Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2016 11:47 pm
Wow. We believe in pacifism but we go from support for Black Lives Matter who we can at least conceivably call protestors to Swedish groups that are explicitly devoted to using violence to crush political dissent on behalf of the state. Sweden isn't a warzone like Kurdistan there is no need to beat people up and destroy their lives just because they disagree with the government. Meanwhile certain groups that foment violence fundamentalism and terrorism in Sweden get funding from the government and winking encouragement...
I cited that pacifism is a actual belief system because I take it more seriously as an idea than complete bs like libertarianism. When someone says they are pacifist it usually sounds like a good thing to my ears.
I live in the country that prides itself on the idea of multiculturalism but it's all doublespeak, indigenous people aren't eligible for our human rights laws and have a host of other punitive restrictions. Certain minorities are allowed lavish group rights while the majority groups are denied explicit political representation - and encouraged strongly to not ask questions about their culture and ethnicity and its relationship to the state. And certain other minorities are scapegoated and subjected to all sorts of abuses.
Personally I like to distinguish between cooperation and coercion, and egalitarianism is something whose meaning is ferociously contested. So there's a lot to talk about here, so I suspect people are being insincere when when they talk to me like I am stupid and not getting something obviously off limits for discussion.
As far as the working class goes they've been doing pretty rough in a lot of places, I am not going to argue with that. I assume we're including all the people who don't get to take part in formal work...
A lot of the material on this board explicitly calls for innocent people to get hurt occasionally out in the open usually by insinuation. So what is so simple about this stuff anyways? Most unbelievably, the left has a clearly defined history and I believe it should be up for examination especially since it has been used as a cover for all kinds of genocidal oligarchic power games, for all the occasions it has been able to boast of genuine virtues like pacifism. So we can't just whitewash it so to speak like when right wingers say "nazis were left wing because of socialism" and other casuistry. I think I understand where you are coming from a lot better now Luther Blisset. The discussions that are possible in the public sphere are becoming more and more limited and it leads us away from the values you are advocating thus the Gladio like clusterfuck of Trump's rise... I think you are probably a good person and not a pacifist in the sense of Obama getting his peace prize.
82_82 I have been able to talk myself out of most fights that might have happened in my life myself. That's why I am suspicious of all the calls for no platforming (at times of vast groups of people based on their demographics as opposed to what they've said) accompanied by violence and even terrorism as a way to get us to some sort of promised land. That's what's increasingly considered respectable where I am and throughout the West though. I could be trying to talk to people on tumblr reddit chans or other echo chamber sites but I wanted to figure out what people were on about here as it seemed like a truly heterogenous place with information suppressed elsewhere. I'll quieten down now...
I cited that pacifism is a actual belief system because I take it more seriously as an idea than complete bs like libertarianism. When someone says they are pacifist it usually sounds like a good thing to my ears.
I live in the country that prides itself on the idea of multiculturalism but it's all doublespeak, indigenous people aren't eligible for our human rights laws and have a host of other punitive restrictions. Certain minorities are allowed lavish group rights while the majority groups are denied explicit political representation - and encouraged strongly to not ask questions about their culture and ethnicity and its relationship to the state. And certain other minorities are scapegoated and subjected to all sorts of abuses.
Personally I like to distinguish between cooperation and coercion, and egalitarianism is something whose meaning is ferociously contested. So there's a lot to talk about here, so I suspect people are being insincere when when they talk to me like I am stupid and not getting something obviously off limits for discussion.
As far as the working class goes they've been doing pretty rough in a lot of places, I am not going to argue with that. I assume we're including all the people who don't get to take part in formal work...
A lot of the material on this board explicitly calls for innocent people to get hurt occasionally out in the open usually by insinuation. So what is so simple about this stuff anyways? Most unbelievably, the left has a clearly defined history and I believe it should be up for examination especially since it has been used as a cover for all kinds of genocidal oligarchic power games, for all the occasions it has been able to boast of genuine virtues like pacifism. So we can't just whitewash it so to speak like when right wingers say "nazis were left wing because of socialism" and other casuistry. I think I understand where you are coming from a lot better now Luther Blisset. The discussions that are possible in the public sphere are becoming more and more limited and it leads us away from the values you are advocating thus the Gladio like clusterfuck of Trump's rise... I think you are probably a good person and not a pacifist in the sense of Obama getting his peace prize.
82_82 I have been able to talk myself out of most fights that might have happened in my life myself. That's why I am suspicious of all the calls for no platforming (at times of vast groups of people based on their demographics as opposed to what they've said) accompanied by violence and even terrorism as a way to get us to some sort of promised land. That's what's increasingly considered respectable where I am and throughout the West though. I could be trying to talk to people on tumblr reddit chans or other echo chamber sites but I wanted to figure out what people were on about here as it seemed like a truly heterogenous place with information suppressed elsewhere. I'll quieten down now...