TRUMP is seriously dangerous

[seemslikeadream]

Seven (or So) Calm Takeaways from Trump's Mad Tantrum in Trump Tower
1. If you are fighting to prevent a statue of Robert E. Lee from being taken down, you are, in fact, a white supremacist. Trump said today of Charlottesville that there were "very fine people...in that group that were there to protest the taking down, of to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name." No, you are not a very fine person. You support the Confederacy and slavery, which is what Robert E. Lee fought for. By definition, you are not "very fine." This is not difficult.

2. Trump said, "It looked like they had some rough, bad people, neo-Nazis, white nationalists, whatever you want to call ‘em. But you had a lot of people in that group that were there to innocently protest and very legally protest." If you march with neo-Nazis and chant racist things with white nationalists, it doesn't matter how legal your protest is. You are still a Nazi. You are still a white nationalist. And, legal march or not, you should be scorned. Not scorning them is supporting them.

3. Trump said, "Many of those people were there to protest the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. So this week, it’s Robert E. Lee, I noticed that Stonewall Jackson’s coming down. I wonder, is it George Washington next week? And is it Thomas Jefferson the week after. You know, you really do have to ask yourself, where does it stop?" George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were slaveowners. They also helped create the United States which led to the freeing of the slaves. It's complicated, and, yes, we should have a discussion of their place in our understanding of history. Robert E. Lee was a slaveowner who, as I said above, fought so that a country of seceded states could keep slaves. The same goes for Stonewall Jackson. Lee and Jackson are not equal to Washington and Jefferson just like Donald Trump is not worth a hair on Abraham Lincoln's balls.

3a. Could we clone Lincoln from a hair on his balls? Just thinking out loud here.

4. In the same way, both sides of the Charlottesville conflict were not equal, despite Trump's insistence that they were. Yes, there was violence from the counterprotesters, but nothing like the violence from the "innocently" protesting racists, including, you know, murder. And, not to get redundant here, but one side was Nazis. The other side was against Nazis. To say "there is blame on both sides" is to say that Nazis are the same as not-Nazis. If you cannot say that not-Nazis are objectively better than Nazis, you have nothing useful to add to any conversation.

5. Trump said that Friday night's tiki-torch protest was done "very quietly." Many pictures from the event show white men and a few white women yelling or chanting. It is patently false to say it was quiet. And if they weren't chanting, they were making the Nazi salute, which is louder than just about any noise.

6. If I were John McCain, I'd be looking out for polonium in my tea. When a McCain comment was brought up, Trump gritted his teeth and said, "Senator McCain? Senator McCain. You mean the one that voted against Obamacare? Who is Senator McCain? You mean Senator McCain who voted against us getting good health care?" He sounded stabby. Also, if I were John McCain, I'd think nothing of using my last year or so on earth to destroy the dangerous man who mocked my imprisonment and torture.

6a. If anyone know who these supposed rational Republicans are, now would be a good time for them to reveal themselves. Hopefully, the denouncement are rolling in, or we're in deep, deep trouble.

7. Anyone who can watch that press conference and not think that we are being led by a deranged, out-of-control racist is someone who will never be convinced about Trump's unfitness for office. Which means we should be seeing a New York Times article about those people in the next day or so.

7a. Obviously, everything Trump said yesterday was a lie, but we already realised that.

7b. We knew we were in scary territory with Trump. We are now living the beginning of a dystopian TV series. It's up to us to make sure it's canceled before it gets renewed for another season.
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‘Mob links’ killed Trump’s casino bid
Donald Trump at one of his Atlantic City casinos in 1990. Picture: Getty Images

The Australian12:00AM August 16, 2017

@TessaAkerman

MICHAEL MCKENNA

Reporter
Brisbane
@McKennaattheOz

TROY BRAMSTON

Senior writer
Sydney
@TroyBramston

Donald Trump’s plan to build and operate Sydney’s first casino was killed off in 1987 by the NSW government on the back of a high-level police report that warned against the now-US President’s bid because of his “mafia ­connections’’.

The secret report by the NSW Police Board into the suitability of tenderers for the inner-city ­Darling Harbour casino project cautioned that it would be “dangerous’’ to go ahead with Mr Trump’s joint venture with the Queensland-based Kern Corporation, headed by the late developer Barry Paul.

Documents show that the ­Unsworth Labor cabinet met in May 1987 to discuss the assessment of the four tenderers for the project, which also included a fin­ancial report that concluded Mr Trump’s consortium had overstated projected revenues from the ­casino.

At the time the Kern-Trump consortium was making its play, Mr Trump owned two ­casinos in Atlantic City — Trump Plaza and Trump’s Castle — and was about to open a third with the Trump Taj Mahal.

Mr Trump had been ­approached by the Kern Corporation — a then successful developer of shopping centres, with strong ties to superannuation funds — to front and operate the casino.

Cabinet minutes from May 4, 1987, contain a summary of the Police Board’s position and show they considered the Kern/Trump bid to be unacceptable. “Atlantic City would be a dubious model for Sydney and in our judgment, the Trump mafia connections should exclude the Kern/Trump consortium,” the report concluded.

The documents show cabinet considered casino bids from three other companies: Australian Federal Hotels and Sabemo; Malaysia’s Genting Berhad with Civil and Civic; and Hong Kong Macau Sydney consortium.


The Police Board investigation cautioned against all the bidders — except Genting — which were then eliminated from the tender for the project, later abandoned.

“The board is firmly of the view that on tests of sound repute, probity and integrity, none of the three consortia discussed above (HKMS, Kern/Trump, Federal/Resort/Sabemo) can be considered acceptable; indeed each would be dangerous,” the Police Board found.

A retired businessman ­involved in the bid — and who originally met with Mr Trump in New York to negotiate the joint venture — last night said he was unaware of the findings of the police probity check. “All of us had to undergo police investigation; we were told that everyone had to be cleared from a police perspective,’’ he said, before declining to be named.

“The plan was for the Kern Corporation to build the casino, and for Trump to run it because he had the licence and experience in Atlantic City. I was not aware of the police report; it is the first I’ve heard of any mafia connections.’’

Bob Hammond, the then ­recently retired chairman of the Commonwealth Government Superannuation Investment Trust, was also involved in negotiations with Mr Trump and would later be appointed as a director in the consortium.

The NSW Police Board was created following the 1981 Lusher inquiry and consisted of two government appointees and the police commissioner, John Avery.

Mr Trump boasted about his bid for the casino before cabinet reached its decision. “If our design is chosen, it will not only be the largest, but one of the most magnificent, one of the most beautiful hotels anywhere in the world,” he told The Australian in February 1987. A month before the cabinet decision, he pulled out of the cas­ino race but three days later announced he was still a contender.

Cabinet documents also revealed the government-­ordered fin­ancial analysis of the Kern-Trump proposal found problems.


According to the cabinet minutes, a report by Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce Australia found the Kern/Trump proposal was financially viable on the basis that the projected financial structure put forward by Kern/Trump was reasonably based.

“However, the projected casino revenue estimates are not soundly based and the quantum of the ­potential overstatement is so mat­erial that the tender is not financially viable,” the CIBC report found. “Also, the tender is not fin­ancially viable on the basis of expected returns to equity investors.”

Questions about the police report were referred yesterday by the White House to the Trump Organisation, which did not ­respond.

While the police were against the Trump bid, the regulator of the proposed casino — the Casino Control Division of the NSW Treasury — gave the US-Australia consortium the green light. “It is certified that the Trump organisation in the Kern/Trump consortium is acceptable as an ­operator and has the capacity to operate a casino in accordance with the law of NSW and the requirements of the Casino Control Division of the Treasury,’’ it said in its report.

In June 1986, the Wran government approved a casino to be built and operated at Darling Harbour by the Hooker-Harrah ­consort­ium, but a Police Board report uncovered “undesirable dealings” by some executives, and it was scuttled by the Unsworth government.

Former premier Barrie Unsworth, who led the NSW government in 1986-88, said the gov­ernment approached the granting of a new casino licence after the Hooker-Harrah decision with caution. “We had difficulty with the decision made by the Wran government to approve a casino license in the first instance, and then the cabinet of my government had to reverse that decision,’’ he said.

“We had to take special care … about a ­casino license because it was a very sensitive issue.”

Former NSW minister for public works Laurie Brereton, one of the ministers directly involved in the project, said the cabinet documents speak for themselves.

“Ken Booth (the late NSW treasurer) had carriage of it in cabinet,’’ he said. “There were four bodies who had a role in giving advice. Darling Harbour on design and integration into the development. Casino Control was basically a new body to consider probity and this would have been the first task it undertook. (CIBC) would have given independent advice to Treasury. The Police Board had their say to complete the picture. And Ken Booth’s minute speaks for ­itself.”

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/in ... dca4b01e9b

[liminalOyster]

If you are fighting to prevent a statue of Robert E. Lee from being taken down, you are, in fact, a white supremacist.

I am bewildered by the level of reductionism in this sentiment. I don't think all statues of the confederacy should be removed. Not yet at least. I'd far rather see them re-worked or re-engaged by public artists for instance. And I think removing the signifiers that communicate the role white supremacy has played in US history (and our state itself) is very dangerous territory. Happy to be disagreed with roundly but ffs, there are many arguments here to be made by non and anti white supremacists *against* wholesale removal.

Edit: OTOH, the Rhodes Must Fall movement

[seemslikeadream]

Thank you Campbell's Soup


and the President's advisory board has been disbanded

[Iamwhomiam]

They belong, if anywhere, in a museum, right along with the other fossils from our history, not publicly celebrated as heroes. Regardless their folk status, they were all traitors to the United States of America. And that is who they will eternally remain, losers who lost the fight to own and control other humans as "property" in the land where "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

[The Consul]

Trumpco going to acquiesce to tearing down all the old racist traitor statues under the delusion that new ones will soon be built of them. Sessions has been warned no statue for him if he doesn't get it together soon, but is arguing that it isn't really right since he owns no slaves.

[8bitagent]

Some are pointing out that when Trump is cornered, he goes into completely manic push back mode. One has to wonder, now that his presidency is collapsing in a manner
that I did not predict, and with such ferocity, if some think he may distract with a military operation? Afterall he threatened both Venezuela and NK last week

[stillrobertpaulsen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P54sP0Nlngg

This event was truly horrifying, but not surprising. The whole reason I started this thread was because I could see the writing on the wall and feared an event like this would happen. I just hope that fucking fascist Christopher Cantwell is wrong and they won't "top" themselves in the future.

This is also precisely why I started the TRUMP is seriously dangerous thread in (OMG) 2015. I saw the writing on the wall as well. I think probably most of us did.

I'm so glad you did, 82_28, this thread has been a very useful resource and documentation of horror unfolding in real time, so I'm crossposting this here.

Also wanted to add this opinion piece that I reflects my feelings:

No jokes tonight, folks.

God, the obscenity of this day.

Even without the violence and the tragedy, is there a lower moral hurdle to clear than "Denounce the bastards wearing swastikas and chanting Nazi slogans?"

And when an American citizen is killed by a terrorist in service of one of history's most evil ideologies, is it really so much to ask of your President, "Stand WITH us, AGAINST them?"

Apparently so.

To a nation mourning a terrorist attack, he offered neither healing nor calm. Instead, he bragged about how well he did in the primary. Bragged about the economy. Attacked the press. Whinged. Aired old grievances. Spit piss at John McCain for robbing him of a victory on health care. Motherfucking boasted about owning a fucking winery in a community still washing blood off the ground.

And all that is abominable enough.

But then he did all he could to give cover to the terrorist's ideology. To lessen its evil. He stood at a podium adorned with the Presidential seal, and suggested that those who opposed white supremacy were equally as bad as those who killed in its name.

There were "very fine people" amongst the Nazis. The white supremacists were the ones with the permit, so in a way, THEY have the high ground. My god.

In his loathsome statements today, Donald Trump blamed Heather Heyer for her own death. By standing in protest of these diseased ideologies, Trump said, she was merely part of a regrettable morass where everybody was a little bit right, and nobody was totally wrong.

Not even the Nazis.

Whether it's Bob Mueller dragging him out of the Oval in cuffs, or the House GOP defensively impeaching him as his approval rating seeks absolute zero, or H.R. McMaster slapping a straightjacket on him before he can order bombers to attack CNN headquarters, or even, if we absolutely MUST wait so long, a deafening electoral avalanche in November 2020, the day is surely coming when we will be push this shitstain out of the People's House forever. As dark as this day is, we WILL be rid of him.

And when he's gone, we must NEVER stop scrubbing his stink from our nation.

Every executive order will be reversed. However long it takes, we will sandblast every molecule of his legacy from our government.

We'll rip every portrait off every wall.

Should anyone attempt to erect any monuments to this Blight on Decency, know the sun will never set on a single one of them, we'll tear them down so quick.

Should you break ground on a Presidential Library honoring this indecent fuck, know that we'll salt the earth before we let you so much as pour the foundation.

Should you slap his shitty little name on a battleship, future generations will refuse to serve on it, and it will rust and sink, forgotten and shunned.

We will hound Trump and Trumpism from our nation, however long it takes.

We. Will. Take. Our. Country. Back.

[PufPuf93]

Everyone should watch that VICE video of Nazis and alt-right in Charlottesville NC

and then watch the Trump August 15, 2017 news conference.

[seemslikeadream]

Exactly How Much Does Rupert Murdoch Know About Trump?
An interesting new report has emerged from Down Under.

BY CHARLES P. PIERCE
AUG 16, 2017

On Tuesday, when the president* went to the zoo in public, never to return, one of the ancillary phenomena was the fact that Rupert Murdoch apparently is urging the president* to lose political adviser Steve Bannon on the grounds that Bannon is too revolting even for Murdoch's cast-iron political stomach. This was interpreted as the moment when the president*'s primary media support system was calling in its marker. But, across the world, in the antipodes, another part of the Murdoch media empire was doing even more serious damage.

The Australian was one of Murdoch's first big plays, a third national newspaper for his homeland, launched in 1964. This week, the newspaper obtained a secret New South Wales police board report concerning the proposals to build Sydney's first casino back in 1987. One of the bidders was Donald Trump, just then becoming a casino mogul in Atlantic City. (He'd already opened two casinos there and he'd just picked up the bankrupt Taj Mahal that same year.) The report advised against granting the casino to Trump. The reasons it gave are…how you say?...piquant.

Cabinet minutes from May 4, 1987, contain a summary of the Police Board's position and show they considered the Kern/Trump bid to be unacceptable. "Atlantic City would be a dubious model for Sydney and in our judgment, the Trump mafia connections should exclude the Kern/Trump consortium," the report concluded…"The board is firmly of the view that on tests of sound repute, probity and integrity, none of the three consortia discussed above (HKMS, Kern/Trump, Federal/Resort/Sabemo) can be considered acceptable; indeed each would be dangerous," the Police Board found. A retired businessman ­involved in the bid — and who originally met with Mr Trump in New York to negotiate the joint venture — last night said he was unaware of the findings of the police probity check. "All of us had to undergo police investigation; we were told that everyone had to be cleared from a police perspective,'' he said, before declining to be named. "The plan was for the Kern Corporation to build the casino, and for Trump to run it because he had the licence and experience in Atlantic City. I was not aware of the police report; it is the first I've heard of any mafia connections.''

There also seem to have been some questions about whether the Trump-connected proposal was financially sound.

According to the cabinet minutes, a report by Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce Australia found the Kern/Trump proposal was financially viable on the basis that the projected financial structure put forward by Kern/Trump was reasonably based. "However, the projected casino revenue estimates are not soundly based and the quantum of the ­potential overstatement is so mat­erial that the tender is not financially viable," the CIBC report found. "Also, the tender is not fin­ancially viable on the basis of expected returns to equity investors."
To me, anyway, it seems significant that a Murdoch flagship publication would drop this story at this particular point in time. Trump's rise to New York celebrity almost perfectly dovetails with Murdoch's all-in dive into American media. They were part of the same go-go New York of the 1980s. They know all about each other, but Rupert Murdoch is 86 years old now and Donald Trump is President of the United States. If things between them go sideways, they know a great deal about each other, and I know who has the least to lose.
http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/po ... t-murdoch/

[Belligerent Savant]

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Trump as President is a natural outcome of the collective mental output/psychosis of this country.

A boil.

Boils ...are painful, pus-filled bumps that form under your skin when bacteria infect and inflame.


All this energy output here on Trump is displaced/wasted.
Serves little purpose other than as a sealed echo chamber.

Focus on the source of the bacteria that manifests the boil, not the boil itself.

[seemslikeadream]

be my guest ...practice what you preach ....plenty of room here and in real life

start a thread on the source of the bacteria


I know that I do a hell of a lot in RL

keeping an eye on fascism is not wasted here or in RL

I will follow every move a U.S. president makes...who is being black mailed by the president foreign counrty .....but that's just me

[seemslikeadream]

GOP Senator: Trump Lacking 'Stability,' 'Competence' To Succeed

GOP Sen. Scott: Trump's 'moral authority is compromised'

[Belligerent Savant]

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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-1 ... -president

'Leftist' Meltdowns Continue: Therapists Report Huge Spike In Patients Suffering From "President Trump Stress Disorder"

His mere presence in the White House seems to leave them hyperventilating, sobbing, and lashing out at anyone dares to support him, or even refuses to denounce him.

Believe it or not, the emotional vulnerability of these people hasn’t improved since he took office earlier this year. The New York Daily News recently interviewed several doctors and therapists around the country, and found that they’ve seen a huge spike in patients who have been freaking out about President Trump. Apparently, these medical professionals are referring to their anxiety as “President Trump Stress Disorder.”

Therapists report that their practices are more robust than ever. Deborah Cooper, a California-based therapist said she can hardly accommodate all of her patients. “I have people I have not seen in literally 30 years that have called me to come back in because of trauma,” she said. “I am more than full. I am overworking.”

She cited Trump’s lackluster condemnation of the white supremacist rally in Charlottesville as one in a string of anxiety-inducing events that are “coming too fast and furious” for her patients — and her practice — to handle.

Clinical psychologist Scott Christnelly said President Trump’s remarks Tuesday serve as confirmation that his patients’ anxiety is well founded. “This is more evidence they should be anxious. There is evidence the anxiety is real, and it’s not just something they are making up,” he said.

The question isn’t whether their pain is real or not. It’s clearly real. It’s a matter of whether or not it’s justified. When Obama was in office, we didn’t see countless conservatives breaking down mentally and losing the ability to function, despite the fact that they were probably just as outraged with Obama as the Left has been with Trump. But what we’re seeing on the Left is an epidemic of mental distress since Trump took office.

“I don’t think I have a patient that has never mentioned it. It’s remarkable,” said Sue Elias, a New York-based psychotherapist.

Elias described a patient raised in a dysfunctional, alcoholic household whose past traumas have been brought to the surface by Trump. Her worries and fears now interfere with her day-to-day functioning.

“This is so triggering for her, the feeling of every day, what is going to happen next,” Elias said. “It has interfered with her work and she is really struggling…”

…Talkspace, an online therapy service, also reported three times more traffic than usual in January. Demand for its services remains about one and a half times higher than usual, its founder and CEO Oren Frank told the Daily News.“

The article then goes on to give five recommendations from these therapists, for people who are having trouble coping with Trump. They include unplugging from the 24 hour news cycle, getting involved in organizations and political movements they support so that they don’t feel so helpless, exercising, and trying to understand Trump supporters rather than vilifying them. And if all else fails, they recommend therapy.

[norton ash]

http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates-trump-tweets-unsupported-claim-about-1503002456-htmlstory.html

AUG. 17, 2017, 1:59 P.M.
Trump repeats claim about Gen. Pershing's treatment of Muslim prisoners that historians doubt ever happened

Time to go home, grandpa. You're drunk.

[seemslikeadream]

James Murdoch Slams Trump’s C’Ville Response, Pledges Donation To ADL

By CAITLIN MACNEAL Published AUGUST 18, 2017 7:04 AM

James Murdoch, the chief executive of 21st Century Fox and son of Rupert Murdoch, on Thursday sent an email to friends criticizing President Donald Trump’s failure to fully condemn white nationalists in the wake of the Charlottesville violence and pledging a $1 million donation to the Anti-Defamation League.

Murdoch wrote in the email first reported by the New York Times that while he rarely weighs in on public events, “what we watched this last week in Charlottesville and the reaction to it by the President of the United States concern all of us as Americans and free people.”

“These events remind us all why vigilance against hate and bigotry is an eternal obligation — a necessary discipline for the preservation of our way of life and our ideals,” Murdoch wrote. “The presence of hate in our society was appallingly laid bare as we watched swastikas brandished on the streets of Charlottesville and acts of brutal terrorism and violence perpetrated by a racist mob.”

“I can’t even believe I have to write this: standing up to Nazis is essential; there are no good Nazis. Or Klansmen, or terrorists. Democrats, Republicans, and others must all agree on this, and it compromises nothing for them to do so,” he continued.

Murdoch’s condemnation carries weight given that his father, Rupert Murdoch is an ally and informal adviser to the President.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/j ... e-comments

Federal Judge Rules President Trump Plausibly Incited Violence at Rally as Candidate
Alana Abramson
Apr 02, 2017
A Kentucky Federal Judge rejected to dismiss the claim from three protesters at a 2016 Trump rally that then candidate Trump provoked violence with his rhetoric to have them removed.
http://time.com/4722209/judge-president ... -violence/

Trump is just six Senate votes away from impeachment. And Republicans are deserting him fast



Mother of Charlottesville Victim Heather Heyer Says She's Received Death Threats




Breitbart continues to use globes in its headlines to denote Jews. Seriously guys, just use yellow stars. You’re not fooling anyone.

I Voted for Trump. And I Sorely Regret It.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/17/o ... PFaQP3UYFq