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Re: Palestine

Postby stickdog99 » Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:57 pm

https://madhavasetty.substack.com/p/israels-911

Israel's 9/11

The similarities are uncanny...

It’s only been a few days since Hamas attacked Israel. It’s being called Israel’s 9/11. I agree.

On October 7, the terrorist organization, Hamas, was able to breach IDF (Israeli Defense Forces) barriers and conduct attacks on innocent Israeli citizens, taking hostages and killing many more. Latest reports indicate 1,300 Israelis were murdered and over 3,000 have been injured.

As the world tried to make sense of this senseless aggression, even more horrific details emerged…

On October 10, NBC reported this in an article titled, “At least 40 babies killed, beheaded in Israeli kibbutz outside Gaza Strip, reports say”

Israel Defense Forces Major General Itai Veruv described the scene in Kfar Aza as a "massacre" Tuesday, calling it unlike something Israel has witnessed in "recent history."

“It’s not a war, it’s not a battlefield, it’s a massacre,” Veruv told The Times of Israel. “You see the babies, their mothers and their fathers, in their bedrooms, and in their protected rooms, and how the terrorists killed them ... It's something that I never saw in my life."


Beheaded infants?? The public is understandably outraged. But how are we to understand what we are being told under these circumstances? How much of what is being reported is factual?

Today, NBC in a follow-up piece admits that reports of decapitated infants cannot be confirmed.

Let’s look at how Reuters covered the story on October 9th, two days after the massacre of innocent Israelis, in an article “How Hamas duped Israel as it planned devastating attack”:

Here are the key statements in the Reuters article. Citing unnamed sources in Israeli intelligence and one close to Hamas:

“Saturday's assault, the worst breach in Israel's defences since Arab armies waged war in 1973, followed two years of subterfuge by Hamas that involved keeping its military plans under wraps and convincing Israel it did not want a fight.”

"Hamas used an unprecedented intelligence tactic to mislead Israel over the last months, by giving a public impression that it was not willing to go into a fight or confrontation with Israel while preparing for this massive operation,"

Israel concedes it was caught off guard by an attack timed to coincide with the Jewish Sabbath and a religious holiday.

Israel has long prided itself on its ability to infiltrate and monitor Islamist groups. As a consequence, the source close to Hamas said, a crucial part of the plan was to avoid leaks.

Many Hamas leaders were unaware of the plans and, while training, the 1,000 fighters deployed in the assault had no inkling of the exact purpose of the exercises, the source added.

When the day came, the operation was divided into four parts, the Hamas source said, describing the various elements.

The first move was a barrage of 3,000 rockets fired from Gaza that coincided with incursions by fighters who flew hang gliders, or motorised paragliders, over the border, the source said. Israel has previously said 2,500 rockets were fired at first.

Once the fighters on hang-gliders were on the ground, they secured the terrain so an elite commando unit could storm the fortified electronic and cement wall built by Israel to prevent infiltration.

The fighters used explosives to breach the barriers and then sped across on motorbikes. Bulldozers widened the gaps and more fighters entered in four-wheel drives, scenes that witnesses described.

A commando unit attacked the Israeli army's southern Gaza headquarters and jammed its communications, preventing personnel from calling commanders or each other, the source said.

Dennis Ross, a former Middle East negotiator who is now at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, said Israel had been distracted by violence in the West Bank, leading to a "thin, under-prepared presence in the south."

"Hamas probably succeeded beyond their expectation. Now they will have to deal with an Israel determined to decimate them," he said
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To summarize Reuters:

Hamas was able to keep the preparation for this horrific attack from the eyes and ears of arguably the most sophisticated surveillance and best intelligence organizations in the world.

Israel Defense Forces were caught off guard because Hamas diabolically chose to attack during the Sabbath and on a religious holiday. Moreover, the southern border with Gaza was left unprepared

Hamas fighters on hang gliders secured the area so that a fortified wall could be breached by an “elite” commando unit. This led to an attack on Israeli headquarters in the area, and Hamas was able to prevent communication of the attacks to Israeli command.

Prior to the ground attack, Hamas had been able to position and arm a large number of rocket launchers and train 1,000 fighters without detection. Hamas was able to trick the IDF by giving them the impression that they were not interested in conflict using “an unprecedented intelligence tactic”.

Because of their success, Hamas should now expect to be decimated.

The loss of so many innocent Israeli lives is tragic, but is this really the story we are being asked to accept? Hamas kept their plans under wraps for two years? Since when is the Mossad interested in “public impressions”?

Efrat Fenigson, an Israeli journalist who served with the IDF on the border with Gaza 25 years ago also challenges the narrative being constructed around this event.

In this 100 minute long conversation with Dark Horse podcast host, Bret Weinstein, Fenigson explains her issues with the story the public is being told. Big points:

It is absurd that an attack of this magnitude could have been planned and executed without IDF detection.

Hamas breached the border with Israel in fifteen different places. Surely one of the incursions would have triggered an immediate and automatic response.

Border patrols say that they attempted to report the attack up the chain of command but their calls were not answered.

Israeli fighter pilots tweeted that they had engaged Hamas fighters yet people on the ground saw no evidence of this anywhere in the skies.

For months a former Israeli general had been warning the government that defensive forces at the border were inadequate. His warnings went unheeded and he was shadow-banned by Israeli media.

If their intention was to leverage the release of Hamas prisoners, it would make far more sense to capture Israeli citizens, not kill them too. What was the real intent of such acts if not to instigate a devastating response from Israel?



The overarching theme of this discussion is how the oversimplified version of the story points to the very real possibility that the IDF was fully aware that Hamas was planning this incursion into Israeli territory and let it happen to justify a shock and awe campaign against their strongholds in Palestine as well as bigger targets on the world stage.

Does this sound vaguely familiar to you?

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Re: Palestine

Postby DrEvil » Thu Oct 12, 2023 6:01 pm

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Israel-Palestine war: The incendiary rhetoric deployed by Israeli leaders

Israeli leaders have referred to Palestinians as beasts and called for a second Nakba, the reoccupation of Gaza and the use of nuclear weapons

By MEE staff Published date: 12 October 2023 14:46 BST | Last update: 7 hours 22 mins ago

Israeli leaders have not just responded to Hamas's Saturday attack with bombs, bullets, and the cutting of water, electricity, food, and fuel supplies to the besieged Gaza Strop.

Senior Israeli politicians and military officials have deployed a barrage of dehumanising and incendiary rhetoric in public and used the language of collective punishment when describing their military response.

Palestinians have been described as "human animals" and "beasts", with one former Israeli general saying his military "must create an unprecedented humanitarian disaster in Gaza".

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and other politicians have spoken in apocalyptic terms about enacting revenge.

“We will destroy them and we will forcefully avenge this dark day that they have forced on the state of Israel and its citizens,” Netanyahu said on Sunday.

“All of the places which Hamas is deployed, hiding and operating in, that wicked city, we will turn them into rubble. I say to the residents of Gaza: leave now because we will operate forcefully everywhere.”

The residents of Gaza, who number over two million, are subject to an air, land, and sea blockade and have nowhere to go.

Israelis have also been subject to fierce criticism, with the space for nuance severely restricted.

Political analyst Akiva Eldar told Al Jazeera that Israelis like him, who in the past has been critical of the Israeli occupation and government, have been abused online and branded as "traitors".

Figures on the Israeli far-right have argued for the reoccupation of Gaza, the establishment of settlements there, and the banning of Muslims from the al-Aqsa mosque complex, known as Temple Mount to Jews.

The use of dehumanising language is not new. Menachem Begin, Israel's sixth prime minister and the founder of Likud, the party now led by current prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu, referred to Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat as a "beast on two legs".

More recently, in the wake of a violent rampage by Israeli settlers through the Palestinian village of Huwwara in February, Israel's far-right finance minister Bezalel Smotrich said: "The Palestinian village of Huwwara should be wiped out. The state needs to do it and not private citizens."

As of Thursday, over 1,350 Palestinians and 1,300 Israelis had died in the ongoing war.

The Israeli air force has been hitting Gaza with air strikes since Saturday, blowing apart refugee camps and destroying dozens and dozens of civilian buildings, including residential homes, mosques, hospitals, and banks.

Over the last six days, Israel has vowed to retaliate in a variety of ways, with officials including Netanyahu branding Hamas, whose fighters have reportedly killed children and other civilians during their attacks, "worse than Isis (Islamic State)".

Here, Middle East Eye looks at some of the comments that have been made by Israeli officials.

A second Nakba

On Saturday Ariel Kallner, a member of Israel's parliament representing the Likud party, called for a second Nakba ("catastrophe" in Arabic) to take place in Gaza.

The word refers to the ethnic cleansing of Palestine by Zionist militias to make way for the creation of Israel in 1948.

“Right now, one goal: Nakba! A Nakba that will overshadow the Nakba of '48. Nakba in Gaza and Nakba to anyone who dares to join! Their Nakba, because like then in 1948, the alternative is clear,” Kallner wrote on X, formerly Twitter.

“Turn off the enemy now! This day is our Pearl Harbor. We will still learn the lessons. Right now, one goal: Nakba!”

'Human animals'

On Monday, Israel's Defence Minister Yoav Gallant described Palestinians as "human animals" and vowed to "act accordingly," as fighter jets unleashed a massive bombing campaign on the Gaza Strip.

Gallant announced a "complete siege" of Gaza, saying Israel would cut off all electricity, food, and fuel supplies to the enclave. On Wednesday, Gaza’s only power plant stopped working.

The air, land, and sea blockade, which has gone on for more than 15 years, has had a catastrophic impact on hospitals and Palestinians who have been displaced after the bombing of their homes.

'Unprecedented human disaster'

Former Israeli General Giora Eiland has said that Israel “must create an unprecedented humanitarian disaster in Gaza”, saying that the "ultimate tool" is damage to the water system.

“Only the mobilisation of tens of thousands and the cry of the international community will create the leverage for Gaza to be either without Hamas or without people. We are in an existential war,” Eiland said.

Cutting water to the Gaza Strip has raised concerns over the spread of disease as thousands of displaced Palestinians gather in schools to seek shelter, with no access to toilets, showers, or drinking water.

Medical officials in Palestine have said the situation could eventually lead to an outbreak of scabies, while Palestinians have said the situation is particularly difficult for women and young girls.

On Wednesday, social media platforms were awash with women in Gaza shedding light on the impact of Israel’s bombardment on women.

According to one social media user, five pregnant women suffered from severe colic, later causing them to miscarry their babies. The miscarriages have been attributed to the extreme fear felt by the women while Israel pummelled the besieged enclave.

The UN estimates that food and water supplies in Gaza will run out in less than 10 days.

Reoccupy Gaza

Hamas's war crimes have given the Israeli far-right an opportunity to advance their "messianic agenda" beyond the Israeli army response in Gaza, argues Yehuda Shaul, co-founder of anti-occupation Israeli veterans' group Breaking the Silence.

This includes the reoccupation of Gaza and the establishment of Israeli settlements there. In an article on Wednesday, right-wing journalist and activist Arnon Segal wrote: "Who dreamed even last week that there would be a wall-to-wall agreement in the Israeli public that the Gaza Strip should be reoccupied?"

Segal argued that it was only in "such terrible circumstances" that Israel's leaders would decide to reoccupy Gaza, "from which we fled 30 years ago".

Israel has called up 300,000 reservists and is mobilising along the perimeter fence that separates the besieged enclave from the rest of the world.

'Doomsday weapon'

Israeli member of parliament Revital Gotliv called on Israel to consider using nuclear weapons on Hamas, in a social media post on Monday.

"Jericho missile! Jericho missile! A strategic alert, before we consider introducing our forces. A doomsday weapon!” she wrote.

Jericho missiles refer to an intermediate-range ballistic missile developed and produced by Israel. The weapons have a 4,800-6,500 km range and are reportedly equipped with a 750kg nuclear warhead.

"Only an explosion that shakes the Middle East will restore this country's dignity, strength, and security! It's time to kiss doomsday," Gotliv added in another post.

The politician called on Israel to “shoot powerful missiles without limit. Not flattening a neighbourhood. Crushing and flattening Gaza.”

Reduce Gaza to 'city of tents'

On Wednesday, an Israeli army official told Channel 13 News that “Gaza is going to be razed to the ground".

The official added that the besieged enclave would be reduced to a “city of tents".

The official said that no building would remain standing in the region.

Similar comments were later made by US Senator Lindsey Graham, who told Fox News: “We are fighting a religious war, and I am on Israel’s side. Israel needs to do whatever it takes, raze this place to the ground.”
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Re: Palestine

Postby stickdog99 » Thu Oct 12, 2023 6:01 pm

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Things That Happened in the Week Before the Atrocities in Israel

Who knew what when?

A summary of things that happened in the week before the bloodshed in Israel:

Ten days before the killing of innocent civilians, Egypt warned Israel.

According to a senior Egyptian source, about ten days before Hamas's surprise attack on Israeli territory, the Egyptian Minister of Intelligence, General Abbas Kamel, contacted Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office, warning of "something unusual, a terrible operation" that was about to take place from the direction of Gaza.


Four days before the attack, western allies said they are running out of ammunition for Ukraine.

Western military powers are running out of ammunition to give Ukraine to defend itself against Russia's full-scale invasion, the UK and Nato have warned.

Adm Rob Bauer, Nato's most senior military official, told the Warsaw Security Forum that "the bottom of the barrel is now visible".

UK Defence Minister James Heappey told the forum that Western military stockpiles were "looking a bit thin" and urged Nato allies to spend 2% of their national wealth on defence, as they had committed to do.

Swedish Defence Minister Pol Jonson said it was vital for Europe to get its defence industrial base in shape to support Ukraine for the long term. "Because we're digging pretty deep now into our pockets, into our stocks," he said.

Analysts say that in contrast, Russia appears much more able to gear up its wartime economy to replenish its own stockpiles.


Four days before the attack, a number of European countries appeared to have a change of heart over supporting Ukraine.

In a Sept. 20 interview with local broadcaster Polsat News, Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki declared that, while maintaining support for Kyiv’s fight against Moscow’s invasion, his government has halted weapon supplies to Ukraine to focus on arming Poland’s armed forces.

“We don’t donate any arms to Ukraine anymore, because we are now arming ourselves with the most modern weapons.”

Another important Eastern European partner Ukraine has been able to count on previously has been Slovakia.

Yet, similar to what has taken place in Poland, the country appears to be changing its stance on arming Ukrainian troops. This change of heart has been driven by the newly elected pro-Russian Prime Minister in Slovakia, Robert Fico. One of the politician’s electoral slogans was “Not a single round,” for Ukraine, where he vowed to end military support to the war torn country.

Three days before the attack, western politicians began distancing themselves from Ukraine. The removal of US House Speaker Kevin McCarty meant funds were drying up.

Without a Speaker, the House is unable to pass legislation, and it may be a week or more before a successor is elected – throwing America’s military backing for Kyiv into doubt. The vote to remove McCarthy follows a weekend deal in which funding for the government was extended for 45 days – but in which no provision was made for fresh aid to Ukraine. That left the Biden administration’s $24 billion request for fresh military aid, submitted to Congress in the summer, in limbo. It also left the coffers dangerously low.

McCarthy has now lost his role and has ruled out running for Speaker again. While it’s unclear who might succeed him, several potential candidates are skeptical about continuing support for Ukraine at current levels.

McCarthy himself warned: “Our members have a lot of questions, especially on the accountability provisions of what we want to see with the money that gets sent.”


Three days before Hamas’ deadly cross-border raid, Egypt once again warned Israel about the potential violence.

House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee head Michael McCaul told reporters of the alleged warning.

"We know that Egypt has warned the Israelis three days prior that an event like this could happen," Mr McCaul told reporters following a closed-door intelligence briefing on Wednesday for lawmakers about the Middle East crisis, according to AFP news agency.

"I don't want to get too much into classified, but a warning was given," the Texas Republican added. "I think the question was at what level."


Two days before the terrorist attack, over 100 people were killed in an attack on a military academy in Syria.

It was one of the bloodiest attacks ever against a Syrian army installation, and unprecedented in its use of weaponised drones in a country that has endured 12 years of civil war.

Civilians and military personnel were killed in the attack on the military academy in the central province of Homs, Syria’s defence ministry said in a statement, adding “terrorist” groups had used drones to carry it out.

The statement did not specify an organisation and no group immediately claimed responsibility for the attack.

Syria’s defence and foreign ministries vowed in written statements to respond “with full force” to the attack.


Two days before the Israeli Rave Massacre, where at least 260 people were killed, the organisers moved the location of the festival to within earshot of the Gaza Strip.

Universo Paralello was not origintally intended to take place at the Re’im site, with organizers moving it to this location only two days before it started, when another site in southern Israel fell through. The new site at Re’im featured a pair of stages, with the Israeli producer Artifex playing the mainstage when the attack started. Gaster was told that the attackers closed the road into the festival from both sides so attendees could not escape.


Two days before the attack, Hamas were “rocked by Israeli spy penetrating its highest ranks”.

An Israeli intelligence agent successfully infiltrated the upper echelons of Hamas in Lebanon, sending shockwaves through the terror organization and causing significant embarrassment.

The agent in question, identified as Khalil Abu Ma’za, a Hamas operative from the Gaza Strip, had been operating undercover for years, working closely with Israeli intelligence.

The reports also say Lebanese authorities arrested him towards the end of September.

The successful infiltration of a Hamas operative into the upper ranks of the organization has caused significant embarrassment and concern among its leadership. Saleh Arouri, who is believed to be a top target for Israeli assassination, is said to be particularly worried about the security breach.

According to Lebanese intelligence reports, Abu Ma’za was originally tasked with infiltrating the leadership of Hamas in the Gaza Strip, a mission he carried out with remarkable success. Under the guidance of his Israeli handlers, he climbed the ranks of Hamas, especially within its Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades.

Now, authorities in Lebanon are investigating whether Abu Ma’za managed to establish additional cells and whether he poses a threat to the top leadership of Hamas in future conflicts.


One day before the attack, the US approved the release of $75 million of aid to Palestine.

In a quiet move bypassing Republican obstructionism, US Secretary of State Antony Blinken has approved the release of $75 million in crucial food assistance for Palestinians just hours before the funds were set to be redistributed elsewhere.


Hours before the onslaught, Israel Defense Forces Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Herzi Halevi and a series of IDF generals held a phone consultation on the situation in Gaza.

A Channel 12 report on Thursday said that Halevi and a series of IDF generals held a phone consultation on the situation in Gaza just hours ahead of the Hamas onslaught, due to some warnings and irregularities. However, the generals involved, including IDF Southern Command chief Yaron Finkelman and Military Intelligence Directorate chief Aharon Haliva, reportedly decided to wait until morning in order to respond. The Hamas assault began around 6 a.m.

IDF spokesman Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari told reporters Thursday that there were no major intelligence warnings, but confirmed there had been some “signs.”
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Re: Palestine

Postby Belligerent Savant » Thu Oct 12, 2023 11:07 pm

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In George Orwell's Dystopian Classic '1984', he describes a way in which the tyrannical government was able to psychologically control the public called 'two minutes hate'.

For two minutes the people would stare at a screen, portraying an enemy of the governments choosing, and scream at it.

"But even as we grasp at victory, there is a cancer, an evil tumor, growing, spreading in our midst. SHOUT! Shout! Shout out his name!"

Atrocities and images of war race across the screen as the people rage. No one asking any questions, and, of course, no one was actually there to personally witness these atrocities. None the less, any passion that could be channeled to confront the actual oppressor is refocused and diffused at an imaginary one.



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Re: Palestine

Postby stickdog99 » Fri Oct 13, 2023 12:07 am

Nobody Can Support This Once They See It. "Pure Panic Everywhere You Look," "Gaza Is Under A Complete Seige. No Water, No Food, No Electricity, and No Escape."

Abandon your positions, all. We’re in a terra incognita, a brand new hell— a completely devastating world of ruin, where (from the comfort of computer screens) leading Western “intellectuals” are backing the “liquidation” of innocent men, women and children in Gaza. The pressure was intense, to not object, due to the intensity of the atrocities, such as they were reported to us, such as we understood them. We struggled to figure out what was real and what was atrocity propaganda. Meanwhile, to me at least, the reality of the seige on Gaza remained remote. It was plumes of smoke, and Joe Biden or Anthony Blinken standing at a lectern, muttering the usual platitudes.

We all speak of things not seeming real, these days— things being staged, cloudy, unsourced, impossible to know.

I took a break from the book work and went for a walk, uneasy, queasy, suddenly wanting to cry, but trapped in a rubbery numbness, which has been in place since the late winter of 2020.

I can’t call my father, he’s dead. He loved Israel and supported her with heart and soul, as many American Jews do, understandably.

I really needed to talk to him, and to release myself from the straightjackets of guilt. Nausea was present. Hamas is not the Palestinian people; Netanyahu is not the Israeli people.

I do not believe he would have supported this.

Everybody’s trying to figure out whether it’s alright to express horror over the Gaza siege, and somehow, even though we know 2.2 million people live there, and half are apparently children, we still seek permission to be horrified. We seek the right words to say: “We don’t condone the atrocities of Hamas.” “We don’t support terrorism.” “We don’t condone babies heads being cut off!” Amidst all this, many social media channels went back and forth about whether the babies found mutilated was “real” or not, and of course, what role Israel played in either allowing this to happen or, possibly, worse.

Came back to hotel room and typed in “Gaza” on an Instagram search.

Maybe it’s best I don’t comment or narrate much, except to say, it was, for me, the first time I actually was exposed to the reality of what is happening there, as I type this, as you read it.

Everybody may as well abandon anything they thought they knew, along with well guarded positions on this. It is actually possible to see it, with your own eyes, by typing “Gaza” into the search bar, and watching even a few minutes of the documentary reels the local people and journalists have put up.

Once you see it, everything falls away, except shock, sorrow, and grief. You were asked to view these people as less than human, or be indifferent to their plight because of what Hamas did.

We have many rights, but we do not have the right to not see what is now-see-able, from Gaza.

It is an atrocity beyond measure.

Every last human being must cease tribalist bloodlust expressions and demand an immediate TRUCE. I quickly collected some reels and images and share them here, in haste. You can follow the linked accounts, and you can choose to see more of this or you can choose to look away.

I am stone cold horrified and my heart is pounding.

I am no longer worried about seeming disloyal to my Jewish family or people I know who “support Israel.” I believe there is no such position anymore—Israel has bombed it to dust and blood. The blood of innocent children, and human beings, who did nothing (needless to say) to deserve this. Once you see the images and video footage, you will find there is quite literally no such thing as “supporting this.”

Yesterday Greg Reese told me Christians are supporting this, and I scarcely believed him. I think they would no longer do so if they saw these images.

Everything people once “thought” or “believed” is mute now. As for disapproval and scorn, accusations of being insensitive to the plight of Israel, I’ll take it, I don’t care. The Jerusalem Post has reported four out of five Israelis now believe the Israeli government of Netanyahu is complicit in the Hamas led massacre that precipitated this.

But this is a seige of completely trapped people, cruelly instructed by Netanyahu to “get out now.” As one video journalist said: “We have been told to get out, but where do we go and how do we get there?”

Video clips are linked, between the photos.

A few minutes of life in Gaza right now, here.

*****

I don't have the stomach to link the pictures.

They are at the bottom of the article.
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Re: Palestine

Postby stickdog99 » Sun Oct 15, 2023 1:35 pm

Jonathan Cook: What the media forgets to tell you about Israel and Gaza

Ignore the fake news. Israel isn't defending itself. It's enforcing its right to continue ethnically cleansing Palestinians.

The missing context for what's happening in Gaza is that Israel has been working night and day to ethnically cleanse the Palestinian people from their homeland since even before Israel become a state – when it was known as the Zionist movement.

Israel didn't just cleanse Palestinians in 1948, when it was founded as a Western colonial project, and again under cover of a regional war in 1967. It also worked to ethnically cleanse Palestinians every day between those dates and afterwards. The aim was to move them off their historic lands, and either expel them beyond Israel’s new, expanded borders or concentrate them into small ghettoes inside those borders – as a holding measure until they could be expelled outside the borders.

The 'settler' project, as we call it, is a misnomer. It's really Israel's ethnic cleansing programme. Israel even has a special word for it in Hebrew: 'Judaisation', or making the land Jewish. It is official government policy.

Gaza was the largest of the Palestinian reservations created by Israel's ethnic cleansing programme, and the most overcrowded. To stop the inhabitants spilling out, Israel built a fence-barrier in the early 1990s to pen them in. Then when policing became too hard from within the prison, Israel pulled back in 2005 to the outer perimeter barrier.

New technology allowed Israel to besiege Gaza remotely by land, sea and air in 2007, limiting the entry of food and vital items like medicine and cement for construction. Automated gun towers shot anyone who came near the fence. The navy patrolled the sea, stopping boats straying more than a kilometre or two off shore. And drones watched 24 hours a day from the sky.

The people of Gaza were sealed in and largely forgotten, except when they lobbed a few rockets over the fence – to international indignation. If they fired too many rockets, Israel bombed them mercilessly and occasionally launched a ground invasion. The rocket threat was increasingly neutralised by a rocket interception system, paid for the US, called Iron Dome.

Palestinians tried to be more inventive in finding ways to break out of their prison. They built tunnels. But Israel found ways to identify those that ran close to the fence and destroyed them.

Palestinians tried to get attention by protesting en masse at the fence. Israeli snipers were ordered to shoot them in the legs, leading to thousands of amputees.

The 'deterrence' seemed to work. Israel could once again sit back and let the Palestinians rot in Gaza. 'Quiet' had been restored.

Until, that is, last weekend when Hamas broke out briefly and ran amok, killing civilians and soldiers alike.

So Israel now needs a new policy. It looks like the ethnic cleansing programme is being applied to Gaza anew. The half of the population in the enclave's north is being herded south, where there are not the resources to cope with them. And even if there were, Israel has cut off food, water and power to everyone in Gaza.

The enclave is quickly becoming a pressure cooker. The pressure is meant to build on Egypt to allow the Palestinians entry into Sinai on 'humanitarian' grounds.

Whatever the media are telling you, the 'conflict' – that is, Israel's ethnic cleansing programme – started long before Hamas appeared on the scene. In fact, Hamas emerged very late, as the predictable response to Israel's violent colonisation project.

And no turning point was reached a week ago. This has all been playing out in slow motion for more than 100 years.

Ignore the fake news. Israel isn't defending itself. It's enforcing its right to continue ethnically cleansing Palestinians.
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Re: Palestine

Postby stickdog99 » Mon Oct 16, 2023 3:12 pm

CJ Hopkins: Israel's 9/11

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Here is what things are, in a nutshell.

Israel is a nation-state. It is doing what a lot of nation-states have done throughout the history of nation-states. It is wiping out, or otherwise removing, the indigenous population of the territory it has conquered. It has been doing this for 75 years. The indigenous population, i.e., the Palestinians, have been trying not to get completely wiped out, or otherwise removed from their indigenous territory, and lashing out at Israel in a variety of ways (i.e., from throwing stones to committing mass murder).

That is what is happening. The rest is PR. Public relations. Propaganda.

If you “stand with” the nation-state of Israel and its ongoing efforts to wipe out and otherwise remove the Palestinians from the territory it controls, I get it. The United States of America did that to its indigenous population. The British Empire did it in its colonies. A lot of nations and empires did it. It is standard nation-state behavior. There is nothing aberrational about it. If you can live with supporting that … OK, go for it, but spare me the sanctimony and the “unprovoked attack” crap.

If you “stand with” the Palestinians in their ongoing efforts to not get wiped out, or otherwise removed from their homeland, I get it. My sympathies are with them too. I’ve never found nation-states particularly sympathetic, especially when they are in their Mercilessly-Wiping-Out-the-Indigenous-Population phase. However, if you believe that “standing with” the Palestinians means celebrating mass murder, and making excuses for it like “settlers are not civilians” … OK, fine, but count me out.

What’s my point? Well, my point is, at times like this, everything conspires to keep everyone from seeing things clearly and thinking critically. Everyone’s selling you a narrative and punching your emotional buttons to force you into joining their side.

Hamas is playing on your basic human decency … your empathy for the Palestinians. Their game is, if you support the Palestinian people, you have to support the Hamas attack and condone the mass murder of unarmed civilians.

Israel is playing on your basic human decency … on your sympathy for the murdered Israelis. Their game is, if you don’t support the mass murder of Palestinian civilians that is now in progress, then you are a “terrorist-sympathizer,” who hates the Jews.

Both of these parties are fucking with your head, as are their assorted propaganda-spewing mouthpieces. They are trying to force you into a position where your only choice is to support mass murder.

You do not have to support mass murder.

I know it’s difficult at times like this, but please try not to let people fuck with your head. Try not to let them punch your buttons. Try not to let them make you react to emotional stimuli like Pavlov’s dog. Take a break from the mass hysteria. Try to see things clearly. Try to understand the goals and tactics of both sides of this conflict, regardless of which side you think you’re on. If you do not know the history of this conflict — the conflict I described above in a nutshell — please take a few minutes and educate yourself. It’s actually not that complicated.

Here’s a fifteen-minute film to get you started.



That’s it, for now. I’m sure I’ll be writing more about this in the coming weeks. As far as I can tell, what we’re about to witness is going to be protracted and extremely ugly. The IDF appears to be preparing to liquidate a sizable portion of Gaza. One assumes Hamas has prepared for this, as that was obviously what their massacre was meant to provoke. Who knows how long the fighting will last, whether it will spread, and what it will lead to?

In the meantime, everything is going by the numbers. The nations of the New Normal Reich are marching in lockstep. This is “Israel’s 9/11.” Democracy is at war with “evil” again! The demonization and criminalization of dissent that was rolled out during the “Covid pandemic” in 2020-2022 has gone into overdrive. Germany, France, and other countries have banned demonstrations expressing support for the Palestinians. Here in Berlin, police are roaming the streets, harassing and arresting Arab-looking kids, and anyone improperly criticizing Israel. Anti-Israel social-media content is being censored and visibility-filtered, while fascist content like this gets a pass:

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Re: Palestine

Postby stickdog99 » Mon Oct 16, 2023 3:13 pm

It's Not The 'Israel-Hamas War', It's The Israel-Gaza Massacre

Stop calling it the “Israel-Hamas war”. It’s the Israel-Gaza massacre. Calling it the Israel-Hamas war creates the false impression that this is a war that is directed exclusively at Hamas when it’s really an ethnic purge that’s directed at all Palestinians in Gaza.

The child body count alone makes it clear that this isn’t a war against Hamas; I saw an anonymous account point out on Twitter that the number of children killed in this onslaught after one week already exceeds the total number of children killed after a year and a half of fighting in Ukraine, per the United Nations.

Laying complete siege to a civilian population and bombing anything that stands would be an extraordinary abomination in any war. And this is not a war, it’s an enclosed shooting range with military explosives and human targets.

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Americans should probably worry about the rapid legitimization of this idea that civilians who have a government that kills people are all legitimate targets.

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Re: Palestine

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sat Oct 21, 2023 10:58 pm

Oren Ben-Alfandari Eden (אורן עדן) Oren Ben-Alfandari Eden (אורן עדן)

Just a PSA - the Palestinian people did not get dropped from a spaceship. They've always been there. Let's go on a journey.

- Human beings have continuously inhabited the region for over 100,000 years.
- The Palestinians represent this continuous inhabitation.
- They are the descendants of many peoples, including the ancient Jews, Canaanites, Philistines, etc.
- After the fall of ancient Israel (if this is a useful point in history for you), some people left and some people stayed, as is the nature of things. The population that stayed was largely Christianized after Roman dominance in the region also became Christianized.

- Then the population was Arabized and Islamized after the expansion of Islam out of Arabia starting in the 7th century. (Note - the Palestinians are "Arab" because they speak a language derived from the Arabic language group. They are not "Arab" because they come from Arabia. If you need an example to help you process, we refer to people in places like Mexico and Argentina and Panama as "Hispanic" not because they are from Spain, but rather because they live in a place that speaks Spanish and inherited a lot of things from Spanish culture, but may or may not have ancestry from Spain.)

- There was flow in and out of the region, and Palestinians are the descendants of this flow. As people moved in, they mixed with the native locals and more native locals were born. Humans just love making babies!
- Despite the narrative that certain groups are pushing, the "land of milk and honey" was never empty. It has had a continuous and unbroken inhabitation of human beings for over 100,000 years.

- Were they always called "Palestinians" - no! They've been called many, many things like Philistines and Israelites and things we've never heard of or could even pronounce. They've been conquered and subjugated over and over from Egyptian empires to Persian empires to Romans and Islamic Caliphate after Islamic Caliphate and Crusade after Crusade, and then used as pawns by European powers for their political games. It hasn't been easy for this resilient people.

So, they have a claim to the land that is inferior to one else's. They belong there. That is their homeland.

#israel #palestine #dei #hamas #istandwithisrael #jewish #arab #muslim

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Russian-Ukrainian Crosspost & The Latest

Postby JackRiddler » Tue Oct 24, 2023 6:09 am

JackRiddler » Mon Oct 23, 2023 5:11 pm wrote:The NAFO boys are no longer crawling in the hundreds on every post about Ukraine, but there's barely any posts about Ukraine any more. The new party line on it seems to be shhh! - be still, for the Americans have yet to put together the new $100 billion quadruple war* spending package (the only thing that will pass the House in the rest of this year, it seems), with 60 bn of that earmarked for the Kiev Arms Laundromat. As for the Crack OSINT brigades, for now they've moved on to explaining in finest forensic bullshitese why Israel didn't bomb the hospital they'd already bombed before and warned they would bomb again. Those other bombs, sure, but not the one that killed 500 in a second and prompted millions into the streets of Europe, the Middle East, Latin America, South Asia, even Washington and Chicago (as would have inevitably happened).

* Ukraine, Israel, Mexico, Taiwan


MEANWHILE

Yonatan Touval (Haaretz) wrote:@Yonatan_Touval
#UPDATE: US official confirms to me that key reason for IDF ground invasion delay is US request to complete preps for broader conflict.

Preps incl deployment of THAAD and Patriot air defense systems in Gulf (poss also Jordan + northern Iraq) and arrival of USS Ike + 2k marines.

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The Journey To Megiddo


YES, APOCALYPSE SCRIPTURE TYPES ARE GOING WILD ONLINE

ALSO,


Nury Vittachi (writer based in Hong Kong editor of Fridayeveryday-dot-com news of Asia without the Western lens) wrote:@NuryVittachi

The United States has despatched a large number of aircraft carriers, destroyers, jet fighters and war submarines to the waters near Gaza. Below is a partial list:

Carrier - USS Gerald R Ford
Carrier - USS Dwight D Eisenhower
Cruiser - USS Normandy
Cruiser - USS Philippine Sea
Destroyer - USS Ramage
Destroyer - USS McFaul
Destroyer - USS Thomas Hudner
Destroyer - USS Laboon
Destroyer - USS Mason
Destroyer - USS Gravely
Command - USS Mount Whitney
Auxiliary - RFA Lyme Bay
Auxiliary - RFA Argus
Assault Ship - USS Bataan
Transport Dock - USS Mesa Verde
Dock Landing Ship - USS Carter Hall
Plus an unknown number of submarines, and of course many jet fighters.
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IS THIS THE PROPHECY?

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Re: Palestine

Postby drstrangelove » Tue Oct 24, 2023 12:22 pm

i can't figure out if the zionist movement is a political agenda of jews, a religious agenda of freemasons to rebuild the temple of solomon, or a long term ploy by elite anglos to hand jews the rope they would eventually hang themselves with.
regarding this last possibility; pushing the whole identity politics agenda has inevitably led to a collective recognition of the most overrepresented identity group within American institutions required to ensure zionist hegemony. if they lose control of these positions, which they must do if this agenda is continued, then suddenly israel is just a country with no natural resources and the worst possible land borders in the entire fucking world, whose foreign policy for the last 70 years was spent abolishing the victims status it adopted from the holocaust.

It's interesting to note that of the nine nuclear nations, Israel is the only one to have never been able to demonstrate a single nuclear test. Which is to say they are the only one which you could say are possibly bluffing.

If the rug was pulled and they didn't actually have nukes, the state of Israel would not be long for this world.
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Re: Palestine

Postby JackRiddler » Tue Oct 24, 2023 1:41 pm

i can't figure out if the zionist movement is a political agenda of jews, a religious agenda of freemasons to rebuild the temple of solomon, or a long term ploy by elite anglos to hand jews the rope they would eventually hang themselves with.


Are these really the options?

The Zionist movement is a settler colonial project originating among Jewish groups in Europe at the height of the 19th century competitive great-power imperialisms. By then the imperialisms of all kinds usually came with a racial Darwinist ideology. Zionism was a movement of European Jews. Not every Jew went for it, but influential ones did and sold it well in Germany and Britain in particular. This was also the time of ever-more Balkanized and militant nationalism, as well as surging and violent anti-Semitism in the modern form, so that the Jews attracted to the project saw it both as getting a nation-state, like every other national group was supposed to get, as well as securing a place of refuge. Given other trends of that time, Zionism was also originally styled as socialist and progressive.

Ideas of a homeland in Uganda or Madagascar were floated but never really serious; only the Holy Land had the requisite historical mythology and the branding to attract the numbers needed. Until WWI, work was done to lobby the Ottoman Empire on behalf of Jewish settlement. The Jewish population in the Palestine territories, the ones who really did go back to antiquity, numbered about 25,000 in the 1880s. Pioneer-settlers began to arrive, some fleeing pogroms, and bought up lands. As the Ottomans fell and the British took over the Palestine Mandate, in 1918 the Jewish population was about 65,000. The Balfour declaration (one of many conflicting promises the motherfucking British made to win the war, which by the way were exposed soon after by Bolshevik counter-diplomacy, a.k.a. Trotskyleaks) and the Mandate set off a much bigger wave of migration from Europe and led to tensions with the indigenous Palestinian population (as the indigenous people of the land who originated historically as described in the wonderful passage quoted above by BS are called today). By 1940, the Jewish population was overwhelmingly new Zionist settlers from Europe and approached half a million, or a third of the overall population of Palestine. Then, the Nazis... (maybe to be continued)

A lot more to say about the next 80 years, but that's Zionism. How conventional of me, how naive to go by an obvious description available in the ample published historical record and as understood by the actors throughout these times. I suppose your first option is descriptive generally, and the third might be conceivable as a Bond-ish movie script "revealing" the secret narrow motivations of a highly particular and demented actor or two. The British Empire backed Zionism for easily understood reasons of imperial management. As for the Temple, there are actual maniacs who want to do this and say so to the world, and I'll leave it to you to figure out if these right-wing movement figures whose leaders are no longer Meir Kahane in a storefront office in New York but hold cabinet posts and high offices in the Israeli government and are inciting and protecting mobs who storm Al-Aqsa might also be lodge members, and whether that's their "true" motivation.
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