Putin's Troll Factories

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Re: Putin's Troll Factories

Postby Sounder » Fri Aug 19, 2016 6:36 am

Putin's 'troll factories' is a case of projection.

By quickly framing Ukraine’s pro-democracy uprising as a “Nazi” movement, Moscow put Kiev on the defensive, forcing the Ukrainian government to expend enormous efforts to rebut that smear among ethnic-Russian citizens. As Lithuanian Foreign Minister Linas Linkevicius said in March, “Russia Today’s propaganda machine is no less destructive than military marching in Crimea.”


This is just funny, I'm sure the Azov battalion has nothing to do with the general perception that the Ukrainian coup is driven and maintained by 'Nazis'. It's all just a Russian smear, yeah right. And destructive too, that Russian machine really destroyed Crimea as they marched in after 90% plus of the population voted to join with Russia.

But hey, it's doubtful that NED and Soros et al cares much about self determination for anybody, let alone the people of Crimea.

How does this pathetic bullshit survive here on RI.

Bunch of warmongering anti-environmentalists that write and pass this crap around.
All these things will continue as long as coercion remains a central element of our mentality.
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Re: Putin's Troll Factories

Postby Searcher08 » Fri Aug 19, 2016 7:09 am

But that is very weak, Sounder.
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Re: Putin's Troll Factories

Postby American Dream » Tue Aug 30, 2016 10:00 am

Summary of international week of actions for Russian anarchist and anti-fascist prisoners

Between 1st and 10th of July, international days of solidarity for political prisoners of Putin's police state took place in 21 cities of 10 different countries.

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American Dream » Thu Aug 18, 2016 9:38 am wrote: http://countervortex.org/node/14978#comment-453612

Fascist pseudo-anti-fascism strikes again

Submitted by Bill Weinberg on Wed, 08/17/2016 - 20:05

Is the stupid fucking 'left' really so out of wack as to look at all this and see Hillary and Obama and Biden as the fascists and Assad and Seselj and Putin as anti-fascists? Are you fools really that far down the rabbit hole?

Too many we talk to bandy about the apocryphal and misunderstood Mussolini quote "fascism is corporatism" to argue that centrist Democrats are the actual fascists. They are only displaying their ignorance of what Mussolini meant by "corporatism"—a system of state control of society that "incorporated" labor unions and other mass organizations into the party-bureaucratic apparatus, having nothing to do with corporations in the business sense. We have had to point out this error again and again and again.

Worse, many go yet further and assume that the extremoid populists and nationalists are therefore anti-fascists. A phenomenon we call fascist pseudo-anti-fascism—and have similarly had to call out again and again and again.

These chickens are indeed in danger of coming home to roost. A piece on Daily Beast warns: "Beware the Hillary Clinton-Loathing, Donald Trump-Loving Useful Idiots of the Left." It is somewhat problematic, failing to recognize how the centrist Democrats are indeed part of the problem, by pushing a neoliberal agenda that breeds a backlash to be exploited by ugly populists. But it provides a spot-on critique of pseudo-left Putinphilia, and how itsmorally corrupting effects may pave the way for fascism here in the US : "Some progressives, ...captive to a crude and one-dimensional anti-Americanism, routinely talk themselves into defending the Russian gangster state. Having justified the appalling behavior of reactionaries abroad, it’s only natural they would validate one here at home."

Exactly.
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Re: Putin's Troll Factories

Postby Searcher08 » Tue Aug 30, 2016 10:16 am

George Soros’ ‘Open Society Foundations’ Named 2016’s LEAST Transparent Think Tank
(and by Soros funded organisation)

http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/06/george-soros-open-society-foundations-named-2016s-least-transparent-think-tank/#ixzz4IpCLyhi9

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Transparify examined think tanks in 47 countries across the globe and rated “the extent to which think tanks publicly disclose through their websites where their funding comes from” on a scale of 0-5, with o being “highly opaque” and 5 being “highly transparent.”

Of the 200 think tanks included in the analysis, OSF was one of only nine to receive a rating of 0, “highly opaque.”
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Re: Putin's Troll Factories

Postby MacCruiskeen » Tue Aug 30, 2016 10:53 am

American Dream » Tue Aug 30, 2016 9:00 am wrote:
American Dream » Thu Aug 18, 2016 9:38 am wrote: http://countervortex.org/node/14978#comment-453612

Fascist pseudo-anti-fascism strikes again

Submitted by Bill Weinberg on Wed, 08/17/2016 - 20:05

Is the stupid fucking 'left' really so out of wack as to look at all this and see Hillary and Obama and Biden as the fascists and Assad and Seselj and Putin as anti-fascists? Are you fools really that far down the rabbit hole?

Too many we talk to bandy about the apocryphal and misunderstood Mussolini quote "fascism is corporatism" to argue that centrist Democrats are the actual fascists. They are only displaying their ignorance of what Mussolini meant by "corporatism"—a system of state control of society that "incorporated" labor unions and other mass organizations into the party-bureaucratic apparatus, having nothing to do with corporations in the business sense. We have had to point out this error again and again and again.

Worse, many go yet further and assume that the extremoid populists and nationalists are therefore anti-fascists. A phenomenon we call fascist pseudo-anti-fascism—and have similarly had to call out again and again and again.

These chickens are indeed in danger of coming home to roost. A piece on Daily Beast warns: "Beware the Hillary Clinton-Loathing, Donald Trump-Loving Useful Idiots of the Left." It is somewhat problematic, failing to recognize how the centrist Democrats are indeed part of the problem, by pushing a neoliberal agenda that breeds a backlash to be exploited by ugly populists. But it provides a spot-on critique of pseudo-left Putinphilia, and how itsmorally corrupting effects may pave the way for fascism here in the US : "Some progressives, ...captive to a crude and [b]one-dimensional anti-Americanism, routinely talk themselves into defending the Russian gangster state. Having justified the appalling behavior of reactionaries abroad, it’s only natural they would validate one here at home."

Exactly.


Well, AD, since it's the ductus and vocabulary of a post you go out of your way to quote and re-post here with approval, allow me to adopt the same ductus and vocabulary as Mister Bill Weinberg:

Are the stupid fucking fools who post this shit really so out of wack as to look at all this and see Hillary and Obama and Biden as the anti-fascists? As the anti-imperialists? Are they really so fucking stupid as to be incapable of seeing that Syria is merely the latest item on the neocons' twenty-year-old shopping list?

The fucking Daily Beast? Quoted with approval? Really? It provides "a spot-on critique" of "pseudo-left Putinphilia"? Really? And of "one-dimensional anti-Americanism"?

Tell us who invaded and destroyed Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya, AD. Was it Assad? Was it Putin? I think we should be told, by you.

Some progressives, ...captive to a crude and one-dimensional anti-Americanism, routinely talk themselves into defending the Russian gangster state


Which "progressives" would they be, AD? Name names, if they exist. And then name names of anyone here who has supported those allegedly-existent "progressives" (sic).

Your slip is showing, American Dream. This is truly cretinous stuff. (And calling it cretinous is by far the most charitable interpretation available. Other, much less charitable, interpretations come very easily to mind.)

"American Dream", indeed. I am not asleep. therefore I don't believe it.





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Re: Putin's Troll Factories

Postby brainpanhandler » Tue Aug 30, 2016 1:12 pm

HRC stood on a stage with this monster in New Hampshire.



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Re: Putin's Troll Factories

Postby PufPuf93 » Tue Aug 30, 2016 2:39 pm

Those are repulsive video clips of what passes for political leadership in the USA posted by Mac and BPH.

Psychopaths all.
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Re: Putin's Troll Factories

Postby American Dream » Tue Sep 06, 2016 4:02 pm

https://twitter.com/sakirkhader/status/ ... 0273226756

This is what Assad's victories look like.


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Re: Putin's Troll Factories

Postby MacCruiskeen » Tue Sep 06, 2016 4:15 pm

#i-know-it's-terrible-isn't-it

#inthecontextofnocontext

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Re: Putin's Troll Factories

Postby backtoiam » Wed Sep 07, 2016 11:25 pm

@Mac

^^^Which is why I loathe and despise the Clinton/Obama/democratic party and all it has become. They are you know, "the left", and they were supposed to arguing against this. Instead they...

https://youtu.be/yn6yktWU5qA


The people in Libya had:

There is no electricity bill in Libya; electricity is free for all its citizens.

There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at zero percent interest by law.

Having a home considered a human right in Libya.

All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 dinar (U.S.$50,000) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the family.

Education and medical treatments are free in Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25 percent of Libyans were literate. Today, the figure is 83 percent.

Should Libyans want to take up farming career, they would receive farming land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and livestock to kickstart their farms are all for free.

If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need, the government funds them to go abroad, for it is not only paid for, but they get a U.S.$2,300/month for accommodation and car allowance.

If a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidizes 50 percent of the price.
The price of petrol in Libya is $0.14 per liter.

Libya has no external debt and its reserves amounting to $150 billion are now frozen globally.

If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession, as if he or she is employed, until employment is found.

A portion of every Libyan oil sale is credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens.

A mother who gives birth to a child receive U.S.$5,000.

40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $0.15.

25 percent of Libyans have a university degree.

Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project, known as the Great

Manmade River project, to make water readily available throughout the desert country.

And that demonic bitch was front and center along with the rest of the legion of demons in the democratic party and they went over there and incinerated those people babies and all. It is hard for me to find a whole lot of disgust for Trump compared to this demonic greedy bunch of blood sucking jerks. Trump is but a baby in training compared to these vampires. Not to mention they are the "protectors" of brown people. Scum, pure scum. They are even an insult to scum in a sewer pond itself. (sorry scum)

And the phrase "far right" is still alive and well. :ohno:
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Re: Putin's Troll Factories

Postby American Dream » Fri Sep 16, 2016 1:54 pm

William Onyeabor - Better Change Your Mind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7kaOntQbsw

America, You ever think this world is yours?
And you Russia, You ever think this world is yours?
You China, You ever think this world is yours?
And you Cuba, hey ya! You ever think this world is yours?
Canada, You ever think this world is yours?
And you Britain, hey ya! You ever think this world is yours?
If you are thinking so, my friends Better change your mind
If you are thinking so, my friends Better change your mind Because there is no other one, except God, who owns this world
And you France, You ever think this world is yours?
And you rich man, hey ya, you ever think this world is yours?
You white man, you ever think this world is yours?
And you black man, hey ya, you ever think this world is yours? Leaders, you ever think this world is yours?
President, hey ya, you ever think this world is yours?
If you are thinking so, my friends Better change your mind
If you are thinking so, my friends Better change your mind Because there is no other one, except God, who owns this world.
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Re: Putin's Troll Factories

Postby American Dream » Tue Sep 27, 2016 8:33 am

Who’s Afraid of ‘Russia Today’?

Donald Trump’s taboo friendly posture to Russia has pundits in a frenzy. Every day we have takes in major media outlets insisting Trump is a de facto Kremlin agent, a pro-Clinton Super PAC has launched a Web site to “raise awareness” of “the dangerous Putin-Trump connection” that even comes complete with a hammer and sickle (despite the fact that both Putin and Trump are ardent capitalists), and MSNBC’s Joy Ann Reid had on a guest who suggested Putin would invade Ukraine to steer the election Trump’s way. One subgenre of this frenzy is a renewed focus on Russian-funded English language cable network Russia Today, which critics have accused of going to bat for Trump and working to undermine Clinton.

The latest example of this sub-take is Jim Rutenberg, media columnist for The New York Times. In “Larry King, the Russian Media and a Partisan Landscape,” Rutenberg muses on the rise of relativism and the loss of objective truth in media. This is a typical frame when discussing the uniquely sinister nature of RT, and it’s one worth dissecting in detail.

Rutenberg begins by citing RT’s lockstep support for the Russian invasion of Crimea as evidence it’s not a real news source. However, it’s worth noting, The New York Times‘s editorial board has supported every single US war—Persian Gulf, Bosnia, Kosovo, Iraq, Libya—for the past 30 years. While its reporting and op-eds on these wars has often been critical, much of it’s coverage has also helped to sell war-weary liberals on the current military mission—the most notable example being Judith Miller and Michael Gordon’s hyping Iraq’s nonexistent nuclear program in the buildup to the March 2003 invasion. Indeed, the image of The New York Times as an objective, unbiased news outlet is precisely how it was able to sell the war in the first place. The difference is one of efficacy, not affect.

In January, for example, The New York Times opposed Obama’s expanding the ISIS war to Libya. Six months later, after Obama started bombing targets in the country, it did a 180 and endorsed the new war. Perhaps media analysts like Rutenberg should spend more time questioning why this is, why the Times always agrees with the US position on starting wars. Either The New York Times dispassionately looked at the evidence and just so happened to agree with the US government 100 percent of the time, or there are other factors, such as ideology and groupthink, beyond the top-down government-control model of an RT. Examining these forces would be a better use of Rutenberg’s considerable influence than being the one-millionth person in US media stoking outrage over a network that even its harshest critics insist reaches fewer than 30,000 Americans a day. (RT disputes these figures, putting the total at over 1 million a day.)

This isn’t to draw an equivalence; indeed, The New York Times and RT are apples and oranges in many ways. It’s essential in proper liberal circles to “other” RT, to remind people how it’s not real news and that, while American media have problems, they’re on a different moral plane. This tic mostly serves the function of signaling one’s “seriousness” and ingratiating oneself to the prevailing orthodoxy. (It certainly can’t provide any new insight, since this is already the conventional wisdom.) And while there are many good arguments to this effect, it’s a tedious form of ideology auditing and not one I wish to indulge for the purposes of this piece. The more important question is not whether RT is “propaganda”; it’s whether the nonstop insisting that it is—in some unique and pernicious way—serves any useful function beyond careerist signaling and anti-Russian point scoring.

The odds are, the average American is far more likely to hear about how terrible RT is than actually watch RT. From The New York Times to Time to BuzzFeed to The Daily Beast to Politico to The Washington Post, virtually every major American news outlet has dedicated considerable time to column inches to reminding us how sinister the Russian-funded network is. The question is, who cares? Russia Today’s reach is relatively minor. What, one may ask, are we so scared of? More speech, as the adage goes, is always better than less speech. Soviet propaganda added urgency to the United States’ taking the civil-rights movement seriously. Japanese propaganda was, according to Douglas Blackmon in his book Slavery by Another Name, one of the primary reasons Franklin Roosevelt sought to end debt peonage for African-Americans in the South. Getting trolled, for lack of a better term, by counties hostile to your interest can have healthy consequences.


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Re: Putin's Troll Factories

Postby elfismiles » Tue Nov 29, 2016 12:14 pm

Anybody got any good links on the alleged Trump - Alfa-Bank Server stories?

I saw some in the Trump is seriously derangerous thread but ...

http://heatst.com/world/exclusive-fbi-g ... to-russia/

https://theintercept.com/2016/11/01/her ... il-server/

http://www.snopes.com/trump-server-tied ... sian-bank/

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trum ... alfa-bank/


Meanwhile back to OT:

Russian Intel Bots Are Boosting Infowars Alt-Right Twitter Accounts For Trump
By Louise Mensch | 1:41 pm, November 6, 2016

http://heatst.com/world/russian-intel-b ... for-trump/
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Re: Putin's Troll Factories

Postby Searcher08 » Tue Nov 29, 2016 1:07 pm

Russian Intel Bots Are Boosting Infowars Alt-Right Twitter Accounts For Trump

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Re: Putin's Troll Factories

Postby justdrew » Thu Dec 22, 2016 4:02 am

http://boingboing.net/2016/12/21/methbot-a-3m-5mday-video-a.html

^ so who thinks only one 'group' is able to assemble a software system like that?

it's not that complicated, and can be used to make real money, as well as significantly influence broad perceptions of popularity.

The online advertising business is totally bogus, except it apparently works, to some extent. For instance, people exist that apparently actually read spam e-mail. Hard to believe, but seemingly true. Serious money is still spent daily on e-mail marketing spam campaigns.

as for the web, click-fraud is probably 50% of all ad exposures, or more.

Next time you see a video with millions of views, remember, those are purchasable. etc

The entire "bigtime" internet is based on semi-automated advertising systems, along therefore with a large part of the jobs in 'the tech sector' (not most, but almost all the 'sexy' jobs)

The entire bottom is ready to fall out of the US economy is my sense, and internet ads are one of the few 'semi functional' aspects of it, if that goes, what else is there? Building fortifications around your town's citadels?
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