Why so silent on the huge elephant in the room?

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Why so silent on the huge elephant in the room?

Postby divideandconquer » Thu Sep 10, 2015 5:05 pm

I mean the Comprehensive Annual Financial Report (CAFR)! It's the pink, polka-dotted elephant...the biggest open secret that almost never comes up in discussion. Government has systematically increased its ownership through investment over the last 60 years and now collectively owns and controls everything. It’s a giant investment scheme to extract the wealth of the nation. Doesn't that deserve some attention?

Comprehensive Annual Financial Report –– (the scope and size of government investment wealth) a set of U.S. government set of financial statements comprising the financial report of a state, municipal or other government entity that compiles the accounting requirements promulgated by what is called the Governmental Accounting Standards Board (GASB), which is a private nongovernmental association. They provide the standards for the content that’s in that report called the CAFR. Every CAFR is audited by an external accounting firm of certified public accountants (CPA)


Is it only me that's enraged when government cries poor when it is so freakin' rich? Or that we're being spoon fed selectively created budget reports that leave out over half the pie: income from investments and autonomous agencies or profit centers, while only reporting on tax revenue and expenditures?

Over 230,000 separate entities today each with their own investments, each with their own assets. Supposedly, according to Walter Burien, our government's collective wealth is estimated at close to $200 trillion with International investments over %50 trillion But they hold the public at bay by screeching about national debt to get us to back off.

If you don't like or believe Burien or Richardson--the only two people I know who have taken this on-- it's fairly easy to look up for yourself and do the math. Believe me, if I can do it, anyone can.

Anyway, up until now, I've assumed this topic is off-limits for whatever reason, but I had to ask. :shrug:
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Re: Why so silent on the huge elephant in the room?

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Thu Sep 10, 2015 5:25 pm

It's off-limits because our sponsors in the Rockefeller family insisted that it be so.

If you ever even mention this subject again, I'm going to ban you.

Also http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/ ... =8&t=28295

Also also: http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/ ... =8&t=35158
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Re: Why so silent on the huge elephant in the room?

Postby divideandconquer » Thu Sep 10, 2015 6:08 pm

Wombaticus Rex » Thu Sep 10, 2015 5:25 pm wrote:It's off-limits because our sponsors in the Rockefeller family insisted that it be so.

If you ever even mention this subject again, I'm going to ban you.

Also http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/ ... =8&t=28295

Also also: http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/ ... =8&t=35158


Uh...really?? :zomg I mean, I hope know your sponsor isn't the Rockefeller family? And I take it that those links you posted are proof that you don't consider CAFR off-limits? But I also know Internet forums consider certain topics off limits. Years ago, godlikeproduction banned me, and above top secret banned my posts on the CAFR. Not that RI has anything in common with those terrible forums...even if you do ban this topic. :whiteflagsurrender:
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Re: Why so silent on the huge elephant in the room?

Postby Sounder » Thu Sep 10, 2015 6:50 pm

D@C, no need to be defensive.

Wombat was simply asking you to use the search function.
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Re: Why so silent on the huge elephant in the room?

Postby chump » Thu Sep 10, 2015 7:22 pm

FWIW:

Who Owns The World?



http://memoryholeblog.com/2015/09/09/th ... mallstorm/

Researcher and film maker Sofia Smallstorm joins SGT Report to expose the sad truth that the United States of America is a Corporation and its legal fiction citizens are little more than assets – or liabilities – on the Globalist balance sheet. Sofia says,

In 1871 the real America vanished and it was replaced with this incorporated government including Washington District of Columbia. So the Federal Government became a Corporation. And by 1933 with Roosevelt sitting in office, the whole corporate system was washed down into all the cities, the states, the agencies, that’s when the reality really flushed itself out in this fictitious form.



Our “Representatives” are officers of a corporation, they aren’t public servants in any way and they cannot act as such. So that helps explain why they no longer seem to care about representing the people...


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... You know it is funny, I went all the way through the FSU business school and nobody ever mentioned the federal reserve is not federal. Imagine my chagrin when I found this out!

One of the best articles taken from that post was from political velcraft. We are never told much about the Jackson administration. Andrew Jackson actually took over the federal reserve and began printing legal money. He announced to the bankers that “By God I will rout you.” Well true to form both guns failed to go off during the murder attempt.

It was almost shootout at the O.K. coral, as Aaron Burr the vice president shot Alexander Hamilton who was a Rothschild son-in law. None of this is ever discussed in history class.

So we are at a very defining time in world history. By that I mean Russia and China appear to be moving in the direction of forming their own currency once again backed by gold. To the best of my knowledge, it seems that Rothschild does own stock in the Chinese central bank but only 49%, so is not calling the shots. He owns the Russian central bank but Putin keeps it under fairly tight Russian control.

So now here we are, bases are being built in more proximity to Russia and China. We have seen 4 blasts now in China and the one at Tianjin almost blew out the Chinese supercomputer but the wall around it stopped the magnetic wave we are told.

We have also seen an explosion of a USA military ammunition dump in Japan, an oil refinery go up in smoke in Texas recently. There was a flyover in the black sea sometime ago by Russian jets over the US Donald Cook that fried the electronics on board the ship which went limping back to Romania. The radar screens went blank the the Russian fighter made 12 passes over the ship at low altitude breaking the sound barrier to convey a message. It was about Magrav technology for which there is no answer for as yet.

So now recent reports indicate tracking ability has been lost for planes over the eastern seaboard and it will not be restored until around Oct 1st? Pilots are utilizing fly by sight. We can only guess what is going on here.

Russia is denying it, but reports indicate it is beefing up Russian presence in Syria with more personnel and sophisticated weapons. We also have Chinese warships in the Bering Sea for the first time ever.

The American public seems unaware of all this, however it is football season and there are busy busy and most have no idea of the gravity of the international situation.


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Queen Elizabeth II the largest landowner on Earth.”

Queen Elizabeth II, head of state of the United Kingdom and of 31 other states and territories, is the legal owner of about 6,600 million acres of land, one sixth of the earth’s non ocean surface.

She is the only person on earth who owns whole countries, and who owns countries that are not her own domestic territory. This land ownership is separate from her role as head of state and is different from other monarchies where no such claim is made – Norway, Belgium, Denmark etc.

The value of her land holding. £17,600,000,000,000 (approx).

This makes her the richest individual on earth. However, there is no way easily to value her real estate. There is no current market in the land of entire countries. At a rough estimate of $5,000 an acre, and based on the sale of Alaska to the USA by the Tsar, and of Louisiana to the USA by France, the Queen’s land holding is worth a notional $33,000,000,000,000 (Thirty three trillion dollars or about £17,600,000,000,000). Her holding is based on the laws of the countries she owns and her land title is valid in all the countries she owns. Her main holdings are Canada, the 2nd largest country on earth, with 2,467 million acres, Australia, the 7th largest country on earth with 1,900 million acres, the Papua New Guinea with114 million acres, New Zealand with 66 million acres and the UK with 60 million acres.

She is the world’s largest landowner by a significant margin. The next largest landowner is the Russian state, with an overall ownership of 4,219 million acres, and a direct ownership comparable with the Queen’s land holding of 2,447 million acres. The 3rd largest landowner is the Chinese state, which claims all of Chinese land, about 2,365 million acres. The 4th largest landowner on earth is the Federal Government of the United States, which owns about one third of the land of the USA, 760 million acres. The fifth largest landowner on earth is the King of Saudi Arabia with 553 million acres
Largest five personal landowners on Earh Queen Elizabeth II 6,600 million acres
King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia 553 million acres
King Bhumibol of Thailand 126 million acres
King Mohammed IV of Morocco 113 million acres
Sultan Quaboos of Oman 76 million acres


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Re: Why so silent on the huge elephant in the room?

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Thu Sep 10, 2015 7:30 pm

divideandconquer » Thu Sep 10, 2015 5:08 pm wrote:above top secret banned my posts on the CAFR.


That's a mighty odd data point. Huh.

Anyways, on a serious note, the only rules on this forum are posted here: viewtopic.php?f=36&t=8705

(Helpfully enough, that whole section of the forum is located at the bottom of the sprawl. I don't blame anyone for not knowing.)

I, along with almost anyone else here, welcome discussions about accounting, infrastructure, and the boring details that make global power possible. I fail to understand how CAFR could be a controversial topic, as utterly as I fail to understand how this detail is the most important elephant in the room. It might be illuminating, or at least interesting, to play a parlor game where everyone states what their vote for that category would be.

Offhand, my vote would be a split between Carrying Capacity and Dunbar's Number.
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Re: Why so silent on the huge elephant in the room?

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Sep 10, 2015 7:34 pm

In 1868, there was a corporation founded and in that particular company, the founders of that company called it the "United States Corporation" and they stipulated that anybody who would be a member of that corporation or worked for that corporation, would be called, not an employee but a "citizen".

Understanding law and the words of law, there are two things this planet has: water and earth, water and land. Consequently, there are two kinds of law - the law of the land and the law of water. You've heard the term 'law of the land' but in point of fact, that's precisely what this term means because it is the people who live on land, and that is opposed to something else, called the ‘law of the high seas’ or the law of water and you need to understand the difference. The law of the land is the law of the culture that lives on the land and consequently, the law of the land is different in every country...

However, there is a higher law that dominates the entire world... it's called the law of the water or the law of the high seas. The law of water is referred to as the law of money... Anytime you're doing banking or using money, you are now under the law of water, maritime admiralty... it began in the land of Canaan (an ancient term for a region roughly corresponding to present-day Israel, the West Bank, western Jordan, southern and coastal Syria and Lebanon continuing up until the border of modern Turkey). The Canaanites were Phoenician... Phoenician bloodline... in the ancient Phoenician language, "Canaan" meant "merchant banker". The word "merchant" comes from "mer" for the sea, for water, as in 'mermaid'... The law of water is the law of banking and money, as opposed to the law of the custom of the people or the law of the land.

The Statue of Liberty must be put on water; it could not be put on American land, as such. It had to be put in a harbour because it's not the Statue of Freedom; it's a Statue of Liberty. Liberty is what a sailor gets when he pulls into port on ship, he gets liberty - he's not free. So America is not the "land of the free in the home of the brave". We are not free or brave, period. We are not free; this is not a free country.

Let me give you an example of how this law of the water works. Why is it that you have to go to court? You go to court because you play basketball and tennis on a court. You play with a racket, why, because that's what it is - it's a racket. They do not pick words by chance. These words are very serious. They do not use words and terms with no avail. These words are very important. What's the idea of going to court? It's a game, like basketball, the whole idea in a court is to put the ball in the other guys court... and consequently it's a ball game and the judge is wearing a black robe, so he is the referee... the judge is a referee between two teams. The judge rules from the bench. "Bench" in Latin is a bank, therefore, the judge rules for the bank. Where do you find banks? You find banks on both sides of a river and what does a river bank do? It controls the direction of the current-sea…, the juice. Consequently, your money is currency because it's the flow, the cash flow.

I'll give you an example how this works. When a ship pulls into a harbour, all ships are referred to as female... airships, rocket ships, sailing ships are always female. Why? There's a very good reason... maritime, admiralty law says all ships are female because they're carrying items for money and so consequently, they are under maritime, admiralty law. Admiralty is where we get admiral - admiral of the navy.

When a ship pulls into harbour, it parks at the dock and the captain has to provide, for the port authorities, a Certificate of Manifest... each of the ship's items has come off water. Every ship has a captain and "captain" comes from the word "capital", so the captain represents the capital or money that's on board the ship.

The ship is sitting in its berth.... when a ship docks, it sits in its berth. Now, when you were born, your mother's water broke and when your mother's water broke, you came out and this is why you have to have a birth certificate because you are a maritime admiralty product, under international law. Your mother delivered you - that's why if you go to Sears.com and order a product, they will 'ship it to you' - they will deliver it and that's why you were in your delivery room - your mother was delivering a product. Maritime admiralty - you came down your mother's birth canal. All these words are maritime admiralty banking words and therefore, if you understand lawyers, judges, courts and government, they are all under international maritime admiralty law.

There has never existed a country, on the face of the earth, in the history of the world, in which the people rose up and demanded their right to be free, never. The concept of human, spiritual, intellectual and physical freedom is a concept that has never ever existed on earth. The only one time it came into existence was in the founding of America, when it was understood that we were sovereigns and that we owned our bodies and consequently, since 1868, we're now under international maritime admiralty law.

Think about this - in cowboy and Indian movies... when cowboys would ride into town, they'd get of their horse and they were wearing guns. How comes they could walk into a bar and if two guys got into an argument, they could go out on the street and draw on each other and draw on each other outside the sheriff’s office and the sheriff would do nothing. The reason why is because before 1868, all Americans were considered sovereigns and that's one of the nice things about being a sovereign, you have the right to be yourself.

In 1868, there was a corporation founded and in that particular company, the founders of that company called it the "United States Corporation" and they stipulated that anybody who would be a member of that corporation or worked for that corporation, would be called, not an employee but a "citizen". So today, if you are asked, ‘are you a citizen of the United States’, what you think you're being asked is, 'are you lawfully in this country to do business?' but that's not lawfully, what's being asked. They didn't ask you if you are an American, lawfully, they asked you a specific question... are you, of your own volition, out of your own mouth testifying that you are a citizen of the United States because in that way, citizen of the United States means you are an employee of a foreign corporation, operating under international maritime law. So today, the President of United States is the President of a privately owned company. The company is called "United States" and the word "President", is always the word used in corporate law - banks have Presidents, all companies have Presidents. President Bush is not the President of America. President Bush is the president of a privately owned company, privately owned out of England. We need to understand words and terms and they have been used to trick and enslave you..


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Re: Why so silent on the huge elephant in the room?

Postby minime » Thu Sep 10, 2015 7:45 pm

Wombaticus Rex » Thu Sep 10, 2015 4:25 pm wrote:It's off-limits because our sponsors in the Rockefeller family insisted that it be so.

If you ever even mention this subject again, I'm going to ban you.

Also http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/ ... =8&t=28295

Also also: http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/ ... =8&t=35158


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Re: Why so silent on the huge elephant in the room?

Postby divideandconquer » Thu Sep 10, 2015 8:05 pm

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Sounder » Thu Sep 10, 2015 6:50 pm wrote:D@C, no need to be defensive.

Wombat was simply asking you to use the search function.

I'm not defensive, just uncertain. Before I posted, I did use the search function, and I did find the CAFR Coffers thread-- not the second one WR linked--but since the thread was kind of old, and since the CAFR is rarely --almost never--mentioned (since I joined, anyway) I wasn't sure if the subject was recently designated off-limits for whatever reason.

I really do want to know why it isn't discussed more often. My thoughts are that I'm missing something because I think it's a huge issue that underlies so many of the problems debated on here, and possibly could be the one thing that, if understood, would open people's eyes. If I'm wrong I want to know why. That's all.
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Re: Why so silent on the huge elephant in the room?

Postby divideandconquer » Thu Sep 10, 2015 8:50 pm

Wombaticus Rex » Thu Sep 10, 2015 7:30 pm wrote:
divideandconquer » Thu Sep 10, 2015 5:08 pm wrote:above top secret banned my posts on the CAFR.


That's a mighty odd data point. Huh.

Anyways, on a serious note, the only rules on this forum are posted here: viewtopic.php?f=36&t=8705

(Helpfully enough, that whole section of the forum is located at the bottom of the sprawl. I don't blame anyone for not knowing.)

I, along with almost anyone else here, welcome discussions about accounting, infrastructure, and the boring details that make global power possible. I fail to understand how CAFR could be a controversial topic, as utterly as I fail to understand how this detail is the most important elephant in the room. It might be illuminating, or at least interesting, to play a parlor game where everyone states what their vote for that category would be.

Offhand, my vote would be a split between Carrying Capacity and Dunbar's Number.

Well, I just think people would be furious upon learning the budget deficits they use as a pretext for austerity measures is calculated from only one-third of the government's total revenue, and that two-thirds of the wealth, generated and created through the use of the people's money, is not reported on at all to ensure that the people do not benefit from the money that they contributed.
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Re: Why so silent on the huge elephant in the room?

Postby Twyla LaSarc » Thu Sep 10, 2015 9:25 pm

Thanks for posting on this subject. Whether it was here or on another thread, I hadn't heard much about it before.

One of the best articles taken from that post was from political velcraft. We are never told much about the Jackson administration. Andrew Jackson actually took over the federal reserve and began printing legal money.


I probably am missing something, but Andy Jackson would have had a hard time bucking the federal reserve since according to wiki, it wasn't established until 1913. I thought one of the problems the early US had was that there was no centralized issuer of currency up until the civil war or so.

But I could be mis-remembering. Its only been 30 years since US History 101.

There is a lot we don't hear about Jackson in the history classes, like his attempts to racially cleanse the land of Indians, and his trip to observe the Bell Witch phenomenon.
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Re: Why so silent on the huge elephant in the room?

Postby PufPuf93 » Thu Sep 10, 2015 9:46 pm

Wombaticus Rex » Thu Sep 10, 2015 4:30 pm wrote:

Offhand, my vote would be a split between Carrying Capacity and Dunbar's Number.


An economy is a sociology is an ecology is an energy balance is a carbon balance.

Carrying capacity and Dunbar's number are useful and descriptive ecological constructs.

A related ecological construct that describes the growth, form, volume, and mortality of plant biomass is the -3/2 Power Rule of Self Thinning.

Carrying capacity, Dunbar's number, amount and quality of biomass, renewable energy, sociology, and human economy all ultimately depend on photosynthesis and carbon fixation into plants.

Some abstracts:

(1) Self-thinning rule: a causal interpretation from ecological field theory

"The self-thinning rule relates plant mass to plant density in crowded, even-aged stands by a power-law equation with an exponent −3/2. The rule is widely accepted as an empirical generalization and quantitative rule that applies across the plant kingdom. It has been called the only law in plant ecology. But the evidence supporting it has recently come under critical scrutiny. The theoretical and empirical bases for the density–mass boundary have been questioned. Here we use ecological field theory and statistical mechanics to show how the stochastic nature of ecological interactions among individuals, due to spatial field effects such as the availability of neighborhood resources at the microscopic level, leads to self-thinning at the macroscopic level. The self-thinning rule emerges as a natural result of our theoretical approach. Puzzling experimental data that contradict the rule are also explained.

Keywords: Ecological field theory; Self-thinning rule; Emerging property; Spatial patterns; Statistical physics"


http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 0000003136

(2) Analysis of the 3/2 Power Law of Self-Thinning

"The 3/2 power law states that the relative rate of self-thinning with respect to biomass growth per unit area is a universal constant equal to two. The law could be true in two cases: (1) when all factors of stand dynamics unaccounted for by the law (in particular, change in plant form and change in crown closure) are nonexistent; and (2) when the effects of the unaccounted factors on the rate of self-thinning cancel each other. As the presented reasons and evidence show, the major neglected factors indeed oppositely affect the rate of self-thinning. In general, however, these factors rarely balance each other, and the rate predictably changes with age, species, site quality, and other factors. The limiting line of self-thinning does not have any constant slope (on the log-log scale); generally, this line is a curve. A realistic model of self-thinning should be more inclusive than the law and particularly reflect the change in crown closure, or gap dynamics. An analysis of the law suggests the use of tree size as a predictor of their number; the utilization of the fact that diameter is better correlated with crown width and tree number than tree mass; and the development of a more adequate form of expressing allometric relationships than the elementary power function. For. Sci. 33(2):517-537.

Keywords: Allometric regression; Reineke's equation; crown closure; gap dynamics; stand dynamics; tree morphology"

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/s ... 2/art00024

(3) A Reevaluation of the -3/2 Power Rule of Plant Self-Thinning

"The self-thinning rule predicts that for a crowded even-aged plant population a log-log plot of average plant mass vs. plant density will reveal a straight @'self-thinning@' line of slope--@?. The rule is supported by examples from many individual populations, and by the existence of an interspecific relationship that yields a line of slope--@? in a log-log plot displaying average mass and density data from many populations of different species. I examined and reanalyzed the evidence to evaluate the strength of support for this widely accepted rule. Some problems in fitting thinning lines and testing agreement with the rule have no truly satisfactory solution, but three improvements on commonly used methods were made: the analysis related stand biomass density to plant density because the alternative of relating average plant mass to plant density is statistically invalid; principal components analysis was used rather than regression, because regression relies on unrealistic assumptions about errors in the data; and statistical tests of hypotheses were used to interpret the results. The results of this reanalysis were that 19 of 63 individual-population data sets previously cited in support of the thinning rule actually showed no significant correlation between stand biomass density and plant density, and 20 gave thinning slopes significantly different (P < .05) from the thinning rule prediction. Four other analyses provided additional evidence against a single quantitative thinning rule for all plants: slopes of the thinning lines were more variable than currently accepted, differed significantly among plant groups, were significantly correlated with shade tolerance in forest trees, and differed among stands of the same species. The same results held for the intercepts of self-thinning lines. Despite the failure of the thinning rule for individual populations, the combined data for all populations are still consistent with an interspecific relationship of slope--@?; therefore, the existence of the interspecific relationship does not necessarily support the within-population thinning rule. The within-population and interspecific relationships are apparently different phenomena that may arise from different constraints, so the two relationships should be tested and explained separately."

In my former field of forest ecology, one uses research and practical models including the Langsaeter Curve, Reineke's Stand Density Index, and net and gross Leaf Area Index to analyze and predict growth of individual trees in stands and stands of trees and to develop "rules of thumb" and silviculture prescriptions to translate theory to field. With computers and GIS and spatial mathematics forests can be plugged into the nuances of human environment, economic and social, like never before. Idealistically, forest management is tweaking or passively watching these intellectual constructs mold the forests to desired present and future conditions. While these models all developed separately, the approaches converge on the more general law of plant ecology, the -3/2 Power Rule of Self Thinning. Society can chose to exploit the forest for short turn needs or treat the forest with an agriculture model or adjust humanity with the unfolding patterns of nature. Without plants, we die. In my moral system, humans should be very conservative, even loving, in how we interact with the biosphere. See Nordic's signature line.

The general case of the -3/2 Rule of Self Thinning applies to even-aged (shared time of initiation) plants ranging from algae to bacteria in petri to lawn to corn to Douglas-fir and relates size and number of individual plants relative to growing space and resources in a closed system. Of course, reality and practice are messy. The Langsaeter Curve (German forestry from early in the science) tells us that forest stands go through periods of stand initiation, free to grow, inter-tree competition, senescence, mortality, and stand renewal by catastrophic or gap dynamic. The -3/2 Rule of Self Thinning applies most to the period of inter-tree competition to mortality.

When one perceives reality as CAFR or other meta-valuations or human institutions in general from the perspective of humanity, we are looking at a system or rather enveloping systems of ecological economics. Messy. We spend our time looking for the right system or the right politic or new science or spirituality to adjust ourselves and attempt to understand or influence with the natural world.

The elephant in the room is that we have over shot "carrying capacity" for the number of people and what we consider reasonable lifestyles. We are in deep doodoo. Humans have caused an extinction event and environmental crisis. Our institutions and the huge masses of people are not responsive, function against one another, and are estranged from nature.. Corporations are not the answer as they fail the biosphere and humanity and free the predator. Like Luther Bissett recently, our best actions as individuals may be to seek a personal relationship and solace with nature.
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Re: Why so silent on the huge elephant in the room?

Postby justdrew » Thu Sep 10, 2015 11:06 pm

wait wait wait... i though we were working for the du ponts :moresarcasm

Also Fitts has mentioned CAFRs before too, that's where I first heard talk of such things ~'99 maybe?
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Re: Why so silent on the huge elephant in the room?

Postby Elvis » Fri Sep 11, 2015 1:46 am

Twyla LaSarc » Thu Sep 10, 2015 6:25 pm wrote:Thanks for posting on this subject. Whether it was here or on another thread, I hadn't heard much about it before.

One of the best articles taken from that post was from political velcraft. We are never told much about the Jackson administration. Andrew Jackson actually took over the federal reserve and began printing legal money.


I probably am missing something, but Andy Jackson would have had a hard time bucking the federal reserve since according to wiki, it wasn't established until 1913. I thought one of the problems the early US had was that there was no centralized issuer of currency up until the civil war or so.

But I could be mis-remembering. Its only been 30 years since US History 101.

There is a lot we don't hear about Jackson in the history classes, like his attempts to racially cleanse the land of Indians, and his trip to observe the Bell Witch phenomenon.


I don't remember even a mention of banking in US History 101. But the U.S. did have a central bank until 1811 when Congress shuttered it. Later on, Andrew Jackson vetoed the adoption of "The Second Bank of the United States" and had quite a bit to say about it.

In 1816 the Second Bank of the United States was charted by President James Madison to restore the United States economy devastated by the War of 1812. [92] In 1823 President James Monroe appointed Nicholas Biddle, the Bank's third and last executive, to run the bank. In January 1832 Biddle, on advice from his friends, submitted to Congress a renewal of the Bank's charter four years before the original 20-year charter was to end. [93] Biddle's recharter bill passed the Senate on June 11 and the House on July 3, 1832.[93] Jackson, believing that Bank was fundamentally a corrupt monopoly whose stock was mostly held by foreigners, vetoed the bill.[93] Jackson used the issue to promote his democratic values, believing the Bank was being run exclusively for the wealthy.[93] Jackson stated the Bank made "the rich richer and the potent more powerful."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Ja ... on_of_1832


So familiar, eh?

Sometime after that, as I recall, Second Bank was established briefly, then canned again...it's like a light blinking on and off.
For more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_central_banking_in_the_United_States


Interesting topic; so if all this money exists in investments, isn't it capital, which you're not supposed to spend? Do they count or spend the earnings? Is it just bankers and money managers who profit from it? I read the previous threads and am still, typically, confused.
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Re: Why so silent on the huge elephant in the room?

Postby stefano » Fri Sep 11, 2015 3:38 am

Thanks d&c, could be interesting. It's true that economics tends to focus on flows, and much less on stocks. But $200trn seems very high - three times annual world output. As you've done the math, could you maybe give us a little two-paragraph rundown of what these assets are? What do the income streams from them look like, and where do they go? How high are liabilities and what is the trend there? All these government workers have pensions, right?

Going on the free-flow bullshit soup that Burien has on his site, and that this OP has attracted in barely 10 posts, I'm tending to think there might not be much to see here.

Queen Elizabeth II, head of state of the United Kingdom and of 31 other states and territories, is the legal owner of about 6,600 million acres of land, one sixth of the earth’s non ocean surface.


To the best of my knowledge, it seems that Rothschild does own stock in the Chinese central bank but only 49%, so is not calling the shots. He owns the Russian central bank but Putin keeps it under fairly tight Russian control.[...]We have seen 4 blasts now in China and the one at Tianjin almost blew out the Chinese supercomputer but the wall around it stopped the magnetic wave we are told.


That's all made-up crap, but, as a language nerd, the bit I found offensively, aggressively stupid was this:

You go to court because you play basketball and tennis on a court. You play with a racket, why, because that's what it is - it's a racket. They do not pick words by chance. These words are very serious. They do not use words and terms with no avail. These words are very important. What's the idea of going to court? It's a game, like basketball, the whole idea in a court is to put the ball in the other guys court... and consequently it's a ball game and the judge is wearing a black robe, so he is the referee... the judge is a referee between two teams. The judge rules from the bench. "Bench" in Latin is a bank, therefore, the judge rules for the bank. Where do you find banks? You find banks on both sides of a river and what does a river bank do? It controls the direction of the current-sea…, the juice.


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