"Active Shooter" or Domestic Terrorist You decide

[elfismiles]

Sorry for the inappropriate bit of humor... I was repeating something a friend had jokingly said to me RE the idea of a transgender socialist based upon the misinterpretation of the UAF (UnAFfiliated) voter reg as a reference to the UAF (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Unite_Against_Fascism)

Unite Against Fascism is a British organization whose stated purpose is to call for people to, well, unite against fascism. They are often seen opposing demonstrations by the British National Party and the English Defence League.

It was founded in 2004 as a result of a merger between the Anti-Nazi League and the National Assembly Against Racism.[2] Its joint secretaries are Weyman Bennett and Sabby Dhalu,[3] while Islamic fundamentalist Azad Ali is vice chair.[4] Unite Against Fascism also counts among its brass a number of members of a communist group, the Socialist Workers Party.

...clearly that's not the case.

General Patton wrote:

Oh come on elfismiles, give 'em some more time to double down on their racial and sexual stereotyping. There is seriously no better far right wing propaganda than left wing propaganda right now. You couldn't do better even if you were actively feeding them black propaganda directly. Polarization wins again.

That ain't no joke. I suppose the only comfort I seldom find in this absurdity is the humor of watching people fight for and promote the opposite of what they believe they are fighting for because they got tricked into doing it. Because if I wasn't able to laugh about it every now and then it would make me cry.

[SonicG]

Political speech via falsified govt docs... ? or actual transgender socialist? Wrong voter record?

COURT RECORDS: Colorado Planned Parenthood Shooter NOT Republican, Identifies as Woman
Jim Hoft Nov 28th, 2015 9:22 am
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/11 ... -as-woman/

http://www.coloradovoters.info/by_numbe ... _dear.html

ROBERT LEWIS DEAR, JR.
was born in 1958 and she registered to vote, giving her address as 809 OURAY CT, HARTSEL, PARK COUNTY, COLORADO 80449. Her voting status is: Active. She is unaffiliated.
Voter ID number 601010372

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VOTER_ID: 601010372
COUNTY_CODE: 47
COUNTY: Park
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ADDRESS_NON_STD:
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RESIDENTIAL_CITY: HARTSEL
RESIDENTIAL_STATE: CO
RESIDENTIAL_ZIP_CODE: 80449
RESIDENTIAL_ZIP_PLUS:
EFFECTIVE_DATE: 10/17/2014
REGISTRATION_DATE: 10/17/2014
STATUS: Active
STATUS_REASON:
BIRTH_YEAR: 1958
GENDER: Female
PRECINCT: 5026047007
SPLIT: 007.044
VOTER_STATUS_ID: 1
PARTY: UAF
PARTY_AFFILIATION_DATE: 10/17/2014
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MAILING_ADDRESS_1: PO BOX 101
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MAILING_ADDRESS_3:
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MAILING_STATE: CO
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MAILING_COUNTRY: UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
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STATE_SENATE: STATE SENATE 2
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http://www.coloradovoters.info/by_numbe ... _dear.html

Breitbart BS really?

http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/2 ... ans-woman/
http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/2 ... -activist/

[seemslikeadream]

The right-wing distraction machine has shifted into high gear. Now Republican presidential wannabe Ted Cruz is seizing on the bizarre notion, advanced by fringy right-wing ideologues, that the alleged Planned Parenthood shooter, Robert Lewis Dear, is a trans woman.

[mentalgongfu2]

This comment is perhaps off path from the Fox News ramblings, but I find an interesting corollary in the left's anger at the right refusing to call this killer a "domestic terrorist" with the right's anger at the left refusing to use the term "Islamic terrorist" in other instances.

Words do matter, but seems to me if the main thing we're fighting about is the vocabulary used to describe mass murderers then we're not focusing on the proper thing.

[Luther Blissett]

This comment is perhaps off path from the Fox News ramblings, but I find an interesting corollary in the left's anger at the right refusing to call this killer a "domestic terrorist" with the right's anger at the left refusing to use the term "Islamic terrorist" in other instances.

Words do matter, but seems to me if the main thing we're fighting about is the vocabulary used to describe mass murderers then we're not focusing on the proper thing.

Sort of reminds me of a fight that I had with a conservative once, though. He was yelling, "tell me right here and now you wouldn't want sharia law to be implemented at the state level!" as if he had really finally caught me in a bind. I could only respond, "do you really talk to leftists who like a theocratic structure of laws?" I couldn't believe the fantasies the conservative media had spun. This guy was a reasonable debate partner if he wasn't projecting his beliefs about how I felt onto me. Who doesn't say "Islamic terrorism"?

[seemslikeadream]

This comment is perhaps off path from the Fox News ramblings, but I find an interesting corollary in the left's anger at the right refusing to call this killer a "domestic terrorist" with the right's anger at the left refusing to use the term "Islamic terrorist" in other instances.

Words do matter, but seems to me if the main thing we're fighting about is the vocabulary used to describe mass murderers then we're not focusing on the proper thing.

We're not talking about mass murderers...we're talking about domestic terrorism...big difference

[tapitsbo]

Weird, in Ontario the argument has been on and off for some time that sharia should be implemented at a state level. This was under nominally centrist governments - I'm quite sure that criticism of sharia is something that would take place more in the margins than the mainstream of the left, though.

Your conservative interlocutor wasn't fantasizing, entirely. Leftists may or may not believe in a religion of their own, or want Islamic law for themselves, but I always got the impression criticism of Islam was firmly in the "racism" category among most leftist minds.

Now a really ugly right-wing position would be outrage that BLM aren't considered "terrorists"

[American Dream]

Terror Network or Lone Wolf?

The Internet plays an increasingly central role in the development and communication of beliefs, as well as law enforcement monitoring of potentially violent activity. However, the consequences of posting beliefs that signal the potential for violence varies considerably by religion. Adel Daoud was a socially isolated 17-year-old Muslim boy in suburban Chicago who found refuge online. In 2012, he began to post on message boards and write emails relating to violent jihad, at which point the FBI drew him into planning an attack with an undercover agent. In 2013, the agent drove Daoud to a jeep filled with fake explosives, and he was arrested after he tried to trigger the explosives outside a bar they had agreed to target. He was charged with attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction, and the case is still in court.27

Compare that to the 2010 case of 26-year-old Justin Carl Moose, who described himself as the “Christian counterpart to Osama bin Laden” and posted threats of violence against abortion providers along with information about the use of explosives on his Facebook page. The FBI were tipped off, and Moose pled guilty to distributing information on the manufacture and use of explosives. He was sentenced to 30 months in prison and was released early, despite having demonstrated knowledge of explosives and his alignment with a movement that has an extensive track record of murders and destruction of medical facilities.



Michigan Militia members, bearing guns and a “Don’t Tread on Me” flag, participate in a statewide militia training event called the WOLF Challenge. Image via Photobucket and courtesy of Southeastern Michigan Volunteer Militia

More at: http://www.politicalresearch.org/2015/0 ... lone-wolf/

[seemslikeadream]

I know you have a problem with thread topics ...in case you didn't realize this thread is about the Colorado Planned Parenthood shooting..OK...take your crap elsewhere...like one of your 10 threads

[elfismiles]

AAAAANNNNDDDD repeat:

Sorry for the inappropriate bit of humor... I was repeating something a friend had jokingly said to me RE the idea of a transgender socialist based upon the misinterpretation of the UAF (UnAFfiliated) voter reg as a reference to the UAF (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Unite_Against_Fascism)

SonicG wrote:

Breitbart BS really?

http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/2 ... ans-woman/
http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/2 ... -activist/

[mentalgongfu2]

We're not talking about mass murderers...we're talking about domestic terrorism...big difference

You've illustrated my point quite nicely. Thanx.

[SonicG]

AAAAANNNNDDDD repeat:

Sorry for the inappropriate bit of humor... I was repeating something a friend had jokingly said to me RE the idea of a transgender socialist based upon the misinterpretation of the UAF (UnAFfiliated) voter reg as a reference to the UAF (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Unite_Against_Fascism)

SonicG wrote:

Breitbart BS really?

http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/2 ... ans-woman/
http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/2 ... -activist/

Right sorry. And Patton and Backtoiam took it seriously, right? Just need to be sure who to add to my ignore list...

[backtoiam]

SonicG, I am willing to put damn near anything in the sandbox and let it roll around until it proves itself true or false over a span of time because I have been fooled so many times. And then still, sometimes I am not sure.

[General Patton]

I stand by every word I wrote. Couldn't run black propaganda better.

[stillrobertpaulsen]