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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby slimmouse » Wed Jun 22, 2016 11:22 am

... but I'm just a dumb fucking commie


The control system simply adores it's labels.

I mean, does anyone have any idea what real communism looks like, as opposed to the Oligarchal control type ? Lets not piss around here, the only communism weve ever heard of on a large scale is increasingly looking almost exactly like capitalism .

IOW The few wealthy and privileged control the many. The rest of the populous scramble around trying to make ends meet however they can

Imagine my shock.
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby American Dream » Wed Jun 22, 2016 11:42 am

slimmouse » Wed Jun 22, 2016 10:05 am wrote:AD, A serious question....

Do you not believe that there are many people who believe that Brexit is a good thing, who don't have such an extremely distorted understanding of what most of us accept are true human values?


I know that people support Brexit for all kinds of reasons, based in all sorts of world views. That said, I find the coalition actually backing Brexit to be deeply, deeply troubling...
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby slimmouse » Wed Jun 22, 2016 11:49 am

Me too. But, I think you have a thread here about how fascists are ultimately tools of the state.

Meanwhile, rather like the Clinton/Sanders and Stay/Leave debate, I think you might be skewing the overall understanding of why the average Joe wishes to dissasociate.

JMHO of course.
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby FourthBase » Wed Jun 22, 2016 11:55 am

norton ash » 22 Jun 2016 10:10 wrote:
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FourthBase » Wed Jun 22, 2016 5:25 am wrote:Anyone know if Anonymous Conservative and his Grand Theory of r/K selection and rabbits and amygdala and whatnot count as the Alt-Right? If so, then this has to be one of the most rigorously-intuitively interesting blog entries you'll ever read from the Alt-Right, right?

http://www.anonymousconservative.com/bl ... k-robbery/


Blimey. 4B, that site is diary-wrecking, To Do list mulching fascinating - thank you so much so posting it. :sun:


Here, in light of this work, we have two groups and they are at war. One will reward effort, ability and determination, producing a successful, moral, loyal society, and a more evolved population through the rewarding of industriousness. The other will punish ability, effort, and determination, to reward lack of ability, no effort, and no determination. This will inevitably produce a society of incapable idiots, prone to failure and dependent upon the few producers whom they have enslaved. Once the debate is so couched, we can merely tell observers to feel free to pick a side. Our innately group conflict prone psychologies will take care of the rest.

Third, this work lays out the end game of the r-type psychology, and it’s purpose in nature – and in humans. As an r-type psychology, Liberalism is not some super-intellectual, ultra-compassionate psychology designed to produce a perfect utopia in which no one ever suffers. Indeed quite the opposite. It is a simple, biologically imbued psychology, designed to exploit conditions of free resources by fostering the reproduction of specimens which most aggressively satiate their basest urges, without contributing to the success of their society. Promiscuity, single parenting, early onset of first intercourse, and conflict and risk avoidance through cowardice. This is the society which Liberalism seeks to foster. Worse, it does it not for intellectual reasons, but out of a desire to satiate a simple, base, r-type biological urge.


Yeah, anonymousconservative looks like a real Fountainhead of wisdom. That's admittedly my hot and surface take on 'r/k selection'... but I'm just a dumb fucking commie.


Did I vouch for the guy or something? Is this not the Alt-Right thread, where people post about Alt-Right douchebags? But did you read that entry I linked to? What did you think of that?

No. Not stupid. Just not in control of your brain. A parasitic meme system is.
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby norton ash » Wed Jun 22, 2016 12:05 pm

What, the article about how the cops are corrupt and the rich and powerful are liars? Sure. Then I did a gloss on r/k selection and saw it to be a Randian attack on useless eaters who get in the way of the noble wealth-generators.

As far as the parasitic meme system in control of my brain... while my gearbox may be hopelessly compromised, it ain't the one which appears to be in permanent overdrive.
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby American Dream » Wed Jun 22, 2016 12:25 pm

slimmouse » Wed Jun 22, 2016 10:49 am wrote: I think you might be skewing the overall understanding of why the average Joe wishes to dissasociate..


One could say the same thing about why the average Joe might like Trump. Their desire for a better shake economically would be legit, but the xenophobia, racism and scapegoating not.





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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby FourthBase » Wed Jun 22, 2016 12:30 pm

norton ash » 22 Jun 2016 11:05 wrote:What, the article about how the cops are corrupt and the rich and powerful are liars?


That's all you got from that?
Here, I'll do the whole quote thing.

Good Article On The Walkie Talkie Bank Robbery

Shades of The League of Red Headed Men and Ezekiah Hopkins:

Covered in rubble, the gang later dubbed the “sewer rats” were about to stage one of the most audacious heists in British criminal history.

But as they tunnelled into the vault of the Baker Street branch of Lloyds Bank, they had no idea they were about to spark a secret service cover-up and claims of a royal sex scandal.


Bank Jobs are not that interesting compared to these little tidbits:

Speculation quickly arose that compromising sexual photographs of the Queen’s sister, the late Princess Margaret, had been uncovered in the bank vault. It was rumoured they had been stashed away by well-known underworld figure Michael X. A drug dealer and Black Power leader, he was convicted of murder and hanged in Trinidad in 1975. A government file on him will remain closed until 2054.

First, you are dealing with the Hall of Mirrors. If something embarrassing gets out, it is probably disinformation to hide something devastating. There was a much bigger scandal here, as we see later in the article.

The Mirror can for the first time reveal that Fleet Street editors of the day were approached directly by senior government officials and told to drop the story.

The four men caught, charged and convicted of the raid went to jail without ever having their names mentioned in the press, and to this day their identities and the circumstances of their capture remain secret. Even the lengths of their sentences are still shrouded in mystery.


There is a scene at the end of the movie, Three Days Of The Condor, where the hero smiles when faced with a CIA agent who plans to kill him to keep a CIA secret, smiles. The hero then says he has already told all. With that, he motions over his shoulder to that bastion of justice, the New York Times, which now has the story, and will reveal it to the world, thus protecting the hero’s life. Defeated, the CIA agent visibly deflates, turns, and walks away defeated.

It doesn’t work like that. The shadowy state security organiztions have had all the positions of influence in the media under control for a long time. These are agencies routinely doing things which would get them sent to prison for decades. They are not about to leave a non-governmental branch of society out there, operating freely, with the power to take them down.

For a long time, they have had every decision maker and power player, from media to Law Enforcement under surveillance. I’ll bet Sheriff David Clarke’s car has been tossed two or three times at least, during covert tech installs, and he would never believe it if you told him. If he is incorruptible, my assumption would be that he is on the list to be set up and dealt with, at some point.

Those who were corrupted at the top were used so that those who were corrupted below rose in the ranks, and helped along everyone else corruptible. Yes, there was an official government notice in this case sealing discussion of it, but have no doubt, the media wanted to talk about it. The police wanted to investigate it. The reason they didn’t was because they were under controls which went far beyond some puny government notice.

I have no doubt every major news anchor is either knowingly owned, or they will find out they are owned if something big comes up.

Now, one of the men, in his 70s, has spoken to the Mirror from his home in Europe. The ex-gang member said he was terrified to discover one box belonged to the-then head of the judiciary.

He said: “It was owned by Quintin Hogg, the Lord Chancellor.

When we opened it we dropped it on the floor like it was a time bomb. We didn’t want to take anything that might give us extra trouble so we left it…

We didn’t want to take anything that might give us extra trouble so we left it. All we wanted was cash and jewels.”

But the gang didn’t have time to go through all of the stash and ended up taking some sensitive material…

And what was most disturbing was the child pornography we found.

We were disgusted and left it in their open boxes so police could trace the owners.”

And there it is. The most interesting thing about this bank job was how many people claimed to not have had anything in their safe deposit boxes. This was taken over and covered up because it was an intel grab. The royal with dirty photos was just the cover.

Rich and powerful people, even up to the Lord Chancellor, with safe deposit boxes filled with child porn and other things they could never admit to, even for insurance purposes, and not a one was charged. Since then, Jimmy Saville’s pedophile network came to light, and even so, most acknowledge that barely a smidgen of the British pedophile crisis has been unearthed. Time goes on and government just waits for the people to forget.

Why? Why would government agents turn a blind eye to such monstrosity? It is simple. There is nobody who is more controllable than a pedophile. A pedophile is the definition of immorality. He hurts children, just for fun. What do you think he will do to avoid being thrown in prison, with the general population, for the rest of his life? A pedophile in a position of power might as well be a robot that only you have the remote control for. They are the single most controllable personality type. Own Jimmy Saville, and you own every media pedophile he has recruited into his pedophile network. The worse you are, the more you will be enabled, because the better the control you will offer – and the higher your star will rise.

Did you think it was just chance that there were so many pedophiles in the uppermost echelons of British society? They just happened to all be there en masse, enabling each other?

Each of those pedophiles with the kiddie-porn in their safe deposit box got a visit from MI5, and they were told how it would be. They were owned, so and so was now their handler, and they would do what they were told. They would always be monitored, never tell anyone, etc, etc, and everything would be alright. They would even see their career paths accelerate, as the other parts of the network moved them into positions of power and influence. Suddenly all the power players were pedophiles, reporting to God only knows who.

Then the story was let out that some royal wench had a nude picture in there, and that was why there was all the interest from intel. I don’t believe it for a minute.

The entire machine today is networks of corrupted people, elevated to positions of power and authority, and protected so they will do what they are told, when the time comes. I have a feeling if we knew the full scope, we would be blown away.

Never think things are as you were taught. They most certainly are not.


This is the article he quotes from:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ba ... yal-293740
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby Luther Blissett » Wed Jun 22, 2016 4:54 pm

Little anecdotal story that a younger anarchist in her 20s living in Trump country out in the midwestern U.S. that I know tells me she is having trouble finding men to date that are not fans of Yiannopoulos. I was shocked - I think he and his ilk are a serious problem but there's no way I would have thought it was widespread in any given sample. I guess it could be a statistical fluke.
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Wed Jun 22, 2016 5:00 pm

Luther Blissett » Wed Jun 22, 2016 3:54 pm wrote:Little anecdotal story that a younger anarchist in her 20s living in Trump country out in the midwestern U.S. that I know tells me she is having trouble finding men to date that are not fans of Yiannopoulos. I was shocked - I think he and his ilk are a serious problem but there's no way I would have thought it was widespread in any given sample. I guess it could be a statistical fluke.


Has she tried approaching heterosexual men instead?
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby Jerky » Thu Jun 23, 2016 2:13 am

I never cease to be amazed by what otherwise intelligent people will sometimes believe. Especially if it flatters them. R/k is an excellent case in point.

R/k is frigging retarded. On its face. 

First of all, it's not even a theory. It's a postulate, and a ridiculous one at that.

"At last! A scientific theory that PROVES that me, and other people like me, are rules-following, rugged individualistic Warrior Wolves, and that my ideological opponents are all cheating little cowering fuck-besotted field mice! What an astonishingly awesome SCIENTIFIC BREAKTHROUGH! And it's all thanks to that incredible scientific genius... Anonymous Conservative!"

Furthermore, having gone to his site and read a few more of his pages, I'm now convinced that "Anonymous Conservative" is actually a satirical double-agent, playing conservatives for fools, all for the purpose of pulling the rug out from under them at some near future point. His hand-rubbing, comic book, 80's teen movie "preppy bad guy" rhetoric is just so over the top, he can't possibly be serious about this "theory" of his.

Ironically, r/K IS interesting... as evolutionary theory, NOT as anthropology. Trying to make rabbits and wolves out of human beings falls apart the second you start looking at it critically.

This habit that right-wingers and conservative movementarians have - this scouring of the web in search of "theories" that confirm their pre-determined worldviews and stroke their fragile egos - it's pathetic, but I suppose it's here to stay.

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FourthBase » 22 Jun 2016 05:25 wrote:Anyone know if Anonymous Conservative and his Grand Theory of r/K selection and rabbits and amygdala and whatnot count as the Alt-Right? If so, then this has to be one of the most rigorously-intuitively interesting blog entries you'll ever read from the Alt-Right, right?

http://www.anonymousconservative.com/bl ... k-robbery/
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby Jerky » Thu Jun 23, 2016 2:15 am

:rofl2 :rofl2 :rofl2

Wombaticus Rex » 22 Jun 2016 21:00 wrote:
Luther Blissett » Wed Jun 22, 2016 3:54 pm wrote:Little anecdotal story that a younger anarchist in her 20s living in Trump country out in the midwestern U.S. that I know tells me she is having trouble finding men to date that are not fans of Yiannopoulos. I was shocked - I think he and his ilk are a serious problem but there's no way I would have thought it was widespread in any given sample. I guess it could be a statistical fluke.


Has she tried approaching heterosexual men instead?
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby American Dream » Sat Jun 25, 2016 8:05 am

On Twitter, Breitbart writer, Trump fanboy, and alt-right spokesman Milo Yiannopoulos wrote:

“NO MORE ISLAM”; “This isn’t terrorism. It isn’t Islamism. It isn’t extremism. This is Islam.”; and, “How many more innocent people have to die before we realise the only answer is to deport them all?”

Like his hero Donald Trump (or as he calls him, “daddy”), Yiannopoulos seems determined to be as inflammatory, bigoted, and obtuse as possible. The writer has no time for nuance, and his scapegoating of all 1.6 billion of the world’s Muslims for the action of one deranged extremist is exactly what the Jihadists across the globe want.

But Yiannopoulos is only a minor figure when compared to Trump, who has made similarly provocative statements since the shooting, accepting congratulations for “being right on radical Islamic terrorism,” and declaring the “he called it and asked for the ban” — even though Mateen was an American citizen born in New York. The Republican presidential candidate also said that there is “something going on” with President Obama, implying that he might be a closet-Muslim — because of his brown skin and and foreign-sounding name, of course — and that he might sympathize with extremists, a conspiracy theory that seems laughable to anyone who follows the Obama administration’s hawkish practices, such as the drone program, which has killed many innocent Muslims (one should not expect Trump or his legions to pay attention these details).

Even after a year of listening to Trump’s hateful and mind-numbingly stupid rhetoric, it’s still hard to believe he managed to get his party’s nomination, and his success has very frightening implications for the future of America and the world — especially if he wins in November. And with each tragic terrorist attack and each subsequent response from Trump and his reactionary followers like Yiannopoulos, the demagogue gets closer to the White House and what the Islamic State has termed “the greyzone” begins to erode.


The Islamic State and other Islamic fundamentalists long for a clash of civilizations, and Trump and European fascists — like Greece’s neo-Nazi Golden Dawn party — seem eager to give it to them. Unwittingly or not, they are playing right into the hands of the fanatics.

For ISIS, the goal is to generate widespread anti-Muslim persecution in the West and provoke western countries into further invading and attacking the Muslim world, in order to undermine and destroy the “greyzone,” where Muslims and westerners coexist peacefully.

“The grayzone is critically endangered, rather on the brink of extinction,” wrote ISIS in its English-language magazine Dabiq, shortly after the 2015 Charlie Hebdo attacks in Paris. “Its endangerment began with the blessed operations of September 11th, as these operations manifested two camps before the world for mankind to choose between, a camp of Islam – without the body of Khilāfah [a caliphate] to represent it at the time – and a camp of kufr [unbelief] – the crusader coalition.”

The article continues: “The Muslims in the West will quickly find themselves between one of two choices, they either apostatize and adopt the kufrī [infidel] religion propagated by Bush, Obama, Blair, Cameron, Sarkozy, and Hollande in the name of Islam so as to live amongst the kuffār [infidels] without hardship, or they perform hijrah [emigrate] to the Islamic State and thereby escape persecution from the crusader governments and citizens… Muslims in the crusader countries will find themselves driven to abandon their homes for a place to live in the Khilāfah, as the crusaders increase persecution against Muslims living in Western lands so as to force them into a tolerable sect of apostasy in the name of ‘Islam’ before forcing them into blatant Christianity and democracy.”

Trump and his supporters equally want to destroy the greyzone. As Yiannopoulos very clearly articulated on Twitter, he believes the religion of Islam — not the political doctrine of Islamism or Jihadism, but the second largest religion in the world — is inherently violent and that all Muslims must be rounded up and deported (next it will presumably be concentration camps). Trump has not advocated deporting Muslims already in America, but his plan to ban Muslims from entering the country is certainly a big step towards cracking down on the civil liberties of the entire religious group.


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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby American Dream » Wed Jun 29, 2016 12:56 pm

The news media has framed the latest massacre in Orlando as the largest mass murder in US history. Some members of the media with a measure of intellectual integrity will add that the Orlando Massacre is the largest "post 911." Regardless, human beings lost their lives and communities are in mourning. However, historical records remind us that the murders in Orlando, unfortunately, do not constitute the largest domestic mass murders. This narrative proposed by corporate media is in search of a public willing to digest a sanitized and less-than thoughtful version of history that conforms with the simplistic but dangerous notion of American exceptionalism. The truth is much less flattering. As we mourn the loss of young life in Florida, let us also mourn the massacre of thousands of young unarmed African men and women who lose their lives almost daily at the hands of police and entire Black communities struggling to escape the violence of white supremacy.

We must not forget the East St. Louis Massacres of 1917 described as the worst race and labor violence in the 20th century with casualties ranging between 40 and 200 deaths.

In the spring of 1917, Blacks escaping from the terror of the South were arriving in St. Louis at the rate of 2,000 per week. White union workers were determined to stop Blacks from competing for job in the trades by refusing to allow Africans membership in trade unions. White corporate leaders, taking advantage of cheap and competitive labor viewed Africans as scab workers to stabilize and maintain low wages for whites. These two reactionary views of Black labor from the perspective of the white working class and white corporate interests formed the perfect storm that ignited the conditions that led to scores of Black deaths in the East St. Louis Massacre.

Following a meeting on May 28th in which rumors spread that Blacks and whites were fraternizing, 3,000 white men marched into East St. Louis and attacked Black men and women. In a separate incident, white vigilantes burned entire sections of the city and shot inhabitants as they escaped the fire. In William Heaps 1970 book Target of Prejudice: The Negro, In Riot, USA 1765-1970, he notes: "Members of the white community claimed that Southern Negros deserved a genuine lynching" and a number of African-Americans were lynched during the white terror attacks.

There was also the 1921 Tulsa, Oklahoma massacre in which whites attacked one of the wealthiest African communities in the US. These vilgilantes over the course of 16 hours burned private property, including a Black hospital, and injured over 800 people. Instead of police arresting white rioters they detained and arrested over 6,000 black residents. 10,000 Africans were left homeless and 35 city blocks destroyed by fire. Officials reported that 39 Blacks were murdered but other estimates report between 55 to 300 people murdered.

All massacres are horrific, from Orlando, East St. Louis, My Lai, Vietnam, Wounded Knee to Oklahoma. The latest massacre, however 'could' provide an opportunity to understand the nexus between US foreign policy adventures that plunder and violate countries in search of natural resources and US domestic racist actions that trigger staggering incidence of murder and violence on a scale nearly unfathomable outside America.


http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/3 ... -massacres





American Dream » Sat Jun 25, 2016 7:05 am wrote:
On Twitter, Breitbart writer, Trump fanboy, and alt-right spokesman Milo Yiannopoulos wrote:

“NO MORE ISLAM”; “This isn’t terrorism. It isn’t Islamism. It isn’t extremism. This is Islam.”; and, “How many more innocent people have to die before we realise the only answer is to deport them all?”

Like his hero Donald Trump (or as he calls him, “daddy”), Yiannopoulos seems determined to be as inflammatory, bigoted, and obtuse as possible. The writer has no time for nuance, and his scapegoating of all 1.6 billion of the world’s Muslims for the action of one deranged extremist is exactly what the Jihadists across the globe want.

But Yiannopoulos is only a minor figure when compared to Trump, who has made similarly provocative statements since the shooting, accepting congratulations for “being right on radical Islamic terrorism,” and declaring the “he called it and asked for the ban” — even though Mateen was an American citizen born in New York. The Republican presidential candidate also said that there is “something going on” with President Obama, implying that he might be a closet-Muslim — because of his brown skin and and foreign-sounding name, of course — and that he might sympathize with extremists, a conspiracy theory that seems laughable to anyone who follows the Obama administration’s hawkish practices, such as the drone program, which has killed many innocent Muslims (one should not expect Trump or his legions to pay attention these details).

Even after a year of listening to Trump’s hateful and mind-numbingly stupid rhetoric, it’s still hard to believe he managed to get his party’s nomination, and his success has very frightening implications for the future of America and the world — especially if he wins in November. And with each tragic terrorist attack and each subsequent response from Trump and his reactionary followers like Yiannopoulos, the demagogue gets closer to the White House and what the Islamic State has termed “the greyzone” begins to erode.


The Islamic State and other Islamic fundamentalists long for a clash of civilizations, and Trump and European fascists — like Greece’s neo-Nazi Golden Dawn party — seem eager to give it to them. Unwittingly or not, they are playing right into the hands of the fanatics.

For ISIS, the goal is to generate widespread anti-Muslim persecution in the West and provoke western countries into further invading and attacking the Muslim world, in order to undermine and destroy the “greyzone,” where Muslims and westerners coexist peacefully.

“The grayzone is critically endangered, rather on the brink of extinction,” wrote ISIS in its English-language magazine Dabiq, shortly after the 2015 Charlie Hebdo attacks in Paris. “Its endangerment began with the blessed operations of September 11th, as these operations manifested two camps before the world for mankind to choose between, a camp of Islam – without the body of Khilāfah [a caliphate] to represent it at the time – and a camp of kufr [unbelief] – the crusader coalition.”

The article continues: “The Muslims in the West will quickly find themselves between one of two choices, they either apostatize and adopt the kufrī [infidel] religion propagated by Bush, Obama, Blair, Cameron, Sarkozy, and Hollande in the name of Islam so as to live amongst the kuffār [infidels] without hardship, or they perform hijrah [emigrate] to the Islamic State and thereby escape persecution from the crusader governments and citizens… Muslims in the crusader countries will find themselves driven to abandon their homes for a place to live in the Khilāfah, as the crusaders increase persecution against Muslims living in Western lands so as to force them into a tolerable sect of apostasy in the name of ‘Islam’ before forcing them into blatant Christianity and democracy.”

Trump and his supporters equally want to destroy the greyzone. As Yiannopoulos very clearly articulated on Twitter, he believes the religion of Islam — not the political doctrine of Islamism or Jihadism, but the second largest religion in the world — is inherently violent and that all Muslims must be rounded up and deported (next it will presumably be concentration camps). Trump has not advocated deporting Muslims already in America, but his plan to ban Muslims from entering the country is certainly a big step towards cracking down on the civil liberties of the entire religious group.


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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby slimmouse » Wed Jun 29, 2016 1:10 pm

I was listening to a James Corbett podcast recently where he outlined how so many of these deranged racists fully understand that 9/11 was a corporate job, and yet continue to speak in illogically racist tones.

Since this a discussion board I was hoping to ask you AD exactly why you believe people reach such unfathomable opinions and conclusions.


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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby American Dream » Wed Jun 29, 2016 1:30 pm

I don't claim to fully understand the mindset of any and/or all far right racist/fascist types but I suspect the explanation should include Affect Theory, including the appeal of having folks to look down on and hate, reasons to be violent and mean, a sense of in-group and out-group, cults of masculinity (often with sublimated homoeroticism), the security of totalizing scripts that explain the world, the need for "meaning" and/or belonging, a desire to be transgressive or have a unique identity and lots and lots of childhood trauma and abuse, as componded by poor critical thinking skills and vulnerability to cults, et cetera et cetera .
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