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Jerky » Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:16 am wrote:Oh, sure, AD. I wouldn't argue that point.
I kind of tend to include Islamophobia as a form of racism, and separate out anti-Semitism as a "special case", particularly in reference to the world of conspiracy theorizing, where anti-Semitism inarguably looms so much larger than all the other anti-ism's, in sheer volume, if nothing else.
82_28 » Sat Feb 28, 2015 6:49 pm wrote:[quote="[url=http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?p=563047#p563047]
OH MY FUCKING GOD! That shit made my nostrils flare in fact. They're still flaring. I really don't know what to say other then it seems like they're taking the liberal position in DELIVERY! Some clear eyed person could just read that fucking shit and go, OK, I see now. It makes me sick to my fucking stomach. These nazis need to be taken to task every step of the way.
That's the thing. They're getting more astute in the DELIVERY. God damn fuck. Really? Now we have this to deal with? Of course we can run circles around them as far as their cultic hatreds, but they would never read our words nor hear our voices. I think we're beyond gone.
I was sitting next to an older black man on the bus yesterday he had a little baby girl on his lap and we got to talking about not seeing "race". Vice versa. Some joker came to him and asked him if he was some sorta something or another and he said no, he was Muslim. I just laughed because it was totally stupid and made eye contact and asked "what the fuck was that about?". He asked what "race" I was and I just said, "yours". Blah blah blah. I finally relented and said I am "german/scottish" -- which I guess is right. But I don't fucking know. . .
Particularly in reference to racism, I ask why is lots of other stuff is now stuffed under that category, stuff that has nothing to do with race. It just makes an unwieldy subject that does nothing more that pleasing those who like to juggle words, it also makes the issue much harder to combat.
Searcher08 » Sun Mar 01, 2015 12:13 pm wrote:@jakellParticularly in reference to racism, I ask why is lots of other stuff is now stuffed under that category, stuff that has nothing to do with race. It just makes an unwieldy subject that does nothing more that pleasing those who like to juggle words, it also makes the issue much harder to combat.
What, specifically, are you saying is "stuffed in that category that has nothing to do with race"?
@Jerky
What is your evidence base for your assertion that anti-Semitism is much more prevalent than Islamophobia? Have you seen the movie "Defamation" about the ADL? Thoughts?
Jerky » Sun Mar 01, 2015 10:35 pm wrote:I think I was pretty clear in my post.
I separate anti-Semitism from plain old racism - in this discussion, particularly - because it is, as I wrote, a "special case" in terms of conspiracy theory and political alternative thought (the very purpose for of this board's existence).
I didn't think I would need to explain why that was to THIS audience, and frankly, I still don't. It should be obvious to anyone with even just a passing, glancing knowledge of the history of alternative political thought that anti-Semitism has played a HUGE role, historically, and still does (though it seems to be getting shuffled aside in favor of more vague "Illuminati" theories in recent years).
For more information on this topic, please consult Wikipedia. Or Google. The information is not hidden at all. It's available.
J
However, if anybody still needs
Jerky » Sun Mar 01, 2015 10:35 pm wrote:I think I was pretty clear in my post.
I separate anti-Semitism from plain old racism - in this discussion, particularly - because it is, as I wrote, a "special case" in terms of conspiracy theory and political alternative thought (the very purpose for of this board's existence).
I didn't think I would need to explain why that was to THIS audience, and frankly, I still don't. It should be obvious to anyone with even just a passing, glancing knowledge of the history of alternative political thought that anti-Semitism has played a HUGE role, historically, and still does (though it seems to be getting shuffled aside in favor of more vague "Illuminati" theories in recent years).
For more information on this topic, please consult Wikipedia. Or Google. The information is not hidden at all. It's available.
J
However, if anybody still needs
jakell » Mon Mar 02, 2015 12:07 am wrote:Jerky » Sun Mar 01, 2015 10:35 pm wrote:I think I was pretty clear in my post.
I separate anti-Semitism from plain old racism - in this discussion, particularly - because it is, as I wrote, a "special case" in terms of conspiracy theory and political alternative thought (the very purpose for of this board's existence).
I didn't think I would need to explain why that was to THIS audience, and frankly, I still don't. It should be obvious to anyone with even just a passing, glancing knowledge of the history of alternative political thought that anti-Semitism has played a HUGE role, historically, and still does (though it seems to be getting shuffled aside in favor of more vague "Illuminati" theories in recent years).
For more information on this topic, please consult Wikipedia. Or Google. The information is not hidden at all. It's available.
J
However, if anybody still needs
What I was getting at is that antisemitism doesn't need to be separated out from racism because it doesn't belong there in the first place; the Jews are not a race. It's one of those conflations that make the word 'racism' increasingly useless (apart from scaring folks that is).
Searcher08 » Sun Mar 01, 2015 7:23 pm wrote:Doesn't this come down to what 'race' is defined as?
And my first thought is that race is now a pretty useless concept.
I don't know if we can say the Jews are not a race; some Jewish people I know consider it a matter of culture, others their religion, some a mixture of some or all.
Some Jewish people I know refer to themselves (with tongue in cheek) as MOT - a member of the tribe.
BrandonD » Mon Mar 02, 2015 12:29 am wrote:Searcher08 » Sun Mar 01, 2015 7:23 pm wrote:Doesn't this come down to what 'race' is defined as?
And my first thought is that race is now a pretty useless concept.
I don't know if we can say the Jews are not a race; some Jewish people I know consider it a matter of culture, others their religion, some a mixture of some or all.
Some Jewish people I know refer to themselves (with tongue in cheek) as MOT - a member of the tribe.
The hand of the illuminati at work?
Searcher08 » Mon Mar 02, 2015 12:23 am wrote:jakell » Mon Mar 02, 2015 12:07 am wrote:Jerky » Sun Mar 01, 2015 10:35 pm wrote:I think I was pretty clear in my post.
I separate anti-Semitism from plain old racism - in this discussion, particularly - because it is, as I wrote, a "special case" in terms of conspiracy theory and political alternative thought (the very purpose for of this board's existence).
I didn't think I would need to explain why that was to THIS audience, and frankly, I still don't. It should be obvious to anyone with even just a passing, glancing knowledge of the history of alternative political thought that anti-Semitism has played a HUGE role, historically, and still does (though it seems to be getting shuffled aside in favor of more vague "Illuminati" theories in recent years).
For more information on this topic, please consult Wikipedia. Or Google. The information is not hidden at all. It's available.
J
However, if anybody still needs
What I was getting at is that antisemitism doesn't need to be separated out from racism because it doesn't belong there in the first place; the Jews are not a race. It's one of those conflations that make the word 'racism' increasingly useless (apart from scaring folks that is).
Doesn't this come down to what 'race' is defined as?
And my first thought is that race is now a pretty useless concept.
I don't know if we can say the Jews are not a race; some Jewish people I know consider it a matter of culture, others their religion, some a mixture of some or all.
Some Jewish people I know refer to themselves (with tongue in cheek) as MOT - a member of the tribe.
jakell » Sun Mar 01, 2015 1:12 pm wrote:
Because 'race' is a thorny issue, I try not to alter it from how it is generally perceived by regular folks and ignoring the talking heads, ie more or less the same level of recognisence that racists apply, and disregarding the personal spin they put on it.....
Nazi Sympathy and Racism in Alt Media, Roundtable discussion with Thomas Sheridan, Tom Secker, Adam and Aaron, TRR#121
Tuesday, 03 March 2015 03:41
This is a special roundtable discussion featuring Thomas Sheridan, Tom Secker, and Adam of Themes and Memes. Aaron Franz hosts, and the topic at hand is the rise of Race Politics in the alternative media. Why is it that alt media has taken such a dark turn, and what can the rest of us do about it?
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elfismiles » 02 Mar 2015 20:47 wrote:Not sure if I should put this in another or its own thread ... maybe a "Shooting Sprees that Didn't Happen" thread or ... idiots who shore up the "crazy conspiracy theorist" or "racist conspiracy theorist" memes.
How a Father With a Twitter Account Stopped a White Supremacist Terrorist from Shooting a Bunch of School Kids
9/11 truther spewed terrifying and hateful threats, and one dad could not let it go.
By Paul Rosenberg / Salon
March 2, 2015
http://www.alternet.org/media/how-fathe ... chool-kids
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