Methodical Illusion: 9/11, Zakheim, Ptech, Daniel Lewin, etc

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Methodical Illusion: 9/11, Zakheim, Ptech, Daniel Lewin, etc

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:03 am

Kind of shocked that there's no mention of this yet here at RI.

Rebekah Roth is a retired flight attendant with over thirty years of experience. She recently wrote a book called Methodical Illusion, which is a fictional account of what she believes really happened on 9/11. She basically puts together a lot of the pieces that we're already aware of, but she does so with the authority of someone with inside knowledge.

She proposes the following:

1. The planes were taken over by Dov Zakheim's (Pentagon Comptroller when the 2.3 trillion dollars was reported missing on 9/10/01) Flight Termination System, and landed at an air base 20 minutes outside of Boston. Apparently, the Flight Termination system disables all cockpit controls, including the pilot's ability to squawk 7500 to alert ATC to a hijacking. It also disables communications between the cockpit and the crew, between the crew and the ground, and also disables the transponder.

2. Once each plane's transponder was disabled by the Flight Termination system, false radar blips were inserted (via Ptech/wargames) so that the Air Traffic Controllers still believed that the flights were in the air.

3. After landing, a few people were taken off of each plane and forced to make the famous (impossible) cell phone calls.

4. All of the passengers and crew members were gassed in the planes, on the ground. DNA was extracted from the bodies and then used to identify victims at the supposed scenes of the crashes.

5. The planes were flown out of the air base at night, retrofitted as military refueling tankers via Zakheim's other business dealings, and sold to foreign militaries.

6. Missiles, and/or retrofitted military 767's were used for the strikes at the towers and the Pentagram.

Lots more. Have a listen here:


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Re: Methodical Illusion - Zakheim, Ptech, Daniel Lewin, etc

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:06 am

THANKS!!

The planes were taken over by Dov Zakheim's Flight Termination system,


ABSOLUTELY
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Before the final flight on December 1, 1984, more then four years of effort passed trying to set-up final impact conditions considered survivable by the FAA. During those years while 14 flights with crews were flown the following major efforts were underway: NASA Dryden developed the remote piloting techniques necessary for the B-720 to fly as a drone aircraft; General Electric installed and tested four degraders (one on each engine); and the FAA refined AMK (blending, testing, and fueling a full size aircraft). The 14 flights had 9 takeoffs, 13 landings and around 69 approaches, to about 150 feet above the prepared crash site, under remote control. "
http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Photo/ ... index.html


17. He did find $28 million dollars to give to Israel for automatic gear
Zakheim, an Orthodox Jew who defines himself as a friend of Israel, speaks as though he knows exactly where the problem is to be found, and what to do about it. The problem, as far as he's concerned, is the settlements, and the solution is to negotiate an agreement, the sooner the better.

"I think Israel has in the past three years lost a strategic opportunity to make progress with the Palestinians," he said, seated in his new, Washington area office as vice president of the large consulting firm Booz-Allen-Hamilton. "The right approach is to say, `look, we have a White House that supports us, we have a president who cares about Israel's security and whom we trust. Now, using that as a strength, what need we do to solve the Palestinian issue."

Zakheim's last visit to Israel was in March, a short time before he left his post as Defense Department Comptroller. This visit, like preceding trips in recent years, made Zakheim feel uneasy. "Every time I go to Israel it looks dirtier than before," he complained. "Jerusalem is a disgrace to look at. Each time I go there it looks more and more like a garbage can."

Zakheim's grievances are not limited to aesthetics. He believes Israel's situation is deteriorating in all respects because of its investment in settlements. "You're taking money out of education, money out of welfare, money out of jobs, money out of infrastructure, and pouring it into the West Bank," he said. "Israel's society is suffering a lot as a result of the settlements."

"Pat Buchanan, in my view, is an anti-Semite," said Zakheim. "I'm sorry, but you cannot keep saying what he says, and say he's not an anti-Semite. He is an anti-Semite. I know one when I see one."

Israelis who worked with Zakheim are full of praise for his professionalism. Though he always upheld American interests, they say, he had a warm place in his heart for Israel and he did as much as he could to help. For instance, after the start of the intifada, when it became clear that Israel's police force lacked equipment to defuse bombs, Zakheim found funds, and arranged a transfer of $28 million for automatic gear used by sappers. Zakheim is proud of his close relations with many Israelis - recently his son was married in Jerusalem, but at the time, a stepson who went on a photo-shoot in Hebron was beaten by settlers.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/441712.html
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REMEMBER THIS NORDIC?

How many here know who Dov Zackheim is?

Why not go into the remote control issue? Dov the CEO of SPC


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Re: Methodical Illusion - Zakheim, Ptech, Daniel Lewin, etc

Postby zangtang » Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:35 am

shall listen to that presently - suspect the book may go straight onto the wishlist.

already wondering if she covers the unusually low passenger numbers on those particular flights on that day?
- i've always suspected that someone somewhere was managing to restrict the bookings/ divert customers to different flights
- perhaps a good person caught in a shitty game they couldn't stop?
- mebe just another operative reducing the number of potential loose ends.
swear to hellanbach for the 1st couple of years there was talk of a 5th plane hijacked but not reported....or takeoff cancelled.....or something
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Re: Methodical Illusion - Zakheim, Ptech, Daniel Lewin, etc

Postby Elvis » Mon Mar 23, 2015 12:03 pm

zangtang » Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:35 am wrote:
already wondering if she covers the unusually low passenger numbers on those particular flights on that day?
- i've always suspected that someone somewhere was managing to restrict the bookings/ divert customers to different flights



She does cover that: yes, bookings were kept low by fucking with the reservations system.


Bruce, thanks for posting this; I listened pretty closely to her 3-hour radio interview on "Coast to Coast AM" the other night (and was impressed enough to want to post here myself about it but didn't get to it). She knows her stuff and builds a very rational case. Her long career as a flight attendant and steward brings some important perspectives to the issues. Among other things, she's done a good job of analyzing the whole phone calls thing. Also, I suspected very early on after 9/11 that the planes were all switched out, and she covers that quite well, too. I see room for variations from her scenaria but she ties things together remarkable well.

I was a little disappointed to hear her use a phrase like 'that's what the Illuminati do', but I gather that's just her name for 'the octopus' and overall she is good at keeping her arguments fact-based.
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Re: Methodical Illusion - Zakheim, Ptech, Daniel Lewin, etc

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Mon Mar 23, 2015 12:12 pm

Elvis » Mon Mar 23, 2015 12:03 pm wrote:
zangtang » Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:35 am wrote:
already wondering if she covers the unusually low passenger numbers on those particular flights on that day?
- i've always suspected that someone somewhere was managing to restrict the bookings/ divert customers to different flights



She does cover that: yes, bookings were kept low by fucking with the reservations system.


Bruce, thanks for posting this; I listened pretty closely to her 3-hour radio interview on "Coast to Coast AM" the other night (and was impressed enough to want to post here myself about it but didn't get to it). She knows her stuff and builds a very rational case. Her long career as a flight attendant and steward brings some important perspectives to the issues. Among other things, she's done a good job of analyzing the whole phone calls thing. Also, I suspected very early on after 9/11 that the planes were all switched out, and she covers that quite well, too. I see room for variations from her scenaria but she ties things together remarkable well.

I was a little disappointed to hear her use a phrase like 'that's what the Illuminati do', but I gather that's just her name for 'the octopus' and overall she is good at keeping her arguments fact-based.


This is far more detailed than the Coast to Coast interview, Elvis, and there's no Noory here to steer the interview away from juicy topics, or gazillions of interminable commercial breaks to break the momentum.
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Re: Methodical Illusion - Zakheim, Ptech, Daniel Lewin, etc

Postby 82_28 » Mon Mar 23, 2015 1:02 pm

Good to see you again, Bruce!

That's basically my theory going way back as well. My brother is an airline pilot and he has sorta backed me up over the years as we've talked about it. He knows how this shit works.

Here's another one that I have brought up many a time here and elsewhere, but how the fuck do we know anybody was on those planes at all? I remember some Seinfeld writer or something and another "luminary" -- I forget. But I immediately questioned whether or not the manifests were real in all flights. One would have thought that we would have heard a whole hell of a lot more from the families of those on the flights -- if they indeed existed. One would think! Yet we largely have not. We got the spurious "let's roll" guy, the passport of a terrorist in a city built of passports and that's just about it as far as the airliners.

This ain't about anything I have to say, but it sorta resembles the "phantom time hypothesis". Hiding shit in plain sight because people will never think to question the most obvious reasons for shit.
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Re: Methodical Illusion - Zakheim, Ptech, Daniel Lewin, etc

Postby Elvis » Mon Mar 23, 2015 1:18 pm

Bruce Dazzling wrote:This is far more detailed than the Coast to Coast interview, Elvis, and there's no Noory here to steer the interview away from juicy topics, or gazillions of interminable commercial breaks to break the momentum.


Thanks, and yeah I was going to say, "3 hours" on C2C is probably only about one hour or less of actual guest.

Been feeling sort of "done" with 9/11, but this woman has put things together cogently enough that this is worth passing around.
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Re: Methodical Illusion: 9/11, Zakheim, Ptech, Daniel Lewin,

Postby operator kos » Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:44 pm

Although I find remote control to be a believable hypothesis, the rest seems like overly elaborate BS. Why would you do ANY of that if you could just remote control the planes into their targets with the passengers on board? And "no plane at the Pentagon" has been debunked from within the movement time and time again...

http://oilempire.us/pentagon.html
http://oilempire.us/no-plane-timeline.html
http://stj911.org/legge/Legge_Chandler_NOC_Refutation.html
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Re: Methodical Illusion: 9/11, Zakheim, Ptech, Daniel Lewin,

Postby KUAN » Mon Mar 23, 2015 8:12 pm

Love RI - not whether but HOW. ^^^ Fair enough but could all cellphone calls etc have been done inflight? If orchestrated, it seems to me that any scenario is on the table
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Re: Methodical Illusion: 9/11, Zakheim, Ptech, Daniel Lewin,

Postby solace » Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:01 am

“…Because they have been such a trusted ally of our nation, they have infiltrated our media, the Federal Reserve, the banking system and they control most of the lobbyists that manipulate far too many of our politicians. They also control most of the campaign contributions as well as both political parties…their complete control over the media is going to be very problematic for us.”

https://jhaines6.wordpress.com/2015/02/ ... arratives/

Great, another nutty antisemitic Truther. Some people just can't get enough of that shit.
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Re: Methodical Illusion: 9/11, Zakheim, Ptech, Daniel Lewin,

Postby Grizzly » Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:21 am

Maybe there's an app for that...

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/3 ... ad_245_us/

Well, until they infiltrate that too...

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Re: Methodical Illusion: 9/11, Zakheim, Ptech, Daniel Lewin,

Postby Nordic » Tue Mar 24, 2015 1:53 am

Wow, I actually assumed this was an old but recently bumped thread, seeing Bruce's name on it.

Hi Bruce! Welcome back!

I will definitely be checking this out when I can. Thanks for posting it.

The planes were definitely remotely controlled, basically smart missiles. My dad told me years before 911 how jetliners could be remotely programmed to fly and land anywhere with an extreme level of accuracy (he worked in top secret weapons development). It is clear that even a patsy pilot couldn't possibly have done this, full speed with pin point accuracy with suicidal intent and a cargo of screaming hysterical passengers. And of course the first eyewitnesses who all reported they were not commercial airliners.
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Re: Methodical Illusion: 9/11, Zakheim, Ptech, Daniel Lewin,

Postby Elvis » Tue Mar 24, 2015 3:26 am

Nordic » Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:53 pm wrote:And of course the first eyewitnesses who all reported they were not commercial airliners.


This is one reason that, while a friend and I were watching TV news coverage on Spetember 11, 2001, he turned to me and said, "It's good to watch this now, before stories get changed and stuff disappears."

Rebekah Roth does clear up what was originally reported about the appearance of at least the 2nd plane at WTC. Once again, the early impressions keep coming back, poking through the fog of disinfo. After you get a chance to listen to her, I'll be interested in your take, Nordic.


Also,

Grizzly wrote:Maybe there's an app for that...

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/3 ... ad_245_us/


Wow, Jen Briney is pretty awesome, even inspiring, thanks for posting that, Grizzly. Worth reading her reddit Q&A.

I'm tempted to help her out by comparing the language in passed legislation to the wording used in ALEC's corresponding 'suggested' bill.

Here's her poscast site: http://www.congressionaldish.com/
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Re: Methodical Illusion: 9/11, Zakheim, Ptech, Daniel Lewin,

Postby Sounder » Tue Mar 24, 2015 7:15 am

solace wrote:Great, another nutty antisemitic Truther. Some people just can't get enough of that shit.



Yes, but you must admit solace, that your use of 'antisemitic' is as a poison pill and thought stopper.

So maybe this really is a (heavy) rock that needs to be looked under.

I imagine that some looking under the rock truly are racist, (I don't know in this case), but it would be irresponsible to look away because of that fact.

I mean, we are not sheeple here, are we? :wink:
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Re: Methodical Illusion: 9/11, Zakheim, Ptech, Daniel Lewin,

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