Ukraine did not take earlier and that Russia has not taken since the Anschluss, and one that the organizers say is necessary to preserve their national identity.

Op-ed – by Paul Goble
Paul Goble: Calls for Latinization of Ukrainian alphabet on 'civilizational grounds' anger Russians

Nov. 20, 2014, 11:16 a.m.

Renewed calls by some Ukrainians to shift the alphabet of their national language from one based on Cyrillic characters to a Latin-based script in order to escape from the influence of Moscow and be closer to the West has infuriated Russian nationalists, who say that there is no chance Ukraine will ever take this step.

Op-ed – by Paul Goble
The Interpreter: For Putin, Ukraine is all about maintaining his own power
Nov. 19, 2014, 9:07 a.m.

Vladimir Putin's actions in Ukraine are not part of a broader imperial program but rather a tactical move on the part of the Kremlin leader to shore up his power in Moscow, something that makes any resolution of the conflict in Ukraine more rather than less difficult, according to Liliya Shevtsova.

Russia and former Soviet Union – by Paul Goble
Paul Goble: Behind the scenes in the Kremlin - toward a dictatorship or a 'shadow government'?
Nov. 18, 2014, 8:57 a.m.

Some Moscow commentators say that sanctions and the worsening condition of the Russian economy is creating a Hobbesian world within the Russian elites around Putin, with some arguing the Kremlin leader must move toward an open dictatorship and others suggesting "a shadow government" is already taking shape.

Op-ed – by Paul Goble
Paul Goble: Moscow's moves in Georgia intended to cut off Central Asia and China from Europe: Regional Expert
Nov. 14, 2014, 2:53 p.m.

“The victory of pro-Russian forces in Georgia would be a catastrophe not only for Georgia,” Gela Vasadze, the head of the Svobodnaya Zona portal, says, because that development, one actively promoted by Moscow, would also cut off Azerbaijan, Central Asia and China from a land route to Europe bypassing Russia.

Op-ed – by Paul Goble
Paul Goble: Putin said organizing 'separatist international' against Europe
Nov. 13, 2014, 11:38 a.m.

Vladimir Putin is organizing a "separatist international" against European countries, thus combining two of his more widely recognized policies: promoting separatism in the former Soviet republics around Russia's periphery and reaching out to nationalist extremists in Europe.

Op-ed – by Paul Goble
Paul Goble: Stalin invented hybrid war, not Putin, archival record shows
Nov. 6, 2014, 9:40 a.m.

One of the most frequently invoked explanations for the inability of leaders to cope with a challenge is that it is something fundamentally new that they could not have been expected to recognize, understand, and know precisely how to respond. That has been the case in Ukraine and the West with what many now call "hybrid war."

Op-ed – by Paul Goble
Paul Goble: Putin's strategy in Ukraine - sow panic, provoke, invade and then repeat the process
Nov. 4, 2014, 10:23 a.m.

Vladimir Putin has a very clear strategy in Ukraine: first, sow panic among Ukrainians and the West and then wait, then provoke Ukrainians into doing things that distance them from the West, and then wait; invade when both Ukrainians and the West are off balance; and then repeat the process.

Op-ed – by Paul Goble
Paul Goble: Russia's first and most serious nationality problem - the over-counting of ethnic Russians
Oct. 30, 2014, 2:10 p.m.

An article on Lenta.ru this week about the ethnic backgrounds of Russia's 200 wealthiest businessmen, one that could have been expected to spark anger among Russians at minorities including Jews, has in fact called attention to something else: As in Soviet times, many who call themselves ethnic Russians in fact are members of other nations.

Op-ed – by Paul Goble
Paul Goble: Putin's next moves in Ukraine won't be pretty
Oct. 29, 2014, 10:08 a.m.

Having failed to disrupt the Ukrainian elections, to gain support for pro-Russian candidates, or to provoke Ukrainians into voting for national extremists that Moscow could use to discredit Ukraine in the West, Vladimir Putin will be tempted to stir up more violence in Ukraine to keep that country from pursuing its European course.

Op-ed – by Paul Goble
Paul Goble: Suggesting Kyiv provocation in Transdniestria may presage a Russian attack
Oct. 8, 2014, 2:21 p.m.

One of the characteristics of Vladimir Putin's behavior - just as has been the case with other dictators in the past - is that he has often signaled what he intends to do by blaming those he intends to attack for something they have not done and have no intention of doing - or even describing their motivations and calculations in terms that better fit himself.
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Re: Moscow conference draws fascists, neo-Confederates, left

Postby Elvis » Tue Apr 07, 2015 4:34 pm

Yes, look at Paul Goble's associations -- do we really need or want his one-sided MIC propaganda republished at RI?:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_A._Goble

Paul Goble at the Institute of World Politics



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Insti ... d_Politics

The Institute of World Politics (IWP) is a graduate school of national security, intelligence, and international affairs. It was founded in 1990 and is located in the Dupont Circle neighborhood of Washington, D.C.

According to its mission statement, the school develops leaders in the intelligence, national security, and diplomatic communities

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Paul A. Goble, Professor of Islam and Geopolitics in Eurasia, Analyst on Soviet Nationalities, Department of State's Bureau of Intelligence and Research, Central Intelligence Agency ummmmmm

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IWP alumni bring their insights learned at IWP to leadership and management positions in such crucial entities as the FBI, CIA, DIA, and Secret Service; the Departments of Defense, Energy, Homeland Security, Justice, State, and Treasury; the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps and Coast Guard; Congressional offices; think tanks, academic institutions; and government contracting corporations. [12]
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Postby American Dream » Tue Apr 07, 2015 4:42 pm

Which of his particular assertions regarding the conference and its attendees do you dispute, Elvis?
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Re: Moscow conference draws fascists, neo-Confederates, left

Postby Searcher08 » Tue Apr 07, 2015 4:52 pm

American Dream » Tue Apr 07, 2015 8:42 pm wrote:Which of his particular assertions regarding the conference and its attendees do you dispute, Elvis?


Actually, why don't YOU answer Elvis's question, American Dream?

Yes, look at Paul Goble's associations -- do we really need or want his one-sided MIC propaganda republished at RI?:


An interesting question is
Why has someone who normally posts
Copy Pasta from LibCom moved to
Copy Pasta from Soros shills and is now posting
Copy Pasta from State Department and CIA analysts???


This progression reminds me of Barracuda's quote about Sunny 8) I'll go search it out.

The path from RI antifa Copy Pasta champion to globalist shill fanboy to State Department / CIA Analyst evangelist seems pretty straightforward to me. Perhaps even inevitable.
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Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Apr 07, 2015 5:01 pm

Ronnie Reagan and Paul sitting in a tree...k - i - s - s - i - n - g

Is Paul Goble Just Pretending to be an Idiot?
Posted on May 10, 2014 by marknesop

Uncle Volodya says, “The ugly and the stupid have the best of it in this world. They can sit at their ease and gape at the play. If they know nothing of victory, they are at least spared the knowledge of defeat. “

Paul Goble was a CIA analyst. Oh, I don’t need to worry about blowing his cover like happened with Valerie Plame or anything dramatic like that; it was quite a long time ago. And besides, he wants you to know. It’s in his bio. He also spent some time at the State Department, the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, Voice of America and a basketful of Baltic colleges and academies.

They all seem to think he’s a pretty smart guy. Well, let me tell you what. If I had a dog that wrote like Paul Goble, I’d tape his paws together with duct tape, change the password on my laptop when I knew he wasn’t looking, and he would have forgotten the word “biscuit” by the time he ever saw another one. Because Paul Goble is a black belt in Dumb Fu; the inside of his head must look like a bowl of elbows. That’s one explanation, and that’s one we can forgive, because stupid people can’t help being stupid. Another is that he’s willfully ignorant, and just keeps broadcasting the same message like a stuck record of the Moron Tabernacle Choir, because he likes the sound of it.

Or he’s pretending, for reasons of his own, to be an imbecile. Like, an undercover idiot, if you can imagine that. I ask you; after the number of times it has been pointed out – with 8×10 colour glossy photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back explaining what each one is, like in Arlo Guthrie’s monologue from “Alice’s Restaurant” – that the “demographic situation at home” (in Russia) is not “worsening”, why in the name of Jesus jumped-up Johnnycake do self-styled academics and intelligentsia like Paul Goble keep writing that it is? Over and over and over, I swear to God, Diogenes must be doing wheelies in his grave.

Listen, Paul. This is like gravity – you cannot just write that something is true and make it true by wishing, if it is not true. Here, try it. Write, “I have a firm size 36C breast on my forehead, that I can squeeze whenever I am too lazy to walk upstairs and wake the wife up”. Now feel your forehead. Is there anything there? What!!! How did you spell that??? No, seriously, I’m messing with you – of course there’s nothing there; you must have known there wouldn’t be. Riddle me this, then, Paul – How can the demographic situation in Russia be “worsening” when the population is increasing, while the demographics show that Russia is still 80% ethnic Russian? What about that spells “worsening” to you? I could see it if you’d said “Ukraine”, where they’ve lost 2 million people in the last 9 years. That, right there, is a demographic situation which is hurtin’ for certain, shows no sign of reversing and is only likely to worsen in the near future. Not much helped by the self-appointed Ukrainian government in Kiev killing off its citizens like it heard there were too many, either, not to put too fine a point on it, and I cannot help but observe the lack of alarmed Goble gobbling on that reality.

Nor is this the least of the counter-intuitive Gobelesque gobshite – if only. No, as fantastic as it may sound – “fantastic” being used here as a consolidation of “holy shit, is this guy on smack or what? This is analysis?” – Goble is of the apparent opinion that Moscow (a term interchangeable with “the Kremlin” and “Putin”, just as if Moscow were not a cosmopolitan city of somewhere between 13 and 15 million but rather consisted of Putin and his cat in the Kremlin surrounded by miles of cracked mud flats in summer, and driving snow and howling wolves in winter) desperately wants a new Cold War.

He has cleverly – for him – couched it as “Why Moscow Desperately Wants a New Cold War, and Why There Isn’t and Won’t be One”, which makes it very difficult to prove “Putin” in “the Kremlin” in “Moscow” never wanted one in the first place, because like he says, there isn’t going to be one. I’ll tell you who really wants a new Cold War – NATO.

Russia under Putin has worked steadily to improve the standard of living for its citizens, with noticeable success. It has sought opportunities to showcase the improvement in the country by aggressively pursuing hosting privileges for international events such as the Formula One, the World Cup and the recently-concluded Olympic Games, assessed by many to have been excellent (including IOC President Thomas Bach), although there was a U.S. -led effort to ruin them before they started by pretending to be avid supporters of gay rights, and the mean-spiritedness which has grown to characterize official America where its pathological hate – Russia – is concerned was very much on display. In fact, American reporting showcased how female reporters have come into their own, as Danielle Weiner-Bronner and Tara Wanda Merrigan grappled in the mud for the title of bitchiest bitch of all time. Russia patiently waited 18 years to join the World Trade Organization, which already included 6 of the 16 countries rated “Worst of the Worst” for oppression, harassment and state crimes against the individual by Freedom House. Russia was not on the list. Russia has steadily sought to open itself up to foreign investment, restricting foreign ownership only in industries which are considered to affect state security.

Russia was kept out of the WTO for 18 years due to opposition from the United States, plus whatever dicksplat country (like Georgia under Mikheil Saakashvili, a pathological Russophobe who could always be counted on to jam a stick in the spokes) the U.S. could persuade to lodge a complaint, while some of the worst human rights abusers and world’s poorest countries enjoyed membership. The United States passed the Magnitsky Act, sanctioning Russian citizens without a trial on behalf of a British businessman. The USA and European Union passed an escalating series of sanctions against Russian citizens and financial institutions to punish Russia for involvement in the unrest in southeast Ukraine while such involvement remains unproven and several items offered as proof turned out to be deliberate fabrications. Yet State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki (whom Jen – hilariously – dubbed “Psaki-path”) is an almost-daily feature on television yammering that Russia is not doing enough, it must do more, we trusted it to act in good faith and instead it screwed us in the bum, maybe it’s time for more sanctions to really put them in their place. Oh, I think it’s clear who really wants a new Cold War.

Moscow wants a new Cold War, saith Goble, to divert public attention from Putin’s “disastrous economic policies”. What, you mean like moving up to world’s third-highest recipient of foreign investment? Moving up to fifth-largest economy in the world, as ranked by the World Bank? Those disastrous policies?

Meanwhile, in Goble’s America, the debt grew twice as fast as the economy last year, and now stands at a scrotum-shriveling 104% of GDP. If you were looking for some disastrous economic policies, Paul, I suggest you start looking in ever-widening circles starting at your front door. Stop when you get to Washington.

Russia is modestly increasing its defense spending, projected to grow 44% in the next three years. But it also allowed its forces to run down to a shadow of their former selves; nobody in their right mind would be able to substantiate the notion of Russia aspiring to militarily dominate the globe based on its defense spending, and in fact the Russian government has repeatedly affirmed that it is not interested in being more than a regional power. The United States, however, spends nearly 10 times what Russia does on defense despite being a substantially smaller country – Russia only recently displaced the UK, which could get lost in Russia’s vest pocket, as third-largest global spender – and spends 2.7 times more than Russia and China spend combined.

Russian diplomats and cabinet ministers in Kiev during Euromaidan? Zip, nada, not a one. Yet you couldn’t swing a dead rat on a string without hitting a Pole, a European Foreign Minister, an American senator or a U.S. State Department official during the giddy celebration of organized dissent. Vickie “Noodles” Nuland and Ukrainian U.S. ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt got caught mapping the future Ukrainian government exclusively to fit the foreign policy aims of the USA – although Washington is almost 5000 miles from Kiev while Moscow is less than 500. The Washington Post reported from Donetsk on April 17th of this year,

“At a most dangerous and delicate time, just as it battles Moscow for hearts and minds across the east, the pro-Western government is set to initiate a shock therapy of economic measures to meet the demands of an emergency bailout from the International Monetary Fund.”

Both John Kerry and the disgustingly-disappointing president he serves regularly commented on how seriously the USA and NATO took Article 5 of the NATO Charter – the one that says an attack on a NATO country is an attack on NATO – despite the fact that Ukraine is not a NATO country, and never will be so long as it persists in its position that it still owns the Crimea and will one day take it back. NATO will not entertain membership for countries with unresolved boundary disputes; it’s what scuppered Georgia’s chances, and probably is the dominant reason behind Saakashvili’s doomed lunge at Tshkinvali.

If you thought the idiocy was over, au contraire. In a departure from common sense so radical that it twisted the needle off the flabbergastatron, Goble argues, [New Cold War rhetoric] “keeps the west off balance because it prevents many in the west from seeing what he is doing and from taking the kind of steps that are necessary to stop him.” I see. Cold War rhetoric endows the instigator of it with the power to cloud men’s minds, so that they are incapable of seeing what he is doing. Well, if that isn’t just about the biggest and most spectacular piece of bullshit I’ve ever heard, I don’t know what would top it. Would you say the west focused more attention on what the Soviet Union was doing during the Cold War than at other times, or less? Do you think starting a new Cold War would cause the west to pay greater attention to what Russia was doing, or less?

There is absolutely nothing about Cold War rhetoric which would cause the west, and particularly the Russia-hating U.S. of A, to be unable to see what Putin was doing, and in fact the amount of attention and expenditure of assets to increase surveillance and monitoring of Putin’s every move and word and thought would increase dramatically.

It’s clear who wants a new Cold War. And it isn’t Russia. And contrary to Goble’s prediction, those who want it might just get it.



Paul Goble, Promethean Propagandist
written by Anatoly Karlin on March 25, 2010 .

Mark Adomanis, who recently burst into the Russia-watching blogosphere like a fluffy pink grenade, has a series on “Who is the world’s worst Russia analyst”? (So far Stephen Blank and Leon Aron are in the running). Personally, I think that Ed Lucas would “win” hands down. However, since he’s already been exposed and discredited on this blog, – and I don’t have the time or will to flog dead horses – let’s instead take a closer look at Paul Goble, the oft-cited “Eurasia expert” whose output seems to consist entirely of recycling stories from marginal Russian commentators about the country’s imminent demographic apocalypse, breakup along ethnic lines, and takeover by Muslims. If one fine day some random Tatar blogger on LiveJournal decides to restore the Qasim Khanate, we’ll certainly hear about it on his blog… and guess what, we do!

Sure, he might be a fact-challenged Russophobe propagandist who worked for the CIA, Radio Liberty, and “democracy-promoting” NGO’s. Yes, he has extensive professional links to the Baltic nations and Azerbaijan. True, he is essentially an agent of a latter-day Promethean Project, the interwar Polish strategy to preempt the reemergence of a Eurasian empire by stirring up ethnic separatism in the Soviet space, a project now pursued by Washington and its proxies. That is all understandable and commendable – he serves US geopolitical aims, and geopolitics is profoundly amoral, so what’s the problem? Why am I writing a hit piece on Paul Goble? Simple. The utter hypocrisy and double standards I encountered in his Jan 2010 ‘No Ordinary Year’ for Azerbaijan article, in which the guy who incessantly condemns Russia’s human rights, takes to advising Western countries to refrain from reprimanding authoritarian Azerbaijan because the “level of anger about such criticism is so great” that it could lead to a “rebalancing of Azerbaijan’s foreign policy away from the West”. Or translated from quackademic neocon-speak into English, “They might be bastards – though nowhere near as bastardly as the Russians, I mean they even pay me my salary!, – but they are our bastards!”


Ali Novruzov, an Azeri human rights blogger, condemns this duplicity, characterizing Goble’s viewpoint as: “Don’t criticize Azerbaijan, no matter how many Emins and Adnans are beaten and jailed, how many grams of heroin are found in shoes of Eynulla Fatullayev, how many villages like Benaniyar is ransacked by government militia and its residents detained en mass, shut up you, Amnesty International and State Department, otherwise Azerbaijan will get angry, turn away from you and befriend Russia”.

He certainly has reason to be concerned. Even Freedom House, a “democracy measuring” organization that gives freedom cookies for being friendly with the US (bonus points if you have oil) and takes them away for being “anti-Western”, rates Azerbaijan as “unfree”, on the same level as despised Russia. Given that Azerbaijan hits the Full House in that it is 1) relatively pro-Western, 2) oil-rich, and 3) nestled in a crucial geopolitical region, there is cause to suspect that it would perform a lot worse on any objective analysis of political freedoms. We don’t even have to suspect this, we can just head over to Polity IV, – a vast research project that attempts to quantify levels of democratization in different countries since World War 2 – and observe that Azerbaijan scored -7 in 2008, on a scale from -10 to 10. This makes it a formal “autocracy”, the same as China (-6) or Iran (-7), – and far worse than its neighbors Russia (5), Armenia (5) or Georgia (6). No wonder, since unlike in Russia there is not even the simulacrum of political competition, and the Presidency is passed down along hereditary lines.

However, as alluded to at the beginning, hypocrisy, double standards, and Western chauvinism aren’t Goble’s only talents – they’re just the ones that roused my ire enough to write this piece. The fact of the matter is that article after article, Goble demonstrates the most fact-challenged, non-sequiturial, inane claptrap – and manages to get himself cited and listened to by major institutions which determine Western policy towards the region. Debunking his drivel is thus in any case long overdue.

1. Let’s start with this article (October 2008) on how the financial crisis was supposed to “compound” Russia’s demographic decline. It conveniently illustrates Goble’s OM – seek out the most sensational (and wrong) opinions in the Russian language media and reproduce them in his articles. By adding his label/name to them, they become citable to the rest of the Cold Warrior clique and even some respectable institutions that are ignorant of Goble’s incompetence and bias.

The financial crisis in the Russian Federation has pushed up the already high rates of mortality from heart and circulatory diseases there to third world levels, according to medical experts.

This sentence is wrong on so many levels. First, in Third World countries, mortality from heart/circulatory diseases is typically LOWER than in industrialized nations (since there are few older people and the population continues dying from infectious diseases, particularly amongst younger ages). Second, Russia has had one of the world’s highest levels of mortality from heart/circulatory diseases SINCE AT LEAST the 1980’s – it is NOT a recent development, as implied by Goble! Third, how the financial crisis figured into this I have absolutely no idea, since it only began to affect most Russians in October (the same month Goble’s article was written), and at which time the latest Russian demographic statistics only covered AUGUST 2008!

Yevgeny Chazov, one of Russia’s senior specialists on heart disease, told a Duma hearing that as a result of the difficult psycho-social circumstances and stresses from instability in the country, 1.3 million people – 56 percent of the total number of deaths there – now die from heart disease.

As has been the case FOR THE PAST 60 YEARS – i.e., a pattern of mortality heavily tilted towards heart disease – ever since the epidemiological revolution from 1930-50. And instability has been a feature of Russian life for the PAST 20 YEARS. Chazov was misquoted, or is a dummy; Goble, in any case, is certainly a dummy.

But if many speakers blamed the financial crisis or personal behavioral choices like smoking or alcohol consumption, one, Aleksandr Baranov, the vice president of the Academy of Medical Sciences, was prepared to blame the Russian government. Medical science knows how to lower mortality, he said, but we haven received an order from the powers that be.

There is a lot of investment in newly-equipped hospitals and clinics since 2007, and positive results are already showing. The current situation is far better than under Yeltsin or the early Putin years, when healthcare and social spending in general were cut and neglected, back when Russia’s robber barons wallowed in their ill-begotten billions with Western connivance. Baranov either lives under a rock, or wants to score rhetorical points. The financial crisis is irrelevant. Excessive alcohol consumption is what causes 1/3 of all Russia’s deaths. Reducing it is should be by far the #1 priority of any harm reduction strategy for Russia, and the “powers that be” have indeed recognized this and launched an anti-alcohol campaign. Nor surprisingly, Goble fails to mention any of this.

Finally, and most importantly, REAL LIFE HAS PROVED GOBLE TOTALLY, 200% WRONG. Contrary to the vision of demographic doom he peddled, deaths from cardio-vascular disease fell by 4.6% in 2009. Furthermore, RUSSIA SAW ITS FIRST POPULATION INCREASE IN 15 YEARS! And Goble’s predictable response to his utter failure at prediction?… “Russia’s Population Stabilization Only Temporary“.

2. Now let’s move on to the more general theme of Goble’s thesis on Russia – as an imperialistic country in rapid decline (demographic, cultural, etc), afflicted by an imminent, sub-Saharan scale AIDS epidemic, it will break up along its ethnic faultlines (Tatars, Bashkirs, Finno-Ugric peoples, Caucasians) and become majority Muslim by 2050. For instance, see a 2006 briefing he gave to Radio Liberty, which they summarized thus:

But Russia’s Muslims are bucking that trend. The fertility rate for Tatars living in Moscow, for example, is six children per woman, Goble said, while the Chechen and Ingush communities are averaging 10 children per woman. And hundreds of thousands of Muslims from Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan have been flocking to Russia in search of work. Since 1989, Russia’s Muslim population has increased by 40 percent to about 25 million. By 2015, Muslims will make up a majority of Russia’s conscript army, and by 2020 a fifth of the population. “If nothing changes, in 30 years people of Muslim descent will definitely outnumber ethnic Russians,” Goble said.

Goble’s comments to RFERL made their way into the wider commentariat in 2006-07, such as this article in SFGate, Daniel Pipes, and certain plain demented Russophobe bloggers.

Unfortunately for Russophobes, Islamophobes, and Islamists alike (quite an adorable grouping, isn’t it?!), Goble’s projections are complete twaddle. In 2005, the year before Goble started spouting off about Russia’s Islamification, the homeland of Russia’s Tatars, Tatarstan (1.26), had a LOWER total fertility rate than the Russian average (1.29)! Where did Goble get the figure of 6 women per children amongst Tatar women in Moscow? Stormfront Russia?!

Likewise, the figure of 10 children per women amongst Muscovite Ingush and Chechen women is risible and should be laughed off by anyone with the smallest knowledge of demographic history. Not only did Ingushetia (1.56) and Chechnya (2.91) themselves have far lower figures in 2005, a total fertility rate of 10 children per woman HASN’T BEEN OBSERVED IN PRACTICALLY ANY COMMUNITY, EVER!! (Even in PRE-INDUSTRIAL times, the fertility rate typically flunctuated between 4-8 children per woman, depending on factors like urbanization and food affordability. The idea that it could be 10, or anyone near that number, in a modern metropolis, is ludicrous in the extreme).

As for the Muslim-takeover-by-2050ish claim, this is the usual bogus fallacy of linear extrapolation of the worst-case trends with total, cavalier disregard for positive trends (e.g., the convergence of ethnic Russian and Muslim fertility rates) and current day facts (e.g., that ethnic Russians still make up nearly 80% of the population, WHEREAS ONLY 4-6% OF THE POPULATION CONSIDER THEMSELVES TO BE MUSLIMS in opinion polls; that the fertility rates of the biggest Muslim ethnicities, Tatars and Bashkirs, is little different from the national average; and that Russia’s Muslims are far less religious than their counterparts in the Middle East and Western Europe alike).

In fact, sometimes I wonder if Goble really works for the CIA/Azerbaijan, or Russian Slavophile nationalists. He is certainly willing to cite the propaganda of the latter when it suits his purposes.

3. Now what about the imminent AIDS apocalypse, that will further decimate the ranks of Russia’s vodka-swilling, impotent hordes, making them too sick and too few to prevent Russia from disintegrating “into as many as 30 pieces by the middle of this century” (March 2009)? In his ominous-sounding article February 2009 article Russia’s HIV/AIDS Epidemic Enters New and More Dangerous Phase, Goble wrote:

In his briefing yesterday, Onishchenko did not provide much context for the numbers he reported. But in an interview with “Nauka i zhizn’,” Boris Denisov, a demographer at Moscow State University, suggested that figures like those Onishchenko provides are more disturbing than the public health chief in fact suggested (http://www.nkj.ru/archive/articles/15097/). …

The Moscow State researcher pointed to three aspects of the situation which suggest Russia has reached the tipping point regarding HIV/AIDS and that the epidemic is likely to result in an increasingly large number of deaths, something that will have a serious impact on the over-all demographic picture of that country.

First and foremost, 63 percent of the new cases in the Russian Federation last year were the result of sexual contact rather than intravenous drug use, a pattern that means the disease has now passed into the general population where it may spread more slowly but could potentially touch far more people and where an increasing share of its victims will be women.

This Eurasia “expert” can’t even copy from his Russian sources correctly. If you look at the source Goble cites, what Denisov actually said was that 63% of new FEMALE infections came from sexual contact in 2007, whereas 34% of OVERALL new infections came from heterosexual contact. If he’s so wrong on such basic facts, why should we have to listen to anything he says on Russia’s AIDS problem?

4. And it goes on and on. One of his most amusing/ridiculous articles was about how Putin was starving his miserable subjects (December 2009):

After seeing an improvement in caloric consumption since the 1990s, Russians are again consuming an average of only 2550 calories a day, an amount comparable to the amount provided by the diet given German POWs in Soviet camps at the end of 1941 and one that casts a shadow on that country’s demographic future. …

“According to the estimates of international experts,” the Russian leader said in striking language, “if the population goes hungry for two or more generations, a situation that in fact is quite characteristic for a large group of countries, then processes of physiological and intellectual degradation at the genetic level arise.”

What a load of claptrap even by Goble’s dismal standards. First, the recommended caloric intake for not very active adult men is around 2500 and around 2000 for adult women. Averaging it and taking into account children and the elderly, and the optimal for a nation where most people do office jobs is around 2100-2200 calories. In this respect Russia is far better off at its quoted 2550 calories, than the US is at 3700.

This is not to deny that there are problems. During crisis-wracked 2009, some 10% of Russians had difficulty buying food – slightly up from 9% in 2008, but massively down from the glorious prosperity of 1998-99, when some 36% of Russians could barely afford this privilege. (Incidentally, in the “free” Ukraine of 2009, the hungry indigent made up 35% of the population – i.e., the same as Russia ten years ago!).

But it gets worse. I simply have no words to describe the sheer inanity of the comparison between 2009 Russia and 1941 German POW’s. Really – how the fuck can he even take himself seriously after writing shit like this? Unless he means to say that during the 1990’s, when Russia’s economic policies were directed by a neoliberal cabal from Washington and many people really did go hungry, Yeltsin’s government treated Russians worse than Stalin treated soldiers who were fighting a war of extermination against Russians. So is Goble also a crypto-Stalinist, or just an asinine idiot?

(Not that Medvedev is the sharpest tool in the box either, if he actually spewed that insane drivel about genetic degradation. Since most of humanity has spent 99.9%+ of its entire history at near-subsistence levels of food consumption, why the hell isn’t everyone intellectually degraded like Goble or Medvedev?)

And the same shit goes on and on, Goble’s never-ending Groundhog Den’. All of Russia’s negatives are made apocalyptic, all its positives made into negatives.

Two examples of the latter. Take his befuddling assertion that the “Russian Federation will be more profoundly and negatively affected by global warming over the next 40 years than will any other country”. Come again? Sure the melting of Siberian permafrost might collapse a few buildings and fuck up some gas pipelines, but ALL serious analyses of global warming suggest that Russia will suffer FAR LESS than almost all other nations in a warmer world, and may even make big bank under moderate warming as its agriculture expands into Siberia, new energy and mineral deposits become accessible, and the Arctic becomes the world’s major trade region.

Second example. Medvedev declared a need for modernization and more accountability, and guess what – Russia is therefore a failing, decrepit state about to embark on perestroika 2.0! Ok, if you want (superficial) historical comparisons for Putvedev’s Russia, you could justify making it with Stolypin’s reforms, with Peter the Great’s “revolution from above”, even with the “Great Break” of 1929 if you’re feeling really bold and unafraid of being accused of reducing everything in Russian politics to Stalin. But the late 1980’s = today = WTF? Back then, the Soviet state truly was in a profound state of “imperial overstretch”, its citizens were disillusioned, and its mounting fiscal obligations were outrunning the resources and foreign currency at its disposal. Today’s Russia is a confident, rising Power, its elites are united, and a firm and consistent majority of Russians uphold the Putin system of illiberal statism (and if anything the main complaint you will hear from them is not that there is too much illiberality and statism, but too little!). Given such a tectonic shift in the very foundations of the Russian state during the past two decades, such vapid analogizing is superficial in the extreme, and indicative of an ideological decrepitude amongst the neocons that is every bit as profound as the one which afflicted the late Soviet Union.

So what is Goble’s game? He seems to be genuine in his bizarre beliefs – for instance, in an interview shortly after the 2008 South Ossetia War, he stated that Russia’s “illegal” violation of Georgia’s borders is “not in the interest of continued existence of the Russian Federation”, which will lead to “a more authoritarian and hence a more unstable and poor Russia in the future”. (Of course, how letting regional upstarts like Saakashvili rip off chunks from Russia’s southern underbelly would HELP the continued existence of the Russian Federation is not at all clear). Nonetheless, this kind of analysis seems highly favored by the lowest common denominator in the Russia-watching world – Paul Goble is, at least according to the number of tags assigned to him (“43 topics” at the time of this article’s writing), is the most popular outside authority at the infamous hate blog La Russophobe. He is also highly regarded at his former place of employment, the corrupt Radio Liberty.

Why? All these institutions are, in some way, and whether they realize it or not, pursuing a script first written in 1918 Poland – the Promethean Project to break up Russia and forever forestall its reemergence. What few of them realize is that 1) they are utterly ineffectual in this endeavor, and 2) their overt Russophobia, and close association with Russia’s “liberal” West-worshiping ass-lickers, ACTUALLY REINFORCES THE VERY SIEGE MENTALITY that the Kremlin shares with ordinary Russians. In other words, the lies and double standards espoused by people like Goble strengthen the very same “retrogressive” tendencies in Russia that they profess to loathe.
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: Moscow conference draws fascists, neo-Confederates, left

Postby Elvis » Tue Apr 07, 2015 7:47 pm

American Dream » Tue Apr 07, 2015 1:42 pm wrote:Which of his particular assertions regarding the conference and its attendees do you dispute, Elvis?


I think the two articles about Goble posted above by SLAD (which contain many links in the originals) say it all, but I'll add that I am not disputing discrete assertions made in the "Russia Hosts..." article you posted, which might only be objectionable for Goble's enormous hipocrisy. Whether or not his reputation for being "fact-challenged" applies to the article, I'd have to say that, at the least, it stretches the truth.

The real point is, aren't you doing exactly what you so urgently and frequently warn against?: embracing right-wing, fascist-leaning sources and arguments to drive home a political point or appeal to misled leftists?

If we're going to start taking Paul Goble seriously around here -- Paul Goble the practioner-now-apologist/propagandist for the clearly authoritarian/fascist military-industrial-intelligence complex -- we'll soon be belly to belly with US foreign policy goals, and worse, in a virtual lip-lock with the neocon, fascist, Islamophobic, kleptocratic empire-lovers whom we all 'despise.' Because that's what Paul Goble supports. I almost have to ask again -- is that what you support? Now, I know you don't support that, so I'm just very surprised you cite its exponent with no qualification.

I could post a page of writing by David Icke that we could all agree with -- that's not hard to find in his large body of writing -- but wouldn't you be among the first to wave a hand and reply, "But! but! but! -- we must keep in mind that David Icke is associated with a lot of dodgy characters and ideas fostered by the racist right" and so on etc.? I think most experienced posters on RI would preface posting of a David Icke article with something of a caveat, "Hey I know this is David Icke, but here he makes some key points worth considering." I didn't see any such caveat or disclaimer posted with your Paul Goble piece.

Did you bother to check the source? Or did you not care, as long as it bolstered the claim that liberals and "Putin lovers" are in bed with fascists? And why nary a word, comparatively, about the US machinations that started this mess? -- about the real fascists holding the real power?

I asked a lot of questions there, and by all means don't feel obligated to answer each of them. But please think about them before littering RI with more reports by such MIC propagandists as Paul Goble.
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Re: Moscow conference draws fascists, neo-Confederates, left

Postby American Dream » Tue Apr 07, 2015 8:22 pm

Elvis » Tue Apr 07, 2015 6:47 pm wrote:
...I am not disputing discrete assertions made in the "Russia Hosts..." article you posted, which might only be objectionable for Goble's enormous hipocrisy.

...Did you bother to check the source?


Sounds like you are saying that the claims made about the conference in St. Petersburg are essentially valid. An agreement with that assessment is the main reason I posted the article.

I found it earlier today on a list entitled "Some interesting things i read in March" recently posted by Kersplebedeb a radical publisher from Montreal. While I did read the article, I did not bother to investigate the author at that time due to the busyness of that moment. To the best of my knowledge it describes real events that really did occur.

If you care to, you can search my posts for terms such as "Imperialism" or "Colonialism" paired with "United States" and/or "CIA" and/or "State Department" and/or "NATO" and/or "GLADIO". It should be pretty obvious that if I had known who the author was, I would have searched to find a different source of information on this topic, even though I personally believe that as a critical thinker I can read from sources I am suspicious of- say The New York Times or The Washington Post, for example- and still gain useful insights into world happenings.
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Re: Moscow conference draws fascists, neo-Confederates, left

Postby Searcher08 » Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:17 am

American Dream » Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:22 am wrote:
Elvis » Tue Apr 07, 2015 6:47 pm wrote:
...I am not disputing discrete assertions made in the "Russia Hosts..." article you posted, which might only be objectionable for Goble's enormous hipocrisy.

...Did you bother to check the source?


Sounds like you are saying that the claims made about the conference in St. Petersburg are essentially valid. An agreement with that assessment is the main reason I posted the article.

I found it earlier today on a list entitled "Some interesting things i read in March" recently posted by Kersplebedeb a radical publisher from Montreal. While I did read the article, I did not bother to investigate the author at that time due to the busyness of that moment. To the best of my knowledge it describes real events that really did occur.

If you care to, you can search my posts for terms such as "Imperialism" or "Colonialism" paired with "United States" and/or "CIA" and/or "State Department" and/or "NATO" and/or "GLADIO". It should be pretty obvious that if I had known who the author was, I would have searched to find a different source of information on this topic, even though I personally believe that as a critical thinker I can read from sources I am suspicious of- say The New York Times or The Washington Post, for example- and still gain useful insights into world happenings.


Hilarious, you assume privilege that you extend only to yourself. More exceptionalism.
YOU can read and post from dodgy sources with aplomb, but should anyone else post from a source YOU dont like, this is seen as forever beyond the pale and grounds for witch-hunting.

There is no evidence that you are a critical thinker around events in Russia and Ukraine.

In fact quite the opposite, you act as a very *uncritical* relay station for talking points from the Nuland / Soros / Gobel / State Department / Globalist camp, as you have done with this article. You could have framed the post by saying you did not check the source, OR you could have posted it in DataDump, but no... WE are expected to check the source and then provide YOU with an update. :clown

Your comments are hilariously disingenuous. Attempting to score propaganda points from the off by assuming Elvis *agrees* with the article, when he said nothing of the sort. You have consistently attacked anyone here who posted any article from people off YOUR Orthodoxy list and consistently smeared anyone who tried to discuss subjects in the way you allude to. Please have a custard pie on me. Seriously, your reply would get my award for the "Most Self-delusional Post" in the history of General Discussion at R.I.

Something of a Grand Canyon-sized gap between what one says one espouses and what one actually posts.

So glad to have become familiar with how to spot and fight this type of low quality passive-aggressive high-noise information jamming. Search RI for 'Frank Luntz' and 'hasbara'. Or "anti-Semite witch-hunt" Or "Othering" Same ol' exceptionalist shinola.
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